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White_Male_Canada
03-06-2007, 07:47 PM
(AP) - Former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby was convicted Tuesday of obstruction, perjury and lying to the FBI in an investigation into the leak of a CIA operative's identity.

Libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, was accused of lying and obstructing the investigation into the 2003 leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity to reporters.

He was acquitted of one count of lying to the FBI.

Libby had little reaction to the verdict. He stood expressionless as the jury left the room.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070306/D8NMQ9980.html

qeuqheeg222
03-06-2007, 08:02 PM
all of them from fema,rumsfeld,ashcroft on down to lil ol ira lewis libby takin the heat for dick cheney.you know i loved how dick cheney had to be present at the 9/11 commision hearings when bush had to testify....

White_Male_Canada
03-06-2007, 08:13 PM
lil ol ira lewis libby takin the heat for dick cheney...

It was Colin Powell`s boy Armitage who mentioned Plame`s name first. And Plame was not covert and was well known in Washington AND was listed in Who`sWho back in the 90`s.

North_of_60
03-06-2007, 09:20 PM
Still, Scooter took the hit...

A spokesman for the jury told reporters immediately afterward that many felt sympathy for Libby and believed he was only the "fall guy."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003554231

chefmike
03-06-2007, 10:49 PM
A little damage control, WMC?


And it wasn't just cheney's lackey libby convicted...the whole gang of neocon crooks and liars in the whitehouse were convicted today....

Time to suck it up again, busheviks... :P

chefmike
03-06-2007, 10:51 PM
all of them from fema,rumsfeld,ashcroft on down to lil ol ira lewis libby takin the heat for dick cheney.you know i loved how dick cheney had to be present at the 9/11 commision hearings when bush had to testify....

He had to hold his monkey's hand...

White_Male_Canada
03-06-2007, 10:56 PM
Still, Scooter took the hit...

A spokesman for the jury told reporters immediately afterward that many felt sympathy for Libby and believed he was only the "fall guy."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003554231

Those quotes mean the jury was misinformed. The trial had nothing whatsoever to do with Plame or Wilson,so said the presiding Judge. Now if the jury thought otherwise and if they delibertated based on Plame/Wilson there will be a re-trial.

In regards to Plame, she was not covert, her name was listed in the Who`sWho back in the 90`s. She mentioned her husbands name and he went to Niger. The Senate committee stated he lied and Saddam was looking for yellowcake. The fact the record was straightened to expose Wilson as a liar is no crime. When has the truth become the lie and a crime.

Now you can try but you`ll only get your chops busted. We`ve been through this before at HA,plenty of threads about Wilson the liar.

chefmike
03-06-2007, 11:22 PM
BWAAAAHAAAHAAHAA!!!

chefmike
03-06-2007, 11:25 PM
Still, Scooter took the hit...

A spokesman for the jury told reporters immediately afterward that many felt sympathy for Libby and believed he was only the "fall guy."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003554231

Those quotes mean the jury was misinformed. The trial had nothing whatsoever to do with Plame or Wilson,so said the presiding Judge. Now if the jury thought otherwise and if they delibertated based on Plame/Wilson there will be a re-trial.

In regards to Plame, she was not covert, her name was listed in the Who`sWho back in the 90`s. She mentioned her husbands name and he went to Niger. The Senate committee stated he lied and Saddam was looking for yellowcake. The fact the record was straightened to expose Wilson as a liar is no crime. When has the truth become the lie and a crime.

Now you can try but you`ll only get your chops busted. We`ve been through this before at HA,plenty of threads about Wilson the liar.

BWAAAAHAAAHAAHAA!!!

stillies77
03-07-2007, 09:21 AM
CHENEY...you're next nigga!!

03-07-2007, 09:35 AM
CHENEY...you're next nigga!!

LOL! You've been saying that for 4 years now.

qeuqheeg222
03-07-2007, 10:15 AM
yeah white male canada why does he only go by I.lewis libby..why doesnt he use his first name when amongst the good ol boys club..but dont let cheney at the gun locker at the club!!!

