The Kinda Girl You Bring Home to Mom...

[T-chaser]

Hey everybody, I am pretty new here and this is my first real post. I just want to say that I think T-girls are in fact the most beautiful beings on the planet. Don't have a great collection of photos as of yet, but I am hoping a few of you guys might want to help out with this particular topic... I suspect that you can all catch the drift...

[T-chaser]

Sum Mo

[Cobra78]

This is my first post as well. Great site and forum! My interest in Tgirls is also on a level bordering on obsession. I've met some really great ones, both online and in person.

Hope to talk to a few on here and get some great photos.

Vanity...god. She is STUNNING. I could sit and look at her all day long. :o

Stay frosty, girls. 8)

[T-chaser]

Severe hotness factor

[Felicia Katt]

ok, how about an informal poll?

how many of you guys out there have ever brought a t-girl home to meet their families? or to the office christmas party?

How many of you would?
just a thought?

meow

[hwbs]

my mother and sister had talked on the phone with my ts girlfriend(s)...they havent met yet...they are aware of my lifestyle but i dont think they are ready yet 4 that...if they want to meet , then its on them ..dont want to create any bad situations .....



pickles

[Ecstatic]

Being married, I think I would have a harder time showing up with another woman than with the fact that the other woman is a tgirl. :oops:
My wife is very much OK with it (thank you hun, muah), but I doubt the rest of the family would be.

Of course, I like to think that, if I were single, I would be quite happy and proud to show up to a family get together or an office party with whomever I'm dating, but that's just speculation. (Nice fantasy, though.)

[T-chaser]

Ecstatic, help me out with a couple pics here to get the "balls" rollin!

[T-chaser]

"ok, how about an informal poll?

how many of you guys out there have ever brought a t-girl home to meet their families? or to the office christmas party?"

All I can say is that, I will cross that bridge when I come to it... hopefully!

[Ecstatic]

Ecstatic, help me out with a couple pics here to get the "balls" rollin!
OK, dude...here's Kyla, a gorgeous girl I spent an hour with this past June. I've been with some gorgeous women, but she was all girl, as bouncy as any girl I dated in high school. Her cock seemed almost incongruous; I felt like I was with a high school cheerleader! Totally natural, flawlessly pretty face, blonde, implant-free breasts so soft, and a sweet girl's voice. Kyla is so feminine, I was actually reluctant to reach between her legs in fear that she might really be a girl and not a tgirl at all (no worries there). Would I take her home to Mom (assuming I were single)? You betcha! She was fun to be with and made me feel 30 years younger.

[mykeylykey]

Mom . . . maybe, dad . . . no-way. Dude's a total perv. I'd bug out he'd wanna go 3-way :o . . .

[mykeylykey]

lot'a more . . .

[mykeylykey]

more yum yum's . . .

[mykeylykey]

roundin' off the list . . .

[phungu2]

more yum yum's . . .

anyone know if does camilla escorts?

[T-chaser]

Ummm, It would be a glorious day!

[Cobra78]

Good question. I think the problem is that transexuals and their male and female admirers are usually stuck somewhere in the nowhere land of acceptance. Tgirls and their lovers can often annoy and alienate themselves from the gay community, while at the same time freaking out the str8 community. It's a lose-lose situation either way.

I for haven't been far enough long in a relationship with one to get to the point of bringing one home to the family. Then again, I hope that I'd have enough confidence in my self to be able to do so, regardless of what anyone might think. It is afterall the 21st century. The times they are a changin'.

[kaysla]

Can anyone tell me who is the girl in the pic 9 hot ts 9

[mykeylykey]

PHUNGU (cool handle) :wink: .

Sorry to disappoint bro. Word around the campfire is that she stopped working her ad about a year of two ago. Damn shame too,
one of the south florida's hottest . . .

Anybody heard diff, let us know . . .

peace,
mykey

[T-chaser]

In dedication to the Red Sox!

[LBCDO]

When I was dating Sheeba, she met my mother and father several times and there was never a thought raise that she might be a TS

[magic9inch]

my mother would hrut me if she find out i broguth a tranny home. trannies are my best kept secret

[ManMoMiu]

Hi all, I have been reading this board off and on for a couple of months, and no one likes a permanent lurker so I thought I would contribute. The different backgrounds on this board and opinions are really interesting.

So anyway... Tally one for the brought your girlfriend home column.

In addition to brought home and met the family, she has met all my friends, has been to the office and out with colleagues, on family vacations, etc.

Very lucky to be going on 5 years with a special lady.

ManMoMiu

[d]

my mother would hrut me if she find out i broguth a tranny home. trannies are my best kept secret

how old are u and why are u afraid of your momma?

[magic9inch]

my mother is very religious, i dont stay with my mother, i have my own apartment.

[Elpachio]

Sum Mo

http://www.hungangels.com/board/download.php?id=12114

That's such a nice photo - I love the way she looks all petite as she's been done up the ass.............so cute.

[T-chaser]

I had to post this picture in this thread. This is my dream girl. Anone else care to post?

[phungu2]

Mom, I'd like you to meet my new girlfriend....

http://hungangels.com/board/download.php?id=10422

[T-chaser]

Christ, I wonder if that persons health is still intact... I can't imagine so

[T-chaser]

A few short but sweet clips...
http://world-shemale.com/gallery/20041115RAB/F02.mpg
http://world-shemale.com/gallery/20041115RAB/F03.mpg
http://world-shemale.com/gallery/20041115RAB/F05.mpg

[Mugai_hentaisha]

my mother would hrut me if she find out i broguth a tranny home. trannies are my best kept secret

how old are u and why are u afraid of your momma?


Shit "D" I am 36 a 1st degree black belt in Judo and a 2nd degree black belt in Aikido, trained in the Army spent most of my life fighting over someting and i still fear my Mom...... As she put it, " it was by my grace that you came into this world and it is by my hand you can exit it, so straighten up!"

BTW Danielle, Vicki, Allanah, Tara and Katt i think my mom would love you. Hint Hint :D :D :D

[Hugh Jarrod]

Which one would I bring home to Mom, well almost (no bullshit) brought Vanity home to meet her. As well Mia. Don't think Mia is as passable though. Most of the gurls on this thread are gorgeous beautiful gurls. If I were to bring one home to mom though sh'd have to have a great attitude, and personalitiy too. Not saying that to be cliche, it's how I honestlty feel.

[thehumanbehan]

If you're bringing your T girlfriend home to meet your Mother I don't see why it matters if she's passable or not. You're introducing her to your mother as a transexual not a girl. The fact that whether she passes as a GG or not is irrelevant. I have a TS girlfriend and we've been going out for 6 months now and we plan to be living together as of the end of June this year. This is when I plan to tell my close family that she is transexual.

[Hugh Jarrod]

If you're bringing your T girlfriend home to meet your Mother I don't see why it matters if she's passable or not. You're introducing her to your mother as a transexual not a girl. The fact that whether she passes as a GG or not is irrelevant. I have a TS girlfriend and we've been going out for 6 months now and we plan to be living together as of the end of June this year. This is when I plan to tell my close family that she is transexual.

Actually you're right it shouldn't and come to think of it, it doesn't. The thing for me though still is the type of person she is. Personality, attitude etc. but then again that;s the whole reason for dating in the first place. I'm not going to date someone who's personality I can't stand.

[LG]

thehumanbehan wrote:


You're introducing her to your mother as a transexual not a girl. The fact that whether she passes as a GG or not is irrelevant. I have a TS girlfriend and we've been going out for 6 months now and we plan to be living together as of the end of June this year. This is when I plan to tell my close family that she is transexual.

Exactly. You wouldn't introduce anyone to your mother or to the rest of the family unless you cared enough about that person to want to live with them, perhaps for the rest of your life. I think I would definitely bring a t-girl home and tell my family the truth about her if I really was in love with her. Most family members would be understanding anyway (maybe they wouldn't quite understand but they would, nonetheless try to). But what about my friends, especially my male friends? Could I count on their support? Unlikely. But how honest and how fair is it to live a lie by pretending to be with a girl?

Have you told your friends humanbehan ? And how did they, especially the men, react? You see, I think unless one is attracted to tgs, one can't quite see the attraction.

