And the results are in...The 2007 AVN Award winners are....

[NYCe]

Best Transsexual Release – Rogue Adventures 27 (Joey Silvera/Evil Angel)

Best Transsexual Series – Transsexual Prostitutes (Devil’s Film)

Transsexual Performer of the Year – Buck Angel



:shock:

[GroobySteven]

Best Transsexual Release – Rogue Adventures 27 (Joey Silvera/Evil Angel)

Best Transsexual Series – Transsexual Prostitutes (Devil’s Film)

Transsexual Performer of the Year – Buck Angel



:shock:

Haha - serious or are you fucking!

I love it!!!!

[stillies77]

Buck won?




:roll:

[NYCe]

Lol, I'm very serious. Here's the whole list:

2007 AVN AWard - winners

Best Actor – Film - Randy Spears, Manhunters, (Wicked Pictures).

Best Actor – Video – Evan Stone, Sex Pix (Red Light District)

Best Actress – Film – Jessica Drake, Manhunters (Wicked Pictures)

Best Actress – Video – Hillary Scott, Corruption (Sex-Z Pictures)

Best All-Girl Release – Belladonna: No Warning (Belladonna/Evil Angel)

Best All-Girl Series – Erocktavision (Dana Dane Productions / Pulse)

Best All-Girl Sex Scene – Film - FUCK (Wicked Pictures), Jessica Drake, Katsumi, Felecia, Clara G.

Best All-Girl Sex Scene – Video - Island Fever 4 (Digital Playgound), Teagan Presley, Jesse Jane, Jana Cova and Sophia Santi

Best All-Sex Release – TIE: Blacklight Beauties (Pulse Pictures) and Neu Wave Hookers (VCA Pictures)

Best Alternative Release- Real Adventures 84 (DreamGirls)

Best Amateur Release- Bang Bus 9 (Bang Productions)

Best Amateur Series- Homegrown Video (Xplor Media)

Best Anal Sex Scene – Film – Manhunters, (Wicked Pictures), Jada Fire, Sandra Romain and Brian Surewood.

Best Anal Sex Scene – Video – Breakin’ ‘Em In 9 (Vouyer Media), Amy Ried and Vince Vouyer.

Best Anal-Themed Release- Weapons of Ass Destruction 4 (Jules Jordan Video)

Best Anal-Themed Series- Big Wet Asses (Elegant Angel Productions)

Best Animated Release- Pornomation 2 (Cherry Boxxx Pictures)

Best Art Direction – Film - FUCK (Wicked Pictures), Rod Hopkins

Best Art Direction - Video- Sacred Sin (Ninn Worx), John Sykes

Best Cinematography- FUCK (Wicked Pictures), Francois Clousot

Best Classic DVD – Neon Nights (Command Video/VCX)

Best Continuing Video Series - Dementia (Sin City)

Best Director – Film- Brad Armstrong, Manhunters (Wicked Pictures)

Best Director – Foreign Release- Pierre Woodman, Sex City (Private U.S.A. Pure Play Media)

Best Director – Non-Feature- JacktheZipper, Blacklight Beauty (Pulse Pictures)

Best Director – Video – Eli Cross, Corruption, (Sex Z Pictures)

Best DVD Extras - The Visitors (Wicked Pictures)

Best DVD Menus - The Visitors (Wicked Pictures)

Best Editing – Film - Jenna’s Provocateur (ClubJenna/Vivid Entertainment Group), Justin Sterling and Johnny 5

Best Editing – Video – Corruption (Sex Z Pictures), Robin Dyer and Mark Logan

Best Ethnic-Themed Release – Asian- Asia Noir 5: A Lust Supreme (Ethnicity/Metro)

Best Ethnic-Themed Release – Black- Tales from the Darkside (Darkside Entertainment)

Best Ethnic-Themed Release – Latin- Brazilian Island 2 (Nectar Entertainment)

Best Ethnic-Themed Series – Asian- Sakura Tales (DVSX)

Best Ethnic-Themed Series – Black- Phatty Girls (Justin Slayer/Evil Angel)

Best Ethnic-Themed Series – Latin – Mami Culo Grande (Justin Slayer/Evil Angel)

Best Film – Manhunters (Wicked Pictures)

Best Foreign All-Sex Release – Euro Domination (Clark Euro / Evil Angel)

Best Foreign All-Sex Series – Obsession (Clark Euro Angel / Evil Angel)

Best Foreign Feature – Porn Wars: Episode 1 (Private U.S.A. / Pure Play Media)

Best Gonzo Release – Chemistry, Vivid Entertainment Group

Best Gonzo Series – College Invasion (Shane’s World Studios)

Best Group Sex Scene – Film – FUCK (Wicked Pictures), Carmen Hart, Katsumi, Kirsten Price, Mia Smiles, Eric Masterson, Chris Cannon, Tommy Gunn, Randy Spears

Best Group Sex Scene – Video – Fashionistas Safado: The Challenge (Evil Angel Productions), Belladonna, Melissa Lauren, Jenna Haze, Gianna, Sandra Romain, Adrianna Nicole, Flower Tucci, Sasha Grey, Nicole Sheridan, Marie Luv, Caroline Pierce, Lea Baren, Jewell Marceau, Jean Val Jean, Christian XXX, Voodoo, Chris Charming, Erik Everhard, Mr. Pete, Rocco Siffredi

