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[BARBIENIKKIXTRAVA]

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[TomSelis]

Damn, sorry to hear that.

Hope she gets better soon!!

[specialk]

Very sad, very disturbing...hope she recovers and the scummers get what they deserve :smh

[popperluv]

Thank god she is ok!

Now who the hell are the fuckers who did this!

Can she describe her attackers, what did they look like?

[Coroner]

wtf?! hope she gets better soon, this is damn sad.....

[flabbybody]

fucking horrible.
I thought she was living in London doing really well after appearing in that TV show.
hope she gets better soon.

[a994]

Man this has turned out to be a bad week. :cry:

Barbie, next time you visit Miriam, PLEASE tell her we at HA are praying for her and for her full recovery. Nobody deserves this kind of despicable, cowardly treatment.

May the Lord Jesus forgive those two "men" who did this to her, because I sure can't right now.

GET WELL, MIRIAM.

[Azanti]

Bad week, is the understatement of the year.

I am sure I speak for many if not everyone here when I ask you to please pass on our best wishes and thoughts for a speedy recovery.

Tell her the big stuffed Teddy Bear is from me. :lol:

[yodajazz]

We care. I pray for speedy healing and for justice against those who did it. I know that God, by what ever name you call him is surrounding Miriam right now with our love and he has the power to heal all wounds.

[wombat33]

HEY EVERYONE, I REGRET TO INFORM ALL OF YOU THAT , SOMETHING TRAGIC HAPPENED TO MIRIAM XTRAVAGANZA ---EARLIER
THIS WEEK , SHE WAS PUSHED OUT OF A 4TH STORY WINDOW , SHE IS STILL ALIVE ,THANKK GOD!!!!, BUT SHE IS VERY BAD SHAPE, BROKEN BONES, INTERNAL BLEEDING AND HEAD TRAUMA, SHE IS IN STABLE CONDITION MIRACULOUSLY, BUT WAS IN CRITICAL AND UNCONCIOUS WHEN SHE WAS BROUGHT IN BY PARADEMICS THAT RUSHED HER TO the hospital ,I IDENTIFIED HER IMMEDIATLY WHEN I SAW HER--PLEASE SAY A PRAYER FOR HER!!, AS FOR THE INCIDENT --ALL I KNOW -- IT WAS A CLIENT THAT TRIED TO ROB HER, AND HE OPENED THE DOOR AND ANOTHER GUY WALKED IN , THEY ASKED FOR HER MONEY , THEN ALL SHE KNEW SHE WAS THROWN OUT THE WINDOW, SO SHE SAID TO ME , I AM ALL MIRIAM HAS HERE --I WAS THE ONLY ONE SHE REALLY TALKED TO AND CHILLED WITH , SHE IS A GOOD PERSON AND HAS A BIG HEART -IF U ONLY KNEW !!! -IM WRITING THIS ALSO TO SET THE STORY STR8 OF ANY FALSE RUMORS U MIGHT HERE ABOUT HER GETTING SHOT--CAUSE THIS WAS THE STORY I GOT WHEN I FIRST HEARD WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY ! ---
SHE IS NOT ALLOWED ANY VISITORS, AND SHE DOESNT WANT ANYONE TO SEE HER THIS WAY ! I WILL BE THERE EVERYDAY --TO CHECK ON HER , FEED HER, AND MAKE HER LAUGH , -
PLEASE GIRLS BE VERY CAREFUL--I WILL TALK TO THE DETECTIVES LATER TO FIND OUT MORE ON THE STORY AND IF THE GUYS WERE CAUGHT !!!!
LOVE EACH OTHER --DONT FIGHT WITH ONE ANOTHER !
LETS REMEMBER MIRIAM THIS WAY !!! HOPE SHE GETS WELL SOON !


PERHAPS YOU CAN PRINT OUT ALL OF THESE RESPONSES AND GIVE THEM TO HER IN A CARD OR SOMETHING AND LET HER KNOW THAT EVEN PEOPLE SHE HAS NEVER MET, CARE ABOUT HER, ARE PULLING FOR HER AND SEND THIER LOVE, SUPPORT, AND PRAYERS.

IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO RAISE FUNDS TO HELP FOR THE BILLS? PLEASE LET US KNOW.

SEND HER OUR ABSOLUTE BEST.

