Guys that see escorts?

[Vicki Richter]

Those of you who see escorts: Do you ever get disappointed? For example, say you are a top and you go see a girl and all you get is a BJ. Does that suck? Also, say you are a bottom and you see a girl and all you get is to BJ her a little and wank off while you do it. Is that a bummer?
Do you find that with more girls than not, the service is only a blow job or somehow related to oral sex?

Would you prefer a TS post in her ad if she is a top or bottom, etc? I noticed that most girls say versatile, but in fact they lean toward one or the other.

For me, if I was to escort, I would do it as a bottom only. Why? Well please see my posting on hairy asses. Also, I think, at the risk of sounding catty, the thought of seeing first timer bottoms scares the fuck out of me. I tried to top once professionally off screen and I got a terrible surprise. Being a clean freak I am sure you guys can only imagine. I'm sorry but fuck that. Even guys I work with on screen have issues and they are experienced. However, strangely, no girl or TS I've worked with on screen has ever had an issue. Why do you suppose this is?

I just think bottoming is something I can control better. Condoms? Check. Ultra double whammy porn star enema completed? Check. Deep tight warm asspussy? Check. I mean stuff like mutual oral is OK and from what I understand most guys just want to suck on girls things anyway. I just want to know if you ever walk away from a mutual oral date and say, "damn, I wish x, y, and z had happened".

Also, for bottoms who like sucking cock: Does it bother you when the girl doesn't cum? I mean most girls on tour are seeing 4-10 guys a day. You can't expect her to cum that many times can you?

Consider this recon.

Vicki

[wombat33]

Those of you who see escorts: Do you ever get disappointed? For example, say you are a top and you go see a girl and all you get is a BJ. Does that suck? Also, say you are a bottom and you see a girl and all you get is to BJ her a little and wank off while you do it. Is that a bummer?
Do you find that with more girls than not, the service is only a blow job or somehow related to oral sex?

Would you prefer a TS post in her ad if she is a top or bottom, etc? I noticed that most girls say versatile, but in fact they lean toward one or the other.

For me, if I was to escort, I would do it as a bottom only. Why? Well please see my posting on hairy asses. Also, I think, at the risk of sounding catty, the thought of seeing first timer bottoms scares the fuck out of me. I tried to top once professionally off screen and I got a terrible surprise. Being a clean freak I am sure you guys can only imagine. I'm sorry but fuck that. Even guys I work with on screen have issues and they are experienced. However, strangely, no girl or TS I've worked with on screen has ever had an issue. Why do you suppose this is?

I just think bottoming is something I can control better. Condoms? Check. Ultra double whammy porn star enema completed? Check. Deep tight warm asspussy? Check. I mean stuff like mutual oral is OK and from what I understand most guys just want to suck on girls things anyway. I just want to know if you ever walk away from a mutual oral date and say, "damn, I wish x, y, and z had happened".

Also, for bottoms who like sucking cock: Does it bother you when the girl doesn't cum? I mean most girls on tour are seeing 4-10 guys a day. You can't expect her to cum that many times can you?

Consider this recon.

Vicki

I have been dissapointed 50% of the time.

Some because I am a little shy about explaining what I want, and sometimes because the girl is a con artist.

When I go I am willing to donate very well. I am totally clean, shaved, fresh breath, and with gift.

I ask for this:

Mutual touching, giving oral, getting oral, fucking her, getting fucked (if she can be patient with me) and then finally having her cum.

I have had parts of that, but never the full thing.

One of my best experiences came recently with a girl from Eros NY called Keyla Coxx. A tall thin, very natural looking black girl.

SHe was polite, really into talking and getting to know my needs. Also was so friendly and put me at ease. This was one of the best I ever experienced. She uses a fake photo in her ad, but in real life she is so much pretty. Very natural.

Hope that sheds some light.


OH.........and if kissing is allowed.............HOMERUN!

[Jennifer_English]

Ultra double whammy porn star enema completed? Check.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

But Sooooooooooooooooo true......

[Ecstatic]

I like to develop a firendly relationship with an escort, so over the past five years or so I have seen only a few. If there's some chemistry, then I'll come back. Out of 9 or 10 girls I've seen as escorts, there are 4 to whom I'll return time and again.

One of these (my first) is no longer in the biz, but we stay in touch; we became friends outside the professional relationship. There was never a missed step here: she is versatile, as am I, so most sessions we would take turns as top and bottom, along with lots of oral and kissing. And to top it off, most times she would cum (she once told me she has to cum several times a day), and she could go for hours--amazing girl.

The other three are the only escorts I've gone to see in the past 2-3 years, as I am fully satisfied with them. They are all friends (we get together outside of the professional relationship for dinner, to hang out, talk on the phone, etc.). The sex with two of them is incredible; with the third the sex is hit and miss, but I like her so much as a friend that I'll still visit her professionally from time to time.

Oh, there's also a post-op girl I see from time to time, but questions of topping, mutual bj, etc. don't apply with her. ;)

[Jericho]

I've only been dissapointed once [and that was down to her 'attitude'].

Always sorted out the arrangements of what's expected before hand, so there are no surprises or letdowns.

[sucka4chix]

I've been disappointed a few times--- once because I paid way too much and got basically nothing. The main thing that's disappointing to me is a girl that just wants the money and isn't really into doing anything. Unless I've dealt with a girl before, I don't expect alot, so I don't get disappointed. If you had a great time with a girl, then see her again and she does a 180--- that's disappointing. Usually, I get pleasantly surprised--- girls that don't kiss want to kiss me, girls that don't get fucked want me to fuck them. I guess I'm just that charming :wink: .
It also matters how I feel about you--- if I have a huge crush on you, unless your exceptionally rude, you can't disappoint me. I've been with girls who really didn't do THAT much, but I liked them so much I didn't care. When I met Miriam/Victoria ( God bless her ), she coulda just shook my hand and I woulda been happy!

[suckseed]

I've told my story here of my hot time with an escort. But my first time was laughably bad, and the second not much better. I had to get experience and get over my nervousness. Being on these forums and reading about others helped a lot. Finally a light bulb went on and I got over my fear. "She's not gonna rape me, relax."
On the other hand, I've paid for sex 4 times with gg's. And had a hot tub session with an adorable girl....wow, years ago, I forgot about that. Personality is everything. Fucking someone who's basically checking her watch is not what one wants. But getting my ashes good and properly hauled with a sweet woman? It does wonders for the soul. Like the fishing trip in Cuckoo's Nest. 'Oh yeah...I remember having fun with someone in bed...that was nice.'
Sure, it'd be nice if escorts were clear about things...but attitude/personality is for me the main factor.

[MonsieurValentine]

4 to 10 in a day... Wow.

[Kriss]

:popcorn :smoking

[MrsKellyPierce]

Lol what about the guys that blow their top to fast cause they are so excited just to be with an attractive TS for the first time :lol:

[Alison Faraday]

Lol what about the guys that blow their top to fast cause they are so excited just to be with an attractive TS for the first time :lol:

Then you take that into consideration, read the situation, and don't deliberately do it. It's unfair on the guys, and poking fun at them isn't a good way to have the nice ones come through your door, who are often petrified and nevous anyway. All they're doing is exploring themselves.

I had a guy today and he was lovely. Yes, he did ejaculate within minutes. But I don't view my time as just being about sex, I wouldn't want to. We talked for 20-minutes, then I did it again. :D

Some of these guys are just genuinely exploring themselves, and taking the piss out of them is a horrible and very shallow thing to do. They may be guys, but they still have feelings. And they do talk to each other.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Lol what about the guys that blow their top to fast cause they are so excited just to be with an attractive TS for the first time :lol:

Then you take that into consideration, read the situation, and don't deliberately do it. It's unfair on the guys, and poking fun at them isn't a good way to have the nice ones come through your door, who are often petrified and nevous anyway. All they're doing is exploring themselves.

I had a guy today and he was lovely. Yes, he did ejaculate within minutes. But I don't view my time as just being about sex, I wouldn't want to. We talked for 20-minutes, then I did it again. :D

Some of these guys are just genuinely exploring themselves, and taking the piss out of them is a horrible and very shallow thing to do. They may be guys, but they still have feelings. And they do talk to each other.Thanks for explaining that Alison :)

[bassman2546]

Lol what about the guys that blow their top to fast cause they are so excited just to be with an attractive TS for the first time :lol:

Then you take that into consideration, read the situation, and don't deliberately do it. It's unfair on the guys, and poking fun at them isn't a good way to have the nice ones come through your door, who are often petrified and nevous anyway. All they're doing is exploring themselves.

I had a guy today and he was lovely. Yes, he did ejaculate within minutes. But I don't view my time as just being about sex, I wouldn't want to. We talked for 20-minutes, then I did it again. :D

Some of these guys are just genuinely exploring themselves, and taking the piss out of them is a horrible and very shallow thing to do. They may be guys, but they still have feelings. And they do talk to each other.

Nicely said Alison. I've yet to be with a TS but anticipate it greatly in the near future. If my first time is with one of the beauties I've seen in pics and vids, I would have to do a great deal to control myself hoping that I don't turn an hour into a few minutes.

Alison, I wish you were on this side of the ocean. You sound like you'd be wonderful with first-timers.

[tsmandy]

4 to 10 in a day... Wow.