Best Hard-Edged All-Sex Release – Slave Dolls 2 (Elegant Angel)

Best High-Definition Production – Fashionistas: Safado (Evil Angel)

Best Interactive DVD – Virtual Vivid Girl Sunny Leone (Vivid Entertainment Group)

Best Interracial Release – Racial Tension (Mike John/Jules Jordan Video)

Best Interracial Series – My Hot Wife Is Fucking Blackzilla (Hush Hush Entertainment/Digital Sin)

Best Mainstream Adult Release – Pornography: The Secret History of Civilization (KOCH Releasing)

Best Male Newcomer – Tommy Pistol

Best Music –Sacred Sin (Ninn Worx), Eddie Van Halen and Loren Alexander

Best New Starlet - Naomi

Best New Video Production Company – Jules Jordan Video

Best Non-Sex Performance – Bryn Pryor, Corruption, (Sex Z Pictures)

Best Online Marketing Campaign – Company – Digital Playground, DigitalPlayground.com

Best Online Marketing Campaign – Individual Project – Sacred Sin (Ninn Worx)

Best Oral Sex Scene – Film – FUCK (Wicked Pictures), Ice LaFox, Eric Masterson, Tommu Gunn, Marcos London and Mario Rossi.

Best Oral Sex Scene – Video – Jenna Haze, Jenna Haze Dark Side (Jules Jordan Video), Jenna Haze, Scott Lyons, Arnold Schwartzenpecker, Johnny Fender, Trent Sulari and Donny Schlong

Best Oral-Themed Release – Feeding Frenzy 8 (Jules Jordan Video)

Best Oral-Themed Series – Hand To Mouth (Third Degree Films)

Best Overall Marketing Campaign – Company Image - ClubJenna

Best Overall Marketing Campaign – Individual Project – Sacred Sin (NinnWorx)

Best Packaging – Tailgunners, (Adam & Eve)

Best POV Release – Pole Position: Lex POV 5 (Mercernary Pictures)

Best POV Series – Jack’s POV (Digital Playground)

Best POV Sex Scene – Jack’s POV 2 (Digital Playground), Naomi, Tommy Gunn

Best Pro-Am Release – Breakin’ ‘Em In 9 (Vouyer Media)

Best Pro-Am Series – Beaver Hunt (Hustler Video)

Best Renting Title of the Year - Pirates (Digital Playground)

Best Retail Website – Rentals - WantedList.com

Best Retail Website – Sales – AdultDVDEmpire.com

Best Screenplay – Film – Manhunters (Wicked Pictures), Brad Armstrong

Best Screenplay – Video - Corruption (Sex Z Pictures), Alvin Edwards & Eli Cross

Best Selling Title of the Year - Pirates (Digital Playground/Adam & Eve)

Best Sex Comedy – Joanna’s Angels 2: Alt Throttle (Burning Angel Entertainment/VCA Pictures)

Best Sex Scene Coupling – Film – Emperor, (Vivid Entertainment Group), Janine and Manuel Ferrara

Best Sex Scene Coupling – Video – Slave Dolls (Elegant Angel), Tiffany Mynx and Manual Ferrara

Best Sex Scene in a Foreign-Shot Production – Outnumbered 4 (Erik Everhard/Evil Angel), Isabel Ice, Sandra Romain, Dora Venter, Cathy, Karina, Nicol, Puma Black, Erik Everhard, Steve Holmes, Robert Rosenberg

Best Solo Release – I Love Big Toys 2 (Digital Sin)

Best Solo Sex Scene – Alana Evans, Corruption (Sex Z Pictures)

Best Special Effects – Porn Wars (Private U.S.A./Pure Play Media), Kovi

Best Specialty Release – BDSM – My New Girlfriend (PRV Productions/Bon Vue)

Best Specialty Release – Big Bust – Breast Worship (Jules Jordan Video)

Best Specialty Release – Fem-Dom Strap-On – Strap Attack 4 (Joey Silvera/Evil Angel)

Best Specialty Release – Foot Fetish – Barefoot Confidential 40 (Kick Ass Pictures)

Best Specialty Release – MILF – Cheating Housewives 3 (Smash Pictures)

Best Specialty Release – Other Genre – Horny Hairy Girls 22 (Rodnievision/Exquisite Multimedia)

Best Specialty Release – Spanking – Baltimore Brat (Kelly Payne Productions)

Best Specialty Release – Squirting – Flower’s Squirt Shower 3 (Elegant Angel Productions)

Best Specialty Series – Big Bust – Boob Bangers (Darkko Productions/Evil Angel)

Best Specialty Series – MILF – MILF Seeker (Pink Visual Productions)

Best Specialty Series – Other Genre – Adorable Girls (Swank Digital/Pure Play Video)

Best Specialty Series – Squirting – Flower’s Squirt Shower (Elegant Angel Productions)

Best Supporting Actor – Film – Kurt Lockwood, To Die For, Vivid Entertainment Group

Best Supporting Actor – Video – Manuel Ferrara, She Bangs (Red Light District)

Best Supporting Actress – Film – Kirsten Price, Manhunters (Wicked Pictures)

Best Supporting Actress – Video – Katsumi, Fashionistas Safado: The Challenge (Evil Angel Productions)

Best Tease Performance – Amy Ried, My Plaything: Amy Ried, (Digital Sin)

