how about a prayer for the rest of us?!

[Toro]

I hate politics, so maybe that gives me a blind perspective on the election but I see this as black and white. Kerry was more accepted by the global community. And the 'blue states' he won represent the braintrust and more cosmopolitan areas of the country - NYC, Boston, Chicago, California, etc. So it's fair to say that of the 6 billion people in the world, roughly 5.94 billion would have preferred Kerry to win. And if you don't think that's relevant - meaning you are one of the 60 million in the world minority on this one - you'll never understand the only way we can possibly go another generation without becoming extinct. And that carries for both stem cell research and better relations with the other people who live on this planet.

[TexasTman]

Toro- put down the crack pipe and get real. To imply that the whole rest of the world would have voted for Kerrey is one of the most assinine statements I have ever heard.

And as far as extinction in the next generation, here again, you are smoking meth. If we don't stand up and weed out the terrorist cowards and show them that we will not stand for their cowardly acts then they will just continue to attack us. Just like the bully on the playground, he will pick on everyone until people stand up for themselves.

It is only with a strong resolve to fight these pussies on our terms and on their turf that we can become a SAFER nation. Unfortunately we will never be entirely safe again because this is the world we live in! But sticking our head in the sand like many people (read:Kerrey) want us to do, would only be inviting more terrorist attacks on all sorts of unimaginable levels.

[scipio]

Nice one. Makes lots of sense to weed out the "Terrorist cowards" in Iraq - where, guess what..... there weren't any !! Until Bush invaded.
You have been duped and it's amazing that you don't see right through it. And yes, the rest of the world do think Bush is a warmongering idiot under someone else's control.
But go ahead and continue to celebrate 4 more years of the erosion of your civil liberties under the guise of a fictitious "terrorist" threat. Yeehah!

[TexasTman]

bleeding heart, oh bleeding heart. It is the liberal media that has grabbed a hold of your malleable little mind!

[Toro]

It is only with a strong resolve to fight these pussies on our terms and on their turf that we can become a SAFER nation. Unfortunately we will never be entirely safe again because this is the world we live in! But sticking our head in the sand like many people (read:Kerrey) want us to do, would only be inviting more terrorist attacks on all sorts of unimaginable levels.

Lots of very clever drug references in your message, TexasCROMAGNONman. I'm not really sure how they're supposed to fit, since my message makes entirely more sense than yours in a practical sense.

Your pseudo-intellectual bullshit stinks like the inside of your goofy cowboy hat. Here's one of your better ones:

"I like money and I want to keep as much of what I have earned as possible. kerrey may not affect the tax bracket that you are in but he sure as hell will mine."

LOL. I am in your tax bracket, Billy Bob. And I think Bush is the anti-Christ. And as far as culture goes, New York is called 'the melting pot' because people of all different cultures and races settled and live here. Is that finally clear to you - remember...the melting pot thing? Most New Yorkers came here from somewhere else. Could you possibly be a little more defensive about what people seem to think about you and the 'red state' people?

So listen buddy, I see yer so-called intellect, culture, IQ ... and I'll raise you my bank account and spelling. 'priveledge', 'Kerrey'? The latter was only in the friggin news every day for the past two years. Where did you go to school, Texas?

You even sound like Bush - "weed out the terrorist cowards". Should we 'smoke 'em out of their holes'? That tactic doesn't seem to be working yet.

[magic9inch]

texastman, the super money hungry redneck

[AllanahStarrNYC]

AMAZING.
In New York were we suffered the terrorist attacks, we voted for Kerry.
In the south and mid west were there has not been one terrorist attack people voted for bush. clearly the majority of these simple minded people
are afraid some arab is going to come to their corn field and blow them up.
Bush clearly ran a fear campaighn and had made those people scared.
I live in a high tagert city near high target landmarks.

Am I scared? No. You cant live in fear. NO ONE CAN PREVENT A TERRORIST ATTACK 100 %. U are fooling yourself if you think Mr. Bush is keeping America safe.