Cobra78 wrote:

I think the problem is that transexuals and their male and female admirers are usually stuck somewhere in the nowhere land of acceptance. Tgirls and their lovers can often annoy and alienate themselves from the gay community, while at the same time freaking out the str8 community. It's a lose-lose situation either way.

I agree. Even though gays are almost in the mainstream, transexuals are still regarded as odd, curious, even freaks by many people (I know this is what some of my friends think). I think most people I know would have an easier time accepting me to be gay (which I'm not and have never shown signs of being) than a tranny-lover. People still associate transexuals with drag-queens. In some small communities a transgendered person is more often pities than feared but never admired. Even though some artists, actors and directors have manages to drive transgenderism into the public conscience, their films (such as those of Almodovar) still protray the world of transgenderism as seedy, even warped.

It doesn't help that there are so many expressions and words to describe M2Fs, especially preop M2Fs (chicks with dicks, shemales, trannies, katoeys and ladyboys- for Asian M2Fs, hung angels, dolls with balls, cocks in frocks, etc). And now that post ops are allowed to change their birth certificates to reflect their new gender in some countries, many macho men are frightened to death that they may be tricked.

It also doesn't help that the transegendered community (and their admirers) don't have an organisation like GLAAD (as far as I know) so that they can collectively campaign for acceptance.

Finally, I remember once seeing a terrible film (made in the late 1970s or 1980s) on video about a series of murder (I think it was at a high school or college). Turns out the killer was a teacher there and a woman who used to be a man. That kind of movie when it was made both reflected and helped to shape society's view of the transgendered. Since then, I fear, not much has changed.

Increase the peace.

[LG]

thehumanbehan wrote:


You're introducing her to your mother as a transexual not a girl. The fact that whether she passes as a GG or not is irrelevant. I have a TS girlfriend and we've been going out for 6 months now and we plan to be living together as of the end of June this year. This is when I plan to tell my close family that she is transexual.

Exactly. You wouldn't introduce anyone to your mother or to the rest of the family unless you cared enough about that person to want to live with them, perhaps for the rest of your life. I think I would definitely bring a t-girl home and tell my family the truth about her if I really was in love with her. Most family members would be understanding anyway (maybe they wouldn't quite understand but they would, nonetheless try to). But what about my friends, especially my male friends? Could I count on their support? Unlikely. But how honest and how fair is it to live a lie by pretending to be with a girl?

Have you told your friends humanbehan ? And how did they, especially the men, react? You see, I think unless one is attracted to tgs, one can't quite see the attraction.

Cobra78 wrote:

I think the problem is that transexuals and their male and female admirers are usually stuck somewhere in the nowhere land of acceptance. Tgirls and their lovers can often annoy and alienate themselves from the gay community, while at the same time freaking out the str8 community. It's a lose-lose situation either way.

I agree. Even though gays are almost in the mainstream, transexuals are still regarded as odd, curious, even freaks by many people (I know this is what some of my friends think). I think most people I know would have an easier time accepting me to be gay (which I'm not and have never shown signs of being) than a tranny-lover. People still associate transexuals with drag-queens. In some small communities a transgendered person is more often pities than feared but never admired. Even though some artists, actors and directors have manages to drive transgenderism into the public conscience, their films (such as those of Almodovar) still protray the world of transgenderism as seedy, even warped.

It doesn't help that there are so many expressions and words to describe M2Fs, especially preop M2Fs (chicks with dicks, shemales, trannies, katoeys and ladyboys- for Asian M2Fs, hung angels, dolls with balls, cocks in frocks, etc). And now that post ops are allowed to change their birth certificates to reflect their new gender in some countries, many macho men are frightened to death that they may be tricked.

It also doesn't help that the transegendered community (and their admirers) don't have an organisation like GLAAD (as far as I know) so that they can collectively campaign for acceptance.

Finally, I remember once seeing a terrible film (made in the late 1970s or 1980s) on video about a series of murder (I think it was at a high school or college). Turns out the killer was a teacher there and a woman who used to be a man. That kind of movie when it was made both reflected and helped to shape society's view of the transgendered. Since then, I fear, not much has changed.

Increase the peace.

[Hugh Jarrod]

I know this regardless if she's a T or G if she's a very sexy gurl (girl) she's the kind you don't bring home to Mama. Rick James taught me that.

[ONEWORLD]

I agree. Even though gays are almost in the mainstream, transexuals are still regarded as odd, curious, even freaks by many people (I know this is what some of my friends think). I think most people I know would have an easier time accepting me to be gay (which I'm not and have never shown signs of being) than a tranny-lover. People still associate transexuals with drag-queens...

It also doesn't help that the transegendered community (and their admirers) don't have an organisation like GLAAD (as far as I know) so that they can collectively campaign for acceptance.

YES, ONE PROBLEM WITH THE WHOLE GAY RIGHT CAMPAIGN IS THEIR FACE OR IMAGE TO THE PUBLIC. FOR SOME REASON THEY ALLOW US STRAIGHTS TO CATEGORIZE THEM. THE TRANSGENDERED, CROSS-DRESSERS, THE LEATHER GROUPS, FETISHIST, AND OTHER “DEVIANT” LIFESTYLES ARE ALL LUMPED TOGETHER WITH GAYS AND LESBIANS. IT SEEMS THAT ANY LIFESTYLE THAT ISN’T MAINSTREAM IS THROWN TOGETHER...

TRANSEXUALS WOULD DO THEMSELVES A GREAT SERVICE IF THEY WOULD CUT LOOSE THE OTHER GROUPS AND GO FOR SELF…LIKE THE GAYS & LESBIANS HAVE DONE. IT’S A LOT EASIER TO DEMAND RESPECT AND EQUAL RIGHTS WHEN YOU DON’T HAVE A 45 YEAR OLD NAKED MAN IN LEATHER CHAPS AND A POLICE CAP DROWNING OUT YOUR MESSAGE WITH SCREAMS OF “RIDE ME COWBOY”, LOL…OR A SIX-FOOT CROSS-DRESSER CLAIMING TO BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST...

SOME HOW WE CONVINCED THEM THAT THEY ALL BELONG TOGETHER; EVENTHOUGH THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN COMMON…

WHY DON’T THESE GURLS FIGHT FOR MARRIAGE AND RIGHTS SEPARATE FROM GAYS AND LEBIANS?…

IF THE FIRST ACCOUNTS OF GAY WEDDINGS WERE PICTURES OF GURLS LIKE VANITY AND DANIELLE GETTING MARRIED TO STRAIGHT DUDES; THERE WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN AN UPROAR OR BACKLASH…

THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT SYMPATHY AND PHONECALLS ON “HOW CAN I GET ME ONE”? LOL.

[Hugh Jarrod]

I agree. Even though gays are almost in the mainstream, transexuals are still regarded as odd, curious, even freaks by many people (I know this is what some of my friends think). I think most people I know would have an easier time accepting me to be gay (which I'm not and have never shown signs of being) than a tranny-lover. People still associate transexuals with drag-queens...

It also doesn't help that the transegendered community (and their admirers) don't have an organisation like GLAAD (as far as I know) so that they can collectively campaign for acceptance.

YES, ONE PROBLEM WITH THE WHOLE GAY RIGHT CAMPAIGN IS THEIR FACE OR IMAGE TO THE PUBLIC. FOR SOME REASON THEY ALLOW US STRAIGHTS TO CATEGORIZE THEM. THE TRANSGENDERED, CROSS-DRESSERS, THE LEATHER GROUPS, FETISHIST, AND OTHER “DEVIANT” LIFESTYLES ARE ALL LUMPED TOGETHER WITH GAYS AND LESBIANS. IT SEEMS THAT ANY LIFESTYLE THAT ISN’T MAINSTREAM IS THROWN TOGETHER...

TRANSEXUALS WOULD DO THEMSELVES A GREAT SERVICE IF THEY WOULD CUT LOOSE THE OTHER GROUPS AND GO FOR SELF…LIKE THE GAYS & LESBIANS HAVE DONE. IT’S A LOT EASIER TO DEMAND RESPECT AND EQUAL RIGHTS WHEN YOU DON’T HAVE A 45 YEAR OLD NAKED MAN IN LEATHER CHAPS AND A POLICE CAP DROWNING OUT YOUR MESSAGE WITH SCREAMS OF “RIDE ME COWBOY”, LOL…OR A SIX-FOOT CROSS-DRESSER CLAIMING TO BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST...