[yodajazz]

PERHAPS YOU CAN PRINT OUT ALL OF THESE RESPONSES AND GIVE THEM TO HER IN A CARD OR SOMETHING AND LET HER KNOW THAT EVEN PEOPLE SHE HAS NEVER MET, CARE ABOUT HER, ARE PULLING FOR HER AND SEND THIER LOVE, SUPPORT, AND PRAYERS.

IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO RAISE FUNDS TO HELP FOR THE BILLS? PLEASE LET US KNOW.

SEND HER OUR ABSOLUTE BEST.

Great, ideas Wombat. I never met her, but I have talked to friends about her in the past about her reality show in England, who were not into 'the lifestyle' like our Forum members. The show is gone but clips are still floating around on YourTube. She is still very real to us here.

[NYCe]

Curious edit.

[BrendaQG]

:what :whoa Is this for real? A 4th story window? Damm.

I hope and pray they catch whoever would do that and punish them for attempted murder. I hope she is being treated well by that hospital staff. If the OP really knows her they should be there making sure she is not being mistreated, seriously. :| Hospital staff have a way of neglecting certain people (poor people, people they think no one cares about, etc.) to death. :|

It's already a miracle that she is not dead.

[trannylover_york]

My best wishes for a speedy recovery to her!

Hope they get the scum!

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

This is indeed very disturbing and sad thing to have happen to her. No tgirl deserves to be thrown out of a window. I'll be praying that she gets well and recuperate fast so she can file a case againts these fucktards..and hopefully identify her attackers so that they get punished! :evil:

~Kisses.

HTG

[GroobySteven]

Anybody else got any confirmation on this?
Like NYCe I to am curious as to why the post was edited.

Thanks - pm me if you don't want to post publically or email at admin@grooby.com - will try to find out more also.

seanchai

[BrendaQG]

IF this is real it will eventually make some news. Within a week. How big I cannot say. But a person who was on TV in many countries being thrown out a window and (god willing she survives) almost killed will not go unnoticed even in big busy NY.

I have tried searching websites of various NY newspapers and TV stations. So far not even a whisper.

[chefmike]

:?:

[Ecstatic]

Two responses: very sad and a despicable act if it did happen; my sympathies are with Miriam and I hope she recovers fully and quickly.

But given the edit--I wouldn't know the story if wombat hadn't quoted the original post--I have to wonder, and on the one hand hope it isn't true and on the other wonder why on earth anyone would perpetrate such a story if it isn't true.

[yodajazz]

Man this has turned out to be a bad week. :cry:

Barbie, next time you visit Miriam, PLEASE tell her we at HA are praying for her and for her full recovery. Nobody deserves this kind of despicable, cowardly treatment.

May the Lord Jesus forgive those two "men" who did this to her, because I sure can't right now.

GET WELL, MIRIAM.

im just curious, why do u want ur lord jesus to forgive him if u cant? why in the face of a girl thrown out a window do u insist upon them gettign forgiveness? u religious people crack me up...thats ur priority? a fuckin girl is perhaps disabled and got shoved out a window and ur hoping ur lord forgives the two men? how fuckin insulting to anything thats good and decent on this earth...ur lord jesus? u do realize ur just praying to a dead jew on a stick, right?

According to my level of understanding, forgiveness doesn't do that much to the people who did the wrong. It works internally so that while we strongly disapprove of what they did, we lessen the terrible acid of hate within our own bodies. I truly believe that carrying these negative emotions so heavy messes with our immune systems. People then develope things like cancer. I am not saying that is the only cause of cancer. I'm saying that the hateful emotions these crimes cause with in us hurt within our own bodies. Forgiveness actually frees the person asking for it, (to forgive someone else), who feels it, not the criminal.

Also, I believe those people will certainly be caught, if not right away, then they will do other wrongs until they are caught. Whether you believe in God or not, I call it God's law. Call it whatever you want, we know it's the truth about those criminals.

PS. I did not catch the edit at first, because I read tthe original. Please give us all an update, someone?

[tsntx]

Curious edit.

yeah agreed... w/ a story like that.... why would you delete it?

