The Cost Of Transition

[peggygee]

Tommorow I will crunch some numbers, but for now I will
get the ball rolling with the fact that there are many variables
to the cost issues.

One is that different girls will require different types of
procedures. Some will need more electrolysis, or FFS than
others. Some may need more or less body work than others.

Age may play a factor in costs wilth younger transitioners
perhaps needing less work than older transitioners.

Also there is the geographical location that the women elects to
have her surgical procedures performed in. Girls who have
procedures performed in foreign countries may find their costs
much lower than women who have it done in the US.

[BrendaQG]

In cold hard US currency. Circumstances effect this so much. Under ideal circumstances A kid with parental support to get hormones before puberty and all that. Not cutting any corners (no internet pharmcies or black market)... hormones $150/ month from walgreens. For 6 years long enough to ensure a female like puberty experience... $10,800. Then surgery say in Thailand add another $6000. With that ammount of money the woman will at least be presentable, and un clockable.

Under less than ideal conditions, well that FFS surgery. Where they chip bones and basically sculpt your face. Well that can run into tens of thousands of dollars by itself.

Then there are of course the un quantifiable cost and benefits of transition. But that's not what you are looking to hear about.

(Doh! Bears)

[blackmagic]

Tommorow I will crunch some numbers, but for now I will
get the ball rolling with the fact that there are many variables
to the cost issues.

One is that different girls will require different types of
procedures. Some will need more electrolysis, or FFS than
others. Some may need more or less body work than others.

Age may play a factor in costs wilth younger transitioners
perhaps needing less work than older transitioners.

Also there is the geographical location that the women elects to
have her surgical procedures performed in. Girls who have
procedures performed in foreign countries may find their costs
much lower than women who have it done in the US.

:D hey thanks your awsome ill check this post tomorrow but thanks alot



PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:37 am Post subject: Reply with quote
In cold hard US currency. Circumstances effect this so much. Under ideal circumstances A kid with parental support to get hormones before puberty and all that. Not cutting any corners (no internet pharmcies or black market)... hormones $150/ month from walgreens. For 6 years long enough to ensure a female like puberty experience... $10,800. Then surgery say in Thailand add another $6000. With that ammount of money the woman will at least be presentable, and un clockable.

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: OUCH!!! how do they pay for it? i mean yeah ok you can work as a guy for only so long until you got some huge breast poking from your chest but thats still alot of money how do they pay for it?

[suckseed]

then divide by $2-300.... :roll: The thing is...it's a catch 22 situation for escorts I imagine. There has to be a mental/emotional cost, not to mention the number of potential love affairs that never make it out of the gate. Also, the toll it must take on one's desire to bone at all. I wonder if it's like restaurant work - you get sick of the menu....maybe you stick to one or two things that you like to eat... :lol:

Edit: Also, I want to dine on the girl in my avatar like she's a hot plate of doughnuts and I haven't eaten in a week!

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I can't even fathom how much I have spent on my transition- on electrolysis alone I would bet 20 K. So I have no clue of the figures-
but between all the surgeries and procedures- A LOT.

[Fox]

Good thread. I barely have enough to go to school, can't imagine trying to come up with transitional funds on top of that.

I heard some companies actually help with hormone costs. Can anyone elaborate on that?

[Jennifer_English]

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: OUCH!!! how do they pay for it? i mean yeah ok you can work as a guy for only so long until you got some huge breast poking from your chest but thats still alot of money how do they pay for it?

Que:Escorting...

IF you leave it too late....(result = needing a lot more surgical procedures than younger transitioners) which I think most do in western countires the cost can be HUGE...

I have NO IDEA how im going to get all the money needed to be happy with myself in the mirror.... but where theres a will....

Jennifer
-x-

[blackmagic]

Que:Escorting...

IF you leave it too late....(result = needing a lot more surgical procedures than younger transitioners) which I think most do in western countires the cost can be HUGE...