SOME HOW WE CONVINCED THEM THAT THEY ALL BELONG TOGETHER; EVENTHOUGH THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN COMMON…

WHY DON’T THESE GURLS FIGHT FOR MARRIAGE AND RIGHTS SEPARATE FROM GAYS AND LEBIANS?…

IF THE FIRST ACCOUNTS OF GAY WEDDINGS WERE PICTURES OF GURLS LIKE VANITY AND DANIELLE GETTING MARRIED TO STRAIGHT DUDES; THERE WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN AN UPROAR OR BACKLASH…

THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT SYMPATHY AND PHONECALLS ON “HOW CAN I GET ME ONE”? LOL.


Amen.

[LBCDO]

IF THE FIRST ACCOUNTS OF GAY WEDDINGS WERE PICTURES OF GURLS LIKE VANITY AND DANIELLE GETTING MARRIED TO STRAIGHT DUDES; THERE WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN AN UPROAR OR BACKLASH…

THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT SYMPATHY AND PHONECALLS ON “HOW CAN I GET ME ONE”? LOL.

That is very very true. Problem is, that would "out" some girls, and it would take pioneers. It soudns easy on screen, but damn, i know some passable girls that are living as GGs and they would definately NOT want to be "outed". But I know some who can care less and would be willing to do something like that.

I just picked up the local ATL adult free magazine today [XCitement] and they had an article on the AVN awards. They had photos of all these adult performers, one being Vanity. Not in the writeup, picture or anything did they mention she was a TS. I think that if the issue is raised in a sensible way through different outlets, then it may increase public acceptance. See, there are TONS of people who like TSs.

Want an indicator? Im not that old, but Ive been using computers for the past 14 years, solidly. I remember the BBSs that had 20,000 of XXX pictures, and 10 of those were TS porn. Usually the TS stuff had MORE if not the same amoutn of downloads as everything else. Was the market not there? I doutn that it was simply supply. Go to your local adult video store and look at the videos at the video booth. We all know that usually the Gay videos dominate the shelves, but lately Ive noticed the TS movies have as many TS videos playing as the gay and straight movies. Hmmm... What about the TS movies moving from Fetish to its own Transexual section? HOw many TSs are in your average free adult newspaper?

See, the admirers are there. Its just the ones that are willing to "Come out the closet". But thats is understandibly hard for some when you have shows that do things distrastefully like Jerry Springer. But if we had more shows like Maury who arent making the girls look like freaks, then maybe thats a small step. Naw, Maury can do better. He does all these shows on obese kids, people with disabilities, wives being treated wrong, but never anything showing sympathy for someone gay or transgendered; at least that I can recall off the top of my head. See, its too taboo.

We have all types of movies like Ace Ventura and Billy Madison with small jokes on TSs. How about we get a film with a "manly man" like hmm... George Clooney or Brad Pitt acting with a JLO or Eva Mendez and then we find out that the female role is really a TS? To my knowledge we have no TS actors, but how about a movie where being a TS/Gay isnt the main focus? Or people are crossdressing to get into a sorority or hide from someone, whatever the case? Hell, with all the actors that I know for FACT are serious tranny chasers on the low, Im sure someone would take the role.

[LBCDO]

IF THE FIRST ACCOUNTS OF GAY WEDDINGS WERE PICTURES OF GURLS LIKE VANITY AND DANIELLE GETTING MARRIED TO STRAIGHT DUDES; THERE WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN AN UPROAR OR BACKLASH…

THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT SYMPATHY AND PHONECALLS ON “HOW CAN I GET ME ONE”? LOL.

That is very very true. Problem is, that would "out" some girls, and it would take pioneers. It soudns easy on screen, but damn, i know some passable girls that are living as GGs and they would definately NOT want to be "outed". But I know some who can care less and would be willing to do something like that.

I just picked up the local ATL adult free magazine today [XCitement] and they had an article on the AVN awards. They had photos of all these adult performers, one being Vanity. Not in the writeup, picture or anything did they mention she was a TS. I think that if the issue is raised in a sensible way through different outlets, then it may increase public acceptance. See, there are TONS of people who like TSs.

Want an indicator? Im not that old, but Ive been using computers for the past 14 years, solidly. I remember the BBSs that had 20,000 of XXX pictures, and 10 of those were TS porn. Usually the TS stuff had MORE if not the same amoutn of downloads as everything else. Was the market not there? I doutn that it was simply supply. Go to your local adult video store and look at the videos at the video booth. We all know that usually the Gay videos dominate the shelves, but lately Ive noticed the TS movies have as many TS videos playing as the gay and straight movies. Hmmm... What about the TS movies moving from Fetish to its own Transexual section? HOw many TSs are in your average free adult newspaper?

See, the admirers are there. Its just the ones that are willing to "Come out the closet". But thats is understandibly hard for some when you have shows that do things distrastefully like Jerry Springer. But if we had more shows like Maury who arent making the girls look like freaks, then maybe thats a small step. Naw, Maury can do better. He does all these shows on obese kids, people with disabilities, wives being treated wrong, but never anything showing sympathy for someone gay or transgendered; at least that I can recall off the top of my head. See, its too taboo.

We have all types of movies like Ace Ventura and Billy Madison with small jokes on TSs. How about we get a film with a "manly man" like hmm... George Clooney or Brad Pitt acting with a JLO or Eva Mendez and then we find out that the female role is really a TS? To my knowledge we have no TS actors, but how about a movie where being a TS/Gay isnt the main focus? Or people are crossdressing to get into a sorority or hide from someone, whatever the case? Hell, with all the actors that I know for FACT are serious tranny chasers on the low, Im sure someone would take the role.

[Chica]

We have all types of movies like Ace Ventura and Billy Madison with small jokes on TSs. How about we get a film with a "manly man" like hmm... George Clooney or Brad Pitt acting with a JLO or Eva Mendez and then we find out that the female role is really a TS? To my knowledge we have no TS actors, but how about a movie where being a TS/Gay isnt the main focus? Or people are crossdressing to get into a sorority or hide from someone, whatever the case? Hell, with all the actors that I know for FACT are serious tranny chasers on the low, Im sure someone would take the role.

There is one that I recall, I don't remember the movie name, but it was a James Bond one, quite old. Roberta Close, someone whom I look up to starred in that, she was unknown and no one thought anything of her, until a British newspaper outed her, and that spoiled her movie career.

Theres loads of things on her if you do a search on google.

[Hugh Jarrod]

[quote=LG]
IF THE FIRST ACCOUNTS OF GAY WEDDINGS WERE PICTURES OF GURLS LIKE VANITY AND DANIELLE GETTING MARRIED TO STRAIGHT DUDES; THERE WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN AN UPROAR OR BACKLASH…

Well then it wouldn't be gay. Unless they were marrying each other. A man marrying a man, or a woman marrying a woman is gay. So a TS marrying a TS would be gay.

[Hugh Jarrod]

We have all types of movies like Ace Ventura and Billy Madison with small jokes on TSs. How about we get a film with a "manly man" like hmm... George Clooney or Brad Pitt acting with a JLO or Eva Mendez and then we find out that the female role is really a TS? To my knowledge we have no TS actors, but how about a movie where being a TS/Gay isnt the main focus? Or people are crossdressing to get into a sorority or hide from someone, whatever the case? Hell, with all the actors that I know for FACT are serious tranny chasers on the low, Im sure someone would take the role.


Better yet have the TS played by a real TS.

[Ecstatic]

There is one that I recall, I don't remember the movie name, but it was a James Bond one, quite old. Roberta Close, someone whom I look up to starred in that, she was unknown and no one thought anything of her, until a British newspaper outed her, and that spoiled her movie career.

Theres loads of things on her if you do a search on google.
Chica, I think the film you're thinking of is the 1981 production For Your Eyes Only, the 12th Bond film and 5th for Roger Moore, and the transsexual involved was not Roberta Close but Tula (stage name for Caroline Cossey, who began life in 1954 as Barry Cossey and had her SRS in 1974). Tula worked as a model and actress from 1979 to 1986, but her acting career was severely disrupted when the News of the World outed her as a transsexual following the release of the movie. Apparently no one in the movie production knew that she had once been he, and it caused quite a stir and led to the urban legend, still in active e-mail circulation, that one of the "Bond girls" with whom Moore had a "steamy love scene" was a transsexual. In fact, her role was very small, as one of 10 pool girls who are shown in one scene with Moore; he never interacted with her in the movie. Playboy, once the story was out, included Tula prominently as a "Bond girl" in one issue (feeding the urban legend) and later, in one of it's most daring, controversial, and highly criticized pictorials, featured Tula au naturale by herself (many subscribers, who were turned on by her beauty, where subsequently disgusted when they found out she was a transsexual--of course, we all know that says far more about their own fears, repressions and conflictions than it does about her).