[Solitary Brother]

I dont believe this is true......I hope this is just a hoax.
If this is TRUE then someone like Allanah can confirm it to be true.
The poster goes by the name "BARBIENIKKIXTRAVA".
The only person who fits that description is Nikki Xtravaganza and Allanah and other girls KNOW her and can CONFIRM this rumour.
I really hope this is false.

ALLANAH can you CONFIRM this?

[tsntx]

wow youre a regular shirlock holmes... great detective skills... the fact that "nikki" is hidden in the middle of barbie and xxxtravaganza can only lead to mean one thing.... mystery...

*dramatic conclusion music plays in background*

[chefmike]

wow youre a regular shirlock holmes... great detective skills... the fact that "nikki" is hidden in the middle of barbie and xxxtravaganza can only lead to mean one thing.... mystery...

*dramatic conclusion music plays in background*

LMFAO

What's up, Jen?

Do you remember geekmeat?

You can call him Solitary Brother now...

[happyjack]

it's true,i know ...however,did anyone ever think that the criminals might be on here lirking?

[Solitary Brother]

haha, hi hun, he is a true nancy drew...right after the anna nicole thingy he went on a tirade against howard k stern...what a stretch, i never heard a good word said about that creep, but i started liking him after i saw how much solitary hated him;) welcome back, looking yum as always:)

Even g-d hates.........so Im in good company.
You accuse me of being an ass kisser but your lips are QUITE puckered thank you very much.
They should institute a new rule saying EVERYONE should post their picture in their avatar.
Maybe THEN you woudnt be so emotional.
Have a blessed day!

[Solitary Brother]

wow youre a regular shirlock holmes... great detective skills... the fact that "nikki" is hidden in the middle of barbie and xxxtravaganza can only lead to mean one thing.... mystery...

*dramatic conclusion music plays in background*

I still have access to Moni and she might like to come back and read you fiercely........AGAIN!

By the way your no longer the IT girl so dont be so fierce already.

Good day!

[BrendaQG]

it's true,i know ...however,did anyone ever think that the criminals might be on here lirking?

No. Because the criminals are probably to dumb to operate a computer.

If you know it's true please tell us more.

[chefmike]

wow youre a regular shirlock holmes... great detective skills... the fact that "nikki" is hidden in the middle of barbie and xxxtravaganza can only lead to mean one thing.... mystery...

*dramatic conclusion music plays in background*

I still have access to Moni and she might like to come back and read you fiercely........AGAIN!

By the way your no longer the IT girl so dont be so fierce already.

Good day!

BWAAAAHAAAHAAHA!!

What's up geekmeat? Or do you prefer sebastion, drama queen...

How's that whole ballroom thing workin out for you nowadays, geekster?

[chefmike]

I still have access to Moni

ROTFLMFAO!

I still have access to Moni...

Uh huh...you and anyone else with 20 bucks or a couple of rocks...

[tsntx]

wow youre a regular shirlock holmes... great detective skills... the fact that "nikki" is hidden in the middle of barbie and xxxtravaganza can only lead to mean one thing.... mystery...

*dramatic conclusion music plays in background*

I still have access to Moni and she might like to come back and read you fiercely........AGAIN!

By the way your no longer the IT girl so dont be so fierce already.

Good day!

you know i saw a "ruby tuesdays" commercial today and thought of her... hope they still hold her seat... and there was never a before so there cant be an "again" but ah thnx :D

[tsntx]

I still have access to Moni

ROTFLMFAO!

I still have access to Moni...

Uh huh...you and anyone else with 20 bucks or a couple of rocks...

i have a used bloody needle from some crackhead off the street and a 2 ghetto losers for the price of a 1 at ruby tuesdays coupon... how much access can i get w/ that...

[chefmike]

I still have access to Moni

ROTFLMFAO!

I still have access to Moni...

Uh huh...you and anyone else with 20 bucks or a couple of rocks...

i have a used bloody needle from some crackhead off the street and a 2 ghetto losers for the price of a 1 at ruby tuesdays coupon... how much access can i get w/ that...

LMFAO...what are the odds?