And let me tell you Texas, I don't know how much you travel outside the US, or if you ever have, but Most Europeans and people around the world
HATE Goerge Bush and the current US Policies, so I don't where you have been living.

You the same simple mentality that all you people who think that the US is the center of the world and the only other country in the world that matters. News to you, there are billions of other people besides Americans sweetie.

People like you are a shame. Complete and utter.

[canihavu]

And don't forget Washington, DC went 90% for Kerry and they were attacked as well. I don't know what is wrong with folks in Ohio, they lost over 200,000 jobs and they still go for Bush?!?!?!?!?!?!? Sometimes I think America has lost its freaking mind.

[magic9inch]

ohio deserves what they egt if they vote for bush, who cant get them a decent job

[TexasTman]

Toro...if you really were in the higher tax bracket and think that you would prefer the tax ramifications of having kerry in office then that makes you a blithering idiot. I won't rule that out as a possibility.

I'll see your bank account and raise you my financial statement.

And Allanah I have traveled all over the world and continue to do so. For your information a lot of the world has always been down on the USA. I traveled abroad a great deal when Clinton was president and there were plenty of people in plenty of places that despise americans for no good reason. People hate Americans for waht we have and that is our freedom and the greatest country on earth. They will hate us no matter who our president is. In case you missed the news, Bin Laden said it did not matter who was elected president, the USA would be in danger until the security of muslims could be assured.

Get Real and quit all the whining and crying...you're gonna have your mascara running all over the place!

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Texas why don't you and your back wards friends go chew on a corn husk and have sex with some sheep.

Why are you even on this board?

[TexasTman]

Allanah, it is amazing to me that you can't tolerate a person that has an opposing viewpoint. Talk about closed minded from someone that wants society to be more tolerant. HYPOCRITE!!!

I am on here because I enjoy t-girls. I never started any of these threads, In fact I think the politics in this room has gotten to be way too heated, but I am not going to idly sit around while others try to represent one side only.

Questioning why I am on this site because I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU is silly. What, you don't want me to like t-girls anymore because I voted for a republican. boo hoo

[steeveX]

well there are many that dont liek the US all over the world that is true and that was so during the clinton years as well. but let me tell you: they dont dislike the US for that we have so much, they disliek us for bigotry and double standard. once again u bought the republican propaganda. you give your wallet a higher importance than the life of thousands of humans. incredibly inhuman. the bush agenda is making life for americans ALL OVER THE WORLD more dangerous. he seeks isolation and he will get it. i currently live in austria where i work and this IS the safest place i ever have been too. without guns. with social security, nearly no homeless on the streets. YES thats part of security too. and with media showing dead iraqi civillians every friggin day. you never see that on cnn. thankfully no cable carrier here is broadcasting fox news. besides its so funny like you, texas man, obviously stil believes in that "left wing media" conspiracy theory when the vast majority of US media (tv, newspapers and talkradio) is so right wing peeps listening to it are no longer able to turn lft at the next crossroad. americans are hated in the world for their pretentiousness, not for the "greatness" of the country. but you will just see what u wanna see. eythigns greater in texas, obviously also ignorance.

[TexasTman]

Steevex_ you make some fine points but the fact the mainstream US media is liberally biased is something that is not even challenged by the liberals. Other countries do hate us because we appear pompous to many and in amny ways we are. We also are the keepers of peace in much of the world. There are many countries that would be in total chaos if not for the US. We also send more money in aid to countries in need than the rest of the world by a gigantic margin. People hate us because they envy us.

[Toro]

Toro...if you really were in the higher tax bracket and think that you would prefer the tax ramifications of having kerry in office then that makes you a blithering idiot. I won't rule that out as a possibility.

And Allanah I have traveled all over the world and continue to do so. For your information a lot of the world has always been down on the USA. I traveled abroad a great deal when Clinton was president and there were plenty of people in plenty of places that despise americans for no good reason. In case you missed the news, Bin Laden said it did not matter who was elected president, the USA would be in danger until the security of muslims could be assured.