Caroline attempted to marry the Italian Count Glauco in 1983, but the marriage was blocked by legal complications (under English law she was still considered male). She was married in 1989 to Elias Fattal in London, but Fattal quickly left her following their honeymoon, and the marriage was then annulled by the High Court (the ruling specified that the bride and groom had not been female and male). Caroline has written about her life, first in the 1982 book, Tula: I Am a Woman and then in My Story, her 1991 autobiography. Last I heard she had resumed her modelling career and finally successfully married a Canadian, David Finch.

I'll bet John Lennon never anticipated Tula when he sang "She's the kind of a girl / who makes the News of the World / yeah you could say she was attractively built"!

As far as I know, Roberta Close, another beautiful and successful transsexual who has had a strong career as a model and actress, has never appeared in a James Bond film. She was only 17 when For Your Eyes Only was filmed, and did not have her SRS until 1989. From what I've read, she was happy as a pre-op girl but decided on her SRS following pressure from photographers and agents. I don't know if it's true, but I've read that once she became a woman, she regarded menstruation as an important aspect of womanhood and started to wear tampons stained with chicken blood to simulate her monthly period. She was in fact once voted the most beautiful woman in Brazil, and counts among her lovers and admirers (at least according to her kiss-and-tell autobiography Muito Prazer, Roberta Close (Much Pleasure), published in 1998) Robert DeNiro, George Clooney, Eddie Murphy, and Francis Coppola. She married Roland Granacher, a Swiss manager, in 1993, though they separated in 2000.

[TrueBeauty TS]

[quote=LG]
IF THE FIRST ACCOUNTS OF GAY WEDDINGS WERE PICTURES OF GURLS LIKE VANITY AND DANIELLE GETTING MARRIED TO STRAIGHT DUDES; THERE WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN AN UPROAR OR BACKLASH…

Well then it wouldn't be gay. Unless they were marrying each other. A man marrying a man, or a woman marrying a woman is gay. So a TS marrying a TS would be gay.

No. It doesn't matter what the people look like. If the straight guy and the (pre-op) TS were getting married, it would still be considered "gay". The law only cares about what genitals people have. Not what they look like, how they live in society, what their chromosones are, what their hormones levels are, etc...


The only way a guy and a TS can legally get married is if she had the full SRS (she would have to be Post-op) and had her birth certificate changed to "female" by the courts.

[Ecstatic]

The only way a guy and a TS can legally get married is if she had the full SRS (she would have to be Post-op) and had her birth certificate changed to "female" by the courts.
Not quite true, TrueBeauty. Here in Massachusetts same sex couples can indeed be legally married; doesn't matter if one of them is a pre-op TS and the other an otherwise straight male. Of course, the Massachusetts law caused and is continuing to stir trouble throughout these United States, and it quite possibly cost Kerry the election this past November, but it is indeed fully legal here. Many states also honor same sex marriages performed in Massachusetts (though some have not, and the heat is just starting). Yes, technically is is seen as "same sex" marriage, but that's really irrelevant since the point of the law is NOT that same sex couples can marry (which is true), but that the sexual ID of the couple is NOT relevant to whether they can marry in Massachusetts. However, all the news stories and personal anecdotes I've heard thus far have related to gay and lesbian couples; I don't know if there's been any pre-op TS/male marriages in Mass. as yet, only that it is legal for them to marry.

Other countries are even ahead of Massachusetts, including as I understand it Canada and much of Europe. I believe that in the UK now a pre-op TS can still legally change her driver's license to read "female." That hasn't happened here...yet.

Unfortunately, you are correct about the remaining 49 states. Sigh.

[LG]

Hugh Jarrod wrote:


LG wrote:

IF THE FIRST ACCOUNTS OF GAY WEDDINGS WERE PICTURES OF GURLS LIKE VANITY AND DANIELLE GETTING MARRIED TO STRAIGHT DUDES; THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AN UPROAR OR BACKLASH...

Well then it wouldn't be gay. Unless they were marrying each other. A man marrying a man, or a woman marrying a woman is gay. So a TS marrying a TS would be gay

No, I didn't say that. And even though I don't appreciate being misquoted, I do actually kind of agree with ONEWORLD who did write it.

Let's not get into the whole "am I gay for liking transexuals?" debate again. If you're talking about preops, especially, half the world would consider you gay and legally you would be entering into a same-sex marriage even if you didn't consider yourself gay (and I don't, but I would date Danielle Foxxx or Vicky Richter in a New York minute) and would be illegal in some countries and US states.

Some postops have dated eligible bachelors (who no doubt got a lot of stick for it) and names like Roberta Close, Caroline Cossey, Bibi Anderson and Jenny Hiloudaki come to mind. But I have never heard of any male celebrity openly dating a preop (which is a shame for two reasons- firstly for them , because many of them- from the reports that filter through- actually like t-girls, and secondly for us, because if Eddie Murphy actually came out and said: "Yeah, I like shemales, got a problem?" it would make it seem more 'OK' for me to do so as well) .

I think it will be a while before transexuals themselves are in the mainstream, before their rights are fully recognized, before the porn moves out of the fetish category and the adult video store guys don't snigger when I buy a Rogue Adventures DVD- who knows; they may enjoy it if they give it a shot. It will be a while before it's 'okay' to openly date a transexual and not be considered gay or deviant (what's more, many people still consider gays as deviant). It will be a while before men can look at a woman like Harisu, Jenny Hiloudaki and especially a beautiful preop like Vaniity and say to their friends 'I'd do her!' (and still have friends the next day). The day is coming though and one day one prominent male will stand up and say "Hey, I'm dating a beautiful preop transexual" If he's brave he might even admit to being topped. And then things will change. And then the world will finally see how many of us admirers there really are...

Until then, increase the peace

[Hugh Jarrod]

Hugh Jarrod wrote:


LG wrote:

IF THE FIRST ACCOUNTS OF GAY WEDDINGS WERE PICTURES OF GURLS LIKE VANITY AND DANIELLE GETTING MARRIED TO STRAIGHT DUDES; THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AN UPROAR OR BACKLASH...

Well then it wouldn't be gay. Unless they were marrying each other. A man marrying a man, or a woman marrying a woman is gay. So a TS marrying a TS would be gay

No, I didn't say that. And even though I don't appreciate being misquoted, I do actually kind of agree with ONEWORLD who did write it.

Let's not get into the whole "am I gay for liking transexuals?" debate again. If you're talking about preops, especially, half the world would consider you gay and legally you would be entering into a same-sex marriage even if you didn't consider yourself gay (and I don't, but I would date Danielle Foxxx or Vicky Richter in a New York minute) and would be illegal in some countries and US states.

Some postops have dated eligible bachelors (who no doubt got a lot of stick for it) and names like Roberta Close, Caroline Cossey, Bibi Anderson and Jenny Hiloudaki come to mind. But I have never heard of any male celebrity openly dating a preop (which is a shame for two reasons- firstly for them , because many of them- from the reports that filter through- actually like t-girls, and secondly for us, because if Eddie Murphy actually came out and said: "Yeah, I like shemales, got a problem?" it would make it seem more 'OK' for me to do so as well) .

I think it will be a while before transexuals themselves are in the mainstream, before their rights are fully recognized, before the porn moves out of the fetish category and the adult video store guys don't snigger when I buy a Rogue Adventures DVD- who knows; they may enjoy it if they give it a shot. It will be a while before it's 'okay' to openly date a transexual and not be considered gay or deviant (what's more, many people still consider gays as deviant). It will be a while before men can look at a woman like Harisu, Jenny Hiloudaki and especially a beautiful preop like Vaniity and say to their friends 'I'd do her!' (and still have friends the next day). The day is coming though and one day one prominent male will stand up and say "Hey, I'm dating a beautiful preop transexual" If he's brave he might even admit to being topped. And then things will change. And then the world will finally see how many of us admirers there really are...