You drop in, Jen... and then geekmeat is stupid enough to weigh in....now there's a shocker...and bring up moroni, aka the beast from b'more...deja fuckin voodoo... :lol: 8)

PS - geekmeat...please don't scurry off just yet... :P

[yodajazz]

thankfully the people who need to use their heads for work didnt graduate from ur school of thought...weak minded people need logic and order in this world so they can use fate and karma and other bullshit words as a crutch...the world is nothing but a random series of events...thats why kids get raped, mobsters may live well, sweethearts get killed and dictators get away with it....it makes no sense...and trying to make sense of it is like spitting in a rape victims face and saying u deserved this, its all part of a plan and meant to have occured...im not saying carry around baggage from hating criminals..but cmon, be honest about his statement about his lord forgiving them...he didnt mean any of that...his lord jesus is simply the adults version of santa...

While I would say there is some randomness to life, the world and human behavior typically follow patterns. For example all socieites develope some kind of 'criminal justice system' for people that represent a threat to society. Even animals will kick someone out of their group for certain transgressions.

Plus I think you are confusing temporary results with long term ones. Yes kids get raped, but many who do that go to prison. And even within the prison population they exact additional justice for child rapists, quite often. A dictator might be doing good with the bad, like keeping is nation stable, allowing many people to be safe and prosper. Some criminals prosper temporarily because they are actually giving people a product that they want such as drugs, or prostitutes for example. People that do good, often live on after their death as a positive example to the living, if only to thier friends and relatives.

Random is a series of events that have no pattern. Life has patterns down to the molecular level.

[wendy48088]

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[wendy48088]

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[popperluv]

Where did this happen?

A decription of the attackers should be posted so the other girls can protect themselves.

[BrendaQG]

That is totally wrong way to read it. This was a roberry pure and simple. Since she does not advertise so far as anyone knows I recon that whoever she was with was a long time client. Or someone known by a long time client.

They were interreupted by a third person who was simply there to rob her, this is a cash and carry business. We make tempting targets just for that reason.

Last I don't like your judgemental tone of this adult enterprise. It is the last refuge of the desperate. I can attest to the fact personally that it has nothing to do with one's qualifications of decisions in life. The very fact one is a TS can keep them from getting a job. Any good even moderatly paying job is going to do a background check and even with all paper's changed.....your past will be found out.

We can't all wait until we are 51.

[ILuvGurls]

as they say " something is rotten in Denmark".....i guess we will see how all this plays out.

if true, all the best for a speedy recovery.

[wendy48088]

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[BrendaQG]

Edited to say

This is an inherently risky business. There is no reasonable security measur that can protect you once a man has you pinned to the bed.

[Coroner]

wow, this turned into a CSI investigation :)

[Quinn]

wow youre a regular shirlock holmes... great detective skills... the fact that "nikki" is hidden in the middle of barbie and xxxtravaganza can only lead to mean one thing.... mystery...

*dramatic conclusion music plays in background*

I still have access to Moni and she might like to come back and read you fiercely........AGAIN!


ROTFLMAO........ One loser, who was banned and had to crawl back with another ID, has access to an even bigger loser, who was also banned and had to crawl back with another ID. What could be funnier?

Today's word, boys and girls, is "sad." Can you say "sad," boys and girls?

-Quinn

[wendy48088]

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[BrendaQG]

In Chicago tonite it's snowing, sleeting and were's getting freezing rain. You might want to reconsider going out because about 11:00- 12:00 this weather will be yours. Baring a pretty good offer I ain't goin no place.

What to say about you wendy. I just have to ask what are you doing here? You seem to be here just to deride the people who post here. Or to preach to people you have little to nothing in common with.

You just don't get it do you. I have a Bachelors of Science degree major in Physics minor in Mathematics. I have had trouble in graduate school but am still well on track to get a PhD before I am 28. With all of that I cannot get a job. I mean anyjob at all. I was offered a job with statefarm insurance and that job offer was withdrawn. I was actually hired by a company that works on developing x-ray microsopes. I would be in sunny florida right now if that had gone through. This guy even knew I was a TS and still hired then unhired me. WTH!

The basic message of the womens liberation movement was that having or not having a penis does not determine ones abilities. It is no different for transsexuals. pre-op or post op.

Furthermore if you want some love for your attitude that post-op's are somehow more valid this is the wrong place to seek it.

Edited to add:
The reason I mention my education in this message is to make the point that it is not our "life choices", are not totally at fault for our financial situations as younger TS's. Transphobia takes a huge toll regardless of one's qualifications.