I have NO IDEA how im going to get all the money needed to be happy with myself in the mirror.... but where theres a will....

Jennifer
-x-

:cry: thats terrible, :smh i mean its just bad, not saying that escorting is bad but i just feel bad for those who have to do escort service just to pay some bills.



then divide by $2-300.... Rolling Eyes The thing is...it's a catch 22 situation for escorts I imagine.

But on the other hand if suckseed is right, and you can make 300 a night and do that for 2 times a week whoa heck even id join in this escort business :lol:

[suckseed]

For me, a world where women pay men for sex is a planet i'd like to visit!

[Alison Faraday]

all approximate.

Laser Hair Removal: £6000
Electrolysis: £1000
Orchiectomy: £1500
Breast Augmentation: £4500
Hormones: £7000
Consultations: £2000
Voice Therapy: £2000
Travelling: £4000
ID: £500
Birth Certificate: £500
Time: 6-years

So adding that lot up; £29K ($60k) Bloody hell!! I never really added up the cost before as it's all been ongoing bit by bit. That's all over 6-years.

And I could easily spend another £30k ($60k) on SRS and FFS.

That is all of course purely the financial cost. There's also the social and emotional costs too. There is not one single person in my past life that I carried through to the present, except my family.

The biggest cost to me was my friends. Which has left emotional scars which I try to hide. It has definitely affected my trust in people, also that when I'm eager for friends I sometimes say the wrong things out of fear of going through it all again.

This is why transition is so much more than anyone can tell you. It's slightly different for each person. We've all seen and met people that don't pass at all yet they only focus on how much money it costs. You can also have the most stunning transsexual, until they open their mouth. So many things.

The whole thing needs informed planning and dedication lasting years. It's all a balance on many levels.

I'm not really here for fame or notoriety. Just to get through this. The website and the escorting has funded almost all of the above. My hope at the moment is to be all out of the TG scene completely by the end of 2007.

[blackmagic]

For me, a world where women pay men for sex is a planet i'd like to visit!

LOL, ever notice why strait women seem to love to come to the gay/trans clubs? and will hog all the hot gay guys when dancing? thats a good enough hint to become a male escort lol :peanutbutter

[peggygee]

Dr. Preecha Tiewtranon, MD

http://www.pai.co.th/

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Price List


Gender Reassignment Surgery

Services
Price(US$) Deposit(US$) Offer(US$)

Male to Female (MtF)
Penile Skin Inversion / Vaginal Plasty Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 7,500 750
Sigmoid Colon/ Rectosigmoid Vaginoplasty/ Rectosigmoid Colon Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 9,500 950
Labiaplasty (Repair) Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 4,000 300
Bilateral Orchiectomy (BO) Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 3,000 200
Aesthetic Revision Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 3,150 300

Breast
Breast Augmentation / Augmentation Mammoplasty Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 2,800 280
Breast Lift / Mastopexy Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 4,000 400
Breast Reduction Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 4,000 400

Facial Feminization Surgery (FFS)
Full Face Lift Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 4,500 450
Mini Face Lift Local Anesthesia 2,500 200
General Anesthesia 3,500 200
Forehead Lift (Lower Hairline) 4,000 400
Lip Augmentation (Fat Injection) 600 60
Upper Eyelid Surgery 600 60
Lower Eyelid Surgery 600 60
Rhinoplasty (Nose Reconstruction) Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 4,000 400
Otoplasty 1,050 100
Fat Injection 700 70
Brow Lift and Bony Contouring Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 3,500 200
Cheek Bone Augmentation Local Anesthesia 1,050 100
General Anesthesia 3,000 210
Cheek Bone Contouring Local Anesthesia 2,100 210
General Anesthesia 3,600 360
Chin Augmentation 1,050 100
Chin Shaving / Bone Contouring Local Anesthesia 1,050 100
General Anesthesia 3,000 200
Jaw Contouring Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 3,000 200
Hair Transplantation US$1,500-US$2,700
Mandibular Angle Resection Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia US$4,000 US$400