Get Real and quit all the whining and crying...you're gonna have your mascara running all over the place!

TexasTbag - you are greedy. I am not. I could care less about sacrificing A LITTLE of my good income to further scientific stem cell research, to ensure that I'll have social security when I get to be your age, to better relations with other countries, whatever. I live well - and I am not as selfish as you. I am positive you don't contribute a dime to charity...unless you need it for a last-minute tax write-off. Country ass.

But you make an interesting point - about people in other countries despising Americans. People in other countries have always hated Americans...like YOU, who feel you are better than anyone else because you won the baby lottery and were born here; who walk around saying 'who here speaks English?!'; who are so afraid to accept or learn from different people, ideas, governments, and cultures that you're willing to stump for a dude who's a diplomatic disaster. On CNN this morning, they had a segment about how all the foreign newspapers were BASHING the shit out of Bush, or at best being neutral.

And it's you - the people who insist on pushing American values on other people, some of whom have existed long before America, and some of whom don't want American values - that Bin Laden is really addressing. We New Yorkers may end up being the victims of your red state ethnocentrism, but it's you he's warning. We 'get it' over here.

And I could give a damn about gay marriage - one way or the other. But Mississippi voted 86% against it. 86%. Now - after 9/11, I heard a story about a gay couple who had lived together for years and years, and one dude was the wife who stayed at home and took care of the housework. Well the other dude died in the attacks, and this guy could not get any survivor benefits. That's fucked up. And I am relaying this story because Texas is a lot closer to Mississippi's values than New York's. You just don't have the perspective, Hoss. You don't get it.

[AllanahStarrNYC]

NO,
I can't tolerate biggots, ignorance, neo conservatives, people who want to demolish civilt rights, and prevent others from pursuing happiness.

AND
I can not tolerate those who support that.

So you are right Texas, I can't tolerate you.
BOO HOO.

[TexasTman]

Toro...You really don't know me at all. I have worked since I was a very young boy. I have a strong work ethic. I am also very compassionate and charitable. In high school I volunteered 300 hours of community service. I went to a catholic high school where I was taught to be a "man for others". I worked in the peace corp after college for 2 years. I currently do weekly volunteer work at a hospital and have for the past 10 years. I also do volunteer work at CASA, a social service that provides services to children that live in an abusive household. I donate a great deal of money to charity and it is not for the deduction. So don't start assuming your bullshit stereotype on me.

You and I don't agree politically. You should be able to handle that. I can handle it. So now you can take your bubba and hoss and redneck monikers and shove them up your ass. That is if there is any room.

[steeveX]

allanah do u still escort?

if you do you should just from now on charge double if soem fatcat bigot republican wants to thave it up his pro family values ass

[hillbilly]

i can't handle anything. you know W would't exterminate our tgirls don't you? ah hell he probably loves em. why else would we have a VP called Dick.

[Realgirls4me]

Toro...if you really were in the higher tax bracket and think that you would prefer the tax ramifications of having kerry in office then that makes you a blithering idiot. I won't rule that out as a possibility.

I'll see your bank account and raise you my financial statement.

And Allanah I have traveled all over the world and continue to do so. For your information a lot of the world has always been down on the USA. I traveled abroad a great deal when Clinton was president and there were plenty of people in plenty of places that despise americans for no good reason. People hate Americans for waht we have and that is our freedom and the greatest country on earth. They will hate us no matter who our president is. In case you missed the news, Bin Laden said it did not matter who was elected president, the USA would be in danger until the security of muslims could be assured.

Get Real and quit all the whining and crying...you're gonna have your mascara running all over the place!

TexasTMan,

We are hated because we have so much, and yet give so little. On top of the fact that we support and have supported countries whose thug rulers run a repressive ship to boot. If you look at what we give in terms of percentage of our GDP in humanitarian aid to other countries, it is nowhere near to what other industrialized countries give. Great Britain, France, Japan, Sweden, Canada, all give far more -- far more -- in terms of a percentage of their GDP than we do. We are not the generous country the media makes us out to be, and kids in destitude second and third world countries don't get up every morning desiring freedom, as much as something to eat. "Freedom", or the envy of freedom, is the last thing on their mind when thinking of the United States.