Best Three-Way Sex Scene – Fuck Slaves (Jake Malone/Evil Angel), Sandra Romain, Sasha Grey, Manuel Ferrara

Best Transsexual Release – Rogue Adventures 27 (Joey Silvera/Evil Angel)

Best Transsexual Series – Transsexual Prostitutes (Devil’s Film)

Best Video Feature – Corruption (Sex Z Pictures)

Best Videography – Sacred Sin (Ninn Worx), Barry Wood

Best Vignette Release – Jenna Haze Dark Side (Jules Jordan Video)

Best Vignette Series – Jack’s Playground (Digital Playground)

Contract Star of the Year – Stormy Daniels (Wicked Pictures)

Crossover Star of the Year – Jenna Jameson

Director of the Year (Body of Work) – Jim Powers

Female Foreign Performer of the Year - Katsumi

Female Performer of the Year – Hillary Scott

Hall of Fame – Founder’s Branch – Charlie Brickman, Cinderella Distribution; Phil Harvey, Adam & Eve; Arthur Morowitz & Howard Farber (Video-X-Pix), Sidney Niekirk, Cal Vista

Hall of Fame – Rebecca Bardoux, Dave Cummings, Taylor Hayes, Rick Masters, John Seeman, Domonique Simone, Selena Steele, Sydnee Steele, Nici Sterling, Tabitha Stevens, Kyle Stone, Vince Vouyer

Male Foreign Performer of the Year – Jean Val Jean

Male Performer of the Year – Tommy Gunn

Most Outrageous Sex Scene – Girlvert 11 (JM Productions), Ashley Blue, Amber Wild & Steve French in “Meat Is Murder”

Transsexual Performer of the Year – Buck Angel

Underrated Starlet of the Year (Unrecognized Excellence) – Mika Tan



I think the only award I agree with is the Mika Tan award.
This list is just.....I don't know.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Sorry, I'm not at all impressed with the selection for Transsexual Performer of the Year. Not at all !!!!!! :thumbsdown

[stillies77]

boooooooooooooooooo

[GroobySteven]

I think it's a great and brave choice.

The award is "Transsexual Performer" not "Transsexual MtF Perfomer". Buck has appeared in many films with some of our favourite TS stars - and I'm sure those models think Buck is deserving of the award.

I'll give myself an ice-cream for promoting Buck in 2003 and being the first mainstream TS site to feature him and his website.

Congratulations Buck - I hope your getting a big kick out of this - it's brought a smile to my Sunday.
seanchai

[tsluva]

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http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=281743


apparently it's no joke ( as far as the facts)

i'm still in shock !
With all due respect to da Buck, i have to
disagree with TS Performer award and consider this a
total publicity joke by AVN.

C'mon .. what about the fan-favorite candidates
who pour their hearts out making SEVERAL quality
films throughout the year as compare to one notable, lone
high profile film.
Makes me wonder if they truly give a damn about TS award
or take it seriously.
Now i know " ANYONE' from anywhere and any condition can
win the award, no matter how many other long awaited candidates
deserve it more.

the AVN awards just continue to be so confusing and fucked up.
Do you think some on the inside took a peek at HA forum
naysayers and said " we'll fix their asses " ?

This sucks ass, after this joke of a stunt, i'll never get hyped up over
the AVN awards again.

[rvince]

Congrats Buck!

I find it a bit unfair to have only 3 TS awards of of 10 pages of mainstream awards but...

[BeardedOne]

Congrats Buck!

I find it a bit unfair to have only 3 TS awards of of 10 pages of mainstream awards but...

Was very happy to see that Buck won (Though I agree that the short list of awards can skew the results). As with any award presentation, the AVNs will grow and evolve over time. Remember, wasn't all that long ago that there were =NO= T categories.

[tsluva]

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Best All-Girl Series – Erocktavision (Dana Dane Productions / Pulse)


Best Ethnic-Themed Release – Black- Tales from the Darkside (Darkside Entertainment)

Best Interracial Series – My Hot Wife Is Fucking Blackzilla (Hush Hush Entertainment/Digital Sin)

Best Retail Website – Rentals - WantedList.com


Best Specialty Release – Other Genre – Horny Hairy Girls 22 (Rodnievision/Exquisite Multimedia)


* overlooked is the best all-girl series today, IMO is easily
Viv Thomas' LEZLOVE VIDEO series:
( see Office Girls, Butterfly, Teenage Seduction, Pink Velvet,
Confessions of a Makeup Artist, Searching for Silvera, etc.)

* Tailz from the Darkside was a very fun one and one of my
favorites this past year.

* Glad to see Rodney Moore win one at last after countless
nasty-good video releases, his Hairy Girls series is one
of my favorites , ..now i wanna see my boy
Robert Hill start getting some recognition after so many
good shemales films

* I luuuvv the Blackzilla series !

* just started to rent online myself and interesting to
find my favorite WantedList.com the big winner ,
hell i didn't know online renting could be considered
AVN award winning material.


.

[GroobySteven]

I wrote a blog article on the AVN winner at http://www.grooby.com if anyone is interested.
seanchai

[CORVETTEDUDE]

I think it's a great and brave choice.

The award is "Transsexual Performer" not "Transsexual MtF Perfomer". Buck has appeared in many films with some of our favourite TS stars - and I'm sure those models think Buck is deserving of the award.