Until then, increase the peace


Didn't mean to misquote anyone just screwd up when removing all but the quote. However just because society says its so doesn't always mean it is.

[Felicia Katt]

sorry to be the dark cloud around anyone's silver lining, but in several states, Courts have invalidated marriages between men and post operative transsexuals. In other states, they have refused to permit post ops to adopt or ruled against them on custody issues, strictly because of their TS status.

Perhaps in time the so-called Dark Ages will be thought of as including our own.
Georg Christoph Lichtenberg
(1742 - 1799)


Felicia

[TrueBeauty TS]

The only way a guy and a TS can legally get married is if she had the full SRS (she would have to be Post-op) and had her birth certificate changed to "female" by the courts.
Not quite true, TrueBeauty. Here in Massachusetts same sex couples can indeed be legally married; doesn't matter if one of them is a pre-op TS and the other an otherwise straight male. Of course, the Massachusetts law caused and is continuing to stir trouble throughout these United States, and it quite possibly cost Kerry the election this past November, but it is indeed fully legal here. Many states also honor same sex marriages performed in Massachusetts (though some have not, and the heat is just starting). Yes, technically is is seen as "same sex" marriage, but that's really irrelevant since the point of the law is NOT that same sex couples can marry (which is true), but that the sexual ID of the couple is NOT relevant to whether they can marry in Massachusetts. However, all the news stories and personal anecdotes I've heard thus far have related to gay and lesbian couples; I don't know if there's been any pre-op TS/male marriages in Mass. as yet, only that it is legal for them to marry.

Other countries are even ahead of Massachusetts, including as I understand it Canada and much of Europe. I believe that in the UK now a pre-op TS can still legally change her driver's license to read "female." That hasn't happened here...yet.

Unfortunately, you are correct about the remaining 49 states. Sigh.

OK, I guess we both know more about our own states. Because in CA, a Pre-Op CAN legally get a drivers license that says "female" on it.

[Hugh Jarrod]

sorry to be the dark cloud around anyone's silver lining, but in several states, Courts have invalidated marriages between men and post operative transsexuals. In other states, they have refused to permit post ops to adopt or ruled against them on custody issues, strictly because of their TS status.

Perhaps in time the so-called Dark Ages will be thought of as including our own.
Georg Christoph Lichtenberg
(1742 - 1799)


Felicia


As I said because society says somethnig or it's past into law doesn't make it right.

[LBCDO]

[quote=LBCDO]

Better yet have the TS played by a real TS.

I really dont know of any current day TS actors, and I doubt the idea will work with a real TS because then she is like hte "novelty" piece

[Ecstatic]

OK, I guess we both know more about our own states. Because in CA, a Pre-Op CAN legally get a drivers license that says "female" on it.
That's good to hear. I didn't know that (though actually my point was about Mass, I did mistakenly think that such was the case throughout the US). Now if CA would wrap its collective head around same sex marriage, real progress would be made. Props to the mayor of San Francisco for bucking the state to do just that, though it was overturned by the state.

[ONEWORLD]

IF THE FIRST ACCOUNTS OF GAY WEDDINGS WERE PICTURES OF GURLS LIKE VANITY AND DANIELLE GETTING MARRIED TO STRAIGHT DUDES; THERE WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN AN UPROAR OR BACKLASH…

THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT SYMPATHY AND PHONECALLS ON “HOW CAN I GET ME ONE”? LOL.

That is very very true. Problem is, that would "out" some girls, and it would take pioneers. It soudns easy on screen, but damn, i know some passable girls that are living as GGs and they would definately NOT want to be "outed". But I know some who can care less and would be willing to do something like that.


I THINK YOU’RE MISSING MY POINT…

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE GURLS THAT ARE WILLING TO “STEP UP” TO THE ALTAR AND GET MARRIED LEGALLY; AFTER ALL, YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE ALREADY TAKEN THE BOLD & COURAGEOUS STEP TO CHANGE THEIR GENDER/ IDENTITY IN THE 1ST PLACE…

WITH THE STIMGA REMOVED, A BETTER QUESTION IS HOW MANY MEN WOULD TAKE THE PLUNGE; SHIT, IT’S HARD ENOUGH GETTING MEN TO COMMIT TO GG’S, LOL…

BUT, I’M SPEAKING OF SOCIETY’S REACTION BASED ON MEDIA COVERAGE OF THE WHOLE GAY MARRIAGE PHENOMENON LAST YEAR…FOR THE MOST PART, WE SAW COUPLES OF LIKE IDENTITY GETTING HITCHED AT THE COURT HOUSE…

HOW WOULD HAVE MIDDLE AMERICA REACTED TO PICTURES OF A VANITY OR A JASMINE INTERNATIONAL BEING MARRIED TO A MAN…MOST OF THE COUNTRY HAS NEVER BEEN CONFRONTED WITH THE IMAGES OF PASSABLE TS’S…THEY’RE USED TO RUPAUL AND THE LIKE …

FURTHERMORE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MAINSTREAM ACCEPTANCE OF GAY CULTURE; WE’RE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE EMBRACING OF THE GAY WHITE MALE…

SEX & THE CITY, WILL & GRACE, QUEER EYE, QUEER AS FOLK, ETC…

THE GAY WHITE MALE IS NOT FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHTS OF THE TRANSGENDERED…AND WE KNOW THE LESBIANS DON’T GIVE A SHIT, LOL…

THE TRANSGENDERED NEED THERE OWN VOICES & PERSONALITIES…

THEY NEED THERE OWN CARSON KRESSLEY’S, SEAN HAYES’S, ELLEN DEGENERES’S, ETC…

BECAUSE YOU WILL NEVER HEAR ANY OF THESE PEOPLE UTTER A WORD ABOUT TRANSEXUALS…

[Hugh Jarrod]

[quote=LBCDO]

Better yet have the TS played by a real TS.

I really dont know of any current day TS actors, and I doubt the idea will work with a real TS because then she is like hte "novelty" piece


True but it would take someone to make that 1st step.

[Lobo]

Here in Toronto (Canada) same sex marriage is legal. But I haven't heard of even one t-girl taking advantage of it, it's pretty much been all guys marrying guys and girls marrying girls.

[LBCDO]

I THINK YOU’RE MISSING MY POINT…

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE GURLS THAT ARE WILLING TO “STEP UP” TO THE ALTAR AND GET MARRIED LEGALLY; AFTER ALL, YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE ALREADY TAKEN THE BOLD & COURAGEOUS STEP TO CHANGE THEIR GENDER/ IDENTITY IN THE 1ST PLACE…
No, i totally understand what you are saying, but like I said, i dont think I know many "passable" girls that are willing to "out" themselves like that
because then they are in the public eye, no longer passable. They are "that transvestite from channel 5". I know some passable TSs that are with their man and only the man knows, not his family. I understand that it takes a pioneer, onne courageous one, many of these extremely passable girls live as females, have relationships as females, and are cautious abotu who they let know about their past. Its one thing to say that we need pioneers, but what if their bosses, mother in laws, landlords, mechanics, gardnerers all see that broadcast and they get treated differently? It takes a courageous individual.

But dont get it twisted either. There is a lot that males can do to fight for TS rights as well. We can march, get our ass on the news, write letters, publicly display outrage just as much as anyone else. I agree with yo totally about the position of the gay white male and the benefits that come with that position, but all of those benefits didnt come just from that group fighting for themselves. It was a fight in general and they were scene as recognized. What I cant understand is, if the GLBT community is so big, how come that group didnt represent at the polls for the past election?

[/quote]

[ONEWORLD]

No, i totally understand what you are saying, but like I said, i dont think I know many "passable" girls that are willing to "out" themselves like that
because then they are in the public eye, no longer passable.

ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT THE GURLS IN PAGEANTS, BALLS, AND IN PORN WOULD BE TOO SHY TO WITHSTAND THE SCRUTINY AND MEDIA COVERAGE OF GETTING MARRIED?…

IT SEEMS LIKE YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND THE PSYCHOLOGY OF THE TRANSEXUAL…

THESE GURLS, BY NATURE, CRAVE ATTENTION AND THRIVE IN THE SPOTLIGHT…



I know some passable TSs that are with their man and only the man knows, not his family. I understand that it takes a pioneer, onne courageous one, many of these extremely passable girls live as females, have relationships as females, and are cautious abotu who they let know about their past. Its one thing to say that we need pioneers, but what if their bosses, mother in laws, landlords, mechanics, gardnerers all see that broadcast and they get treated differently? It takes a courageous individual.