Adam's Apple
Adam’s apple Contouring Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 1,800 180

Body Contouring
Abdominoplasty Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 4,000 200
Liposuction Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 2,500 200
Liposuction : Each extra point Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 600

Female to Male (FtM)
Female to Male Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia start at US$7,875. Check for more information Please check at each stage deposit requirment

Gluteal implant
Gluteal implant ( Silicone-gel filled smooth and textured surface) Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia US$4,000 US$400

Penile Enlargement
Penile Girth (widening) Enhancement with Lengthening Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia US$6,500 650
Penile Lengthening Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia US$ 3,000 300
Penile Enhancement Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia US$ 4,000 400


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Aesthetic Plastic Surgery
Services
Price(US$) Deposit(US$) Offer(US$)

Facial Contouring
Forehead Lift Local Anesthesia 2,500 200
General Anesthesia 3,500 200
Mini Face Lift Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 3,500 200
Full Face Lift Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 4,500 450

Eye Surgery
Lower Eyelid Surgery 600 60
Upper Eyelid Surgery 600 60

Rhinoplasty
Total Nasal Surgery (Reduction), Nose Reconstruction Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 4,000 400
Tip Rhinoplasty 1,000 100
Augmentation Rhinoplasty (Silicone) 840 80
Nose Reconstruction Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia US$4,000 US$400

Cheek Bone Contouring
Cheek Reduction 3,675 365
Cheek Augmentation (Silicone) / Malar Augmentation Local Anesthesia 1,050 100
General Anesthesia 2,100 210

Lip Surgery
Lip Reduction 600 50
Lip Enhancement (Fat Injection) 600 60

Chin Surgery
Chin Shaving / Bone Contouring Local Anesthesia 1,100 200
General Anesthesia 3,000 200
Chin Augmentation 1,050 100

Ear Surgery
Ear Pinning (Otoplasty) 1,050 100

Hair Transplantation
Hair Grafting 1,500-2,700

Breast
Breast Lift / Mastopexy Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 4,000 200
Breast Reduction / Reduction Mammaplasty / Male Breast Reduction (Gynecomastia) Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 4,000 200
Breast Augmentation / Augmentation Mammoplasty 2,800 280

Body Contouring
Fat Injection (Minor) 600 60
Abdominoplasty (Tummy Tuck) Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 4,000 200
Lipoplasty Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 2,500 200
Lipoplasty : Each exta point Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 600

Botox Injection
Botox Injection Local Anesthesia 300-500 50
General Anesthesia 600-700 60

Jaw Contouring
Jaw Contouring Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia 3,000 200

Mandibular Angle Resection, Gonioplasty
Mandibular Angle Resection, Gonioplasty Local Anesthesia
General Anesthesia US$4,000 US$200

Labiaplasty
Labiaplasty (Repair) Local Anesthesia 800
General Anesthesia 3,000 - 4,000 300

[peggygee]