White_Male_Canada
03-07-2007, 07:40 PM
yeah white male canada why does he only go by I.lewis libby..why doesnt he use his first name when amongst the good ol boys club..but dont let cheney at the gun locker at the club!!!

You leftists really must stop foaming at the mouth. Stop, think.

You`re (the left) are now saying what did Cheney know, did he get Scooter to talk to the press,etc. The problem with your conspiracy is that Plame was not covert, no laws were broken concerning the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. Victoria Toensing, who actually negotiated the terms of that legislation has stated as much,"The law prohibiting disclosure of a covert agent's identity requires that the person have a foreign assignment at the time or have had one within five years of the disclosure, that the government be taking affirmative steps to conceal the government relationship, and for the discloser to have actual knowledge of the covert status.Plame was not covert. She worked at CIA headquarters and had not been stationed abroad within five years of the date of Novak's column."

If that particular law was violated then Fitzgerald would have had no choice but to charge R. Armitage. Fitz knew from the beginning it was Armitage and also knew the identities act was not violated.

And in closing, your glee at seeing Scooter being convicted should be tempered because Libby was the lawyer for millionaire financier Marc Rich, whom President Bill Clinton pardoned shortly before leaving office.

North_of_60
03-07-2007, 09:09 PM
Yeah, right... :roll:

Scooter was found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice. He was obstructing an investigation that dealt with issues of National Security. In the run-up to the Iraq war, professional standards, even within the military and intelligence agencies, were subordinated to political goals. You got your stupid war, now the Bushies will have to deal with the consequences.

White_Male_Canada
03-07-2007, 09:17 PM
Yeah, right... :roll:

Scooter was found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice. He was obstructing an investigation that dealt with issues of National Security. In the run-up to the Iraq war, professional standards, even within the military and intelligence agencies, were subordinated to political goals. You got your stupid war, now the Bushies will have to deal with the consequences.

Damn you leftists are dumb. Exactly what don`t you understand about:

Intelligence Identities Protection Act. Victoria Toensing, who actually negotiated the terms of that legislation has stated as much,"The law prohibiting disclosure of a covert agent's identity requires that the person have a foreign assignment at the time or have had one within five years of the disclosure, that the government be taking affirmative steps to conceal the government relationship, and for the discloser to have actual knowledge of the covert status.Plame was not covert. She worked at CIA headquarters and had not been stationed abroad within five years of the date of Novak's column."

And what don`t you get about the fact Plame was NOT covert, she got her husband Wilson a job which produced LIES.
It is not against the law to expose liars:

In 2003-04, the Senate Intelligence Committee spent considerable time investigating why the CIA got the intelligence wrong on Iraq. As part of that mandate, staffers delved into the Niger mission.

First, it reported that, despite Mr. Wilson's denials, he did get the Niger assignment because of his wife. When her unit, the Counterproliferation Division, got word that Mr. Cheney wanted the yellowcake report investigated, Mrs. Plame recommended him to her boss, and she put it in writing.

The Senate investigators reported that Mr. Wilson did, in fact, find evidence that an Iraqi overture to buy yellowcake may have occurred. To Republicans, this meant Mr. Wilson's op-ed in the New York Times -- the essay that triggered the whole affair -- was inaccurate, just as Mr. Libby contended to Mrs. Miller that it was.

In an addendum to the bipartisan report, Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts, Kansas Republican, wrote that "public comments from the former ambassador, such as comments that his report 'debunked' the Niger-Iraq uranium story, were incorrect and have led to a distortion in the press and in the public's understanding of the facts surrounding the Niger-Iraq uranium story. The committee found that, for most analysts, the former ambassador's report lent more credibility, not less, to the reported Niger-Iraq uranium deal."

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=16450

WITH the disclosure that former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage was the initial source for Robert Novak's July 2003 column that outed CIA operative Valerie Wilson -- also known as Valerie Plame, wife of former ambassador and Iraq-war critic Joseph Wilson -- it is now clear that all the hype about a Bush-inspired vendetta against the Wilsons is bunk.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/08/31/EDG0SJ7NHV1.DTL

North_of_60
03-07-2007, 09:35 PM
I must say WMC, you make great efforts providing us with your republican horseshit...

