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guyone
02-02-2007, 07:13 PM
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends" of the Clintons.

1-James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

2 -Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

3- Vince Foster - Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head,ruled a suicide.

4- Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.

5- C. Victor Raiser II- Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raisingorganization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

6-Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

7-Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8-Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock.Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9-James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

10-James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

11-Kathy Ferguson- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12-Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

13-Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

14-Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

15- Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

16-Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

17-Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.( I read a wonderful bookabout this incident by an investigative reporter...scary stuff!)

18- Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

19-Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony
August15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.

20-Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

21-Charles Meissner -Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

22-Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council, personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

23-Barry Seal -Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident. (all tied in with the death of those two boys killed on the railroad track)

24-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

25-Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guarentee. His death was a purpoted suicide and his report was never released.

26- Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

27-Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

BILL CLINTON was Govenor and knew about this, and evidence of strong possibility that he covered for those involved

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28-Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck,7/88.

29-Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988.

30-Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31-Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

33-James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes".

34-Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

35-Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

36 -Major William S. Barkley Jr.
37-Captain Scott J . Reynolds
38-Sgt. Brian Hanley
39-Sgt. Tim Sabel
40-Major General William Robertson
41-Col. William Densberger
42-Col. Robert Kelly
43-Spec. Gary Rhodes
44-Steve Willis
45-Robert Williams
46-Conway LeBleu
47-Todd McKeehan

White_Male_Canada
02-02-2007, 08:55 PM
CLINTON AT RON BROWN`S MEMORIAL OR FUNERAL ( i forget)

What the little GIF doesn`t clearly show well enough is that

Clinton was laughing,saw the camera,then started "crying". :

eggbert
02-02-2007, 09:29 PM
This is ridiculous. Read the following article at snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

LG
02-03-2007, 12:52 AM
Thank you eggbert (and Snopes.com).

That's enough rightwing conspiracy bullshit, kids! Get back to worshipping Dick Cheney.

And, of course, his wife: Shedick Cheney.

guyone
02-03-2007, 01:46 AM
Hey LG! How's it goin'?

LG
02-03-2007, 02:12 AM
Going well, guyone, and you? Always good to hear from you, even though we may disagree sometimes (or even always for that matter).

guyone
02-03-2007, 02:54 AM
It's going well and for all that is said about utopia...it would be so very dull.

02-03-2007, 01:36 PM
Thank you eggbert (and Snopes.com).

That's enough rightwing conspiracy bullshit, kids! Get back to worshipping Dick Cheney.

And, of course, his wife: Shedick Cheney.


Leave it to anti-American condescending women haters to bash women.

"Shedick Cheney"? Is it ok to bash women as long as you think you are right? Even if it's pretend, your beliefs are subject to death and early exit from the righteous beliefs of Christian women and men across this beautiful planet.

You're wrong and ignorant. You only serve to teach hate and glitter to the weak minded. You only serve yourself and trained agenda's.


Arriana, Alana or whatever they are about, fuck this. You're stupider than than this shit. You have insulted women across the world who were unlucky to be born with the wrong parts and the right brains. Fuck, worse, you're an emotional puss-bag.

I wont call you a bitch. It's a word to big for you and your anti=inclusive world.

LG
02-03-2007, 07:05 PM
TFan, what are you yammering on about? and who mentioned Christian values or Anti-Americanism. I for one did not. I like America and like most Americans I have met. There are exceptions. Some Americans I just can't stand. You would be a good example.

My comment was made in jest and no one else but you seemed to mind (look which gay bashing, bigoted little troll has suddenly become a defender of women everywhere!). I just find the VP's name funny in a puerile kind of way. I used to know someone who was called Dick Head. Somewhere out there there may be a Russian called Suckmeoff, who knows. I have heard of an athlete called Slutskaya.

If you read my posts you will see what I am about. From your posts all I can surmise is that you are a first class asshole. Also, apparently you claim to have a luxury car. Who gives a shit?

This particular discussion isn't about tgirls and neither was my joke. You don't even seem to care about tgirls. All you care about is posting your drivel.

Nearly 600 posts in 6 months (where do you find the time) and all of them useless, often bigoted and homophobic crap, like your post regarding George Michael and Walmart and the one claiming you're too "gangsta" to be gay. And you have the nerve to accuse anyone else of teaching hate. Where do you get off, troll?

You think I have a fucking agenda? All you've done is spew hate-talk and jivetalk your way around arguments. No wonder so few people around here like you.

Some of you republicans are okay. Guyone I actually like- the man has a sense of humour, he can take a joke and accepts others' opinions. WMC annoys me like hell but he's okay. You on the other hand.