You never responded to my queries about Kerry's taxes and your pocketbook. Again, what's a few extra negligible dollars in your pocket if the country around you is going to ruins ? A good simple analogy is what good is being able to afford the nicest car, if the tax revenue isn't there to maintain the roads ? Once more, what good is keeping a few extra bucks while your neighborhood, and thus country, become blighted with all the indicators of a two class system -- the haves and have-nots ? Retreating to a gated community doesn't change things. Nothing is free if we really want our citizens to live better than those of other countries, or haven't you figured out that ? I am always amazed at those who have utilized the public trough on some level at some point of their formative or current lives, and yet refuse to pay for it now that they made it. It's I got mine and to hell with anybody else. If you think you shouldn't have to pay taxes, then return the education a public school provided you with, build your own public roads and don't bother using any federally created freeways, and call a private cop the next time you need security of some form. It isn't about just you in other words.

... I remember reading something about billionaire Micheal Dell, founder of Dell Computer, once a few years ago. The gist of the story had to do with his complaints about the property taxes he had to pay on his newly built mansion somewhere in the state of Texas. So let me see if I have this straight: Here's a man worth around 35 billion at the time of this story complaining about high property taxes when his success was wholy derived through the work and efforts of others before him, such as the federally taxed dollars that went to schools such as MIT to research and develope computer science, along with the efforts and genius of the engineers at pioneer companies such as Xerox, which basically gave birth to the personal computer technology. Dell, like many others before him took when it was convenient and profitable, but when it came time to reciprocate, he cried poverty.

My favorite Einstein quote ties into this:

A hundred times everyday, I remind myself that my inner and outer life depend on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving.

Be an Einstein, TexasTman, not a Dell. You'll sleep better.

[TexasTman]

Realgirls4me-- you make some good points however I am a bit confused. On one hand you want the poor US citizens to live better and on the other hand you say we need to give more to the needy in other countries. What is it. Also I want you to back up the statement that we don't give as much aid relative to our GDP than other countries by a fact verified statistic. I am not agreeing with you there.

I pay taxes and I am by no means trying to avoid paying taxes. I want a fair and equitable tax system. I pay an exorbitant sum under the current program and I feel it would be unfair for me to pay more than I already do.

Regarding Dell: Just because someone has or doesn't have something does not make it right to treat them unfairly, unjustly and unequally. I am acutely aware of the Dell property tax case and he was being treated and taxed unjustly...he prevailed I might add. It is very easy to point out that because dell has so much that it should be okay for him to be discriminated against. I disagree. The wealthy are just as entilted to fairness as any other class of people. btw...Michael Dell donates tens of millions of dollars each year to worthy charities.

If I get short changed at a store do you think that I should just live with it becasue I have money?

[scipio]

bleeding heart, oh bleeding heart. It is the liberal media that has grabbed a hold of your malleable little mind!

What is wrong with being "liberal"? Why is it such a dirty word in the USA?

The good thing about having a "malleable" little mind, though, is that you can change it once in a while - but it must be great to have a fixed one and never have to think (because FOX news channel does that for you).

If a 148 IQ is a "little" mind it's too bad I'm not up there with the intellectual dynamos like yourself, who voted for Halliburt... I mean Bush.

[TexasTman]

touchee' scipio...my mind is open but not malleable. I have changed often in my political points of view. I even voted for AL Gore in the 88' presidential primaries.

You are obviuosly intelligent, therefore I assume you can agree to disagree which many people on this board can not grasp.

[TexasTman]

Toro...since you corrected my typo I will help you with yours as well.

You said " I could care less about sacrificing a little of your income"

I think you mean " I could NOT care less about sacrificing a little of your income"

[scipio]

Certainly I can assimilate a different point of view.