Yeah that is alot, the entire time I was escorting there was only one day I saw more than 2 guys in a day. Generally I would see 2-3 guys a week, sometimes more sometimes less. Not all gals aim for quantity over quality, something to keep in mind.

http://mandytgirl.com

[tsmandy]

Then you take that into consideration, read the situation, and don't deliberately do it. It's unfair on the guys, and poking fun at them isn't a good way to have the nice ones come through your door, who are often petrified and nervous anyway. All they're doing is exploring themselves.

Some of these guys are just genuinely exploring themselves, and taking the piss out of them is a horrible and very shallow thing to do. They may be guys, but they still have feelings. And they do talk to each other.

I guess it all boils down to the type of experience a gal is offering and the type of experience a guy is looking for. Some girls put alot of thought into providing quality companionship, which is about alot more than knowing how to get someone off.

To me, being a quality companion, always meant being present and seeing the people I was with as people. Because of that I saw a lower volume of guys, no mind I just charged more, and I had maybe 3 experiences that I didn't enjoy and would say I regret.

But, I also live in a small city, and a girls success depends on her reputation. The review boards are active and alot of TS girls provide shitty service, and the guys know that.

Vicki I think you can probably make a killing doing anything you want, I very rarely topped and I never had a lack of good clientele.

[naughty lady]

Hi Vicki: Your post was quite thought provoking. I have had only a few intimate meetings with escorts and in every case, there was a disappointment involved. It is somewhat difficult for me, and I presume others to be frank on the phone as to what I would like and enjoy (embarassed). Generally there is a preliminary discussion that sets the tone for the meeting and there you learn how the escort is orientated. I went to these escorts due to my sometimes uncontrollable fascination with transsexuals, I find them unbelieveably sexy. Many advertise as GFE which to me means kissing, foreplay, cuddling etc. In each case I did not receive anything remotely like a GFE. Essentially, I was looking for someone I could have an on going relationship with, and what I generally received was a business like BJ. To clarify further, I am a business owner, well dressed, well educated, freshly showered, teeth brush man who is considered at least average in looks. I wanted to treat these ladies as they would expect to be treated by a gentleman. Hope this explains my experiences. There has to be a way to avoid these disappointments in general, as expectation are high and fantasy driven. PS: I think you are very special and hope to meet you in person someday.

[hotfireman69]

Alison Faraday wrote:


Then you take that into consideration, read the situation, and don't deliberately do it. It's unfair on the guys, and poking fun at them isn't a good way to have the nice ones come through your door, who are often petrified and nervous anyway. All they're doing is exploring themselves.

Some of these guys are just genuinely exploring themselves, and taking the piss out of them is a horrible and very shallow thing to do. They may be guys, but they still have feelings. And they do talk to each other.

I so agree with Alison (and I think I am in love, you seem so caring and gentle). I remember my first time. The lady as beautiful, and I was so excited....it did not take long for me to shoot my load with just a HJ...but being the first time she was cool...and I was satisfied, and learned from that for the next time........but in answer to original question, no so far, knock on wood I have been happy with each meeting, but I also take from Estatics book, and go to the same one.....

[ggonz101]

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[RawNY]

Intersting topic, Vicki.
When I first started to be attracted to TG , way back when, there were alot of them in NYC, most advertising in Screw Magazine ( Thank you AL Goldstein). Their prices were low and the quality varied. I didnt do it often becasue I was able to find other avenues to meet , NYC being an easy place back then.
I guess I found most of what you talked about. MOst of the women did not want to talk about it over the phone. So, when you got there, you would pay your $, "make yourself comfortable" (defined as get naked so they know your not a cop) aqdn then talk. by then you were naked, broke and horny and would do anythign to get off, lol. Som there was alot of oral action.
Many of the women would try so hard to get you to cum and leave. I suppose that this way they didnt have to have intercouse adn couls see more men. However, you were always left with a bad taste in your mouth and not from cum, lol.
I was glad to read Alison's post. If I paid for a half hour or an hour, that is what I expeted. twice I had to tell them that they would either have to spend more time, or give me a rebate (how about a credit for another go around?)
I guess it is like any other cum-sumer business, you have to satisfy your customers to get repeat business. I saw two ladies more than once becasue they were affectionate (fake or not) and were anxious to give me my money's worth.
Too bad they didnt have message boards then becasue, as the man once said, an educated consumer makes the best customer.

[BeardedOne]

Dear gawd, Mandy, izzat a rig on your ass? I love you already! :D Very nice pic. :claps

To the topic: I try not to expect too much from many things and thereby limit or eliminate potential disappointment. I mean really, if you expect Monday at work to suck, it usually comes through with flying colors. In my limited experience with escorts, I had some hopes, but not so much expectations, of how the time would go. Overall, my experiences have been rather happy ones, even if I may not have fulfilled all of my wildest fantasies. Yet. :)


Would you prefer a TS post in her ad if she is a top or bottom, etc? I noticed that most girls say versatile, but in fact they lean toward one or the other.

I'd rather they be at least a little bit honest. It's a given that a digit or ten will be moved from the age entry to the dick size, but if she doesn't bottom or play active oral, then it's just bad business to say otherwise. I don't know what the repeat rate is for the average escort, but I'd think that they'd prefer a string of regulars that treated them well, bathed regularly, and had really, really, really big.....wallets ( :wink: ) as opposed to Frank Fartface, fresh from the line at the foundry, covered in soot and bitching that the last gurl he did only charged eighty bux for the party. :roll:


Also, for bottoms who like sucking cock: Does it bother you when the girl doesn't cum? I mean most girls on tour are seeing 4-10 guys a day. You can't expect her to cum that many times can you?

I have mixed feelings on that, but have yet to be 'disappointed'. While most people have a post-coital depression I tend more to a post-coital brainstorm. My head flips into overdrive and I start blathering on about business statistics. There's no sense to it, really, but there I am, with my bare ass hanging out in the cool breeze, doing Q & A about the escort biz.

One gurl came twice during our time together, but it was a daytrip and I was her sole client for the entire day so I would suspect (And expect) that I got the whole day's supply of cream filling. :D The other hasn't given me such a show (As of yet), but there was one time that she came very close to doing so. I was never certain if this was because she was either saving herself for a later client or if perhaps there was an extra charge for such a pleasant encore. :)


4 to 10 in a day... Wow.

Sounds right and mileage may vary. One of the gurls I was with doesn't escort full time and I'd be surprised if she had more than one client a day, if that. The other, in our post-party chats, has revealed that a busy night would involve as many as seven appointments. Though, I suspect that in the latter case, she has a fair number of regulars that balance that out quite a bit.

It would also depend on the definition of "hour", I s'pose. For me, it's at least fifty-five minutes while to others it may be no more than fifteen.

I attribute a lot of my lack of disappointment to my being one of those annoying, chatty types that sends scads of emails and PMs to feel out the prospect. Allowing for the fact that many of these gurls field quite a bit of fan and stalker communication, I try to get a little bit of the pleasantries out of the way in advance of the meeting. If they are at least moderately patient with me, I move on to the next level (Schedule, appointment, dinner, whatever).

And yah, attitude is everything. Blow me off on the first contact and I ain't =ever= gonna blow =you=. :P And I'm the kind of guy who occasionally puts his money where his mouth is. :wink:


Lol what about the guys that blow their top to fast cause they are so excited just to be with an attractive TS for the first time

It doesn't even have to be the first time with a gorgeous TS. I tend to have a hair-trigger when I am with anyone for the first time in a long time. If it ain't regular, Mr. Happy gets fucking anxious. :shock: The last gurl I was with was shocked when I popped and said "My gawd! When was the last time you had sex?" and I gave her not only an exact date, but the hour as well. She asked "How can you be so accurate?" and, with a bit of a laugh, I looked her in the eye and said "Darlin' you were =THERE=!".


I had a guy today and he was lovely. Yes, he did ejaculate within minutes. But I don't view my time as just being about sex, I wouldn't want to. We talked for 20-minutes, then I did it again.

All this, =AND= you like cats. Does it get any better? :D


Some girls put alot of thought into providing quality companionship, which is about alot more than knowing how to get someone off.

I have been extremely fortunate in that the gurls I've been with have been (Beyond beautiful) smart, sharp, articulate, witty, friendly, and above all, patient with my own odd behaviours. Truly, in an eight hour period there is only so much dick you can suck before it becomes...well...work.

So far, no disappointments. However, torque me off in the right/wrong way, and know that =everyone= will hear about it. :evil:

[pnwguy24]

Lol what about the guys that blow their top to fast cause they are so excited just to be with an attractive TS for the first time :lol:

Then you take that into consideration, read the situation, and don't deliberately do it. It's unfair on the guys, and poking fun at them isn't a good way to have the nice ones come through your door, who are often petrified and nevous anyway. All they're doing is exploring themselves.

I had a guy today and he was lovely. Yes, he did ejaculate within minutes. But I don't view my time as just being about sex, I wouldn't want to. We talked for 20-minutes, then I did it again. :D

Some of these guys are just genuinely exploring themselves, and taking the piss out of them is a horrible and very shallow thing to do. They may be guys, but they still have feelings. And they do talk to each other.


I have the be honest, this response warmed my heart a little bit. thank you for that very sweet, kind response.

[pnwguy24]

I dont usually do the escort thing. I have only twice and both were TS providers. I get very nervous with women I have not been intimate with and have trouble getting hard if you know what I mean. Makes no difference whether it is a TS or not, Each one of my GF's it took about 3-4 seperate tries before it started to work. Once I am comfortable however I am extremely passionate.