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http://www.doctorsaran.com/


Surgical Procedure Doctor Saran Price

(USD) Deposit

(USD) Service Inclusions

Facial and Head Contouring
Upper Eyelid Surgery 700 350 Click Here
Lower Eyelid Surgery 700 350 Click Here
Full Face Lift 4,000 2,000 Click Here
Mini Face Lift 2,500 375 Click Here
Forehead Lift 2,000 1,000 Click Here
Nose Augmentation 700 350 Click Here
Nose Reduction 2,500 1,250 Click Here
Alaplasty 500 250 Click Here
Cheek Bone Contouring 2,000 1,000 Click Here
Cheek Augmentation 2,000 1,000 Click Here
Chin Augmentation 1,000 500 Click Here
Chin Shaving 2,300 1,150 Click Here
Ear Surgery 1,000 500 Click Here
Botox Injection 600 300 Click Here
Fat Injection 500 250 Click Here
Hair Transplant 2,500 - 5,000 1,250 - 2,500 Click Here
Breast
Breast Augmentation 2,500 1,250 Click Here
Breast Reduction 3,000 1,500 Click Here
Breast Reconstruction Click Here
Sex Reassignment Surgery (SRS)
Male to Female 5,000 2,500 Click Here
Sigmoid Colon 8,000 4,000 Click Here
Bilateral Orchiectomy (BO) 2,000 1,000 Click Here
Reconstruction of SRS 3,000-5,500 1,500-2,750 Click Here
Body Contouring
Liposuction First 2 pts/2,000; Next pt/500 First 2 pts/1,000; Next pt/250 Click Here
Lipectomy 3,500 1,750 Click Here
Adam's Apple Contouring 600 300 Click Here
Fat Injection 500 250

[Caleigh]

on the other hand, if you don't feel like you need srs/grs or even an orchi. if you are happy enough with your facial features as they are and don't have such a pronounced adam's apple that you need a shave on that.

i just bought a years worth of spironolactone for $300 i pay something like $25 a month for my estradiol laser hair removal on face is now about $1200 for 6 treatments and then free touch ups if needed for the next 2 years

this is all in NYC dollars

[peggygee]

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[peggygee]

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[blackmagic]

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:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
here i am stuck with a $20,000 bill thanks to my stupid appendix, i so wish i would have known there was a cheaper alternative, but after hearing allanah and alison i cant really complain.

for crying out loud if i wanted i could get the entire FFS package for under $17,500 (not including hotel, food, and transportation) but still just seeing that makes me sad, i wish i would have known about this last september. :cry:

[peggygee]

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Errata: Dr. Suporn's figures are not correct and need to be re-verified.

[peggygee]

Still tracking down Dr. Suporn costs, but here are further
examples:

This woman is planning on having her procedures performed
with Dr. Suporn.

http://www.jenellerose.com/htmlpostings/costs_involved_with_surgery.htm


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[peggygee]

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[Vicki Richter]

I'm in for $50k+ on just surgical type stuff

Thailand trip Suporn - $10k (forehead/hairline, nose, chin, implants)
2nd breasts - $6500
Feminization lipo - $6000
2nd nose - $6000
Jaw/ 2nd chin Ousterhaut - $14k
laser - $4k
Hormones - I can't really add this up, quite a bit

What girls forget is that even then, you have cloths to buy, makeup to buy, shoes to buy. If you do porn you need a whole 2nd wardrobe of hooker clothes and shoes.

I think that 1 in maybe 10,000 TS girls can get away with transitioning with no FFS at all... and if you aren't latin or asian, that number would be somewhere around 1 in a million - at least from a quality of life perspective. Girls might be able to get away with a lot less and have a comfortable quality of life. For example, I was a pornstar with just laser, hormones, and my first thailand trip.

[peggygee]

Get the body you want today!

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Have you considered financing your
cosmetic surgery?


Care Credit
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Capital One
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Doctors Say Yes
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Health One
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America Secured
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[lisaparadise]

Inspired by the thread 'When ya get plastic surgery...?', thought it would be interesting to start a thread about the cost of all this treatment. Might give some of the guys on here an idea of some of the shit you TG's have to go through. Understand this may be personal, so just looking for a general outline.well this is a cool topic,the cost of a transition is huge horomones 4 years $2880.00 lazer hair removal $1600.00 photofacials $1200.00 dental $800.00 electrolocysis$75.00 an hr silicone in face and body $3500.00 and counting surguries $11.000.00 boobs $8000.00 not to mention make up and clothing so far my transition has cost over $30.000.00 and counting and thats just what i have spent since july of last year,by this time next year i will be way over 50 thousand dollars hope this gives you an idea of the cost.