I ALSO KNOW THESE GURLS…

BUT THESE ARE NOT THE GURLS THAT I’M REFERRING TOO…

I’M SPEAKING OF GURLS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE PUBLIC EYE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE…

YOU DON’T THINK A GURL THAT GRABS CHINGY’S DICK ON CAMERA ISN’T READY FOR PRIMETIME, LOL…VANITY, FOR EXAMPLE, ALREADY HAS A FOLLOWING AND A CERTAIN NAME RECOGNITION; SHE’S PASSABLE & ATTRACTIVE…SHE AND GURLS OF HER ILK COULD EASILY CHANGE OR ATLEAST SWAY OPINION IN THE GAY MARRIAGE ISSUE…

SIMPLY PUT, ATTACHING THE RIGHT FACE AND BACKSTORY TO AN ISSUE CAN INCREASE YOUR CHANCES OF SOFTENING THE OPPOSITIONS STANCE AND CHANGING OPINIONS…A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THIS IS ELIZABETH GLASER OR MAGIC JOHNSON WITH HIV/ AIDS…THERE IMAGES DID A LOT TO CHANGE PEOPLES PERCEPTIONS OF AIDS IN THE 80’S AND 90’S…



But dont get it twisted either. There is a lot that males can do to fight for TS rights as well. We can march, get our ass on the news, write letters, publicly display outrage just as much as anyone else.

YOU SEEM TO GIVE THE GURLS TOO LITTLE CREDIT AND THE FELLAS WAAAAYYY TO MUCH…

SURE THERE IS A LOT THAT WE CAN DO, BUT THE QUESTION IS WHAT WILL WE DO?…

NOTHING. MOST MEN ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO KEEP TRANSEXUALS AS “THE BEST KEPT SECRET”, LOL…THESE DUDES DON’T MIND COMING TO SITES IN SECRET, OR ORDERING UP AN ESCORT WHEN NEEDED…MOST OF THESE GUYS DON’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING BUT SATISFYING THEIR URGES; AND THEN THEY WONDER WHY THEY GET SO MUCH SHADE WHEN THEY TALK TO THE GURLS BUT I DIGRESS YOU SEEM TO HAVE A GENUINE CONCERN, SO THIS DIATRIBE IS NOT ABOUT YOU, BUT BOTTOMLINE: IT IS NOT IN A MAN’S SELF-INTEREST TO HELP TRANSEXUALS BECOME MAINSTREAM…

IF TRANSEXUALS EVER BECAME MAINSTREAM, WHOA…MOST OF THESE DUDES WOULD BE RIGHT BACK TO SQUARE ONE…AS THEY WOULD BE JUDGED ON THEIR LOOKS AND HAVE TO WINE & DINE THESE GURLS LIKE GG’S, NOT TO MENTION, THE COMPETITION THEY WOULD HAVE FROM OTHER STRAIGHT GUYS, LOL…



I agree with yo totally about the position of the gay white male and the benefits that come with that position, but all of those benefits didnt come just from that group fighting for themselves. It was a fight in general and they were scene as recognized.

I DISAGREE TOTALLY…

AND THAT’S ENTIRELY UNTRUE…

TOO HIS CREDIT, THE GAY WHITE MALE HAS LED THE FIGHT IN THE GAY RIGHTS MOVEMENT SINCE IT’S INCEPTION IN THE 60’S, PIGGYBACKING THE BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS AND WOMEN’S LIBERATION MOVEMENTS, AND HE IS NOW ENJOYING SOME OF THE FRUITS OF HIS LABOR; THOUGH STILL VERY LIMITED…HE HAS SUCCESSFULLY DROPPED A LOT OF THE “STEREOTYPICAL” IMAGES FROM HIS MESSAGE AND HAS MADE HIS IMAGE SYNONYMOUS WITH BEING WELL-DRESSED, CLASSY, AND CULTURED…

I’M NOT BEGRUDGING THE GAY WHITE MALE AT ALL; I’M JUST URGING TRANSEXUALS TO REALIZE THAT ANY BENEFITS THAT THEY RECEIVE ARE GONNA BE FROM THEIR OWN WORK…



What I cant understand is, if the GLBT community is so big, how come that group didnt represent at the polls for the past election?

…BUT THEY DID REPRESENT…

THEY DID WHAT EVERY MINORITY GROUP DOES WHEN THEY ACHIEVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SUCCESS…

THEY FORGET WHERE THEY COME FROM AND INCREASINGLY VOTE REPUBLICAN.

GAYS, BLACKS, HISPANICS, ETC…ALL VOTED IN HIGHER RAW NUMBERS AND PERCENTAGES FOR REPUBLICANS THIS YEAR…
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[Lobo]

The majority of t-girls (generally speaking) are free spirits. That said, they don't want jack shit to do with a real relationship, until they get the chop of course. Then things change once they see they can't make money of their cock anymore.

[ONEWORLD]

OK?

[sextime]

The Kinda Girl You Bring Home to Mom... :oops: :oops:

[LBCDO]

ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT THE GURLS IN PAGEANTS, BALLS, AND IN PORN WOULD BE TOO SHY TO WITHSTAND THE SCRUTINY AND MEDIA COVERAGE OF GETTING MARRIED?…
No, not what Im saying at all. You may very well have a point with that.



IT SEEMS LIKE YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND THE PSYCHOLOGY OF THE TRANSEXUAL… THESE GURLS, BY NATURE, CRAVE ATTENTION AND THRIVE IN THE SPOTLIGHT…
Ok, here we go with another "You dont understand the psychology of the transexual". Ive had my experiences, say in TS social circles, etc. By no means am I harvard certified, but I think I know a little. but. Not all of "THESE GURLS" crave attention. Maybe you mean stroll girls, the girls at the pageants, etc., but I know tons of girls who arent attention whores, live they're life, and call it a day.



I ALSO KNOW THESE GURLS…

BUT THESE ARE NOT THE GURLS THAT I’M REFERRING TOO…

I’M SPEAKING OF GURLS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE PUBLIC EYE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE…

YOU DON’T THINK A GURL THAT GRABS CHINGY’S DICK ON CAMERA ISN’T READY FOR PRIMETIME, LOL…VANITY, FOR EXAMPLE, ALREADY HAS A FOLLOWING AND A CERTAIN NAME RECOGNITION; SHE’S PASSABLE & ATTRACTIVE…SHE AND GURLS OF HER ILK COULD EASILY CHANGE OR ATLEAST SWAY OPINION IN THE GAY MARRIAGE ISSUE…

SIMPLY PUT, ATTACHING THE RIGHT FACE AND BACKSTORY TO AN ISSUE CAN INCREASE YOUR CHANCES OF SOFTENING THE OPPOSITIONS STANCE AND CHANGING OPINIONS…A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THIS IS ELIZABETH GLASER OR MAGIC JOHNSON WITH HIV/ AIDS…THERE IMAGES DID A LOT TO CHANGE PEOPLES PERCEPTIONS OF AIDS IN THE 80’S AND 90’S…


So you want a face like Vanity to be attatched to things like legalizing gay marriage? You actually think that in the world of politics, a crotch grabbing porn actress is an idea candidate for politicians to looks at when they prepare their rebuttals? Nothing wrong with being in porn, hey nothing wrong with grabbing crotches, but if my limited knowledge history has taught me anything, porn and politics dont really go well togethor.

My father isnt really with the "gay thing". But he had NO problem whatsoever when it was explained to him about the extremely low divorce/nonexistance and infidelity rates in gay marriages. You mention Magic Johnson and Elizabeth Glaser, but please tell me how many XXXRated porn stars or Escorts you have mentioned? People wouldnt even be able to get past that background before they can even get to the issue. Hell, lets get Suge Knight to march on congress about drugs in the street!