[mike7s]

vicki,
thanks for bringing to the surface the issue of a male bottom being clean or not from original post...can you suggest to us males the best method of staying clean if you are a bottom ? What product(s) to recommend?

[Vicki Richter]

4 to 10 in a day... Wow.

Yeah that is alot, the entire time I was escorting there was only one day I saw more than 2 guys in a day. Generally I would see 2-3 guys a week, sometimes more sometimes less. Not all gals aim for quantity over quality, something to keep in mind.



I am talking about the girls who tour. Do you honestly think at 300-400 a client it makes sense for a girl to tour (plane ticket, nice hotel, eating out) for 1 or 2 clients a day? She would barely make anything. I know of a blonde girl from Florida who went to SF her first time and saw 18 clients in 2 days. This didn't come from the girl, but my friend whose apt she was staying at. She is a beautiful escort.

Regardless, when guys want strange, they pretty much go straight to the "who is visiting". I've always said that guys should stick with the local girls because they aren't going to be seeing 5+ guys a day - nor would they want to.

I totally agree with quality over quantity.

[Vicki Richter]

vicki,
thanks for bringing to the surface the issue of a male bottom being clean or not from original post...can you suggest to us males the best method of staying clean if you are a bottom ? What product(s) to recommend?

It is a very tricky process and very hard to perfect to be perfect. So that said... If you aren't getting fucked every day, and it is an occassional thing for you... Do a Fleet enema and then, after a one or two empty enema bottle squirt water rinse take an immodium. Do this about an hour before seeing the girl. This is what all porn girls (GG's) eventually learn. You will never have an issue that way in my experience.

For someone who isn't an occassional/recreational bottom, you will want to avoid the enema kits and just use water... lots and lots of water... maybe up to 2+ quarts at a time... then there is the flush out afterwards, etc... Kind of embarassing, but as some of you have seen, I do a lot of ass to mouth in videos lately so I have to be over the top squeeky clean.

[flabbybody]

my escort interactions are limited to girls I know from the old nowbar days or meeting at a tgirl party. I'd like to think they enjoy my company, and it's not just my dough. (maybe that's naive on my part)

I never see visiting girls. traveling to big cities to have sex with as many guys as you can in strange hotels must make someone very unhappy.
besides, too much local talent in NYC.

[Vicki Richter]

See! Support your local 401 escort union.

[Kriss]

Well you asked for it girl, this is becoming an essay, looks like I will have to tackle one subject at a time.



Also, for bottoms who like sucking cock: Does it bother you when the girl doesn't cum? I mean most girls on tour are seeing 4-10 guys a day. You can't expect her to cum that many times can you?
Vicki

I would try to arrange it so I was the first of the day. So, if a girl's last client was at say 2 or 3 in the morning, she sleeps till 12, gotta give her an hour or three to get made up so I would book her for around 2.30 pm. Early enough to be the first client, not so late as to be second. johns are men and thus predictable, they will always book at 1 or 2 or 6. by booking at half past the hour, it is less likely that I will see the disgusting face of her last john leaving as I arrive, thus , I don't picture her wiping his rancid ejaculate from her hair as I am buzzed into the lobby.So at 2.30ish that's 12 hours of spunk backed up there but on this issue, If I have paid, for example, £400(or $800) for two hours of a girl's time, well I kinda expect a good two hours. If she hit the booze the night before and felt/looked like shit, then I would have to reschedule. If we had a good time I'll happily take her for lunch , get her a big steak and replace all that cum. O.K. let's 'do the math' as you yanks so love to say....(where is olive the percentage nut when needed?) if a girl sees 4-10 clients per day, lets say she comes with 4, the average ejaculate weighs, say 3-7 grams? if she sees 7 clients, each paying $300, thats $2100, divided by say 5 grams of spunk......is........ about$420! My god , you girls(or your spunk) are worth nearly 50 times your weight in gold. $420 for a gram of TS cum? And you wonder why we are so desparate to swallow every precious drop? That shit is more addictive than pcp, heroin, meth, coca cola.....


Basically you get what you pay for. If you visit a Girl in Amsterdam's canal district the going rate is 50Euros (that's like $66)for "a suck and a fuck". What you get from each girl varies greatly but for 50 euro she expects you to be out on the street in 15 minutes, so if you don't come quick enough you may get the vigourous hand job treatment.If you want more you can pay more and get more/better treatment, for a GOOD session you're looking at 150-200Euro so in effect you are paying $250 or £125 for the hour, roughly what many very attractive U.K. girls charge. All these girls have their regulars but I can say I always had fun, Some of those girls look good, are clean and genuinely nice, if you treat them with respect(which hardly gauranteed in the RLD) but AGREE what you want and are going to pay. Every girl I visited there would kiss, sometimes I am happy to spend 30 minutes kissing and enjoying a girls titties, It aint just the cock, but more of that later. Never asked for BBBJ in the RLD, it's not that the girls aren't clean, they are regularly tested/monitered, it's just some of the guys that hang around that area! and those girls see a lot of guys, most rent the 'window' for 100 to 150 euro per day or shift depending on room/location so they got to bang 3 guys per day just to break even.
The london scene has some nutters that i've heard of, thankfully I tend to do my research and have avoided the crazy girls that will lock punters in their flat/ set their dog on them/ answer phone while getting fucked, yeah if I am paid to do say two hour sound engineering for someone my phone has to be OFF. I expect the same from a girl that in reality, I am employing to provide a service, sure it can be fun, has to be really.
I find a good rule of thumb is to book for longer than you need, I would rather pay for 2 hours and get a girls FULL ATTENTION than try to meet her, get comfortable, do all the sex in one hour with the clock ticking from the moment the door opens...

Yes we guys DO talk to each other, It's a whole TSchaser community out there
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TS_ESCORT_REVIEWS/

[Cat]

I imagine it would suck.

[Alison Faraday]

Well, time to reply.


Nicely said Alison. I've yet to be with a TS but anticipate it greatly in the near future. If my first time is with one of the beauties I've seen in pics and vids, I would have to do a great deal to control myself hoping that I don't turn an hour into a few minutes.

Alison, I wish you were on this side of the ocean. You sound like you'd be wonderful with first-timers.
Thank you. You'll be fine really. As for my views towards first timers I pretty much prefer them. It's rewarding to be exploring a guy's fantasy of which he's not sure of, and to give him a memorable experience.


I guess it all boils down to the type of experience a gal is offering and the type of experience a guy is looking for. Some girls put alot of thought into providing quality companionship, which is about alot more than knowing how to get someone off.
More warm companisonship here than a shag.


I so agree with Alison (and I think I am in love, you seem so caring and gentle).
*waves*. I am I am. :-)


All this, =AND= you like cats. Does it get any better? :D
You got it :-) Mmmm, could get better I'm not sure.


I have the be honest, this response warmed my heart a little bit. thank you for that very sweet, kind response.

Thank you :) And that's why I'm replying now. I didn't want you or anyone to check back and see I hadn't replied. :oops:

The truth at the end of this about my views towards escorting. I see it as a professional job. I would much rather be working in an office again as the the security is regular although that's not realistically going to happen, so if I'm going to do this then I'm going to do it in the same way that I work. I genuinely do take pride in what I do and always enjoyed meeting new people. It's fun. I do actually enjoy people. Christ, why not meet people and get paid for it..

[Kriss]

Vicki, If you are asking these questions because you are considering escorting then I should point out that with the weak dollar and exchange rate as it is, you can probably earn more escorting in U.K. and Europe with the Euro tied to the Pound in value so fairly strong. I'm sure you know who to ask on this matter but i look at adverts on U.S. Eros and U.K. eros . It seems that girls that charge say, $200 per hour in U.S. , can easily expect £200 in U.K. , to be honest I think perhaps more, novelty of visiting etc, I am constantly shocked when I see stunningly beautiful girls on US eros listing their time at $200. Thats like £100! I can't get a plasterer to work for less than £120 a day so how can i fuck such a beautiful woman for so little? (better shut up, the guys will KILL me for this) If you do tour U.K. and Europe, try to find out when the other 'top drawer' girls are visiting, no good turning up two days after another big star(r), we will all be broke. Many lovely london based girls advertise on Eros but I think "the girls that have been here 2 years will probably be here another 2 years, I can see tham anytime." If a favourite International girl is visiting i will save my pennies (and cum) for her.
So Vicki, how many free hours do I get for all this top notch market research?

One other point on escorts, I have always had a good time with TS girls yet my experiences with "gg"(hate that term) prostitutes, sorry, I mean Escorts have all been very disappointing, every gg hooker i saw was rude, unfreindly, impatient, over-priced, wouldn't kiss, wants more cash if i suck her boobs, is a rip off or maybe it's me and they just smelt a dirty sleazy tranny chaser toxic bachelour?

[Kriss]

she and I have a good relationship

It's called a Sugar daddy

[Kriss]

Lol what about the guys that blow their top to fast cause they are so excited just to be with an attractive TS for the first time :lol:

They should take the 15 minutes for 50 euros in Amsterdam, But there when you cum, you're out. In u.k. at least , when the man comes after 5 minutes, he's still got 55 minutes paid for to chill out, talk, get hard again, not difficult if he is with a very sexy lady.