[ottorocket]

I admire you women. If i get as much as a shaving nick i get woozie from the sight of blood..lol All these operations are seriously hard core surgery and it seems going to another country for cheaper costs may have its increased risks??? How does that play into your decisions where to get it done ladies? Cost vs safety? Or is it also Dr. experience? In any regards, its money well spent. :)

[lisaparadise]

I admire you women. If i get as much as a shaving nick i get woozie from the sight of blood..lol All these operations are seriously hard core surgery and it seems going to another country for cheaper costs may have its increased risks??? How does that play into your decisions where to get it done ladies? Cost vs safety? Or is it also Dr. experience? In any regards, its money well spent. :) cost vs safety well its this simply, there are risks in anything we do weather we go outside and get hit by a car or watch my leafs on the tube and drop dead of a heart attack and if yer a leafs fan ya know what i mean lol,i went to get my surgeries done in mexico and i can tell you i will never go there again,the doctor was cool as well as his wife but thats about it,hardly anyone speaks english there hey let me tell you what happened ,when i got there off the plane in gaudelaharja the doctors wife picked me up and drove me to the clinic this was about 8 at night i was to go under the knife at 7 am the next morning,the doc came in at 6 am wrote on my face and body i has a complete facelift ffs upper and lower eye lifts top lip moved up hairline moved down 2 broken ribs and lypo all around.i was so scared you have no idea before i left i did my will picked out a dress and had my son who is 20 now take my life insurance policy incase of emergancy anyways after 2 days in the clinic i booked my return flight for the 3rd day after my operations,i took a cab to the airport got on a plain to mexico city during the flight we were held up and my flight to toronto left without me,so here i was in a 3rd world country nobody to help me i was blind cause of all the silicone i had put in my face had been coming out my eyes and sticking them together so after 3 hrs of trying to find my bags i went to mexicana airlines told them my flight left while i was still in the air and they said too badd ill have to book again for the next day so i said whatever gimmie my ticket he said that will be 660 bucks i said fuck you your the assholes that left without me your reimbursing me for my ticket so i can go home the whole time im crying cause i was emmbarraced with bloodied bandages on my head so i siad please find me a hotel for the night they said to me find my own i was so pissed and upset the tears were burning my eyes filled with silicone so i found my way outside got into a cab after i asked if he could take me to a hotel for the night,he drove like a maniac he went over a bump doing like 100 klms an hour i hit my head off the top of his cab and split my stitches in my forhead open with blood dripping down my face into my mouth and all over my clothing i was more upset then ive ever been i was dropped at a hotel im standing there in the lobby with blood dripping everywhere trying to book a room,i asked to have a doc or nurse to come into my room and sew me up no such luck i had to complress the would so it would stop bleeding to make a long story short ill never return there ever

[blackmagic]

Inspired by the thread 'When ya get plastic surgery...?', thought it would be interesting to start a thread about the cost of all this treatment. Might give some of the guys on here an idea of some of the shit you TG's have to go through. Understand this may be personal, so just looking for a general outline.well this is a cool topic,the cost of a transition is huge horomones 4 years $2880.00 lazer hair removal $1600.00 photofacials $1200.00 dental $800.00 electrolocysis$75.00 an hr silicone in face and body $3500.00 and counting surguries $11.000.00 boobs $8000.00 not to mention make up and clothing so far my transition has cost over $30.000.00 and counting and thats just what i have spent since july of last year,by this time next year i will be way over 50 thousand dollars hope this gives you an idea of the cost.