I'll give myself an ice-cream for promoting Buck in 2003 and being the first mainstream TS site to feature him and his website.

Congratulations Buck - I hope your getting a big kick out of this - it's brought a smile to my Sunday.
seanchai

Sorry...seanchai!!!!! I could give a shit less, what Buck has or has not been in. I still say the selection was a bad one. You don't have to agree, that doesn't matter, either! :crap :thumbsdown :violin

[Realgirls4me]

What Bearded-1 observes is so true. I mean, today in most bookstores there are actually more than the two or three tattered copies of TS videos of only a few years ago. Progress has been definitely made in the TS category! Hoorah!



:)

[AllanahStarrNYC]

Congrats to my buddy Buck :)

[GroobySteven]

I think it's a great and brave choice.

The award is "Transsexual Performer" not "Transsexual MtF Perfomer". Buck has appeared in many films with some of our favourite TS stars - and I'm sure those models think Buck is deserving of the award.

I'll give myself an ice-cream for promoting Buck in 2003 and being the first mainstream TS site to feature him and his website.

Congratulations Buck - I hope your getting a big kick out of this - it's brought a smile to my Sunday.
seanchai

Sorry...seanchai!!!!! I could give a shit less, what Buck has or has not been in. I still say the selection was a bad one. You don't have to agree, that doesn't matter, either! :crap :thumbsdown :violin

No need to cry about it - I didn't see your name on the nominations?

seanchai

[tsluva]

What Bearded-1 observes is so true. I mean, today in most bookstores there are actually more than the two or three tattered copies of TS videos of only a few years ago. Progress has been definitely made in the TS category! Hoorah!



:)

OK fine. we'll see how many tranny websites fold
and go under when they completely convert
to man-pie features.
then we'll compare the " progress " of it all.
Yeeepeee!

[Vicki Richter]

My take on it is this... This is no different than lumping male and female performers together into one Performer of the Year award. Furthermore, it opens up more ridiculous possibilities. Just because the award didn't say "M2F Transsexual Performer of the Year" doesn't mean that wasn't implied. Just like their Male Performer of the Year doesn't say Male Human Performer of the Year... It leaves an openning for a great Male Horse Performer or Male Dog Performer or some other riduculousness. What if female performers started injecting their Vivid and Wicked lesbian scenes into GayVN. By definition, it is gay sex. The award shouldn't have to say Best Gay Male on Male Sex Act Between Two Legitimately Gay Males, it should be implied.

Obviously, M2F and F2M are two totally different performance types. How can you compare the best female performer to the best male performer when one is doing double and triple penetrations and the other has to keep a hard cock for hours and hours through numerous cuts, positions, etc? I don't think you can compare the two. I know that Buck's stuff sells pretty well and he clearly has a fan base, but it really makes no sense. It does feel to me a bit like AVN is mocking the genre.

AVN has recently done things such as remove TS lines from the Specialty Rentals Charts. They have also added a whole bunch of new awards for all the other specialty areas since TS stuff has really owned this category for years. Best Hairy Twat DVD, Best Fat Girl DVD, etc... It's becoming even more silly. Just give everyone their own award to shut them up.

Finally, Danielle had wanted to work with Buck before he worked with any other TS and I advised her against it based upon what I regard as the "freak show" factor. I remember Foxxy Angel fucking a midget in some pictures. People aren't getting into your stuff because it's hot necessarily, but because it's strange. It's like a bad car wreck and everyone wants to rubber neck. No I am not insulting Buck with that statement. It has nothing to do with Buck. It just has to do with the pairing and it's bizarre factor. Buck isn't a freak and neither are we (MtF TS), so why should we be creating product that is marketed as freak show or odd. Because yes, when people see beautiful, voluptuous Allanah Starr take out her shecock and stick it into a man's pussy, it's wierd.

I do congratulate Buck, and perhaps he is a great performer. In fact, it is completely and totally impossible to dislike the guy since he is so friendly and articulate. However, I don't really agree with him being part of the same category. Being a peer for the same award with someone named Buck does take some of the glamour away.

I ran a poll on my Yahoo Group that got almost 450 responses and Danielle was a 2-1 favorite over the next closest vote getter. This should have been her year in my opinion. I feel it is unfortunate that the folks at AVN chose this year to make a statement. Whatever that might be.

I also am so completely happy that I was not nominated this year so I can speak my mind on the topic without people telling me I am jealous or hateful. I am neither. I simply have an opinion. I think it's retarded to compete with men for the same award.

Diesel - Man with a Pussy - for Transsexual Performer of the Year 2008

http://shop.transsexual.sex-superstore.com/images/pimage/dvd/2018247C.jpg

Vicki

[Realgirls4me]

OK fine. we'll see how many tranny websites fold
and go under when they completely convert
to man-pie features.
then we'll compare the " progress " of it all.
Yeeepeee!

Huh? What, pray tell, are you talking about?

All I was trying to say is that the TS world is not only being recognized at the AVN Awards, whether one agrees with their nominations or not, but also on the shelves of bookstores and DVD vendors inside and outside of cyberspace. Can anyone deny that?

So what are you talking about again? Clarify.


.

[GroobySteven]

Excellent post, Vicki - well done.