[Kriss]

The ONLY reason I visit escorts is that they provide, however small, a degree of GirlFreindExperience. This it not to say that a fantasy love affair is required, but some form of INTIMACY, otherwise I may as well onanise (?**?$?), have a wank in other words (or just one look at Allanah's new avatar has the same effect). Really the most important thing for me is the kissing (Thats the MONEY right there) and also very important is great boobs to which I have full access. O.K. sometimes we want a hard cock, ready for action, not always so easy if the girl is hitting the hormones hard/partying hard, don't know about you girls but if there is one thing that is gauranteed to compromise my potency it is alcohol. Another reason to see her BEFORE 11pm. Never heard of the dreaded 'brewers droop'? I'm not a drinker anyway but even one beer seems to affect the johnson. Little good weed, well opposite effect, drill sergent is standing to attention! :offtopic
Sorry, I digress, mostly I'm going for the whole experience, body, personality, but if I was totally set on being topped maybe i would discuss what could make that easier, erection wise(more money:wink:)

maturbation provides relief and a big release of endorphines and dopamines (free drugs). In my experience this type of orgasm also results in a massive release and LOSS of energy, I feel exhausted after a wank and just want to eat lots of protien. Orgasm through sexual interaction with another human being involves an energy TRANSFER and that is what I'm paying for, yup ,I'm here to suck out your very life essence Girls! Great sex with a professional escort is well worth the cash for the confidence and energy it gives us. I see nothing wrong or shameful in seeing escorts, the funnyest shit is when guys drop that "i don't have to pay for sex" line. :lol: Get real, everyone pays for sex, thats why the non-professional whore(wife/girlfreind) hates the professional whore so much, she devalues the pussy. When we can get great sex for $200, what 'er indoors has doesn't seem so worth all the morgages,cars,9-5,store cards,birthdays,broken dreams. better stop here before i alienate everyone

[scorpion]

Those of you who see escorts: Do you ever get disappointed? For example, say you are a top and you go see a girl and all you get is a BJ. Does that suck? Also, say you are a bottom and you see a girl and all you get is to BJ her a little and wank off while you do it. Is that a bummer?
Do you find that with more girls than not, the service is only a blow job or somehow related to oral sex?

Would you prefer a TS post in her ad if she is a top or bottom, etc? I noticed that most girls say versatile, but in fact they lean toward one or the other.

For me, if I was to escort, I would do it as a bottom only. Why? Well please see my posting on hairy asses. Also, I think, at the risk of sounding catty, the thought of seeing first timer bottoms scares the fuck out of me. I tried to top once professionally off screen and I got a terrible surprise. Being a clean freak I am sure you guys can only imagine. I'm sorry but fuck that. Even guys I work with on screen have issues and they are experienced. However, strangely, no girl or TS I've worked with on screen has ever had an issue. Why do you suppose this is?

I just think bottoming is something I can control better. Condoms? Check. Ultra double whammy porn star enema completed? Check. Deep tight warm asspussy? Check. I mean stuff like mutual oral is OK and from what I understand most guys just want to suck on girls things anyway. I just want to know if you ever walk away from a mutual oral date and say, "damn, I wish x, y, and z had happened".

Also, for bottoms who like sucking cock: Does it bother you when the girl doesn't cum? I mean most girls on tour are seeing 4-10 guys a day. You can't expect her to cum that many times can you?

Consider this recon.

Vicki

True al the way girl. Thats one of the reasons I dont pay four my fucks anymore. Beacause I want and need sex in another way.
Its have been more than more important that I have sex whit a person who are at the same level as mee.
But I think escort T-girls do a fantastic job.

[Kriss]

Do you ever get disappointed? For example, say you are a top and you go see a girl and all you get is a BJ. Also, say you are a bottom and you see a girl and all you get is to BJ her a little and wank off while you do it. Do you find that with more girls than not, the service is only a blow job or somehow related to oral sex?


I avoid disappointment in every area of my life and I hate paying for anything of poor quality. Thats my nature, I don't gamble. I could be lucky, I probably won't so I'd rather do the research , read the reviews. If I visit an escort, then I will have researched her, plan a good day, so I don't have to be anywhere else, get enough sleep. There have been occasions where I have planned everything, only to wake up that day with a cold or a mad outbreak of spots. Personally I can't inflict that on someone that I am paying to get intimate with and I'm not going to have a memorable experience if I feel under par physically. and i have to totally feng shui the room first, point the bed to the east, bring in water features,etc.(joke) My first experiences with TS girls were in amsterdam where you see a girl in the window, ask how much and in you go. The TS girls generally have a blue light instead of red. As an over polite englishman my first times were a little confusing yet not really disappointing, let's just say I learned to ask "what do you have here?" before going further. From recent reviews it seems the same girls are still there three years on. I believe all TS in the RLD are independant. One girl is dutch, really nice girl, great tits but tiny penis, like a finger and she wont fuck, either way, but i had a good time regardless. One girl was so beautiful, so incredibly petite and feminine, columbian, last window on bloedstraat, I went in looking for a cock and got a very hairy pussy, to this day I don't know if she was post-op or gg as this straat is all T-Girls.
She was lovely, wouldn't kiss lips but everywhere else, what do you do? I fucked her and it was great, really nice girl, bit confusing though. I suppose the advantage there you can spend very little first time just to know who you want to spend more "time" with. Now I would rather see two or three escorts a year and spend big have a memorable time. If I am respectful and a gentleman AND pay what the girl asks then I shouldn't be disappointed. I won't be bossy or demanding but I find that usually, if you ask nicely, you get what you want. Someone said in a recent post that his "freind" went to see a girl and she "was not as she was on the website". I thought what does he mean? was she ugly?, fat?, non-airbrushed? or a different girl entirely? If I turned up and found a different girl or another girl present (why is it always a bad TV?) or three dudes in ski masks :shock:, I would be out of there(rush home, get on HA):frustrated' ':violin'

Really I would rather have a sexy girlfriend and not see escorts at all but hey, you can't always get what you want but you do get what you pay for.
And those 'regular' guys, well addicts i call them, someone said on this forum that "escorts date escorts" and that is true, you can't have a proper relationship with a girl if she is escorting. sure you can be fuck buddies but a relationship? No one can block that shit out forever.

[Kriss]

Thats one of the reasons I dont pay four my fucks anymore. Beacause I want and need sex in another way.
Its have been more than more important that I have sex whit a person who are at the same level as mee.


Troo werdz Skawpean. Sex is always better with someone you love, or at least feel a connection with. The girls I would pay top dollar to see have a personality and attitude that is far sexier than just a big cock or flawless skin.
It's all about the dirty talkin' baby.

[otherguy]

Regardless, when guys want strange, they pretty much go straight to the "who is visiting".

I've always wondered why so many locals post 'visiting' on their tags. Pure economics and marketing, it seems. It is really interesting to watch trends of who appears, where and for how long. Most of the same faces, in most of the same places. Almost like birdwatching, lol. :love1

[TheGuard]

Lol what about the guys that blow their top to fast cause they are so excited just to be with an attractive TS for the first time :lol:

Then you take that into consideration, read the situation, and don't deliberately do it. It's unfair on the guys, and poking fun at them isn't a good way to have the nice ones come through your door, who are often petrified and nevous anyway. All they're doing is exploring themselves.

I had a guy today and he was lovely. Yes, he did ejaculate within minutes. But I don't view my time as just being about sex, I wouldn't want to. We talked for 20-minutes, then I did it again. :D

Some of these guys are just genuinely exploring themselves, and taking the piss out of them is a horrible and very shallow thing to do. They may be guys, but they still have feelings. And they do talk to each other.

Articulate posts like this almost make me want to change my stance on seeing escorts.

Almost. :wink:

[Kriss]

Regardless, when guys want strange, they pretty much go straight to the "who is visiting".

Don't understand this comment. What do you mean 'strange'?, I check for visiting girls because I want a certain type of girl. Of the 100 or so TV/TS girls on London Eros, maybe 5 are my type of girl. I look at NYC or SF and theres like 20 or 30 stunning girls. Yankie boys, you've never had it so good!
Any U.K. girls reading this, you are definately included in that top 5. (hey, i'm getting good at this toxic bachelor routine)
Maybe the guys that you refer to are all known to local girls as 'strange'?

[Kriss]

double post, bollox

[Kriss]

I am talking about the girls who tour. Do you honestly think at 300-400 a client it makes sense for a girl to tour (plane ticket, nice hotel, eating out) for 1 or 2 clients a day? She would barely make anything. I know of a blonde girl from Florida who went to SF her first time and saw 18 clients in 2 days.

I see SO many analogies between the porn/sex industry and the Music industry, especially the 'niche' market of TS porn. When I would 'tour' as a gigging musician(little less glamouous), we would have to stagger live shows according to geography, fit in recording between gigs, etc. This industry is so similar, the way the producers run with the last sucsessful format, recruit the three current names that are selling ad infinutum. It's just like the perpetual "three the hard way" tradition of reggae music. In any 'niche' market in the music world the food chain is thus... musicians and specifically 'artists'(product) are employed, developed, coached and symbiotically exploited by producers until they earn enough money and 'cred' to become self-producers and also logically producers/studio owners/own label/own publishing company, nurturing talent, etc. The most sucessful bands invested early advances in trucks, lighting and sound equipment so they never had to hire, then they rent the stuff to less smart bands that pissed their advance up the wall(and probably blew it on TS prostitutes). Van halen, kiss,(all wankers, sure) these guys had thier own factories printing T-shirts to that they could control as much of the cash made off them as possible. They came down HARD on merch pirates, zero tolerance and why not.SO you girls have gotta be buying all your video cameras, lights, studio, then make good porn for us where you can totally control the quality, edit out all those camera angles you dont like so we never see a hint of 'cottage cheese'. I can hold a boom mike, gis a job.