You claim you don't speculate on the truth, that you live in it. You wouldn't know the truth if it bitchslapped you in the face and kicked you in the balls. And we all know you'd deserve that.

chefmike
02-03-2007, 11:31 PM
Thank you eggbert (and Snopes.com).

That's enough rightwing conspiracy bullshit, kids! Get back to worshipping Dick Cheney.

And, of course, his wife: Shedick Cheney.


Leave it to anti-American condescending women haters to bash women.

"Shedick Cheney"? Is it ok to bash women as long as you think you are right? Even if it's pretend, your beliefs are subject to death and early exit from the righteous beliefs of Christian women and men across this beautiful planet.

You're wrong and ignorant. You only serve to teach hate and glitter to the weak minded. You only serve yourself and trained agenda's.


Arriana, Alana or whatever they are about, fuck this. You're stupider than than this shit. You have insulted women across the world who were unlucky to be born with the wrong parts and the right brains. Fuck, worse, you're an emotional puss-bag.

I wont call you a bitch. It's a word to big for you and your anti=inclusive world.


..... :roll:

.......... :smh

............... :lol:

....................... :P

White_Male_Canada
02-04-2007, 01:21 AM
No wonder so few people around here like you.

Some of you republicans are okay. Guyone I actually like- the man has a sense of humour, he can take a joke and accepts others' opinions. WMC annoys me like hell but he's okay. You on the other hand.

Annoy, is that all. Guess I better pick up the tempo. After deconstructing your usual verbatim talking points from the left I`ll toss in a pinch of ridicule and a teaspoon of belittlement. 8)

I`m not a Republican. President Bush is way too liberal for me. 8)

The T man`s alright. He just let`s the looney-kazooney left get under
his skin. I`ve heard it all from the kooky left. I think it`s because he must live in a large city or suburban area where he`s exposed to those type of toxins on a daily basis.

LG
02-04-2007, 02:38 AM
I`m not a Republican. President Bush is way too liberal for me.

Who you into then? Jean-Marie Le Pen? Should we try to bring General Franco back from the dead?

Dick Cheney cannot kill by shooting someone. He shot a retired lawyer in the face from a few yards which makes him a terrible shot considering he was trying to hunt quail and not old men. Alternatively, if he was trying to kill his hunting buddy, that makes him an even worse shot for failing to do so.

As for deconstructing my arguments...HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

And for good measure, HA!

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/a/c/2/ac289e541cb479c297f040bb683e18f7.jpg
"Huh-huh-huh-huh, Beavis, you said Dick!"

http://static.flickr.com/69/178843411_4c6bea5c6f.jpg

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/02/13/cheneyrifle_wideweb__470x407,0.jpg
"That's a nice piece. Got one that's good for using on lawyers?"

http://www.merch-bot.com/imagesDJANGO/products/large/the-buckshot-stops-here-shirt-black.gif

White_Male_Canada
02-04-2007, 03:12 AM
I`m not a Republican. President Bush is way too liberal for me.


Who you into then? Jean-Marie Le Pen? Should we try to bring General Franco back from the dead?

Classicial Liberalism with a dash of Libertarianism. AS opposed to your avowed socialism.


Dick Cheney cannot kill by shooting someone. He shot a retired lawyer in the face from a few yards which makes him a terrible shot considering he was trying to hunt quail and not old men. Alternatively, if he was trying to kill his hunting buddy, that makes him an even worse shot for failing to do so.

Impossible to kill a guy with a 28 Ga. Perazzi Brescia loaded with bird shot (7 1/2) unless it`s point blank. Most pellets would bounce off clothing and lodge into skin not deeply enough to be life threatening. The Texas Parks and Wildlife Hunting Accident and Incident Report Form :

Summary: Whittington downed a bird and went to retrieve it.While he was out of the hunting line another covey was flushed and Cheney swung on a bird and fired striking Whittington in the chest,neck and face at approximately 30 yards.


As for deconstructing my arguments...HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

I`ll allow you you`re denial for metal health purposes. 8)

chefmike
02-04-2007, 03:41 AM
Dick Cheney cannot kill by shooting someone.

Of course he can't.

How many draft deferments did he have?

Was it 6, 7, 8...?

Or maybe it was just 5...a true patriot.

LG
02-05-2007, 03:06 AM
Impossible to kill a guy with a 28 Ga. Perazzi Brescia loaded with bird shot (7 1/2) unless it`s point blank.

And how would you know? Have you tried?