[Coroner]

In Chicago tonite it's snowing, sleeting and were's getting freezing rain. You might want to reconsider going out because about 11:00- 12:00 this weather will be yours. Baring a pretty good offer I ain't goin no place.

What to say about you wendy. I just have to ask what are you doing here? You seem to be here just to deride the people who post here. Or to preach to people you have little to nothing in common with.

You just don't get it do you. I have a Bachelors of Science degree major in Physics minor in Mathematics. I have had trouble in graduate school but am still well on track to get a PhD before I am 28. With all of that I cannot get a job. I mean anyjob at all. I was offered a job with statefarm insurance and that job offer was withdrawn. I was actually hired by a company that works on developing x-ray microsopes. I would be in sunny florida right now if that had gone through. This guy even knew I was a TS and still hired then unhired me. WTH!

The basic message of the womens liberation movement was that having or not having a penis does not determine ones abilities. It is no different for transsexuals. pre-op or post op.

Furthermore if you want some love for your attitude that post-op's are somehow more valid this is the wrong place to seek it.

Edited to add:
The reason I mention my education in this message is to make the point that it is not our "life choices", are not totally at fault for our financial situations as younger TS's. Transphobia takes a huge toll regardless of one's qualifications.

Grats, Brenda, a scientist-TS :claps sorry to read u´ve been unhired :(

[GroobySteven]

he Lord Jesus Christ came as God's sacrifice for sin. Those who reject Him will be judged by God for their sins. It all works out.

Contrary to popular belief, not everyone goes to Heaven. God decides that.

From mean evil hateful people to the sweetest kindest people, All the Popes and Presidents and Kings throughout time, and in fact all the people who ever lived... We are all going to stand before God on judgement day to give an account of our lives.




Someone needs to throw you out of a window to knock some sense into you.
seanchai

[Coroner]

:lol:

[chefmike]

The Lord Jesus Christ came as God's sacrifice for sin. Those who reject Him will be judged by God for their sins. It all works out.

Contrary to popular belief, not everyone goes to Heaven. God decides that.

From mean evil hateful people to the sweetest kindest people, All the Popes and Presidents and Kings throughout time, and in fact all the people who ever lived... We are all going to stand before God on judgement day to give an account of our lives.

[chefmike]

The Lord Jesus Christ came as God's sacrifice for sin. Those who reject Him will be judged by God for their sins. It all works out.

Contrary to popular belief, not everyone goes to Heaven. God decides that.

From mean evil hateful people to the sweetest kindest people, All the Popes and Presidents and Kings throughout time, and in fact all the people who ever lived... We are all going to stand before God on judgement day to give an account of our lives.

[BrendaQG]

If she were born in Iran she would quote the verse in the Quran that says that "Anyone who belives in (the one god) and the last day will go to heaven."

One really has to wonder just what wendy is doing here if the TS's here bother her so much.

[happyjack]

it's true,i know ...however,did anyone ever think that the criminals might be on here lirking?

No. Because the criminals are probably to dumb to operate a computer.

If you know it's true please tell us more.

thanks for one of the stupidest comments ive ever heard,you ignorant slut...to dumb to operate computers?just like the ones who steal id's and commit computer crimes or child porn?god,i cant stand ignorant people..

[BrendaQG]

@happyjack
Ignorant slut? :lol: I'll ignore that I'm in a good mood today.

The kind of criminals that steal people's ID's and take out credit cards don't usually go out and rob people or throw them out of windows. One kind prefere's a hands off kind of deal, the other likes to get their hands dirty. One kind is a thinking crook, the other is a mindless brute. I think there is a huge difference in the personality types.

Second if you know more details please do tell. Not everyone here lives in Manhattan, or has any way of knowing the situation other than what we may read here.

On a curious and more productive note

I thought to check the police blotters of various NY newspapers. Thinking that people don't get thrown out of windows every single day there. I have only gotten to the NY post so far, nothing. Paper's in Chicago can and do list basically every near fatality in the city (if the murder rate is about 150 that's less than one a day, not hard to do at all). :-/ :-\

I'll just take your word for this happening.

[tsntx]

[quote="BrendaQG"]

The basic message of the womens liberation movement was that having or not having a penis does not determine ones abilities. It is no different for transsexuals. pre-op or post op.
quote]

totally agree ... thats like saying if you go post-op youre 100% passable... totally wrong assumption... ppl dont know what youre packing before your naked and assume youre TS based on 100s of other physical characteristics before they even get you home... so post op or not... doesnt validate you anymore as a woman....