"(...) Plame had indeed done "covert work overseas" on counterproliferation matters in the past five years, and the CIA "was making specific efforts to conceal" her identity (...)"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11179719/site/newsweek/

chefmike
03-07-2007, 09:40 PM
GUILTY!!

White_Male_Canada
03-07-2007, 09:50 PM
I must say WMC, you make great efforts providing us with your republican horseshit...

"(...) Plame had indeed done "covert work overseas" on counterproliferation matters in the past five years, and the CIA "was making specific efforts to conceal" her identity (...)"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11179719/site/newsweek/

You`re a pathetic simpleton for the reason that Newsweek refered to a February 15, 2005 opinion by Judge David Tatel which was based on his analysis of a 2004 affidavit submitted to the court by Fitzgerald.

Tatel stated:

"As to the leaks' harmfulness, although the record omits specifics about Plame's work, it appears to confirm, as alleged in the public record and reported in the press, that she worked for the CIA in some unusual capacity relating to counterproliferation..."

Omissions, appears, alleged !? Now there`s an unequivocal statement if I`ve ever heard one. :wink:

Fitz`s footnote;

If Libby knowingly disclosed information about Plame's status with the CIA, Libby would appear to have violated Title 18, United States Code, Section 793 [the Espionage Act] if the information is considered "information respecting the national defense." In order to establish a violation of Title 50, United States Code, Section 421 [the Intelligence Identities Protection Act], it would be necessary to establish that Libby knew or believed that Plame was a person whose identity the CIA was making specific efforts to conceal and who had carried out covert work overseas within the last 5 years. To date, we have no direct evidence that Libby knew or believed that Wilson's wife was engaged in covert work.


Fitz was simply reciting the requirements for prosecution under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

Why?

Because Scooter`s lawyers demanded Fitz prove she was covert. Fitz replied:

"We have neither sought, much less obtained, 'all documents, regardless of when created, relating to whether Valerie Wilson's status as a CIA employee, or any aspect of that status, was classified at any time between May 6, 2003 and July 14, 2003,'"

And for the last time. If she was covert then Richard Armitage was the man who leaked her name. Ftiz knew Armitage was the leaker and knew she was not covert. Therefore, NO ONE WAS CHARGED.

North_of_60
03-07-2007, 10:20 PM
I want you to read this editorial carefully, and stop with your repugs bullshit.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030602020.html

Ouch ! Be humble, you're a loser.

And, of course you remember Collin Powell's briefing before the UN Security Council where he attached his personnal credibility to claims of Iraki WMD ?

I'm still laughing my guts out.

Collin must have much empathy for Scooter these days.

Cause it was only...

chefmike
03-08-2007, 12:50 AM
GUILTY!

White_Male_Canada
03-08-2007, 02:48 AM
I want you to read this editorial carefully, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030602020.html

Ouch ! Be humble, you're a loser.

That told me nothing new.


And, of course you remember Collin Powell's briefing before the UN Security Council where he attached his personnal credibility to claims of Iraki WMD ? .

The liberation of Iraq was not based on WMDs even though clinton, kennedy, pelosi, gore all agreed saddam had them.


Cause it was only...neocon

I don`t even know why I bother with you.You`re so detached from reality and lack even the basic fundamentals. Cheney never was a neo-con and you don`t even know what a neo-con is, do you ? :P

stillies77
03-08-2007, 03:06 AM
i love how every republican response says PSH YOU LEFTISTS...like its an insult.

olite71
03-08-2007, 07:13 AM
Yeah, right... :roll:

Scooter was found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice. He was obstructing an investigation that dealt with issues of National Security. In the run-up to the Iraq war, professional standards, even within the military and intelligence agencies, were subordinated to political goals. You got your stupid war, now the Bushies will have to deal with the consequences.