LOL!!! whats the saying? NEVER GIVE A WOMEN A CREDIT CARD!! :lol: :lol:

[peggygee]

Transgender Health Benefits
Most people are covered by some form of health insurance, whether it be employer provided, Medicare/Medicaid, or purchased by the individual. These health plans normally cover necessary medical care. Typical health plans have an exclusion list declaring certain types of medical care to be uncovered. Nearly all medical plans include transsexual needs on their exclusion list.
What Medical Treatments are Required?
Transsexuals usually must undergo

Psychological counselling, for the initial diagnosis, for guidance through the transition, and to obtain the letter required for surgery
Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) to adjust their body to their new gender role
Doctor's office visits in support of HRT. This includes lab work and other monitoring of the HRT.
Sex Reassignment Surgery (SRS), "the operation" changing their genitals to match their new gender role:
Transsexual women undergo penectomy and vaginaplasty. This procedure usually costs from $10,000 to $15,000.
Transsexual men usually undergo bilateral mastectomy and hysterectomy. In some cases they also elect phalloplasty (construction of a penis) but, since this operation is expensive and the results are often not very good, the standard SRS for transmen is mastectomy and hysterectomy.
These procedures are not optional, but may be required to save a life. They are also required by mosts states before personal documentation, such as the drivers license and birth certificate, can be updated with a new gender marker, permitting the person to live a normal life.
Yet many insurance policies exclude coverage of these needs.

In addition, a transsexual may optionally choose various cosmetic surgeries to make their appearance more typical of their new sex. For example, plastic surgery on the face or torso, or breast implants if the results of HRT are insufficient. Hair removal by electrolysis or laser is usually needed by transgender women. We do not necessarily advocate that these cosmetic surgeries be covered by insurance unless other similar cosmetic surgery is covered by a particular plan.

Is refusal to cover transgender health benefits discriminatory? This can best be answered by checking to see if the same medical procedures would be covered for non-transsexuals by the same plan. Is Hormone Replacement Therapy covered for post-menopausal women? Would Vaginoplasty or Phalloplasty be covered after an accidental injury or cancer? Are Mastectomies or Hysterectomies covered in case of cancer? Would gynocomastica, caused by a hormone imbalance, be covered? These are some of the same treatments and procedures needed by transsexuals. A fair health plan covers the same procedure for all employees, whether or not it is related to transsexualism.

Costs
The average cost for a male-to-female surgery is about $11,000. Adding in a cost of about $1000 for therapy, $1500 for hormones, and $500 for doctors visits and lab tests, the cost to transition averages about $14,000 over a two year transition period. (After completion of surgery, ongoing costs drop dramatically to cover only a small maintenence level of hormones.)

If these procedures are not covered by insurance, the transsexual must pay for them personally. Most surgeons require payment in advance. People have to save money for years to complete their transition. Those in lower paying jobs often can never afford the surgery. The impact on an individual can be overpowering.

How much would it cost your company to cover the basic medical needs of a transsexual? Transsexualism is very rare. According to the DSM-IV, it affects an estimated 1 in 30,000 people, The latest research estimates that the total annual cost per insured is $.11 to cover surgery, or $.64 to cover surgery, hormones, and therapy. With medical insurance costing upwards of $4,000 per year, the to cover THBs would be about .004%.

TAW has prepared a Research Report. that will help employers estimate the cost of THBs for their work force.

Is treatment considered "Medically Necessary?"
When a company decides to cover medical needs for its transsexual employees, it's not uncommon for the insurance company to still refuse coverage. Typical plans are worded so that the insurance company makes the determination, even though the plan is employer designed. It is often necessary to appeal to the company to approve coverage that the employer intended to cover.
In the past, it was commonplace for an insurer to claim that transsexual needs were experimental or cosmetic. The original surgery of Christine Jorgenson in 1952 was experimental. Today, the procedures are routine, and thousands undergo them each year. Those undergoing the surgery must comply with the Harry Benjamin Standards of Care which strictly outlines the diagnosis and procedure that must be followed for a true, medically necessary transition.

Recently, insurance companies have begun to claim that transsexual procedures are not medically necessary. When encountering such terms as experimental and medically necessary it is helpful to refer to the definitions of these terms as often used in medical practice. One useful glossary is on the Lucent benefits web site at http://216.220.43.231/mgt/library/mep/content.asp. The set of definitions can be found at http://216.220.43.231/mgt/library/mep/pdf/terms.pdf (If the web address above has changed, the content can be found here.)