[wendy48088]

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[BrendaQG]

search this board and you will find many places where I have said exactly the same thing. Me incenssantly mentioneing the fact that apparently Mohammed and his wives knew some people like us and he never did punish them for being gender variant.

>:-|

But what does any of that tripe have to do with a lady that was thrown out of a window who you seemed to deride even as she was lying in a hospital bed.

[ASSETERIA]

[quote="wombat33
NIKKKI U WERE THE FIRST PERSON I TRIED TO WRITE ON MYSPACE WHEN I HEARD , BUT MY COMPUTER KEPT BUMPN ME OFF AT YOUR SITE. OMG I CRIED FOR 3 DAAYS. I HEARD SHE WAS DEAD. OMG. THEN I HEARD SHE WAS IN VEG-LIKE COMA...IT'S ME ELENI ...write me at myspace privately and tell me moree and pleas please tell her i love her. i definitely am one that made her laugh. if ou guys need anything TELL ME..... xoxoxoxoxxo prayers and thoughts are with you, miriam. i ove you.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well if this were true it's quite sad the drama that has partaken with in the thread. However you think it would get some kind of publicity being who Miriam is once in the spotlight always in the spotlight.

[wendy48088]

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[MrsKellyPierce]

(Selected quotes)



...You just don't get it do you. I have a Bachelors of Science degree major in Physics minor in Mathematics. I have had trouble in graduate school but am still well on track to get a PhD before I am 28. With all of that I cannot get a job. I mean any job at all. I was offered a job with State Farm insurance and that job offer was withdrawn. I was actually hired by a company that works on developing x-ray microsopes. I would be in sunny florida right now if that had gone through. This guy even knew I was a TS and still hired then unhired me...

Sorry Brenda. I figured you probably worked in a lab or taught Physics in a University somewhere in the Chicago area, and were transitioning on the job.



...What to say about you wendy. I just have to ask what are you doing here? You seem to be here just to deride the people who post here. Or to preach to people you have little to nothing in common with...


I found this site by doing a search for Sylvia Boots (after having read something about her going to prison for a long time - figured it was drugs, was surprised to find out she shot another girl like herself as a result of an ongoing fight). I just had to sign up so I could add my 2 cents to the message thread and went from there.

All the TSs here post some pretty interesting and well thought out comments. Good evidence that TSs are some of the brightest people.

I certainly do have my own opinions. Whether I'm loved or not for them is not important to me. Nice to read intelligent reaction to them here though.



One really has to wonder just what wendy is doing here if the TS's here bother her so much.


To bug you.

Seriously...

Religious opinion wise, doing an online Bible search for "eunuch" brings up many verses, the great majority of which seem to present them in a positive light - having them as trusted assistants to the King or Queen (as in Acts 8:27: "So he started out, and on his way he met an Ethiopian eunuch, an important official in charge of all the treasury of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians...").

I figure that in many cases, these eunuches were the Old Testament versions of TS people (back then when the SRS operation was done a bit more primitively, I can't imagine a young boy volunteering for that position unless they had a strong case of Gender Identity Disorder). Although some were made that way against their will (captured sons of a defeated king, etc.) I'm guessing that not all of them were. So because of the apparent positive references in the Bible, I figure that God knows what a TS is, and being TS is not a problem with Him. (Yeah, I am referring to God is a guy - others can feel free to disagree...)

So it seems silly to me for TSs to hate God because they think God hates them, perhaps because some people are running around saying "God Hates Fags" does not make it so. I just don't like to see people reject God / Jesus Christ out of hand. We're all imperfect people anyway.

But what do I know.

I'll leave you to your regularly scheduled channel, and people can go back to chatting about whatever they were chatting about here before I barged in.

I wish you (and all the others) the very best. Wendy not to bust your bubble, but people find many reasons to turn against the bible and God not just for being gay or ts. But because of the judgements and biggotry. People hide behind God for Hate, which is pathetic and not christian to say the least.

I believe in God, but I do not believe in formed religion.
Especially when the church it self uses the bible for hate.
It's disgusting, and was not intended.

[suckseed]

So....anyone know anything? Is this story true? :(