That said, however.... I don't think the people on this board miss what you are saying - what is so offensive is the smugness you display, coupled with the fact that the subject matter of this board is entirely anathema to W, who would factually close it down and stick us all on an island to rot if he had the chance (which he may, given 4 more years).

How do you reconcile your interest in HungAngels with your support for a fundamentally intolerant politician?

[suckseed]

What pisses me off about conservatives is how they NEVER acknowledge WHY people in Arab nations are inclined to hate us in the first place. I read an article many years ago (P.J. O'Roarke authored it I believe) that talked about how angry it made Muslims that we used their Holy City of Mecca as a military base during the first Gulf War. O'Roarke was visiting there doing an article on our troops, and rather humorously compared the average devout Muslim to our old-school Baptists who hate drinking, promiscuous sex, etc. Now, if the average older Christian American can't stand their own younger generation's relaxed attitude towards sex and drugs, how do you think the Arab world reacts to images of our relatively decadent lifestyle as portrayed by images of everything from Girls Gone Wild and porn to all our dumb-ass Rambo and Seagal films (and the even stupider straight-to-video releases that are a huge commodity over there.) If that's all they see, PLUS Al-Jezeera images of shattered little kid's bodies from our let's-poke-the-hornet's-nest little war, ON TOP OF seeing how well we live while the vast majority of the world lives in abject poverty - well - does anybody here really think it's fucking freedom they hate about us? The article said it best - they don't hate our freedom, they hate our affluence which they perceive is greatly helped by profits from the oil they live on top of, and they think they're getting the shaft.
Now. All you Kerry bashers. (And I wish I really could address them all.) When Kerry was a young man, he had the balls to go to war. Bush had Daddy make a phone call. Did you watch the debates? Kerry said we're going about it in Iraq half-assed. Our troops are being asked to do an impossible job. They're under-equipped, under-manned, and underprotected. I read an interview with Bruce Cockburn the musician who was in Iraq recently, and he said that he saw a young scared American kid riding in a lawn chair holding a machine gun in the back of a pickup. That makes my bullshit-ometer go off to read that, but, fuck, what if it's true? My point is that Kerry said we went in there unprepared for what we were stirring up. He said we went in there without adequately checking it out.
Whoever of you is talking about taxes - what the fuck are you thinking? Do you even think about the fucking third-of-a-TRILLION deficit W is leaving us with? You realize the experts are saying that this will affect us for the next FORTY years, best case scenario? Do you read history? Are you aware how many civilizations much richer and older than ours crumbled because they spent all their wealth trying to kill all their perceived enemies? Here's my bottom line - the ONLY way to coexist peacefully with all the many types of people we share this planet with is to build bridges of understanding, and stop trying to control everyone else while they try to better their own lives and their kids - which is a basic human desire, and all that the vast majority of people in any county are trying to do. Just like me and you.
My own parents support Bush. I don't hate anyone who does, but I'm extremely frustrated with all this Republicans = rednecks and Kerry supporters = communist liberal whatevers talk here and everywhere else you can read it. WE HAVE TO QUIT FIGHTING AND START LISTENING. Or else we've all got a front row seat to watching our own extremely fortunate lifestyle go down the shitter - that a lot of good people worked their asses off to create for you and I to enjoy. Poverty breeds fanatics, from Klansmen to Taliban. Education leads to birthrates dropping and people learning how to work and live better worldwide.
Imagine all the people living life in peace.

[Realgirls4me]

Realgirls4me-- you make some good points however I am a bit confused. On one hand you want the poor US citizens to live better and on the other hand you say we need to give more to the needy in other countries. What is it. Also I want you to back up the statement that we don't give as much aid relative to our GDP than other countries by a fact verified statistic. I am not agreeing with you there.

I pay taxes and I am by no means trying to avoid paying taxes. I want a fair and equitable tax system. I pay an exorbitant sum under the current program and I feel it would be unfair for me to pay more than I already do.