When referring to these terms, language such as "standard, tested and accepted effective practice by the medical community at large" and "recognized standards of the health care speciality involved" will be found. It is useful to follow the logic of this standard. A transsexual is usually diagnosed with "Gender Identity Disorder", 302.85 in the DSM IV. Following the accepted psychological, psychiatric, and medical treatment for this diagnosis, one finds that the appropriate standard of diagnosis and treatment is the Harry Benjamin Standards of Care. These standards outline the appropriate and effective treatment for Gender Identity Disorder, including counselling, medical, and surgical. Applying the definitions, most practitioners will conclude that the treatments are indeed medically necessary by the recognized standards for medical necessity.

The Harry Benjamin Standards address this issue directly:

Sex Reassignment is Effective and Medically Indicated in Severe GID. In persons diagnosed with transsexualism or profound GID, sex reassignment surgery, along with hormone therapy and real-life experience, is a treatment that has proven to be effective. Such a therapeutic regimen, when prescribed or recommended by qualified practitioners, is medically indicated and medically necessary. Sex reassignment is not "experimental," "investigational," "elective," "cosmetic," or optional in any meaningful sense. It constitutes very effective and appropriate treatment for transsexualism or profound GID.

[NadiaUSA]

I get scared to think about foreign doctors.

My surgery was expensive. My doctor is Gary Alter fron the "DR 90210" show on E channel in Beverly Hills, CA

My hormones are all the most expensive and only from american doctors.
Laser and Electrolisys were in Newport Beach and Beverly Hills, CA

http://www.altermd.com/

Total probaly in the $50,000 range and I am not done yet.

[blackmagic]

I get scared to think about foreign doctors.

My surgery was expensive. My doctor is Gary Alter fron the "DR 90210" show on E channel in Beverly Hills, CA

My hormones are all the most expensive and only from american doctors.
Laser and Electrolisys were in Newport Beach and Beverly Hills, CA

http://www.altermd.com/

Total probaly in the $50,000 range and I am not done yet.

LOL i was seriously thinking of going to that dude but i think most his work is in the SRS.

[SarahG]

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[blackmagic]

When i was doing hrt diy it was abt 150 a month... i went the diy route for 6 months- 150 x 6 = $900

Then after that for two years I had a really cheap insurance plan, 20 a month (sometimes 15)- $20 x 24 = $480

I've had a diff insurance company since, which is a bit more $$- $50/month, x 2 yrs again, thats $1200

IF counting plastic surgery to look "normal" but not ts specific, add abt 50k between all my past procedures from my early childhood...

No therapy costs, tried that briefly- didn't see how I needed it and stopped. Blood tests I get free under my insurance company.

So I guess I'm looking at about, but prolly not much if anything more than 55k incl everything... 50 less than that if talking ts exclusive stuff.

If I were to get implants in the near future, I wouldn't consider that exclusively ts related because I am the same size (actually a tad larger breast-wise) than all the GGs of my body type in my family. If I had been born as a GG, my chest would have been no different.


lol judging by your pics i would hope your gonna get implants :lol: :wink:

[BrendaQG]

Dear Brenda,

Thank you very much for your enquiry sent to Dr Suporn’s Clinic. I hope that the following will address most of your immediate questions:

SRS - Sex Reassignment Surgery - 495,000 Baht

That's about $15,000.00

[wendy48088]

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[peggygee]

I have been getting a number of reports about concerns from sources
on Dr.. Douglas Ousterhout.

Has any one else heard anything that the community needs to be made
aware of?

