Educate Me!

[seenoneizm]

hi been into shemales a while now, but always had a girlfriend, just broke up though, im 19 from london and desperate to get into the scene and started meeting some chicks, the thing is when i wank over them, i get really horny n think i never wana shag a normal chick , just a shemale, but when i cum i feel a bit guilty, is this normal? will it go away?

i know about wayout club but i duno how to get there, plus i want to be educated on famous shemales (i know a few, allanah, lisa lawler etc)

[Ecstatic]

Sounds like the old "Am I gay?"chestnut. Who knows, if you don't? My advice: try it, see if you like it. If you do, why ask why? If you don't, move on--no harm, no foul. But to always wonder and never take the chance to find out--that's what I would regret.

[hillbilly]

good answer E. good to be back.

go out have fun live, explore. don't beat yourself up about it. many of us have already beat ourselves up for you.

if i make it back to london i'll stir things up with you. i love london.

[tjinla]

If you spend time with a tg you are a homosexual. The sooner you come to grips with it the better off you'll be in the long run. Of course you can always delude yourself like 95% of guys. But what is the goint? You are gay. So What!

[hillbilly]

so what are you if you spend time with GG's?

[Ecstatic]

If you spend time with a tg you are a homosexual. The sooner you come to grips with it the better off you'll be in the long run. Of course you can always delude yourself like 95% of guys. But what is the goint? You are gay. So What!
I really was trying to avoid going down this road. It serves no purpose I can see. Human sexuality is incredibly diverse and I will always maintain that the simplistic male/female dichotomy is an extreme example of the either/or fallacy (look it up). In any event, it doesn't apply to me, never has. I have been bi my entire life, and discovered that I was when I was 19 or 20. So being with a TS doesn't make me gay--I'm already bi. Being with a gg doesn't make me hetero--I'm already bi. I don't know about anyone else, but I really don't think it matters. What matters is what makes you feel good, so long as you're not hurting others doing it (unless they ask you to 8) ).

[hillbilly]

nice answer E. i couldn't agree more. i stopped classifying myself a long time ago or trying to rather.

just enjoy yourself stop living with questions and regrets. you only get one turn.

[Felicia Katt]

I doubt this will put an end to this seemingly endless conflict but...

from the dictionary

hetero-

other, different

homo-

same

so, in a broad sense of the word, you are a homosexual if you are attracted to the SAME gender.
you are a heterosexual if you are attracted to an other or different gender

I suppose if you insist on taking it down to the very simple, specific, literal level

cock +cock = homosexual
cock+pussy =heterosexual


this all presumes there are only two genders. and that is not a valid presumption. No matter how you try to define gender ie anatomically, psychologically, culturally, genetically, there are always more than 2 genders.

and who says what is masculine versus what is feminine? again, its not a simple binary equation. its not either or. or neither nor.

sexuality is complex and complicated and multifaceted. its a crystal, not a coinflip. I suggest abandoning the labels and valuing the person for who they are. but if you feel compelled to categorize, why not use a looser, but still accurate criteria?

Felicia

[flabbybody]

TJINLA, I just want to ask you one thing? I have no problem with you labeling me homo cause I'm into being with tgirls. If that's what you think, that's fine. At my advanced point in life, I could give a f--k what I'm classifyed as.

But I have zero sexual attraction to guys or anything remotely masculine. Doesn't that make it a little more difficult to classify me as strictly gay?

[Ecstatic]

Well said, Felicia. I think we about covered it between our posts. The magic word you included which I overlooked this time around (though I've talked a lot about both here and elsewhere before) is gender. You said:
so, in a broad sense of the word, you are a homosexual if you are attracted to the SAME gender.
you are a heterosexual if you are attracted to an other or different gender
and that's exactly the problem with the either/or classification: people tend to overlook or even be entirely unaware of the differences between sex and gender. If one is (in simplistic terms) born sexually male but gender identifies as female, is one male or female? Isn't that a -- or the -- central question for any MtF transsexual? To put it another way, if you ascribe to the limited belief that, if you are attracted to the SAME gender you are homosexual, well, if you're attracted to an MtF TS who is, gender-wise, female, then you're not homosexual. The attraction is hetero.

It's been said here and elsewhere, by me, by you, by many others, that sex and gender are not synonymous. but so long as people assume that they are, and fail to see the distinction, then we'll have these simplistic, narrow-minded interpretations of human gender behaviour and sexuality.

Felicia, I also love what you said further on:
this all presumes there are only two genders. and that is not a valid presumption. No matter how you try to define gender ie anatomically, psychologically, culturally, genetically, there are always more than 2 genders.

and who says what is masculine versus what is feminine? again, its not a simple binary equation. its not either or. or neither nor.

sexuality is complex and complicated and multifaceted. its a crystal, not a coinflip.
Well said, indeed.