Regarding Dell: Just because someone has or doesn't have something does not make it right to treat them unfairly, unjustly and unequally. I am acutely aware of the Dell property tax case and he was being treated and taxed unjustly...he prevailed I might add. It is very easy to point out that because dell has so much that it should be okay for him to be discriminated against. I disagree. The wealthy are just as entilted to fairness as any other class of people. btw...Michael Dell donates tens of millions of dollars each year to worthy charities.

If I get short changed at a store do you think that I should just live with it becasue I have money?

The two are mutually exclusive from one another. Desiring Americans to live better, as in not de-institutionalized, and/or not living in the streets as it was before Reagan took office, does not take away from providing more aid to those in the Sudan right now for example. I'll look up the GDP thing and get back to you. I forgot where I read it. I'll stand by it. We give the least in comparison to those country's respective GDP's.

I take a very cynical view of the Micheal Dells of the business world. He, like Perot or Steinbrenner are welfare queens in my view. Tell me about his case.

No, you shouldn't get gipped at the register because you have more, but neither should the middle class via Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy. Looking at our tax rates historically, I fail to see where they discouraged growth or innovation when they were higher. Bush is Reagan all over again -- the rich got richer, and the poor got poorer. We can't go through that again.

[TexasTman]

Suckseed...a very well thought out and written essay. I commend you for some very good points. I don't agree with everything but you were direct and concise.

Realgirls4me..the deficit is sky high for a reason. We spend more than we make. We are cutting very valuable programs all the time that could help the needy so I am perplexed as to how we can give everyone everything that you want, both at home and abroad, and still keep from having a mushrooming deficit.

In a perfect world I agree with you. The middle class aren't going to get gipped of anything under Bush. He has a more balanced tax plan than to just make all the wealthy pay more and the middle class pay less. In comparison to Kerry you may feel as if it is not as good however it is more FAIR under Bush.

[Ecstatic]

AMAZING.
In New York were we suffered the terrorist attacks, we voted for Kerry.
In the south and mid west were there has not been one terrorist attack people voted for bush. clearly the majority of these simple minded people
are afraid some arab is going to come to their corn field and blow them up.
Allanah, you literally had me laughing out loud with that comment! I can just see Osama plotting how to drop a couple of jumbo jets in a cornfield in west Texas!

[Toro]

Toro...since you corrected my typo I will help you with yours as well.

You said " I could care less about sacrificing a little of your income"

I think you mean " I could NOT care less about sacrificing a little of your income"

From the American Heritage Book of English Usage...
"I could care less! you might say sometime in disgust. You might just as easily have said I couldn’t care less and meant the same thing! How can this be? When taken literally, the phrase I could care less means “I care more than I might,” rather than “I don’t care at all.” But the beauty of sarcasm is that it can turn meanings on their head, thus allowing could care less to work as an equivalent for couldn’t care less. Because of its sarcasm, could care less is more informal than its negative counterpart and may be open to misinterpretation when used in writing."

I am going to have to start charging you for these lessons pretty soon. You have a closed mind. Hopefully you are starting to see that you are not as smart as you think.

[TexasTman]

Ecstatic, i don't want to ruin a good visual for you but we don't have cornfields in west texas!

[Ecstatic]

Excellent post and quote, real! Outstanding. One of the clearest and most cogent arguments about the interrelationship of all strata of society and the need to give back. Almost Buddhist in the sense of the "interbeing" or interrelatedness of all parts of the whole.

[Mugai_hentaisha]

You have to love him :D

G.W.B.
has the idea that Democracy can be dictated at the end of a rifle....Our founding fathers said otherwise....what did they know.

G.W.B.
Has the idea that there is no religious strife in the U.S......well there wouldn't be if religion kept thier noses out of it unless they wanted to pay taxes like the rest of us.

G.W.B.
has the idea that the economy is as strong as ever.... well he might have thought otherwise if he on his campaign tours actually went by factories that have moved overseas and or shutdown.