AVN has always mocked our industry. AVNonline done an article on the TS porn genre recently and despite the writer stating how big it was, they refused to run it as a cover feature because "trannys don't sell" ?

I'll take back my statement on how brave it was for AVN to give the award to Buck and re-state, that it was "grandstanding".

Fact, remains that until they opened an eligable category for him - where would he go - he is a transsexual and I stand by the fact that he is a transsexual and won in the "Best Transexual" category. Implying that it's MtoF TS, isn't good enough and this has proved it.

Maybe AVN reads this board and got scared about the speaches other nominees might state? Oh, I forgot, the TS performer award doesn't even get to collect the award.

Still well done Buck!
seanchai

[BeardedOne]

Maybe AVN reads this board and got scared about the speaches other nominees might state? Oh, I forgot, the TS performer award doesn't even get to collect the award.

I remember reading this once before. There's no "I'd like to thank the Academy..." dribble or "Thank you to the 'little people'..." (The latter only lacking insult content if spoken by Judy Garland, Chevy Chase, or Peter Jackson)?

How do they get the pretty, glass monolith? Is it beamed down by intelligent forces on Venus? Or is it delivered by some guy that rings the doorbell and announces "Candygram!"? :wink:

Seriously, that's a very long list of awards, are Ts the only major category that doesn't step to the podium?

[Ecstatic]

Congrats to Buck, he is a transsexual and thereby qualifies for the award. Does he deserve it? I have no idea; I have not seen his filmwork, so I cannot gauge the quality of his performance. For that matter, I've only seen a handful of TS porn altogether, so if I voted, it would be based solely on the work I do know by those nominated, which in turn would not be fair (in part because most of that work is pre-2006).

I think Vicki makes several excellent points. It's a shame that there is no M2F TS performer of the year winner as, Buck and Diesel (don't know him at all) aside, the TS porn field is M2F TS and should be represented by a top M2F performer of the year. I don't know the sales figures, but I'll wager that 99% of the TS porn market is M2F, and that market should be represented.

[hondarobot]

I don't see how Buck Angel winning is in any way "mocking" the TS scene. AVN represents mainstream adult entertainment, most of the people who read the magazine or visit the website probably don't know what "transexual" even means.

And like it or not, Buck is a transexual man.

That's reality. People should be a little less sensative and realize it's just an award show.

His winning was somewhat shocking, even provacative in a way, which is sometimes a good thing. Maybe some people will take a closer look at the whole transexual situation in general and try to better understand it.

[tsluva]

OK fine. we'll see how many tranny websites fold
and go under when they completely convert
to man-pie features.
then we'll compare the " progress " of it all.
Yeeepeee!

Huh? What, pray tell, are you talking about?

All I was trying to say is that the TS world is not only being recognized at the AVN Awards, whether one agrees with their nominations or not, but also on the shelves of bookstores and DVD vendors inside and outside of cyberspace. Can anyone deny that?

So what are you talking about again? Clarify.


.

i hear ya,
i just don't agree that Buck getting TS Performer of Year award
should be considered "progress" .

Though probably less regarded in their award recognition,
i thought up to this point the standard and measuring stick
for TS performers was already set with what we
thought the image of TS performer was before the latest
AVN award winner.
and mind you that likely performers like Daniella Fox,
Joanna Jet, Wendy and Yasmin Lee have been overlooked
and far deserving of the award.

Call it a specialty or some other kind of category that Buck
can be fit under and more suited for but i just don't think he
should have been added to mix of tgirls nominees that
have been previously entered into the AVN award ceremony.

what is to stop crossdresser and drag queens from
being seriously added to the mix in the near future?
Now this just only creates "confusion" rather than
add "progress" in my opinion.
To me, mockery and confusion is not progress.

.

[Buck Angel]

I think it's a great and brave choice.

The award is "Transsexual Performer" not "Transsexual MtF Perfomer". Buck has appeared in many films with some of our favourite TS stars - and I'm sure those models think Buck is deserving of the award.

I'll give myself an ice-cream for promoting Buck in 2003 and being the first mainstream TS site to feature him and his website.

Congratulations Buck - I hope your getting a big kick out of this - it's brought a smile to my Sunday.
seanchai

Seanchai!

Thank you so much.Yes you were the very first to take a chance with me and supported what I was doing even though all the guys on your site were pretty upset by me. I will always remember that!! You are a pioneer just like I am so you understand it is very important work.

As for all you guys who are upset about my win you have to understand that I am a pioneer. This is a hugh step for ALL transsexuals in the business. I am sure many of you have never seen my work nor care too. You are turned on by women I am a man so that makes sense. You should open your minds. Once these girls were where I am and now it is totally mainstream. Now it is "ok" for you to be into these girls and once it was not!

So I have won this award for a reason. It was not because they wanted to pull some stunt. That is insulting to me and my work. Would you say the same if a girl won? I hate sore losers. If you read what the award is about you might change your mind.

Many of the girls have sent me emails with congrats! So they seem to be happy. Wendy Williams being the first to call me.

I hope you can see a bit more now what this is all about and maybe be happy for an underdog!