Reflecting on all this, I think I should refine my previous statement: I fell back on the long-established taxonomy of being bisexual: after all, that's the third in the GLBT foursome. But really, I'm not bisexual: I'm omnisexual.

[hillbilly]

i think i'm just plain sexual and having to think about it just brings it down.

ok who wants to have sex? let's get this started.

[Realgirls4me]

seenoneizm,

I wouldn't allow TJ's view of what constitutes homosexuality to cloud your curiousity and help determine whether you do or don't climb on board. There will always be those who see the world in that cubicle. I totally disagree with anyone who reduces a TS woman's vast depth, complexity, and beauty to the physical, i.e., her cock. There are some out there whose attraction to a TS woman is centered solely on what's in her crotch, and more power to them, but to simply label them homosexual I think says more about their narrow and myopic definition and is missing several points, the least not being that her cock is but a unique part of her whole totality. I will add that if you are strongly attracted to women of the TS world that you follow through on your impulses and urges and go for it. Don't wrap yourself in guilt as the world goes by, particularly now that you are single. Go for it. If you're anything like me, you'll still be attracted to GGs, and you'll also never look back and question your decision. :)

[sexyredman]

I think people are missing the point of TJ's post. The point was to embrace what you like regardless of the labelling. People are up at arms whenever "gay" is mentioned in association with them, which really just shows the rampant homophobia even here on this board, equating gay as a disparaging remark. While I agree with the previously stated stance that sexuality is more than a dichotomy, I think we should all take a step back and get some perspective... being hetero-identified is no better or worse than being homo-identified which is no better or worse than being somewhere else in the mix.

In short, live your life as only you can, the critics and labellers can't live it for you.

[tjinla]

I suppose I went a little overboard. It is probably because I only like transvestites. Transsexuals interest me as much as women. That is, not as much.

When you are on your knees servicing someone with out tits and a rock hard cock, it is pretty evident that you are gay like me.

[hillbilly]

i think people react the the negativity of the phrase "delude"

anyways whatever. brings me to another topic.

those tv's sure can suck cock. not generally my thing but sometimes when i do i'm like why the hell not! hahaha

well actually i know when the top comes off and there are no breasts its over for me. doh!

so yeah whatever everyone have safe fun and lets not forget our newbie who started this post. he probably has been scared off.

[Freddy]

I suppose at one point in time Transsexuals were looked at as gay men and someone came up with the idea of having a different name for this group of people. Lets have a little fun and come up with a name to classify ourselves.

If you like GG's and TS we can classify ourselves as:

Hetmo's

Any one else have any thoughts or suggestions?

[Danielle Foxxx]

COCK SUCKERS!!! lol OK BEFORE SOMEONE SEES THIS AS WRONG...IT WAS A JOKE!

I would like to ask him to spend quality time with a shemale instead of just sex and see if that does anything for you...If so...then you know it's not just a fetish....like sucking on toes or sleeping with animals...I hate seeing myself as a fetsih but hey...what can I do but go with the flow, I hope to someday be a complete female, in this life or next life, but guys like that one hatrid post make me want to look in the mirror and throw up...Am I an abomination? What am I? A disgusting sinner? Gods abomination? Well... I would like to ask you guys to please be careful with your words, I am a cock sucker ( and danm good at it ) but I am also a lady and a human being.... RESPECT

[Bluejay]

Seenoneizm,

Just read your interesting request for support,given that I live in London I think I could give you practical support in exploring your interest further.

I've been dating a English t-girl (well known on the London scence) for over 4 years now( the best four years of my life!).

We're attending "Miss TS International 2004" (first time for London) on the 28th November 2004 at the well known nightclub "Heaven" in central London.

All the hottest T-girls in London will be there!

The link below gives more details of the night and the cover

http://www.misstsinternational.com

[seenoneizm]

wow , lots of replies, thanks for everyones help

i plucked up the courage to go to a TS club, and it was great, got a load of girls numbers and had a bit of action back at a hotel room with a well known TS

my 1st time was fabulous, felt so right having a dick in my mouth instead of licking pussy, this is what ive been missing all these years

altho i disagree with the comment about if you like TS/TV it makes you gay

hardly

Thanks everyone, oh and that thing at heaven looks awesome

[Bluejay]

Look forward to seeing you there :lol:

My girlfriend will be singing a couple of numbers on the night.

[seenoneizm]

cool
whos ur girlfriend

[Bluejay]

PM me and we'll chat :lol: