Some don't see gay rights as civil rights

[Legend]

Why is it african americans's don't look at gay rights being the same as civil rights,the reason i ask this is because i recently watched an interview the person said most blacks feel being gay is a choice and their skin color isn't,he also thats the reason african americans's forgave isaiah washington so quick and rewarded him with a naacp award. Truly that can't be shared by most african americans,a struggle is a struggle correct?

[flabbybody]

maybe cause a gay person can choose to stay in the closet to avoid discrimination, an option not available to a person of color.

Give gays rights and you have to give pedophiles rights, too. They were born that way they say.

[Kriss]

Give gays rights and you have to give pedophiles rights, too. They were born that way they say.
:roll: Give him enough rope.....

[GroobySteven]

Give gays rights and you have to give pedophiles rights, too. They were born that way they say.


Hmmm one is criminal and the other isn't (any longer)?
Funny enough when being gay was a crime, you could marry a 13 yr old - guess nothing much has changed in some hilbillys minds?

seanchai

[Fox]

Ironic that some blacks would say that given there's so many black men on the down low. I think it mostly has to do with education, in the sense that we've learned about things like the Civil Rights Movement through either living through it or in school, but gay rights isn't taught to anyone. If people can be educated on the subject, they'll be able to form a more well-rounded opinion.

Of course, this is with anyone.

Give gays rights and you have to give pedophiles rights, too. They were born that way they say.


Hmmm one is criminal and the other isn't (any longer)?
Funny enough when being gay was a crime, you could marry a 13 yr old - guess nothing much has changed in some hilbillys minds?

seanchai


70 years ago, gays were as ostracized as pedophiles are today.

Just like pedophilia today, homosexuality was in the APA books as a mental disorder.

Just like pedophiles today, homosexuals lobbied for their "rights"

The APA will cave and declassify pedophilia as a mental disorder. Not because it isn't, but because of political pressure. This is how homosexuality was removed from the DSM, not through facts but through political pressure.

Don't rely on the law to protect society when dealing with radical leftist organizations like the Gay Liberation Front. Just like San Francisco in 1973, groups like NAMBLA will adopt the same protest-storming tactics that the GLF used to get homosexuality declassified.

[SkyTwo]

Can't give a definitive answer, although my impression is that the black community is generally less culturally accepting of homosexuality for whatever reason (witness the infamous rant by a preacher sermonizing-- rather graphically-- about lesbian sex a year or so ago). That's just judging from political debates. I'll leave the psych 101 to those so inclined.

And I'll ignore the pedophile bit. Comparing consenting adults to abusing kids is sick stuff. Wait. Now I haven't ignored it. My first post, and I blew it. Damn.

SkyTwo[/quote]

[Legend]

Ironic that some blacks would say that given there's so many black men on the down low. I think it mostly has to do with education, in the sense that we've learned about things like the Civil Rights Movement through either living through it or in school, but gay rights isn't taught to anyone. If people can be educated on the subject, they'll be able to form a more well-rounded opinion.

Of course, this is with anyone.

So its mainly them being uneducated on homosexuality i think i get what your saying.

[apocarm]

What Gay rights specifically are you talking about? Is it the right to wed, and similar tax incentives? lol

Other than that am I hearing Gay people can't ride on the front of the bus now?

[Fox]

Ironic that some blacks would say that given there's so many black men on the down low. I think it mostly has to do with education, in the sense that we've learned about things like the Civil Rights Movement through either living through it or in school, but gay rights isn't taught to anyone. If people can be educated on the subject, they'll be able to form a more well-rounded opinion.

Of course, this is with anyone.

So its mainly them being uneducated on homosexuality i think i get what your saying.

Hm, thinking about it, I take back what I said (to a degree), it probably wouldn't make all that much a difference. It actually probably won't be until the next generation or two that we'll see significant leaps. Ok, so not education. Religion would be the only other reason I can think of (and the most significant). But still, I guess that doesn't answer the original question. I don't know what to tell ya. >.>

[olite71]

"Pedophilia" per se is not a crime. The crime is when the pedophile solicits, or assaults a minor or who purchases pornographic materials involving the exploitation of minors.

No one gets arrested for merely being (or saying) they are are attracted to minors without acting on it.

And this makes sense. Causing physical and surely mental trauma to a minor is something that should be a crime.

Is there a more of a stigma to saying you are a pedophile? Of course there is, because to act out that pathology is to commit a crime. To act out the pathology of being gay (i.e. sex with a consenting adult of the same sex) is not.

Consequently, the analogy is weak.

[ezed]

Why is it african americans's don't look at gay rights being the same as civil rights,the reason i ask this is because i recently watched an interview the person said most blacks feel being gay is a choice and their skin color isn't,he also thats the reason african americans's forgave isaiah washington so quick and rewarded him with a naacp award. Truly that can't be shared by most african americans,a struggle is a struggle correct?

Probably, because the african americans to which you refer aren't gay. People focus on their own cause. One cause at a time. Don't read too much into it. It's human nature.

[francisfkudrow]

I fail to understand how someone can be on this board and be against gay rights.

[Felicia Katt]

AMERICAN PSYCHIATRIC ASSOCIATION STATEMENT DIAGNOSTIC CRITERIA FOR PEDOPHILIA
June 17, 2003 Arlington, Va.

-- Pedophilia, included in the American Psychiatric Association Diagnostic andStatistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) since 1968, continues to be classified as a mental disorder. The DSM is the standard classification of mental disorders used by mental healthprofessionals and provides clear, objective descriptions of mental illnesses, based upon scientific research. Pedophilia is categorized in the DSM-IV-TR as one of several paraphilic mental disorders. The essential features of a Paraphilia are recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors that generally involve nonhuman subjects, children, or other non-consenting adults, or the suffering or humiliation of oneself or one’s partner. An adult who engages in sexual activity with a child is performing a criminal and immoral act and this is never considered normal or socially acceptable behavior. Darrel A. Regier, M.D.,M.P.H., Director, American Psychiatric Association’s Division of Research states, “there are no plans or processes set up that would lead to the removal of the Paraphilias from their consideration as legitimate mental disorders.

Comparing Homosexuality to Pedophilia is like comparing sex to rape. There is no comparison.

FK

[tsmandy]

I think the question could equally be posed to members of the (white) gay community as to why they don't feel it necessary to challenge racist violence and inequality? (I don't want to imply that the "gay" community is a white community, just that the white gay community tends to ignore racist policies and practices while decrying homophobic laws)

Seems like the more relevant question to this board is why so much homophobic bullshit is being espoused on hung angels?

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Why is it african americans's don't look at gay rights being the same as civil rights,the reason i ask this is because i recently watched an interview the person said most blacks feel being gay is a choice and their skin color isn't,he also thats the reason african americans's forgave isaiah washington so quick and rewarded him with a naacp award. Truly that can't be shared by most african americans,a struggle is a struggle correct?

I think that's IGNORANT! :evil: :wink:

~Kisses.

HTG