See, my idea of people that you would want to have on the news would be people that are quietly living their lives. When they showed coverage of gay couples getting married it was mostly your average looking couple granted, but I agree, you can have nice people without resorting to people in the adult industry. I know BEAUTIFUL girls who do not escort, do not do cam shows, dont do anything but work office 9-5s, are hairdressers, work in fashioin stores, everything. You see, im thinking about an entirely different sector of the tranny community to represent. Sorry if Im on an adult orientated board and am thinking "outside the box"


YOU SEEM TO GIVE THE GURLS TOO LITTLE CREDIT AND THE FELLAS WAAAAYYY TO MUCH…

SURE THERE IS A LOT THAT WE CAN DO, BUT THE QUESTION IS WHAT WILL WE DO?…


I dont think your talking to enough girls, even those that escort. Do you know how many politicians, actors, sports players, musicians, wealthy millionaires are straight up tranny chasers? The same NFL players that get out of these highprofile court cases cant do a damn thing? have no appeal? Have no pull? You have people in government on tape smoking crack with prostitutes, but they cant do anything? You have men who will give a TS girl a car for staying with them a week but you think that nobody none of these men will write a letter to a politician? Yea, guys too much credit. Especially the "straight" men, seeing that nobody can be like "Hey, but I think gay people should be able to do whatever the hell they want. Who are they hurting?" because its one thing for something to come from the crowd that is being affected [acting defensively], another for someone fom the outside to step up.


IF TRANSEXUALS EVER BECAME MAINSTREAM, WHOA…MOST OF THESE DUDES WOULD BE RIGHT BACK TO SQUARE ONE…AS THEY WOULD BE JUDGED ON THEIR LOOKS AND HAVE TO WINE & DINE THESE GURLS LIKE GG’S, NOT TO MENTION, THE COMPETITION THEY WOULD HAVE FROM OTHER STRAIGHT GUYS, LOL…
LOL, true, very true. But I dont imagine many girls complaining about that situation.




…HE HAS SUCCESSFULLY DROPPED A LOT OF THE “STEREOTYPICAL” IMAGES FROM HIS MESSAGE AND HAS MADE HIS IMAGE SYNONYMOUS WITH BEING WELL-DRESSED, CLASSY, AND CULTURED…
You know what, I can completely agree with you on that. When have you ever seen the gay male portrayed in a positive light other than the image you see on Queer Eye for the Straight Guy? Well dressed, financially secure? Always. Look at the Real World. Always slim and London-model looking, even if they arent white, still that cookie cutter image of what a gay male should stereotypically should be. Nothing wrong with looking positive at all, but I see your point.

[ONEWORLD]

Ok, here we go with another "You dont understand the psychology of the transexual". Ive had my experiences, say in TS social circles, etc. By no means am I harvard certified, but I think I know a little. but. Not all of "THESE GURLS" crave attention. Maybe you mean stroll girls, the girls at the pageants, etc., but I know tons of girls who arent attention whores, live they're life, and call it a day.

I SAID “IT SEEMS”…

I SAY THIS BECAUSE YOU ONLY MENTION A SMALL GROUP THAT WANT TO REMAIN ON THE HUSH, AND YOU DIDN’T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE VAST MAJORITY WHO LOVE THE ATTENTION…

LET’S BE REAL…THESE GURLS SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THEIR LOOKS, OK?…THEY ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BASK IN THE SPOTLIGHT AND THE ATTENTION THAT THEY FEEL THEY DESERVED…

EVEN THE GURLS LIVING AS WOMEN WANT & CRAVE ATTENTION; EVEN IF IT’S JUST THE GUY PROCESSING PHOTOS AT THE LOCAL PHARMACY OR THE USHER AT THE MOVIE THEATRE…

YOU SEE, THE PASSABLE GURLS ARE FIGHTING THE CONSTANT BATTLE BETWEEN “FITTING IN” AND “BEING WORSHIPPED”. THEY WANT TO BE NOTICED FOR BEING ABLE TO NOT BE NOTICED, LOL…THEY WANT TO SCREAM TO GUYS “HEY, I’M UNCLOCKABLE” WHEN THAT ACTION WOULD CLOCK THEM…SO EVEN THESE GURLS THRIVE ON THAT 2ND LOOK OR BEING WHISTLED AT, EVEN MORE THAN GG’S…

AND YOU KNOW HOW WITH DATING A GG, THAT AFTER COURTING FOR A WHILE, YOU CAN EASE BACK ON THE ATTENTION BECAUSE YOU HAVE HER NOW…NOT WITH A TRANSEXUAL, LOL…SHE NEEDS CONSTANT ADORATION…

THAT’S WHY I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH MY GURL ATTENDING CLUBS WITH HER FRIENDS; SHE CAN GO AND RECEIVE THE “WORSHIP” SHE NEEDS AND THEN CAN COME HOME TO BE A REGULAR PERSON.



So you want a face like Vanity to be attatched to things like legalizing gay marriage? You actually think that in the world of politics, a crotch grabbing porn actress is an idea candidate for politicians to looks at when they prepare their rebuttals? Nothing wrong with being in porn, hey nothing wrong with grabbing crotches, but if my limited knowledge history has taught me anything, porn and politics dont really go well togethor.

LISTEN, INFLUENCING POLICY OR POLITICS DIRECTLY IS A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY, LOL…THE ONLY MINDS THAT YOU NEED TO INFLUENCE ARE IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION…UNFORTUNATELY, WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY WHERE IMAGE IS EVERYTHING…PUTTING THE PORN THING ASIDE, THE IMAGE OF A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN CAN SELL ANYTHING IN OUR COUNTRY…FURTHERMORE, I’M NOT SAYING A VANITY IS THE FINAL STEP, BUT IT’S A HELLUVA START…MUCH BETTER THAN THE IMAGE OF TWO SUN-STARVED LESBIANS WITH MULLETS KISSING AT THE ALTAR…

PLEASE DON’T FORGET THAT LOCAL POLITICIANS (MAYORS), ARE THE ONES THAT ALLOWED THESE MARRIAGES TO TAKE PLACE IN THE FIRST PLACE…THEY ARE CLOSEST TO THE PEOPLE AND THEY KNOW THE PULSE OF THEIR CITIES…SO THE SUPPORT IS THERE…BUT ON A NATIONAL SCALE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A UNIFYING IMAGE & MESSAGE…

HAVING A BEAUTIFUL TRANSEXUAL WOMAN CRYING HER EYES OUT ON LARRY KING OR OPRAH IS THE WAY TO APPEAL TO YOUR AVERAGE VOTER, NOT PICKET SIGNS AND PROTESTS…



You mention Magic Johnson and Elizabeth Glaser, but please tell me how many XXXRated porn stars or Escorts you have mentioned? People wouldnt even be able to get past that background before they can even get to the issue. Hell, lets get Suge Knight to march on congress about drugs in the street!

YOU SEEM TO BE STUCK IN THE PORN THING…VANITY IS ONLY AN EXAMPLE…I ALSO MENTIONED PAGEANT GURLS WHO ARE REQUIRED TO BE SPOKESMODELS ANYWAY…

BUT HERE’S A BETTER EXAMPLE…ROSA PARKS.

MS PARKS WAS JUST A TIRED WOMAN WHO WANTED TO SIT DOWN ON A BUS…WHEN SHE WAS DENIED THAT SIMPLE RIGHT, DID SHE GET ON THE PHONES AND GATHER THE TROOPS?…NO., DID SHE CALL HER LOCAL POLITICIANS?…NO. DID SHE CALL THE MEDIA? NO AGAIN. THEY ALL CAME TO HER, WANTING TO KNOW HER STORY AND HOW THEY COULD HELP…THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT WAS IN IT’S INFANCY, AND NEEDED A “UNIFYING FIGURE” AN IMAGE FOR THE PUBLIC…THEY COULDN’T HAVE USED AN ANGRY BLACK MAN WITH A BERET AND A BLACK GLOVE…THEY USED AN OLD LADY? WHY?…

BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT PEOPLE THAT DIDN’T EVEN LIKE BLACKS WOULD SIT IN THEIR LIVING ROOMS AND SAY “YOU MEAN THEY WOULDN’T LET THAT POOR WOMAN SIT DOWN ON THE BUS”. JUST LIKE TODAY THEY WOULD SAY “THEY’RE NOT GONNA LET THAT POOR WOMAN GET MARRIED”, LOL.


BTW. I LIKE THIS PIC…

http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/miriam_1_129.jpg

NATURAL...

[Hugh Jarrod]

I like that pic too.

[Kabuki]

I'm bring this thread back to life, and I hope more photos will be posted :wink:

[ptyseminole]

Bianca qualifies for this thread...