Anyway, the truth is that Whittington could have died. Not only did the bullet enter his skin but it lodged itself in or near his heart. Even someone with a basic understanding of how the heart works can understand how delicate that organ is.

According to ESPN Outdoors:


Hospital officials said they knew that Whittington had some birdshot near his heart ever since Cheney accidentally shot him Saturday evening while aiming for a quail. The pellet always was at risk of moving closer since scar tissue had not had time to harden and remain in place, they said.

They said they are not concerned about other birdshot — widely estimated to be between six and 200 pieces — that might still be lodged in Whittington's body. Cheney was using 7½ shot from a 28-gauge shotgun.

The doctors said Whittington did not experience classic symptoms of a heart attack, but they estimate that he probably had a minor one around 7:30 a.m. ET.

They said they decided to treat the situation "conservatively" rather than conduct surgery to remove the pellet. They said he could live a healthy life with it left in place.

Asked whether the pellet could move further into the heart and become fatal, hospital officials said that was a hypothetical question they could not answer. But they said they are extremely optimistic that he will recover.

The shot was either touching or embedded in the heart muscle near the top chambers, called the atria, they said. Two things resulted:

# It caused inflammation that pushed on the heart in a way to temporarily block blood flow, what the doctors called a "silent heart attack." This is not a traditional heart attack where an artery is blocked. They said Whittington's arteries, in fact, were healthy.

# It irritated the atria, caused an irregular heartbeat known as atrial fibrillation, which is not immediately life-threatening. But it must be treated because long-term it can spur blood clots to form. Most cases can be corrected with medication.

White House physicians who attended to Whittington at the scene after Cheney accidentally shot him helped advise the course of treatment, the hospital officials said.

Whittington had initially been placed in intensive care after the accident. He had been moved to a "step-down unit" Monday after doctors decided to leave several birdshot pellets lodged in his skin rather than try to remove them.

The accident raised questions about Cheney's adherence to hunting safety practices and the White House's failure to disclose the accident in a timely way.

The Texas Parks and Wildlife Department gave Cheney and Whittington warning citations for breaking Texas hunting law by failing to buy a $7 stamp allowing them to shoot upland game birds.

A department spokesman said warnings are being issued in most cases because the stamp requirement only went into effect five months ago and many hunters weren't aware of it.

Cheney's office said Monday night in a statement that Cheney had a $125 nonresident hunting license and has sent a $7 check to cover the cost of the stamp.

Katharine Armstrong, a witness to the accident and owner of the ranch where the shooting occurred, said Whittington made a mistake by not announcing that he had walked up to rejoin the hunting line after going to retrieve his bird, and Cheney didn't see him as he took a shot.

Several hunting safety experts agreed in interviews that it would have been a good idea for Whittington to announce himself. But every expert interviewed stressed that the shooter is responsible for avoiding other people.


You? Deconstructing my points? Like I said: HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

And HA!

guyone
02-05-2007, 03:24 AM
Who Killed Clinton's Dog?
What did Buddy know, and when did he know it?
By Mickey Kaus
Posted Wednesday, Jan. 9, 2002, at 5:43 PM ET
[Note: Kausfiles received the following from a gravelly-voiced outdoorsman in Arkansas who refused to give his name.]
"It was strictly an accident. The dog just darted out." That is what the media wants us to believe about the death of Buddy, Bill Clinton's
4-year-old Labrador retriever. (See "Who Is Buddy?" Wall Street Journal, Dec. 1997.) But is the truth about this—the latest Clinton casualty—that conveniently simple?
What do we really know about Buddy's death? Who stood to benefit? Consider the following:
On Dec. 19, 2001 Clinton has a meeting in his Harlem office to discuss ways to repair his "battered" image. The meeting is described in the New York Times as having a "special urgency." An image-building speech on globalization at Yale has apparently not brought Clinton the expected public sympathy.
Democratic leaders, Clinton is reported to have said, had not spoken up sufficiently on his behalf. They could not be relied on.
Present at the meeting was Bruce Lindsey, Clinton's secretive consigliere and the man entrusted with the Clintons' most distasteful tasks.
Exactly two weeks later, Buddy was dead. As could have been predicted, Clinton benefited from a wave of public sympathy—sympathy he hadn't felt since at least Sept. 11. Clinton's office almost instantly issued a press statement saying the Clintons were "deeply saddened by Buddy's death."
It's almost as if it had been planned all along.
A look at the actual circumstances of Buddy's demise does little to allay suspicions. As many as nine strange facts remain uninvestigated. Consider:

THE NINE SUSPICIOUS FACTS ABOUT BUDDY'S DEATH

1. With all the high-tech security available to an ex-president on the Chappaqua property, the Clintons had apparently somehow failed to install what a dog expert called "the one essential safety feature, an invisible fence." This system would have given Buddy a small shock as he neared the property line, warning him not to cross it. Unless, of course, it had been turned off.