Thanks!
Buck Angel

[Buck Angel]

My take on it is this... This is no different than lumping male and female performers together into one Performer of the Year award. Furthermore, it opens up more ridiculous possibilities. Just because the award didn't say "M2F Transsexual Performer of the Year" doesn't mean that wasn't implied. Just like their Male Performer of the Year doesn't say Male Human Performer of the Year... It leaves an openning for a great Male Horse Performer or Male Dog Performer or some other riduculousness. What if female performers started injecting their Vivid and Wicked lesbian scenes into GayVN. By definition, it is gay sex. The award shouldn't have to say Best Gay Male on Male Sex Act Between Two Legitimately Gay Males, it should be implied.

Obviously, M2F and F2M are two totally different performance types. How can you compare the best female performer to the best male performer when one is doing double and triple penetrations and the other has to keep a hard cock for hours and hours through numerous cuts, positions, etc? I don't think you can compare the two. I know that Buck's stuff sells pretty well and he clearly has a fan base, but it really makes no sense. It does feel to me a bit like AVN is mocking the genre.

AVN has recently done things such as remove TS lines from the Specialty Rentals Charts. They have also added a whole bunch of new awards for all the other specialty areas since TS stuff has really owned this category for years. Best Hairy Twat DVD, Best Fat Girl DVD, etc... It's becoming even more silly. Just give everyone their own award to shut them up.

Finally, Danielle had wanted to work with Buck before he worked with any other TS and I advised her against it based upon what I regard as the "freak show" factor. I remember Foxxy Angel fucking a midget in some pictures. People aren't getting into your stuff because it's hot necessarily, but because it's strange. It's like a bad car wreck and everyone wants to rubber neck. No I am not insulting Buck with that statement. It has nothing to do with Buck. It just has to do with the pairing and it's bizarre factor. Buck isn't a freak and neither are we (MtF TS), so why should we be creating product that is marketed as freak show or odd. Because yes, when people see beautiful, voluptuous Allanah Starr take out her shecock and stick it into a man's pussy, it's wierd.

I do congratulate Buck, and perhaps he is a great performer. In fact, it is completely and totally impossible to dislike the guy since he is so friendly and articulate. However, I don't really agree with him being part of the same category. Being a peer for the same award with someone named Buck does take some of the glamour away.

I ran a poll on my Yahoo Group that got almost 450 responses and Danielle was a 2-1 favorite over the next closest vote getter. This should have been her year in my opinion. I feel it is unfortunate that the folks at AVN chose this year to make a statement. Whatever that might be.

I also am so completely happy that I was not nominated this year so I can speak my mind on the topic without people telling me I am jealous or hateful. I am neither. I simply have an opinion. I think it's retarded to compete with men for the same award.

Diesel - Man with a Pussy - for Transsexual Performer of the Year 2008

http://shop.transsexual.sex-superstore.com/images/pimage/dvd/2018247C.jpg

Vicki

Vicki,

Much of what you say is very true. But somehow I always feel like you have tons of hate for what I am doing. If you read my interviews you will see that I make sure I am never put in the Freak section. This is why I left Robert Hill and you see a guy like Diesel trying to take my place there. They have made him into the freaky transsexual man with tits and a pussy!
He is the kind of transsexual man you should be pissed at. He will fuck up everything I have done to make TS man porn a hot genre like yours.

I do believe I should not have to run against the women it makes no fucking sense but what do I do just sit around and do nothing? I had to compete in the awards because I deserve to just like you. I work my ass off just like you. I have many fans just like you.

You will see one day what I have done for not only me but you and all the girls. I think we should talk to AVN about seperating us. It is only fair. But for now I won and I would appreciate you supporting me like I support you!

XXX
Buck Angel

[BeardedOne]

Heya Buck!

I was waiting/expecting for you to chime in. :D Congrats on the win! :claps

I've watched your scene with Allanah and think you both had too much fun with it. :lol:

Keep up the good work. :peanutbutter

[Vicki Richter]

Vicki,

Much of what you say is very true. But somehow I always feel like you have tons of hate for what I am doing. If you read my interviews you will see that I make sure I am never put in the Freak section. This is why I left Robert Hill and you see a guy like Diesel trying to take my place there. They have made him into the freaky transsexual man with tits and a pussy!
He is the kind of transsexual man you should be pissed at. He will fuck up everything I have done to make TS man porn a hot genre like yours.

I do believe I should not have to run against the women it makes no fucking sense but what do I do just sit around and do nothing? I had to compete in the awards because I deserve to just like you. I work my ass off just like you. I have many fans just like you.

You will see one day what I have done for not only me but you and all the girls. I think we should talk to AVN about seperating us. It is only fair. But for now I won and I would appreciate you supporting me like I support you!

XXX
Buck Angel

I don't have hate at all for what you are doing. You make porn. I make porn. Everything you said above is correct. I knew about you way back when Saigon's website had taken off and I was looking for a webmaster. Even then I was impressed with how well you have transitioned. I heard really good things from Saigon about you and your work ethic for her site. As I said, it is impossible to dislike you.

I support you from the standpoint that you won the award and bitching isn't going to change anything. I don't support it from the context of comparing apples and carrots. I wish I could explain it better. You coming in was like inserting a Hummer into a sportscar award event. The Hummer obviously is superior in a bunch of different ways that no sportscar can compete with and vice-versa. If that was the only SUV to get inserted, because of it's uniqueness, it might have an unfair advantage. The sportscar manufacturers might cry out in outrage because it just doesn't make sense for them to lose a competition because their car can't go off road and seat a family of 8.