Have to confess that I was shocked when I discovered just how many of my favourite TS porn stars, big stars were available to me for escorting. It is wrong to compare(but i will anyway) the paralell worlds but if I wanted to purchase an hour or so with a 'big name' genetic girl(cant i just say bornwithapussy? or breeder?), say , a u.k. page 3 boob model, or porn star, well you're looking at £500 per hour. that's silly money but then some people find it acceptable to spend that on a bottle of plonk.

[qeuqheeg222]

i would like the honesty in a add for an escort-the escort telling for REAL if she is a bottom or top,how many inches,functional and can she cum!i have had a larger share of bad to mediocre experiences with tg escorts..i like to top and nothing pisses me off more than when you pick up a sexy curvy bubble booty girl and she wont let you hit it!!!why the fuck are you advertisin all that ass!!!!female escorts the rate of bad experiences increasee-you can almost always tell they dont enjoy what they are doing..at least the tgs for the most part get some "workplace satisfaction".however on of the best blowjob escorts i knew was a gg who wore a blue bob wig and kinda looked like a girl from black t-girls....

[Kriss]

Do you find that with more girls than not, the service is only a blow job or somehow related to oral sex?


Basically G girls are totally clueless at giving blow jobs. I always hated blowjobs, dreaded them in fact, every G girl was 100% shit at oral sex but when it comes to getting her off, I gotta chew hair for 30 minutes, Men LEARN to get good at oral sex(no Ggirls can genuinely come from a few minutes vaginal penetration alone). Every blow job (stupidest euphemism EVER) I recieved from a Tgirl has been FANfuckinTASTIC! So you gotta love what you do and you gotta do what you are good at.

[Kriss]

Do you find that with more girls than not, the service is only a blow job or somehow related to oral sex?


For me I'm attracted to the girl's whole body so It doesn't have to be all about the cock. I'm a boob fan so if I visit an escort for an hour, I would rather spend half the time kissing and worshiping her boobs before she sucks my brains out through my cock, I mean those titties aren't cheap, right? You want to hear how good they look from every angle right?
Shit now you got me thinking, i'm off to blow some hard earned cash. I think I'll have..................strawberry.






':screwy'

[Kriss]

the thought of seeing first timer bottoms scares the fuck out of me.
Vicki

And I had you down as an insatiable corrupter of Virgins.

[ottorocket]

I imagine a fat T-girl would probably give the best head of anyone. Whole lotta Rosie...whole lot.

[Vicki Richter]

Have to confess that I was shocked when I discovered just how many of my favourite TS porn stars, big stars were available to me for escorting. It is wrong to compare(but i will anyway) the paralell worlds but if I wanted to purchase an hour or so with a 'big name' genetic girl(cant i just say bornwithapussy? or breeder?), say , a u.k. page 3 boob model, or porn star, well you're looking at £500 per hour. that's silly money but then some people find it acceptable to spend that on a bottle of plonk.

I definitely think big star TS undercharge. The biggest stars are charging between $300 - $400. I remember Vaniity at the peak of her career making a big announcement saying, "I am going to increase my rate to $400 to become the highest paid TS escort." I kind of laughed to myself then thinking how much more she could have charged. She could have easily charged $1K a client and still had tons of bookings. I don't understand it at all. I realize there is a lot of competition, but in my opinion star power is worth more to some people. For GG pornstars here, at least the big ones, you are looking at $1k-$5k. I know one very well known genetic girl who will do bareback anal at bachelor parties for $1500.

There used to be an escort site for them that was busted a bit ago. What is sad is just several years ago, the top GG's in porn would escort for up to $10k (an hour). There are girls where guys would literally save their money working in places like gas stations or books stores and then blow it in an hour with their dream porn girl. I think I have "dated" four guys in my adult career. One in NYC, one in Chicago, one in SJ, and one in AZ. I'm sure some of you have seen me testing the waters for beginning to escort. It's a real struggle because I want a pool and I love sex so I ask myself, "why not"?

V

[trannylover_york]

Those of you who see escorts: Do you ever get disappointed? For example, say you are a top and you go see a girl and all you get is a BJ. Does that suck? Also, say you are a bottom and you see a girl and all you get is to BJ her a little and wank off while you do it. Is that a bummer?
Do you find that with more girls than not, the service is only a blow job or somehow related to oral sex?

Vicki

LOL You're a funny girl, your posts tend to be entertaining or raise good issues. Great! Keep it up!

[karaalextv]

In my experiences, a hairy ass is just not that attractive. And if you want a TOP girl, then you gotta shave and clean up.

We tgirls treat our backsides as our pussys. If a guy wants me to TOP, then I just gotta know I, and he, are in for a smooth ride!

[ottorocket]

Have to confess that I was shocked when I discovered just how many of my favourite TS porn stars, big stars were available to me for escorting. It is wrong to compare(but i will anyway) the paralell worlds but if I wanted to purchase an hour or so with a 'big name' genetic girl(cant i just say bornwithapussy? or breeder?), say , a u.k. page 3 boob model, or porn star, well you're looking at £500 per hour. that's silly money but then some people find it acceptable to spend that on a bottle of plonk.

I definitely think big star TS undercharge. The biggest stars are charging between $300 - $400. I remember Vaniity at the peak of her career making a big announcement saying, "I am going to increase my rate to $400 to become the highest paid TS escort." I kind of laughed to myself then thinking how much more she could have charged. She could have easily charged $1K a client and still had tons of bookings. I don't understand it at all. I realize there is a lot of competition, but in my opinion star power is worth more to some people. For GG pornstars here, at least the big ones, you are looking at $1k-$5k. I know one very well known genetic girl who will do bareback anal at bachelor parties for $1500.

There used to be an escort site for them that was busted a bit ago. What is sad is just several years ago, the top GG's in porn would escort for up to $10k (an hour). There are girls where guys would literally save their money working in places like gas stations or books stores and then blow it in an hour with their dream porn girl. I think I have "dated" four guys in my adult career. One in NYC, one in Chicago, one in SJ, and one in AZ. I'm sure some of you have seen me testing the waters for beginning to escort. It's a real struggle because I want a pool and I love sex so I ask myself, "why not"?

V

Remember Vicky to budget for the pool "toys", thats what makes it fun...lol

[phxguy]

I very rarely see escorts. When I do, I'm not interested in whether she's top or bottom because I don't do either. All I like to do is give a BJ and I'm into cuddling. That's about it with me. As long as the cock gets hard, it doesn't matter whether she cums or not.

[MonsieurValentine]

4 to 10 in a day... Wow.

Yeah that is alot, the entire time I was escorting there was only one day I saw more than 2 guys in a day. Generally I would see 2-3 guys a week, sometimes more sometimes less. Not all gals aim for quantity over quality, something to keep in mind.

http://mandytgirl.com

look at you. where did you come from?

[tsmandy]

look at you. where did you come from?

Is that a trick question?

[Vicki Richter]

Vicki,

I have tried to find a Tgirl who would be my first experience with being topped and I find that the resources to know how to prepare are limited. I would say 90% of guys have somewhat of a hairy ass and if that is the case, then you are saying most Tgirls do not want to top.

I find that flies in the face of alot of the escort ads. I am just too worried that a tgirl is not going to even get into topping me if they all do not like hair on the ass.

I also take into account that you are coming from the professional world where most know how to prepare and they also wax all of their hair off. In the real world, most guys don't do that. So what the hell do you do if you are trying to find a beautiful "top" tgirl? I have done oral and that is cool, but most do not cum.

It's tough I know. All I can say is you can shave your ass... That is a good step to take. I will say there are a lot of professional escorts who won't care. They will just take your money and somehow can get hard regardless of how your ass looks or smells. I personally don't know how they can do it, even with Viagra or something like that.

You have to go on the escort review web sites and really do a good overview of the girls. 90% of the girls lie in their ads about at least a measurement. Because that is their livelihood, of course they are going to say versatile so as not to turn off over half of their clientele. Some girls only top for work and only bottom in their personal lives. There is this fear among a lot of TS sex workers that bottoming is too risky and too much ass fucking will stretch them out or cause other medical issues.

Some guy emailed me that ass fucking causes colon cancer if it is with multiple partners. I am not really well studied on it. I just know I like it.

[MrBoner]

never tried the service of an escort.
i dont pay for sex. 8)

[MonsieurValentine]

look at you. where did you come from?

Is that a trick question?

not at all, mandy.

[MrBoner]

Why, because you are Mr. Boner- you deuchebag. Why make the comment- is that for your own benefit. Stop peacocking and go mouse your hair
wanna know the difference between us? 4 inch!
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Azanti]

Vikki,

To answer your question from my point of view, it would easier to say that, I would rather have sex with someone I feel some kind of connection with, and hopefully they feel the same about me. Even if I was to go with an escort, which I haven't done yet, like with sex generally, I would prefer not to have some kind of battleplan and predisposed sequence of events to take place and I would tell her as much beforehand. I sure would make sure I was clean (cause I am versatile) and yeah I know how to do that. Have a ton of condoms, dress nice, smell nice, probably have a bunch of roses (Yeah laugh if you want, just the way I am) and let things flow. I'm not saying I wouldn't go with an escort, in fact being in the UK its hard to meet nice TS any otherway, but once you cross that line, it will always be on that basis - Obviously I would still like the event to as be as nice as possible. I hope all that makes some kind of sense.