2. We are told that on Jan. 2, the day of Buddy's mysterious, violent end, "neither Clinton nor his wife was at home." Is this really a coincidence? Would the former first couple pay $1.7 million for a suburban headquarters and then just happen to not be at home when their dog is killed? On the other hand, if you wanted to do away with your dog, you'd want no fingerprints. Wouldn't you arrange to be out of town that day?

3. Would the trained ex-presidential personnel entrusted with Buddy's care really unintentionally allow him to "bolt" through the "front door" chasing a "contractor"? Who were these handlers? Why haven't such key eyewitnesses been subpoenaed?

4. Who was the shadowy "contractor" and why did he leave in such a hurry? What was he installing at the Clintons' residence, which had been fully remodeled several years ago? Isn't it strange that he would leave the gate open, when any "contractor" worth his salt knows that an open gate plus a dog equals a lawsuit?

5. Buddy is said to have "scampered" fully "600 feet down the road," and then another 100 feet on heavily traveled Route 117 before he was hit. Have you ever "scampered" 600 feet, the length of two football fields?

6. The 17-year-old "high school senior" who allegedly ran over Buddy has been described in the press as a "pretty brunette"—the same description, practically, that was once applied to White House intern Monica Lewinsky. What, if any, was her connection with the ex-president?

7. It is illegal in Chappaqua to allow a dog to run outside your property without a leash unless the dog is "under the owner's voice or visual control." Was Buddy actually being controlled? If not, who decided, at what level, to break the law? Why did an employee of the town clerk's office in heavily Democratic Chappaqua tell the New York Post (Jan. 4) that the penalty for violating this regulation only applies if a dog is picked up by a dog catcher?

8. Celebrity dog trainer Bash Dibra has now come forward, in the Post (Jan. 4), to say that he strictly advised Clinton to always use a leash with Buddy outside the home. Why was this celebrity advice ignored?

9. Writing in the New York Times, a former Clinton aide, now a shadowy "communications consultant," discloses that when Clinton was in office—perhaps at the very height of the impeachment scandal—Buddy would "pad on down to the basement of the West Wing, poking his nose into the wastebaskets outside Sidney Blumenthal's office." Yes, that Sidney Blumenthal, the partisan conspiratorialist who is so often at the center of Clintonian machinations—the same Sidney Blumenthal who had seemingly eerily anticipated last week's deadly event by writing a play about a scandal involving the president's dog. Why Blumenthal's trash, and no one else's? What did the doomed Labrador find there? Had Buddy smelled too much?
Connect the dots. It doesn't add up. No other conclusion seems even possible. Perhaps some subpoenas would help shake loose the real story. But who in Congress will step forward to do what is necessary?
Remember: When they say it's not about the leash, it's about the leash!
***********
LATE-BREAKING EVIDENCE OF COVERUP
One who might know the answer to some of the questions surrounding Buddy is Trumper, Buddy's neighbor. (See "Who Is Trumper?" WSJ, Aug. 2001.) But, as if to silence this witness months before the event, Trumper, a Shih Tzu, was put down by its owner in October. Was Trumper ill—or simply another name on the growing list of Clinton victims?

White_Male_Canada
02-05-2007, 03:31 AM
And how would you know? Have you tried?

Anyway, the truth is that Whittington could have died. Not only did the bullet...
You? Deconstructing my points? Like I said: HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

And HA

You`re an idiot. A shotgun shooting #7 1/2 is not shooting a "bullet"

I`s birdshot. Pellets as small or smaller than a bb(2.4mm). That`s why no operation. Too small to be a threat.

The more you laugh the more of a fool you present yourself to be.

A bullet :smh

LG
02-05-2007, 03:52 AM
Sorry, sorry...a pellet. Okay? Wrong word. So sue me! It's not important anyway.

You can tell I do not hunt (and English is my second language anyway). Anyway, you failed to deal with my point. And the reason that there was no operation, dimwit, is that, according to USA Today:


Doctors said it would be riskier to remove the pellet, causing more damage, than to leave it in place in the hope that the body will safely wall it off with scar tissue.

In any case, had the pellet been an inch further it could have caused far more serious damage.

Anyway, we're even. I may not know shit about hunting but it seems you don't know shit about the human body.

specialk
02-05-2007, 04:55 AM
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