Damn you leftists are dumb. Exactly what don`t you understand about:

Intelligence Identities Protection Act. Victoria Toensing, who actually negotiated the terms of that legislation has stated as much,"The law prohibiting disclosure of a covert agent's identity requires that the person have a foreign assignment at the time or have had one within five years of the disclosure, that the government be taking affirmative steps to conceal the government relationship, and for the discloser to have actual knowledge of the covert status.Plame was not covert. She worked at CIA headquarters and had not been stationed abroad within five years of the date of Novak's column."

And what don`t you get about the fact Plame was NOT covert, she got her husband Wilson a job which produced LIES.
It is not against the law to expose liars:

In 2003-04, the Senate Intelligence Committee spent considerable time investigating why the CIA got the intelligence wrong on Iraq. As part of that mandate, staffers delved into the Niger mission.

First, it reported that, despite Mr. Wilson's denials, he did get the Niger assignment because of his wife. When her unit, the Counterproliferation Division, got word that Mr. Cheney wanted the yellowcake report investigated, Mrs. Plame recommended him to her boss, and she put it in writing.

The Senate investigators reported that Mr. Wilson did, in fact, find evidence that an Iraqi overture to buy yellowcake may have occurred. To Republicans, this meant Mr. Wilson's op-ed in the New York Times -- the essay that triggered the whole affair -- was inaccurate, just as Mr. Libby contended to Mrs. Miller that it was.

In an addendum to the bipartisan report, Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts, Kansas Republican, wrote that "public comments from the former ambassador, such as comments that his report 'debunked' the Niger-Iraq uranium story, were incorrect and have led to a distortion in the press and in the public's understanding of the facts surrounding the Niger-Iraq uranium story. The committee found that, for most analysts, the former ambassador's report lent more credibility, not less, to the reported Niger-Iraq uranium deal."

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=16450

WITH the disclosure that former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage was the initial source for Robert Novak's July 2003 column that outed CIA operative Valerie Wilson -- also known as Valerie Plame, wife of former ambassador and Iraq-war critic Joseph Wilson -- it is now clear that all the hype about a Bush-inspired vendetta against the Wilsons is bunk.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/08/31/EDG0SJ7NHV1.DTL


You're missing the point. Libby committed perjury. He lied to a grand jury. There is no excuse for doing that and it is a crime for which he was properly convicted. Period.

North_of_60
03-08-2007, 07:39 PM
And, of course you remember Collin Powell's briefing before the UN Security Council where he attached his personnal credibility to claims of Iraki WMD ? .

The liberation of Iraq was not based on WMDs (...)

You're getting funnier. Keep on.

"My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence."
- Secretary of State Colin Powell before the United Nations, 2/5/03

Cheney's office was maintaining its own intelligence shop, gathering information that had been rejected by intelligence professionals. Libby has been a big influence on the speech Powell gave, almost every detail of which was inaccurate, and at which United Nations officials who heard it openly laughed.

... and myself ! :lol:

White_Male_Canada
03-08-2007, 09:00 PM
You're missing the point. Libby committed perjury. He lied to a grand jury. There is no excuse for doing that and it is a crime for which he was properly convicted. Period.

I fully understand that point, others do not. The left is trotting out their old conspiracies about Wilson and Plame once again which was bebunked previously.

Bill Clinton lied in his deposition and suborned perjury so I guess Scooter is in good company.

White_Male_Canada
03-08-2007, 09:13 PM
The liberation of Iraq was not based on WMDs (...) [/quote]


You're getting funnier. Keep on.

This will make your side`s ache:

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." Sandy Berger

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Nancy Pelosi

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." Ted Kennedy

"I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." John F. Kerry

"Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Hillary Clinton



In regards to Saddam, Niger and yellowcake, you would have to dis-believe that Tony Blair, the U.S. Senate intelligence committee and the special investigative team of Parliament were all liars when they said there was substantial non-forged evidence backing Bush's claim. The investigative team was headed by the highly regarded Lord Butler, who served as a Cabinet minister under five prime ministers. It concluded that Bush's 16 words about Iraq's uranium shopping were "well-founded."


Cheney's office was maintaining its own intelligence shop, gathering information that had been rejected by intelligence professionals. Libby has been a big influence on the speech Powell gave, almost every detail of which was inaccurate, and at which United Nations officials who heard it openly laughed.

That`s bullshit.

A Feb. 9 front-page article about the Pentagon inspector general's report regarding the office of former undersecretary of defense Douglas J. Feith incorrectly attributed quotations to that report. References to Feith's office producing "reporting of dubious quality or reliability" and that the office "was predisposed to finding a significant relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda" were from a report issued by Sen. Carl Levin(D-Mich.) in Oct. 2004.

Similarly, the quotes stating that Feith's office drew on "both reliable and unreliable reporting" to produce a link between al-Qaeda and Iraq "that was much stronger than that assessed by the IC [Intelligence Community] and more in accord with the policy views of senior officials in the Administration" were also from Levin's report.
The article also stated that the intelligence provided by Feith's office supported the political views of senior administration officials, a conclusion that the inspector general's report did not draw.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/08/AR2007020802387.html

The Defense Department did not take the IG’s diagnosis lying down. As the NYTimes notes:

"The Pentagon’s rebuttal vehemently rejected the report’s contention that there was “inappropriate” use of intelligence by Pentagon civilians and said the effort to identify links between Saddam Hussein’s government and Al Qaeda was done at the direction of Mr. Wolfowitz, who was deputy defense secretary at the time. Describing the work as a “fresh, critical look” at intelligence agency conclusions about Al Qaeda and Iraq, the Pentagon rebuttal said, “It is somewhat difficult to understand how activities that admittedly were lawful and authorized (in this case by either the secretary of defense or the deputy secretary of defense) could nevertheless be characterized as ‘inappropriate.’”
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=15333

Caleigh
03-08-2007, 10:41 PM
Why are you guys arguing about whether WMD's were used as a scare tactic to invade Iraq > they were

Whether there was ANY evidence that Sadam Hussein might have been trying to maintain a nuclear weapons program >there was some, but no smoking gun

The topic here is Scooter Libby WAS found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice. Just because Clinton might have done it previously doesn't make it right does it? If that's your argument then at no time in the future can you criticize any Dem for obstruction or perjury. You don't want to lose an opportunity like that do you? No.

North_of_60
03-08-2007, 10:53 PM
The Bulter report... Citing this document shows that you are only, and nothing more, than a republican propagandist who doesn’t have a fucking clue of what he’s talking about. Read the words, see the light, you are deluded.

1- The main conclusion of the Butler report was that key intelligence used to justify the war with Iraq has been shown to be unreliable.

2- It also says that information from another country's intelligence service on Iraqi production of chemical and biological weapons was "seriously flawed"

3- The report indicated that there was enough intelligence to make a “well-founded” judgment that Saddam Hussein was seeking, perhaps as late as 2002, to obtain uranium illegally from Niger and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

… "Perhaps". The neocon warpigs have proved the world that they are quite capable of launching a war based on a simple word : "perhaps."

But what about the documents described as « seriously flawed » by your highly regarded Lord Butler ?

Mohamed ElBaradei, the director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, in Vienna, told the U.N. Security Council that the documents involving the Niger-Iraq uranium sale were fakes. 'The I.A.E.A. has concluded, with the concurrence of outside experts, that these documents (…) are in fact not authentic,' ElBaradei said."

Not authentic ? But where in hell is this leading us ? Do you smell the pasta WMC ? We’re in Italia with your good friend Berlusconi.

"In late October 2005, left of center Italian Newspaper La Repubblica published a three-part series which alleged that the Italian Intelligence Service SISMI played a large role in obtaining the forged Niger Documents and distributing them to Western Governments. Rocco Martino, formerly a dishonest policeman as well as a former SISMI double agent, is identified as the documents source, and he pitched them to SISMI, who in turn handed them over to the CIA station head in Rome. The documents were reportedly identified by the Italian embassy's intelligence personnel as probable forgeries and were refused. The La Repubblica expose then claims that SISMI Director Nicolò Pollari, at the behest of Italian Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi, did an end run around the CIA and delivered the documents by hand in Washington D.C. to White House National Security Council (NSC) staff."

Fake, fake and fake.
And nothing more than...