[Vicki Richter]

I know more than one girl who began dating a client so it is possible that if you seduce her the way you would any GG stripper (ask her to dinner, treat her nicely, be funny and charming, cute, etc) you can move your friendship beyond professional.

Mr Boner - that is a beautiful penis if it's yours

I think guys would be amazed at how accessible pornstars are - both GG and TG. A lot of us are single and obviously everyone wants a relationship and to be in love.

[suckseed]

However, Vicki, I must in all conscience add the caveat that availability does not imply that affections are necessarily requited; a real man does not pursue once his overtures are declined.
Translation for the hooples: no means no.

[Azanti]

Vikki I have dated a couple of pole dancers, but I didn't meet them in the club and I was cool with what they did. Your right, no one wants to be alone, least of all me.

[MrBoner]

Mr Boner - that is a beautiful penis if it's yours

no i bought it on ebay. haha. wanna see another pic?
your're damn hot Vicki :P

[Kriss]

Some guy emailed me that ass fucking causes colon cancer if it is with multiple partners. I am not really well studied on it. I just know I like it.

Eating beef causes colon cancer if you do not also intake sufficent fibre(bran) to facilitate "optimum waste management", some kind of build up thing, waste tissue collects in the colon.

[Kriss]

i dont pay for sex. 8)

':lies' ':lol:'

[Tranny 411]

Those of you who see escorts: Do you ever get disappointed? For example, say you are a top and you go see a girl and all you get is a BJ. Does that suck? Also, say you are a bottom and you see a girl and all you get is to BJ her a little and wank off while you do it. Is that a bummer?
Do you find that with more girls than not, the service is only a blow job or somehow related to oral sex?

Would you prefer a TS post in her ad if she is a top or bottom, etc? I noticed that most girls say versatile, but in fact they lean toward one or the other.

For me, if I was to escort, I would do it as a bottom only. Why? Well please see my posting on hairy asses. Also, I think, at the risk of sounding catty, the thought of seeing first timer bottoms scares the fuck out of me. I tried to top once professionally off screen and I got a terrible surprise. Being a clean freak I am sure you guys can only imagine. I'm sorry but fuck that. Even guys I work with on screen have issues and they are experienced. However, strangely, no girl or TS I've worked with on screen has ever had an issue. Why do you suppose this is?

I just think bottoming is something I can control better. Condoms? Check. Ultra double whammy porn star enema completed? Check. Deep tight warm asspussy? Check. I mean stuff like mutual oral is OK and from what I understand most guys just want to suck on girls things anyway. I just want to know if you ever walk away from a mutual oral date and say, "damn, I wish x, y, and z had happened".

Also, for bottoms who like sucking cock: Does it bother you when the girl doesn't cum? I mean most girls on tour are seeing 4-10 guys a day. You can't expect her to cum that many times can you?

Consider this recon.

Vicki

Having a degree in Clinical Psychology and the study of Transsexuals I would have to say that in the true sense, a MTF Trannssexual would be one that takes on the Female role completely. In other words, she would not like the fact that she has a penis and would prefer that it does not draw the attention of her suitors. During transition this is a difficult scenario. Self esteem is very low. The goal is to be as feminine as possible, hence surgery, cosmetic changes, and the rush to perfection or at least perceived perfection. This leads to issues that go far beyond what we might consider true transition.

In todays society the "Transsexual" has taken on a role of "sex object" for many. In reality, this is not a healthy situation for anyone seeking to truly "transition".

As is true in most of our society, money comes into play. To what degree is that the catalyst for many modern Transsexual "partial transitions".

In the young transsexual generation, 18-30, the term "transition" does not mean "sex change". This is a new wave of Transsexual. What does it mean?

I ask you as a group, what do you perceive a Transsexual to be and why? Why would an individual seeking to change from one gender to another maintain the primary organ of their original gender?

I seek your input, and please be serious. Thanks.

[MrBoner]

i dont pay for sex. 8)

':lies' ':lol:'
only men attack me here but no gurls. arent you just envious of me? :)

[mikey_stl]

Those of you who see escorts: Do you ever get disappointed? For example, say you are a top and you go see a girl and all you get is a BJ. Does that suck? Also, say you are a bottom and you see a girl and all you get is to BJ her a little and wank off while you do it. Is that a bummer?
Do you find that with more girls than not, the service is only a blow job or somehow related to oral sex?

Would you prefer a TS post in her ad if she is a top or bottom, etc? I noticed that most girls say versatile, but in fact they lean toward one or the other.

For me, if I was to escort, I would do it as a bottom only. Why? Well please see my posting on hairy asses. Also, I think, at the risk of sounding catty, the thought of seeing first timer bottoms scares the fuck out of me. I tried to top once professionally off screen and I got a terrible surprise. Being a clean freak I am sure you guys can only imagine. I'm sorry but fuck that. Even guys I work with on screen have issues and they are experienced. However, strangely, no girl or TS I've worked with on screen has ever had an issue. Why do you suppose this is?

I just think bottoming is something I can control better. Condoms? Check. Ultra double whammy porn star enema completed? Check. Deep tight warm asspussy? Check. I mean stuff like mutual oral is OK and from what I understand most guys just want to suck on girls things anyway. I just want to know if you ever walk away from a mutual oral date and say, "damn, I wish x, y, and z had happened".

Also, for bottoms who like sucking cock: Does it bother you when the girl doesn't cum? I mean most girls on tour are seeing 4-10 guys a day. You can't expect her to cum that many times can you?

Consider this recon.

Vicki

Hi Vicki

I'll try to answer your questions. I've been to a few TS escorts. Generally, I find the whole escort experience to be quite satisfying sexually, but unsatisfying emotionally and spiritually. I'm not saying I'd never go to an escort again, but it's not what I'm looking for anymore.

The times I've been disappointed: when I've been rushed, when the girl doesn't look like her picture or has lied about certain things, when they try to pry more money out of me after we'd agreed on a price, when she can't get it up, when she's not into kissing, etc. I like escorts who are genuinely friendly and respectful -- not putting on some act.

I've never been a bottom for a girl. I'd like to try it sometime, but I'd feel more comfortable doing it in a relationship than with an escort. I generally prefer to give and get bj, mutual masturbation, rubbing cocks together.

I must say, I like it when a girl cums. I just like helping someone else get off. I think that's happened with all the girls I've been with, although some have had to masturbate themselves to cum.

I think TSs should always spell out everything very clearly in their ad: Post a picture that really looks like her, don't exaggerate cock size, say whether she's cut or uncut, say whether she prefers being a top or bottom or is versatile, whether or not she kisses or does GFE, say what her race is if it's not apparent from the pic. The more they say in their ad, the more they'll avoid having guys calling with questions.

I've always made sure I'm as clean as possible when going to an escort -- freshly showed and shaved, etc. I've seen some escorts who have made this clear in their ad.

[ARMANIXXX]

^^

I think they attacked you because:

1. You came off as arrogant and boastful. Not that big of a deal imo.

but then

2. You are new while comming off as arrogant and boastful.


Hey I don't care one way or another to be honest, I just thought I'd fill in the blanks. Good luck though.

[Kriss]

only men attack me here but no gurls. arent you just envious of me? :)

No i'm joking mate, I just love to argue, i'm a 'time burgler'. Nothing against you Boner, members(excuse the pun) that I dislike don't even get a response(I just covertly snipe about them in other threads). I have to protest when any guy says, sorry I mean, CLAIMS that he never pays for sex. Only Rapists never pay for sex although some at least buy the girl dinner first(I'm no cheapskate). Everything you do in this life cost $$$$$ except getting old and they want to tax me every year for just taking a shit. Are you telling us that you have never bought drinks, movies, gas for your car, shiny shoes, holidays, happy meals, rohipnol, and all the other things needed to get a girl into bed? oh yeah...I forgot(please let me forget!!!!!)......the dick. What you should say is "I pay for sex DESPITE my huge dick", that will really aggrovate jealous 'phallically challenged' guys like me.

Anyway, I'm a girl, haven't you seen my avatar?

DRY.HUMOUR.ALERT...DRY.HUMOUR.ALERT...DRY.HUMOUR.A LERT...DRY.HUMOUR.ALERT...

[Ecstatic]

Having a degree in Clinical Psychology and the study of Transsexuals
You actually have a degree in the "study of transsexuals"? Interesting. Perhaps you could share a little of what goes into that degree; is it a BS or MS or PhD? What is the discipline?


I would have to say that in the true sense, a MTF Trannssexual would be one that takes on the Female role completely. In other words, she would not like the fact that she has a penis and would prefer that it does not draw the attention of her suitors. During transition this is a difficult scenario. Self esteem is very low. The goal is to be as feminine as possible, hence surgery, cosmetic changes, and the rush to perfection or at least perceived perfection. This leads to issues that go far beyond what we might consider true transition.
I think there is a lot of truth and thought behind what you say here. However, I also think you are severely delimiting the definition of "transsexual." Definition of terms is the beginning of knowledge, yet taxonomy and categorization also pigeonhole and create dead ends. I believe that there are many different types of transgenderism, and the classic M2F transsexual as you describe (as one requiring, ultimately at least, SRS for completion as a woman) is but one, and the most severe, classification. It certainly is valid, but so are other types.