[Kabuki]

Bianca qualifies for this thread...

I can agree with that :wink:

[bigpapa03]

i would so take her home to meet the entire family

[Kabuki]

I would love to wake up next to her. I wish I knew her name though. I think she would turn heads at the family cookouts :wink:

[peggygee]

As a middle aged post op transwoman, who doesn't escort or work in the adult entertainment industry, I realize I may be somewhat of an enigma on this board.

I will say that when I was pre op, that I met with the families and friends of the vast majority of my significant others (SO). This was due to a combination of reasons:

1. The type of men that I allow in my life tend to be very secure in who they are. I do not allow shallow, vapid, emotionally insecure or emotionally un-availible men into my world. I am an Alpha female, thus I would only allow Alpha males as SOs.

2. Further, then as now, I have never allowed myself to be anyone's dirty little secret. If, I am good enough to 'fuck', then I am good enough to be seen in public with you, and to be known by those that are important to you. If a man was not comfortable with that, then he wasn't worthy of me. :smh


3. Perhaps that I pass fairly well, made it easier for most of the men that I have been in LTRs, to bring me home to Mother. I tend to think that it is how I carry myself. I am a classy, sosphisticated broad :roll: , and Mothers tend to love me. I am very outgoing, intelligent, funny, hell what's not to like :shrug


By no means, am I the only woman that is worthy of being brought home to Mom. There are many charming, beautiful women, on this board and elsewhere. Some will be in the sex trade (one of the hardest jobs on the planet, hats off to you ladies), others can be found in virtually every profession and occupation under the Sun.


To sum it up, in my opinion I tend to believe that it isn't a shortage of suitable women to bring home to meet the family, but rather that many men lack the testicular and or intestinal fortitude to do so.

:2cent

[BeardedOne]

The type of men that I allow in my life tend to be very secure in who they are. I do not allow shallow, vapid, emotionally insecure or emotionally un-availible men into my world.

Yet she still talks to me. :shrug

I guess there really is an exception to every rule. :wink:

[peggygee]

The type of men that I allow in my life tend to be very secure in who they are. I do not allow shallow, vapid, emotionally insecure or emotionally un-availible men into my world.

Yet she still talks to me. :shrug

I guess there really is an exception to every rule. :wink:

Ah, General, I must admit I am a sucker for an
intelligent man with a good sense of humor :wink:

But that alone, doesn't quite get a man to first base,
indeed that may get him a 'walk'.

For a man to get to second or third third base,
he needs to be intelligent, funny, secure, sincere,
and then his odds of 'scoring' may still be very low.
Indeed he may end up merely 'the bat boy', or
oftentimes I may call in a 'relief pitcher'. :peanutbutter

But for a man to 'hit a home run', and to make it
to 'the nappy dugout', well it would be easier for
a camel to get through the eye of a needle,
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/camelneedletwerk.jpg

than a man devoid of all the qualities listed,
to get between my legs . :stop
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/windsweptmirrorreverse.jpg


Explanations of terms:

In the baseball metaphor, the intimate encounter
or relationship itself is compared to the act of running
the bases, where each progressive base indicates a
more intimate level of contact, although the definition
of what each base represents varies slightly.

•First base is "French" kissing.

•Second base is Fondling or groping, especially
of the breasts (some variations include stimulation
of the genitals).

•Third base stimulation of one person's genitals
(manually or orally, depending on variation) by
his or her partner

•Home run (or "Hitting it out of the park", etc.)
is sexual intercourse.

A Walk is a goodnight kiss, celebratory kiss, or any
other kind of non-romantic kiss.

•A Relief Pitcher is using a sex toy to finish when you
obviously can't make the play.

•A Batboy is one who has never reached first base.
(see American Pie)

•Scoring is sexual intercourse.

Nappy dugout, 'you need to ask'? :roll:

But, all jokes aside, you are a very 'kewl dude', and
an Officer and a Gentleman in my book 8)

Care for a battlefield promotion?

[ARMANIXXX]

^

If you ever make it to Cali
peggygee, I'll do my damneddest to hit for the cycle.

[PumpDaddy]

As a middle aged post op transwoman, who doesn't escort or work in the adult entertainment industry...

SMART!! :claps

[peggygee]

^

If you ever make it to Cali
peggygee, I'll do my damneddest to hit for the cycle.

I must admit I was faking the baseball terms somewhat, but whenever I see a new word or term I look it up.

Definitions of Hit for the cycle on the Web:

In baseball, a player hits for the cycle when he or she hits a single, a double, a triple and a home run in the same game, though not necessarily in that order. Collecting the hits in that order is known as a "natural cycle".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hit_for_the_cycle

Baseball is taking on a whole new meaning for me.

Might have to check out those guys with the tight pants, and the scratching and spitting a little more closer :twisted:

[peggygee]

As a middle aged post op transwoman, who doesn't escort or work in the adult entertainment industry...

SMART!! :claps

By no means am I implying that I haven't done my share of dirt, in fact I have done more than my fair share :evil:

Nor do I see anything ethically or morally wrong with women working in the sex trade. It is their body and their choice.

Having said that, I will go on record that neither are all transwomen in the sex trade, nor should they be. We are not a uni-dimensional group but rather multi-faceted, with many diverse skills and talents.

I applaud my Sisters and encourage and support them in all their endeavours.

Though whatever choices they make I trust that they will keep an eye towards the future and make good decisions.

[El Nino]

Bump

[lust4ts]

One who doesn't put her elbows on the table at dinner time :)

[redtiger]

I see Kyla is listed on Eros.com. By any chance do you know if she still is, and if so which city she is listed in?

[TrueBeauty TS]

I see Kyla is listed on Eros.com. By any chance do you know if she still is, and if so which city she is listed in?

Why? You going to pay her to take her home to your mom? lol

:wink:


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[redtiger]

No, but I gotta vacation coming up soon! I wouldn't mind visiting her if I knew what city she was in.

[2754tim]

If My Mom Was Still Alive I'd Bring Vicki To See Her,A Lot Of The Same
Personality;Highly Opinionated,Outspoken. She'd Love Her. My Mother Would
Be Telling Me To Shut The Fuck Up And Give Her Some Money So Her And
Vicki Could Go Gamble In Foxwoods For The Weekend.

[SexyMagdi]

Well Id love to bring a smart and gentle girl who loves me for me and supports me all the way with everything. Even my gender changing. Also shes a freak in bed and no shy to trying something new. She caring and happy and loves people but me the most. hehehe. I dont care if shes a GG or TS.

[BXCanada]

my mom has spoken with my sweety on the phone a couple of times and the rest of my family has seen her on my webcam and she has seen them.

only my mom, one of my aunts and her gf, my brother and his wife know she is a TG though. and they will all get to meet her in June provideing immigration aren't a bunch of dicks.

my mom and my aunt rent out the upper half of the house and i have the lower half. so haveing them all meet her is a given since we are in such close quarters. most of my family doesn't live in the same town though but they all want to meet her so we are planning a big family BBQ for when she gets here.

[TrueBeauty TS]

my mom has spoken with my sweety on the phone a couple of times and the rest of my family has seen her on my webcam and she has seen them.

only my mom, one of my aunts and her gf, my brother and his wife know she is a TG though. and they will all get to meet her in June provideing immigration aren't a bunch of dicks.

my mom and my aunt rent out the upper half of the house and i have the lower half. so haveing them all meet her is a given since we are in such close quarters. most of my family doesn't live in the same town though but they all want to meet her so we are planning a big family BBQ for when she gets here.


I think that's great that you are so comfortable with your family knowing, and your family being cool with it.

How long have you been together with this girl and where is she coming from?



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[hotboy68]

I would bring this one home!

[El Nino]

Wow, old thread :)

[kilgorerobert81]

I think you all are mesmerizingly beautiful and I'd be honored to be by any of you girls sides holding your hand. I would not have a problem at all taking any of you home to meet the folks. I would not be embarrassed at all

[kilgorerobert81]

Dude that girl isn't goin to be top less when she meets your family she will be her just a beautiful woman who has given you the honor of being part of her life

[voldemort2]

I like the idea of bringing a passable t-girl home and nobody having a clue what’s in her pants until it’s revealed. She should be quite girly and feminine, like:

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[THEbottom]

The kind of girl I'd bring home to Mom----1149767