G.W.B.
has the idea because we beat the Iraq and captured Saddy "we're winnin' da war on terraism' " never mind that every city we take seems to have an uprising in it.

but hey we re elected him to another 4 years of fear!
i really worry about ladies like Allanah, Vicki, Tara and the others, beause i really fear that he will set the tone for future presidents to strip all rights from homosexuals and the others who get looped in with them.

i fear for my rights of i am not of the Religious right, ( I am a deist like the lot of our founding fathers). Even though it would take alot of doing to abolish free expression of religion. I fear they have started the framework by limiting the courts ability to hear religious arguements to items like the pledge and other things.

i fear for my Girlfriend's son who turns 15 this year because being prior military myself i fore see a draft in the near future. Even though the Bushites tell us no draft no draft!!


Welcome to the years of fear

But hey i am doing my part.....Dug out my old Queensryche CD Operation Mindcrime and listening to REVOLUTION CALLING!!!!!!!!

take care people, please

[Realgirls4me]

Excellent post and quote, real! Outstanding. One of the clearest and most cogent arguments about the interrelationship of all strata of society and the need to give back. Almost Buddhist in the sense of the "interbeing" or interrelatedness of all parts of the whole.

Which one ? The Einstein one ?

By the way, who's that in your lovely avatar ?

[Ecstatic]

Ecstatic, i don't want to ruin a good visual for you but we don't have cornfields in west texas!
Well, I guess I was thinking of the Panhandle; if by West Texas you mean El Paso, Pecos, Culberson, Reeves, Ward, Presidio, Brewster and other counties west of Odessa and Fort Stockton, etc., then there is only a little corn--but there is some: 5000 acres planted in El Paso and 1900 in Hudspeth counties http://www.nass.usda.gov:81/ipedbcnty/report2.htm. The Panhandle has much more, as do other parts of Texas, though I fully realize Texas isn't Iowa. Just going with Allanah's image.

[Ecstatic]

Excellent post and quote, real! Outstanding. One of the clearest and most cogent arguments about the interrelationship of all strata of society and the need to give back. Almost Buddhist in the sense of the "interbeing" or interrelatedness of all parts of the whole.

Which one ? The Einstein one ?

By the way, who's that in your lovely avatar ?
Yes, the Einstein one. This thread (as are many these days) is being updated so rapidly it's easy to lose track! But I really thought that an outstanding post, and the Einstein quote excellent.

My avatar: well, it cycles through Venus (my dear Thai friend, muah), Nanda (Brazilian girl), Fabiola (Brazilian), Areeya (Thai), VictoriaTS (Thai, I think), and Sugar (Thai). Lovely, aren't they?

[zerrrr]

But hey i am doing my part.....Dug out my old Queensryche CD Operation Mindcrime and listening to REVOLUTION CALLING!!!!!!!!



OMG YES

RESISTANCE from EMPIRE

One thing I have learned about message boards is that you never bring up religion or politics. Bad news on both counts. But Queensryche is what I need right now and they will make me feel much better.

[Mugai_hentaisha]

Queensryche rules!!!!!!!

i love spreading the Disease!!!

[zerrrr]

And so appropriate for the times.

Why couldn't they have played on the Vote for Change tour?

[Mugai_hentaisha]

Actually Queensryche performed at a "pro kerry rally" don't know if he or edwards were actually there or not.

The band has been doing the Operation Mindcrime tour again well into 2005 and they are hinting at a Operation Mindcrime 2 whatever that is. I have been trying to get tickets, but all the venues that are close to me... sells out too fast. :x

[zerrrr]

Thanks for the info Mugai. I am going to watch for their tour dates. I remember seeing them for the first time open for Def Leppard when Mindcrime came out and they just BLEW them off the stage.

[Realgirls4me]

Oh my gawd! Headbangers are coming out of the woodwork in here! :lol:

Where are the ones who like real music ? You know, the kind with discernable lyrics layered in melodic tunes, and at times capable of setting off one into some frenetic terpsichorean mood ? Such as:

U2 (Still kicking ass)
Echo and the Bunneymen
New Order
The Cure
Adam Ant
Tears for Fears (They've reunited gain)
Ultravox
Spandau Ballet
Talk Talk
Duran Duran (They've reunited again)
Romeo Void
Roxy Music
OMD
The Clash
The Psychedelic Furs
Human League

And so on and so on ...