You are a man without a true genre Buck. Maybe you will create one and more and more men like you will begin adult careers so there is actually a competition. While shemale porn bridges our kink into straight pornography, I believe much of your porn bridges the kink into gay pornography. A man fucking you has all the smoke and mirrors appearance of gay sex just like if I fuck a GG, it has the smoke and mirrors appearance of lesbian sex. Gay sex is a gayvn thing, lesbian is an AVN thing.

But, for now, you will be permanently inserted into a category created originally for transsexual women. You will be there next year, and the year after, and the year after... We're permanently going to be competing against a guy named Buck or maybe others named Diesel, Bob, or Frank when we aspire to be compared against women. I feel it's as insulting as them throwing other male performers such as Christian or Kurt Lockwood into our category. It's permanently tainted the award and made it a "just throw all those tranny freaks together" type of thing. As a transsexual woman, I would be mortified to be put into a contest where I was rated against all guys, transsexual or otherwise.

V

[Dkg]

Oh wow...is this for real?

[swimnn]

Reminds me of when Jethro Tull won best metal band instead of Metalica. The people handing out the awards just don't get it.

[GroobySteven]

Reminds me of when Jethro Tull won best metal band instead of Metalica. The people handing out the awards just don't get it.

although there is a transsexual link there...
seanchai

[RangeHova]

Congrats to Buck, he is a transsexual and thereby qualifies for the award. Does he deserve it? I have no idea; I have not seen his filmwork, so I cannot gauge the quality of his performance.

I think most of the people on here that have spoken out against the award fall into the same category. I can't get upset about him winning because i don't know shit about his work. I have seen maybe half a scene of his just to see what it would be like but it did nothing for me.

I think I, and most of everyone here, have a bias.

Even with that being the case, I can't expect a mainstream group to give out an award that really represents the best TS award. In most cases it will only go to the biggest name or the person who had the most exposure that year.

I doubt that much critical consideration really comes into play.

[Solitary Brother]

My take on it is this... This is no different than lumping male and female performers together into one Performer of the Year award. Furthermore, it opens up more ridiculous possibilities. Just because the award didn't say "M2F Transsexual Performer of the Year" doesn't mean that wasn't implied. Just like their Male Performer of the Year doesn't say Male Human Performer of the Year... It leaves an openning for a great Male Horse Performer or Male Dog Performer or some other riduculousness. What if female performers started injecting their Vivid and Wicked lesbian scenes into GayVN. By definition, it is gay sex. The award shouldn't have to say Best Gay Male on Male Sex Act Between Two Legitimately Gay Males, it should be implied.

Obviously, M2F and F2M are two totally different performance types. How can you compare the best female performer to the best male performer when one is doing double and triple penetrations and the other has to keep a hard cock for hours and hours through numerous cuts, positions, etc? I don't think you can compare the two. I know that Buck's stuff sells pretty well and he clearly has a fan base, but it really makes no sense. It does feel to me a bit like AVN is mocking the genre.

AVN has recently done things such as remove TS lines from the Specialty Rentals Charts. They have also added a whole bunch of new awards for all the other specialty areas since TS stuff has really owned this category for years. Best Hairy Twat DVD, Best Fat Girl DVD, etc... It's becoming even more silly. Just give everyone their own award to shut them up.

Finally, Danielle had wanted to work with Buck before he worked with any other TS and I advised her against it based upon what I regard as the "freak show" factor. I remember Foxxy Angel fucking a midget in some pictures. People aren't getting into your stuff because it's hot necessarily, but because it's strange. It's like a bad car wreck and everyone wants to rubber neck. No I am not insulting Buck with that statement. It has nothing to do with Buck. It just has to do with the pairing and it's bizarre factor. Buck isn't a freak and neither are we (MtF TS), so why should we be creating product that is marketed as freak show or odd. Because yes, when people see beautiful, voluptuous Allanah Starr take out her shecock and stick it into a man's pussy, it's wierd.

I do congratulate Buck, and perhaps he is a great performer. In fact, it is completely and totally impossible to dislike the guy since he is so friendly and articulate. However, I don't really agree with him being part of the same category. Being a peer for the same award with someone named Buck does take some of the glamour away.

I ran a poll on my Yahoo Group that got almost 450 responses and Danielle was a 2-1 favorite over the next closest vote getter. This should have been her year in my opinion. I feel it is unfortunate that the folks at AVN chose this year to make a statement. Whatever that might be.

I also am so completely happy that I was not nominated this year so I can speak my mind on the topic without people telling me I am jealous or hateful. I am neither. I simply have an opinion. I think it's retarded to compete with men for the same award.

Diesel - Man with a Pussy - for Transsexual Performer of the Year 2008

http://shop.transsexual.sex-superstore.com/images/pimage/dvd/2018247C.jpg

Vicki

First of all your anger is misplaced.
Buck IS A TRANSEXUAL!
He is just as vital,valuable and hardworking as you Vicki.
Think about the people who vote on this award....how many of them value transexuals as human beings?
You see?
Thats your problem.
You put weight on an award that is an afterthought to those who created it.
Most people in the adult video industry and society as a whole regard ALL trannys as FREAKS!
THAT MEANS YOU MISS!!!!
Buck Angel is a proud transMAN and a trailblazer and congrats to him~!