In todays society the "Transsexual" has taken on a role of "sex object" for many. In reality, this is not a healthy situation for anyone seeking to truly "transition".

As is true in most of our society, money comes into play. To what degree is that the catalyst for many modern Transsexual "partial transitions".

In the young transsexual generation, 18-30, the term "transition" does not mean "sex change". This is a new wave of Transsexual. What does it mean?

I ask you as a group, what do you perceive a Transsexual to be and why? Why would an individual seeking to change from one gender to another maintain the primary organ of their original gender?
I seek your input, and please be serious. Thanks.
Emphasis mine. I perceive a transsexual to be one who gender identifies as the gender opposite that socially nomitive for the biological sex of the individual. This does not require that such a person dispise her penis or irrevocably desire GRS, although this is a normal and common type. There are those who do not desire or cannot have GRS for medical reasons (it might be dangerous for them to undergo the surgery--above and beyond the normal dangers of such invasive surgery), or because of the risk of nerve damage and/or the loss of the ability to orgasm. There are those who (while you may claim they are submitting to social demands) due to family or career cannot or choose to not undergo GRS.

To continue, and also to address your second question, there are those who, while fully identifying as women in all other aspects, happen to enjoy the pleasures that their male organ provides and choose to allow nature's "mistake" (of their transgenderism) to persist so that they can continue to enjoy those pleasures (why should they sacrifice that simply because a clinical psychologist told them that otherwise they are not transsexual?).

[TJT]

Vicki if you're thinking about turning tricks,you need to ask yourself if you can live with it?

You seem to make a distinction between having sex on film for cash and doing it behind closed doors for the same reason? There's obviously a reason you feel that way. That doubt would be enough to make me not do it if I were you? You're going to have to live w/ yourself a lot longer than the money from turning tricks is going to last.

As for you guys looking for love and understanding from an escort,you're deluding yourselves. It's all about the money. A hooker is a hooker no matter what their parts are? Some are nicer than others,but it's a business and you're a walking chunk of change.

Sorry to come across as a hard ass on my second post,but I'm an old fart that's been around too long to sugarcoat things.

Good luck Vicki.

[Kriss]

As for you guys looking for love and understanding from an escort,you're deluding yourselves. It's all about the money. Some are nicer than others,but it's a business and you're a walking chunk of change.

Sorry to come across as a hard ass on my second post,but I'm an old fart that's been around too long to sugarcoat things.



:rock2

Please can this guy be fast-tracked to CTE or something?

[tsmandy]

Vicki if you're thinking about turning tricks,you need to ask yourself if you can live with it?

You seem to make a distinction between having sex on film for cash and doing it behind closed doors for the same reason? There's obviously a reason you feel that way. That doubt would be enough to make me not do it if I were you? You're going to have to live w/ yourself a lot longer than the money from turning tricks is going to last.

As for you guys looking for love and understanding from an escort,you're deluding yourselves. It's all about the money. A hooker is a hooker no matter what their parts are? Some are nicer than others,but it's a business and you're a walking chunk of change.

Sorry to come across as a hard ass on my second post,but I'm an old fart that's been around too long to sugarcoat things.

Good luck Vicki.

Not everyone has experiences and values like the ones that seem to inform this statement. Spending a significant amount of time in the last couple of years providing companionship to the masses has carried some real complicated emotions, but feelings of guilt and shame have never been among them. I've been elated, satisfied, sad, tired, pensive and afraid; but never ashamed of my work.

Why? Just like a licensed therapist does with ones emotional baggage and marital problems, I attended my clients needs for physical intimacy and sexual expression with an acknowledgment of their worth as human beings.

You can think I'm full of shit, but thats how I approached my work.

On the other hand, I was righteously pissed off all the time about the bullshit that strangers felt entitled to unload on me; judgment about my decency as a person, and beliefs about my worth as a person. And I was sick of wondering if that next guy I met might turn out to be a cop, or might stalk me, that my landlord might evict me, that my face might turn up on the evening news; that drove me nuts.

But guilt should only be something one feels when they do something they think is wrong.

[TJT]

Mandy,the guilt thing is what I meant,but I'm too long-winded for my own good?

If she's got that much doubt about the escort thing after being paid to perform sex in a different type of work,maybe she shouldn't cross that line?

[Kriss]

girls that don't kiss want to kiss me, girls that don't get fucked want me to fuck them.

This is good stuff, :lies .In my experience(and it would seem that of many johns) it is suprising how many escorts will say "I never kiss clients" or "I always fall in love when I kiss/get fucked by guys" just before she plunges her tongue down your throat or begs you to fuck her.That line is gold for reeling in a certain type of regular.:twisted:

[ottorocket]

my standards are just too picky to go to most escorts i've seen. Not just physical standards but, location, my own safety, etc... I have a short list of a few i would see if they would be romantic and passionate in ways that would fullfill me more than a wam bam thank you mam sorta thing

[deke]

Those of you who see escorts: Do you ever get disappointed?

Unfortunately yes. I've been with several girls and only the last one was there 100% satisfaction


For example, say you are a top and you go see a girl and all you get is a BJ. Does that suck? Also, say you are a bottom and you see a girl and all you get is to BJ her a little and wank off while you do it. Is that a bummer?
Do you find that with more girls than not, the service is only a blow job or somehow related to oral sex?

I make sure that the girl offers everything I'm looking for: GFE top and mutual BBBJ. The dissapointments come from girls that can't get hard.


Would you prefer a TS post in her ad if she is a top or bottom, etc? I noticed that most girls say versatile, but in fact they lean toward one or the other.

Yes but they have to mean what they advertise. No "bait and switch"


I just think bottoming is something I can control better. Condoms? Check. Ultra double whammy porn star enema completed? Check. Deep tight warm asspussy? Check.

LOL!


Also, for bottoms who like sucking cock: Does it bother you when the girl doesn't cum? I mean most girls on tour are seeing 4-10 guys a day. You can't expect her to cum that many times can you?

Yes it bothers me but I do realize the challenge here.

From what I've learned I now make sure to do better research and try to have a conversation with the girl (non specific) just to get a feeling for her personality. The last (and best) girl i was with had a real eagerness to please and made me feel like she was really into it.

[houstonshemalefan]

As most know, I LOVE shemale escorts. I have been with some of the most beautiful shemales on earth (in my opinion only, lol!)

I believe that you get what you pay for. If you only pay a girl $100 or less, then a BJ is about all you're gonna get or should get. If you fork over $200+ then the full course deal should be offered.

The only time I ended up only duing mutual bbbjs was with Raquel Reyes a few years ago. It was mutual bbbjs and I paid $250. That was WAY too much for a bbbj and I was rather disappointed, but not devastated as she did cum in my mouth and me in hers. She gave me a BS excuse about my dick being too big for her asshole which is totally not the case cause many shemales have taking me all the way in like champs!

That being said, I would only be disappointed if I "over-paid" for a bbbj.

[whatsupwithat]

I, like you, Vicki, have major issues with cleanliness...and hair. I mean, I go so far as to get brazilian waxes for myself. I've had some horrid experiences in the past and so...well, you know what I'm saying, I think.

As far as escorts, I don't visit them. I really don't dig the idea of cheapening the act or intimacy that can develop...nor playing a part in a cycle that is not altogether good for the community. Oh, and I definitely don't like the fact that a million and one guys have 'been there, done that' before me and I have no idea from whence they came (no pun intended).

disclaimer: I wholly support whatever choices people make in their lives. Whether that be to escort or to visit escorts. Peace.

[houndog]

I see escorts.....and I probably overpay more often than I should.

I have had good and bad and excellent experiences. The best tend to be from TG's who have become friends and we know each other's expectations. I hate being hustled, lied to, and treated harshly. I'm an adult, but don't appreciate curt rude people whether they are T-girls or others.

I post reviews actively in ER, and if you read them you will see that I try to be accurate, fair, and helpful to those who re looking for a T-Girl experience.

The bottom line :-) is that I always hope that if treat my partner with respect and am clean and sensitive to the situation for both of us, that the sexual experience that follows will improve over time and be mutually enjoyable.

[DeClock]

I have only seen two ladies, and both of them let me down. I went to see others but when they found out I was Black they turned me away. So now I only enjoy movies and on line.

[MacShreach]

It's all about the money. A hooker is a hooker no matter what their parts are? Some are nicer than others,but it's a business and you're a walking chunk of change.

Yup, that's what I like about it. For a piddling amount of money I can realise just about any sexual fantasy I would want to and it comes with no strings, no ties, no baggage and no effect on my everyday life, except that I feel good.

I am very close to thinking, having regularly used the services of professionals for near to two decades, that the perfect woman is in fact, a whore. Courtesan, escort, whatever. It's all the same.

I treat the girls I visit with respect and courtesy and some of them I'd call friends. But both sides know that the relationship exists only as long as I am with them and all I owe them is some money at the end of it, with maybe a decent tip for a job well done.

[pd5070]

I haven't seen but two escorts but I try to see them as soon as they get in town or first thing in the morning because I am only into oral sex and I love for the girl to cum and even though I can cum 4 -5 times I don't expect her to. But why do girls get made if you askk how many guys has she seen that day? I ask so I can know if she will be able to cum or not.