[Chica]

i pay £100 for an 8 week batch of hormones... thats $200.. multiply by 6 to get a years batch... and that's £600 / $1200... and its recommended to be using them for at least 3 years... thats £1800 / $3600, but then i have to go on other tablets... but they're a lower dose and less expensive... but that's not the expensive part im afraid..

there's also a new home - if you're like me and not really accepted, clothes, make-up, jewelry, beauty products... it all amounts, and it's an even greater climb if you're not from a wealthy background to begin with...

as for surgery... it's not something im looking at, apart from the final part of course... im not a fan of being cut open and things like that lol

[MacShreach]

i pay £100 for an 8 week batch of hormones... thats $200.. multiply by 6 to get a years batch... and that's £600 / $1200... and its recommended to be using them for at least 3 years... thats £1800 / $3600, but then i have to go on other tablets... but they're a lower dose and less expensive... but that's not the expensive part im afraid..

there's also a new home - if you're like me and not really accepted, clothes, make-up, jewelry, beauty products... it all amounts, and it's an even greater climb if you're not from a wealthy background to begin with...
l

Keep the faith babe, you'll be fine. Here's looking at you! :D

[SarahG]

I have been getting a number of reports about concerns from sources
on Dr.. Douglas Ousterhout.

Has any one else heard anything that the community needs to be made
aware of?

Everytime I have seen this mentioned on a board/group/etc in the last ~3-4 years, it has ended up causing all kinds of flame wars.

Personally, all I am going to say on this one was back around 2004 I had about 100 girls on my YIM list that I actively talked to (most are no longer online but we all know how that goes)- of that group I know of 3 who had gotten botched FFS procedures from Dr O. Not a very scientific sample as far as say, formal studies are concerned but 3% of such a small list was concerning to me.

A very close and long time friend of mine considered using him a year ago (and ended up using someone else- but not due to these rumors), I expressed my concern mentioning that there are bad rumors out there and the three girls I knew who had problems with his procedures (and his refusal to correct mistakes)- and the reaction I got was pretty much I "don't know what I am talking about, am not part of the situation, and need to keep my mouth shut"- it appears of the people willing to talk about this one- there are the Dr O supporters who either don't care or ignore what has been said about the situation and those who think he is a quack- with few inbetween the two sides (then there are all the people who just don't care...). I am not claiming to have a position on him one way or an other... but what I have heard is disconcerting at the least.

[liisawinkler]

wow these costs are sky high!!!

i believe that manila in the philippines have very reasonably priced doctors and the best at their profession...a lot less expensive than those Thai doctors who are able to advertise on the net or put up a website...

google Doctor Estrada and Dr. Deleon, Dr. Joaquino, Clinica Manila and you might find very reliable surgery costs information as these are the docs most of the tsgirls in Manila and Cebu, Philippines go to for their surgeries...

i had breast augmentation in manila...

chin and rhinoplasty in cebu and fat grafts to my cheeks in bangkok...

[peggygee]

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[marissaazts]

i have never kept tract of my exp. id guess its quite a bit from laser and elec. though my scripts are pretty reasonable

[q1a2z3]

Any sane person can see that this hobby can break the bank for any country. I keep voting and lobbying my congressman to keep government and companies out of paying doctors. Anyone with an expensive hobby should have to pay for it themselves.

[mischelle]

Any sane person can see that this hobby can break the bank for any country. I keep voting and lobbying my congressman to keep government and companies out of paying doctors. Anyone with an expensive hobby should have to pay for it themselves.

Collecting stamps is a hobby, playing with a toy train set is a hobby, having a collection of dolls is a hobby. Setting your inner self free, being who you are outside as well as inside is not a hobby.

[q1a2z3]

It's a hobby. And an expensive one too. I don't want to pay for it. Get a job and a shrink to help you learn to cope with your "XY Host" problem. Soft headed judges, the american psychiatric association (APA) and many greedy lawyers in this country have taken your money and let you believe in the fairy tales you keep telling yourselves. There isn't a society that didn't rot and stink once it was taken over by the gay mafia.