North_of_60
03-08-2007, 10:56 PM
And Caleigh... You are absolutely right.

White_Male_Canada
03-08-2007, 11:06 PM
You still don`t know what a neo-con is AND take words out of context:

http://www.butlerreview.org.uk/index.asp :

493. In early 1999, Iraqi officials visited a number of African countries, including Niger. The visit2 was detected by intelligence, and some details were subsequently confirmedby Iraq. The purpose of the visit was not immediately known. But uranium ore accounts for almost three-quarters of Niger’s exports. Putting this together with past Iraqi purchases of uraniumore fromNiger, the limitations faced by the Iraq regime on access to indigenous uranium ore and other evidence of Iraq seeking to restart its nuclear programme, the JIC judged that Iraqi purchase of uraniumore could have been the subject of discussions and noted in an assessment in December 2000 that: ...unconfirmed intelligence indicates Iraqi interest in acquiring uranium.

494. There was further and separate intelligence that in 1999 the Iraqi regime had also made inquiries about the purchase of uranium ore in the Democratic Republic of Congo. In this case, there was some evidence that by 2002 an agreement for a sale had been reached.


495. During 2002, the UK received further intelligence from additional sources which identified the purpose of the visit to Niger as having been to negotiate the purchase of uranium ore, though there was disagreement as to whether a sale had been agreed and uranium shipped.

497. In preparing the dossier, the UK consulted the US. The CIA advised caution about any suggestion that Iraq had succeeded in acquiring uranium from Africa, but agreed that there was evidence that it had been sought.

499. We conclude that, on the basis of the intelligence assessments at the time, covering both Niger and the Democratic Republic of Congo, the statements on Iraqi attempts to buy uranium from Africa in the Government’s dossier, and by the Prime Minister in the House of Commons, were well-founded. By extension, we conclude also that the statement in President Bush’s State of the Union Address of 28 January 2003 that:

The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.
was well-founded.

503. From our examination of the intelligence and other material on Iraqi attempts to buy uranium from Africa, we have concluded that:

a. It is accepted by all parties that Iraqi officials visited Niger in 1999.

b. The British Government had intelligence from several different sources indicating that this visit was for the purpose of acquiring uranium. Since uranium constitutes almost three-quarters of Niger’s exports, the intelligence was credible.

c. The evidence was not conclusive that Iraq actually purchased, as opposed to having sought, uranium and the British Government did not claim this.

d. The forged documents were not available to the British Government at the time its assessment was made, and so the fact of the forgery does not undermine it.

White_Male_Canada
03-08-2007, 11:09 PM
Why are you guys arguing about whether WMD's were used as a scare tactic to invade Iraq > they were

Whether there was ANY evidence that Sadam Hussein might have been trying to maintain a nuclear weapons program >there was some, but no smoking gun

The topic here is Scooter Libby WAS found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice. Just because Clinton might have done it previously doesn't make it right does it? If that's your argument then at no time in the future can you criticize any Dem for obstruction or perjury. You don't want to lose an opportunity like that do you? No.

I find nothing to disagree with here. They can`t impeach Scooter so let`s wait to see if all they do is suspend his law license.

What`s going on here is that the left are desperately trying to state that there is some sort of grand conspiracy.

I find that laughable, juvenile and silly.

North_of_60
03-08-2007, 11:18 PM
Why are you guys arguing about whether WMD's were used as a scare tactic to invade Iraq > they were

Whether there was ANY evidence that Sadam Hussein might have been trying to maintain a nuclear weapons program >there was some, but no smoking gun

The topic here is Scooter Libby WAS found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice. Just because Clinton might have done it previously doesn't make it right does it? If that's your argument then at no time in the future can you criticize any Dem for obstruction or perjury. You don't want to lose an opportunity like that do you? No.

I find nothing to disagree with here. They can`t impeach Scooter so let`s wait to see if all they do is suspend his law license.

What`s going on here is that the left are desperately trying to state that there is some sort of grand conspiracy.

I find that laughable, juvenile and silly.

:sleep

El Nino
03-18-2007, 05:57 PM
They Will All burn in Their Conservative Christian Hell