[MacShreach]

why do girls get mad if you ask how many guys has she seen that day? I ask so I can know if she will be able to cum or not.(edited sp)

Because that's one of the no-no questions you just don't ask. Sorry but that's the way it is. The girl may be a whore but she still wants to be treated like a lady.

What you need to do is make your requirement (that she can cum) clear in the pre-sex negotiation phase, using some more delicate language. Explain that seeing her cum is a big turn-on and you are specifically looking for that.

This cumming business is actually pretty difficult for t-girls. Any decent GG whore can and will fake a hell of an orgasm. Many GG whores will actually cum if you treat them right and they feel relaxed with you, probably most. I've known some who were multi-orgasmic.

However it's a bit more tricky for the pre-op t-girl, as you know, not just because of the number of clients but other factors such as her mood, her hormones, whether you actually arouse her or not and in your scenario, whether she finds it easy to cum from oral stimulation only. A lot don't. And many girls, GG or TG, don't really relax with a man until they get to know him. This applies just as much to pros as it does to amateurs. And a pre-op t-girl can't just turn on a great big fake orgasm on demand. (Post-ops count as GG for this purpose.)

You're relatively new to this hobby; it takes a while to get a feel for it. However if you keep it up you will sooner or later find girls who meet your requirements and you will probably become a regular. This basically solves the problem.

[spooker609]

Those of you who see escorts: Do you ever get disappointed? For example, say you are a top and you go see a girl and all you get is a BJ. Does that suck? yes

Allso, say you are a bottom and you see a girl and all you get is to BJ her a little and wank off while you do it. Is that a bummer? yes

Do you find that with more girls than not, the service is only a blow job or somehow related to oral sex? yes

Would you prefer a TS post in her ad if she is a top or bottom, etc? yes


I noticed that most girls say versatile, but in fact they lean toward one or the other.

For me, if I was to escort, I would do it as a bottom only. Why? Well please see my posting on hairy asses. Also, I think, at the risk of sounding catty, the thought of seeing first timer bottoms scares the fuck out of me. I tried to top once professionally off screen and I got a terrible surprise. Being a clean freak I am sure you guys can only imagine. I'm sorry but fuck that. Even guys I work with on screen have issues and they are experienced. However, strangely, no girl or TS I've worked with on screen has ever had an issue. Why do you suppose this is?
But in a real world bf/gf relationship is your ideal man total top, bottom or versatile, I would think most men who want to be with a TS want to at least give her a BJ otherwise why not just date GG's they're alot more plentifull. And I seriously would like many peoples thoughts on that ??


I just think bottoming is something I can control better. Condoms? Check. Ultra double whammy porn star enema completed? Check. Deep tight warm asspussy? Check. I mean stuff like mutual oral is OK and from what I understand most guys just want to suck on girls things anyway. I just want to know if you ever walk away from a mutual oral date and say, "damn, I wish x, y, and z had happened".

Also, for bottoms who like sucking cock: Does it bother you when the girl doesn't cum? I mean most girls on tour are seeing 4-10 guys a day. You can't expect her to cum that many times can you? yes thats a bummer, I mean you kinda like having that payoff at the end for some guys they may actually like the taste ?? But I think it's mostly an ego thing about getting the other person off.

Consider this recon.

Vicki

Alot of the questions you asked are some of the very reasons I don't see escorts, that and where I live they are very few and very far between. But to shell out $300 or more and not get what I want......
I've posted before about Meghan Chavalier, I've fantasised about her for years and she lives within an hour or so drive, but I'd rather not ruin one of my best go to fantasies by catching her on a bad day or something. I'm a decent looking guy and I do ok in the hook-up dept.
Well anyway hope all this made some sense, It's early....

[freak]

TS escorts let there customers down more often then not. I have seen many and I would say I am disappointed more often then I am satisfied. I would say 70% of the time, I have been lied to about what is offered, there size, there functional, there ability to cum and even the price. I have seen girls who smelled bad, were not clean, had messy hair and filthy apartments. There is very little pride in the TS escort community in the service they offer, not all but many. Girls refuse to let guys review them, they get rude on chat boards like this one and make fun of the "losers or tricks". Too many of the girls put them selfs on a goddess level, they are so stuck on them selfs they feel guys should be grateful to pay just to able to get ripped off.

[jimbobw2]

there are some sorry hookers in cousins. I would be afraid


As most know, I LOVE shemale escorts. I have been with some of the most beautiful shemales on earth (in my opinion only, lol!)

I believe that you get what you pay for. If you only pay a girl $100 or less, then a BJ is about all you're gonna get or should get. If you fork over $200+ then the full course deal should be offered.

The only time I ended up only duing mutual bbbjs was with Raquel Reyes a few years ago. It was mutual bbbjs and I paid $250. That was WAY too much for a bbbj and I was rather disappointed, but not devastated as she did cum in my mouth and me in hers. She gave me a BS excuse about my dick being too big for her asshole which is totally not the case cause many shemales have taking me all the way in like champs!

That being said, I would only be disappointed if I "over-paid" for a bbbj.

[TJ347]

Lol what about the guys that blow their top to fast cause they are so excited just to be with an attractive TS for the first time :lol:

Then you take that into consideration, read the situation, and don't deliberately do it. It's unfair on the guys, and poking fun at them isn't a good way to have the nice ones come through your door, who are often petrified and nevous anyway. All they're doing is exploring themselves.

I had a guy today and he was lovely. Yes, he did ejaculate within minutes. But I don't view my time as just being about sex, I wouldn't want to. We talked for 20-minutes, then I did it again. :D

Some of these guys are just genuinely exploring themselves, and taking the piss out of them is a horrible and very shallow thing to do. They may be guys, but they still have feelings. And they do talk to each other.Thanks for explaining that Alison :)

That that even needed to be said tells me alot, particularly since I recall you saying that you escort. Be nice to see what your clients think about your "customer service" skills... and nice to know if you get any repeat business.

[TJ347]

Girls refuse to let guys review them, they get rude on chat boards like this one and make fun of the "losers or tricks". Too many of the girls put them selfs on a goddess level, they are so stuck on them selfs they feel guys should be grateful to pay just to able to get ripped off.

LMAO! Attractive TGs seem to be like a pretty girl I remember from my ninth grade History class. She was soft-spoken and kind, but then somebody told her she was pretty, and by tenth grade, she was prancing around like she was a supermodel, and was completely unapproachable. I'm not trying to say that all attractive TGs are bitches, by any means. But if you check the various threads around here, it's clear that more than a few definitely are. Just calling it like I read it...

[goldensamba]

I have noticed the same attitude. Then you will hear those same girls say guys only see them as a fantasy to live out. I would appraoch any TG as I would a GG if the attitude was different.

I don't have anything to add on the escort part of the discussion. I have never and will never pay for sex.

[tsntx]

:roll:

[TJ347]

I have noticed the same attitude. Then you will hear those same girls say guys only see them as a fantasy to live out. I would appraoch any TG as I would a GG if the attitude was different.

I don't have anything to add on the escort part of the discussion. I have never and will never pay for sex.

Many have argued that everyone pays for sex, but that's a subject for another day. Anyway, yes, you're quite right. These same girls complain of being seen as an object of fantasy, cry about how they want a "real" relationship, and then wonder why when and if they manage to get into a relationship, it doesn't last, oblivious to the fact their bitchiness is a major turn-off throughout. Modeling your behavior after Paris Hilton is not a good look, ladies. Remember what they say about first impressions...

[62des]

Wow! I didn't know escorts see 4-10 guys a DAY! That's gross as hell! I doubt she brushes her teeth after every client. That's a big ass slap in my face! That would make it better to schedule early in the morning that way your chance of being first is more likely.

[bklynboy]

Well, Vicky, its like this.

For some reason gals don't want good guys. They vote on us by who is the most handsome or rugged. Or has the most money. Or can do the most for them. Love and trust are partnerships. I know, I was involved with a TS for four long years and I loved her as an equal mate. The behavior I have seen in today's society, be they T Girls or others makes me puke. Its What Have You Done For Me Lately? Guess what? I'm done playing those games.

I'm not justifying paying for sex, but well, that's just the way it is.

[goldensamba]

Lol what about the guys that blow their top to fast cause they are so excited just to be with an attractive TS for the first time :lol:

Then you take that into consideration, read the situation, and don't deliberately do it. It's unfair on the guys, and poking fun at them isn't a good way to have the nice ones come through your door, who are often petrified and nevous anyway. All they're doing is exploring themselves.

I had a guy today and he was lovely. Yes, he did ejaculate within minutes. But I don't view my time as just being about sex, I wouldn't want to. We talked for 20-minutes, then I did it again. :D

Some of these guys are just genuinely exploring themselves, and taking the piss out of them is a horrible and very shallow thing to do. They may be guys, but they still have feelings. And they do talk to each other.Thanks for explaining that Alison :)

That that even needed to be said tells me alot, particularly since I recall you saying that you escort. Be nice to see what your clients think about your "customer service" skills... and nice to know if you get any repeat business.

Seriously....this is not rocket science. You treat people well and they do the same to you whether you are an escort, a ditch digger or a corporate executive. Karma is a bitch and it will definitely come back to you if you do someone wrong.

[bklynboy]

Vicky:

Ordinary, well respecting and well-meaning folk like me don't stand a chance with you. Just a fact of life.