Sense an era ? Music was in such a funk in the late 70s/early 80s until these bands, and their influence, came along. Geez, I miss those days.

8)

[zerrrr]

Real music????

Currently on my Ipod:

10,000 Maniacs
Bruce Springsteen (his most recent show at the Meadowlands and 8/11/03)
Beethoven's 9th
Phantom of the Opera (Original London cast)
Johnny Cash
Neil Finn
Cirque u Soleil (music from O)
Pearl Jam (various shows from the 2003 and 04 tours)
Queensryche
The Ramones (12/31/79 live show)
and a little U2, Metallica, New Order, and NWA thrown in for good measure.

I also love listening to Motown and saw the Funk Brothers last year.

You brought up some great bands:

New Order~~~
The Clash~~~~
Tears for Fears~~~
Human League~~~

Got to make some additons to the IPod.

:D

[werewulf]

People hate Americans for waht we have and that is our freedom and the greatest country on earth.

there are countries that are much more free and countries that are much more democratic. The bullshit of the US being "the land of the free" is pretty ridiculous when you look at scandavian and western european countries that are eons ahead of us in terms of personal freedoms. The disparity between the rich and the poor in america is one of the greatest in the world. Bush has really fucked us, not only in terms of personal freedoms (patriot act, anyone?) but scientifically, socially, and--most importantly, in the end--economically:


In January, 2001, just after Bush’s inauguration, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office published its budget outlook for the coming decade. It showed a cumulative surplus of more than five trillion dollars. At the time, there was a lot of talk about what to do with the anticipated bounty, a discussion that now seems antique. Last year’s federal deficit was three hundred and seventy-five billion dollars; this year’s will top four hundred billion. According to the C.B.O., which came out with its latest projection in September, the period from 2005 to 2014 will see a cumulative shortfall of $2.3 trillion.

Even this seven-trillion-dollar turnaround underestimates the looming fiscal disaster. In doing its calculations, the C.B.O. assumed that most of the Bush tax cuts would expire in 2011, as specified in the legislation that enacted them. However, nobody in Washington expects them to go away on schedule; they were designated as temporary only to make their ultimate results look less scary. If Congress extends the expiration deadlines—a near-certainty if Bush wins and the Republicans retain control of Congress—then, according to the C.B.O., the cumulative deficit between 2005 and 2014 will nearly double, to $4.5 trillion.

[zerrrr]

Actually Queensryche performed at a "pro kerry rally" don't know if he or edwards were actually there or not.

The band has been doing the Operation Mindcrime tour again well into 2005 and they are hinting at a Operation Mindcrime 2 whatever that is. I have been trying to get tickets, but all the venues that are close to me... sells out too fast. :x

http://www.queensryche.com/tour/

02.03.2005 Beacon New York NY
02.05.2005 Electric Factory Philadelphia PA

YES ON BOTH ACCOUNTS

[Realgirls4me]

Hingshing,

Oh, what a thrill it would have been to see the Clash perform at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame when they were inducted earlier this year. Rest in peace, one of my all time heroes, Joe Strummer.

[djbj_2_2_69]

I have a hard time believing that many people outside the US really care who is president.
Like a well known comic once said about Bill Clinton "ask some skinny ass guy in Cuba what he'd think if Castro got a bj. he'd say i think i havent had a good meal in a few years!!!!!".

[jamans]

can anyone name who said this......



Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.....The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases

Growing up, my parents were liberal. all influences in my life were pushing me toward the liberal way of thinking. However, once I opened my eyes to the harm that big government can do to a persons liberties, I quit supporting the democratic party.

now back to my quote....do some research on who said it....and think of how it relates to the dem's.

[Ecstatic]

Thomas Jefferson.

(I wonder what he'd make of the current government?)