[Solitary Brother]

Vicki,

Much of what you say is very true. But somehow I always feel like you have tons of hate for what I am doing. If you read my interviews you will see that I make sure I am never put in the Freak section. This is why I left Robert Hill and you see a guy like Diesel trying to take my place there. They have made him into the freaky transsexual man with tits and a pussy!
He is the kind of transsexual man you should be pissed at. He will fuck up everything I have done to make TS man porn a hot genre like yours.

I do believe I should not have to run against the women it makes no fucking sense but what do I do just sit around and do nothing? I had to compete in the awards because I deserve to just like you. I work my ass off just like you. I have many fans just like you.

You will see one day what I have done for not only me but you and all the girls. I think we should talk to AVN about seperating us. It is only fair. But for now I won and I would appreciate you supporting me like I support you!

XXX
Buck Angel

I don't have hate at all for what you are doing. You make porn. I make porn. Everything you said above is correct. I knew about you way back when Saigon's website had taken off and I was looking for a webmaster. Even then I was impressed with how well you have transitioned. I heard really good things from Saigon about you and your work ethic for her site. As I said, it is impossible to dislike you.

I support you from the standpoint that you won the award and bitching isn't going to change anything. I don't support it from the context of comparing apples and carrots. I wish I could explain it better. You coming in was like inserting a Hummer into a sportscar award event. The Hummer obviously is superior in a bunch of different ways that no sportscar can compete with and vice-versa. If that was the only SUV to get inserted, because of it's uniqueness, it might have an unfair advantage. The sportscar manufacturers might cry out in outrage because it just doesn't make sense for them to lose a competition because their car can't go off road and seat a family of 8.

You are a man without a true genre Buck. Maybe you will create one and more and more men like you will begin adult careers so there is actually a competition. While shemale porn bridges our kink into straight pornography, I believe much of your porn bridges the kink into gay pornography. A man fucking you has all the smoke and mirrors appearance of gay sex just like if I fuck a GG, it has the smoke and mirrors appearance of lesbian sex. Gay sex is a gayvn thing, lesbian is an AVN thing.

But, for now, you will be permanently inserted into a category created originally for transsexual women. You will be there next year, and the year after, and the year after... We're permanently going to be competing against a guy named Buck or maybe others named Diesel, Bob, or Frank when we aspire to be compared against women. I feel it's as insulting as them throwing other male performers such as Christian or Kurt Lockwood into our category. It's permanently tainted the award and made it a "just throw all those tranny freaks together" type of thing. As a transsexual woman, I would be mortified to be put into a contest where I was rated against all guys, transsexual or otherwise.

V

YOUR angry because Danielle didnt win and I understand that BUT.......
I dont think she would have won anyways........Not that she didnt deserve too.
I have always said she should have won last year.
Please lay of Buck........
Its about time transmen got their just propers...

[Nautica]

...And, how many of you have been e-mailing/contacting "AVN" with your concerns? Lol... This reminds me of the Pageant Message Boards...People get on them and go yapping away about the person who won, instead of trying to make SOME SORT of diffence, if only a tiny one. It won't hurt to try and see if something, if anything, can be changed/compromised. If not, this will be the first year, but not the last. Buck didn't vote for himself, so...


Nautica=^.^=



P.S.

Solitary Brother,

Are you F2M?

[Vicki Richter]

I made intelligent articulate points. Yes I am opinionated.

Fine, even though they are not, all transsexuals are the same. All men and women are the same too. They should do away with male and female Olympic sports and let everyone compete together since we are all the same. They should let female sheep in the Ms Universe pagent because to some people, they are beautiful too. I am going to buy a Yorkie soon, a female, I am going to dress her as a boy dog, teach her some tricks, and see if that counts at AVN toward Transsexual PoY since human isn't in the award title and neither is sexual performer. We can't assume anything obviously.

I would rather write a column on AVN about it. I'll have to see if they will let me.

[Solitary Brother]

...And, how many of you have been e-mailing/contacting "AVN" with your concerns? Lol... This reminds me of the Pageant Message Boards...People get on them and go yapping away about the person who won, instead of trying to make SOME SORT of diffence, if only a tiny one. It won't hurt to try and see if something, if anything, can be changed/compromised. If not, this will be the first year, but not the last. Buck didn't vote for himself, so...


Nautica=^.^=



P.S.

Solitary Brother,

Are you F2M?

No just supportive of the cause.....

And by the way all of you say that Vanity is old and ugly(I know I know) go look at her MYSPACE site and her video interview posted there.
She looks better than ANY transexual and most genetic women!

Go see her with your own eyes......her beauty her femininity her realness.

Ive never seen anyone like her EVER!

[Solitary Brother]

I made intelligent articulate points. Yes I am opinionated.

Fine, even though they are not, all transsexuals are the same. All men and women are the same too. They should do away with male and female Olympic sports and let everyone compete together since we are all the same. They should let female sheep in the Ms Universe pagent because to some people, they are beautiful too. I am going to buy a Yorkie soon, a female, I am going to dress her as a boy dog, teach her some tricks, and see if that counts at AVN toward Transsexual PoY since human isn't in the award title and neither is sexual performer. We can't assume anything obviously.

I would rather write a column on AVN about it. I'll have to see if they will let me.

Your being VERY wrongheaded about this Vicki.
Go educate yourself about transmen.....they struggle too...they are your brothers.
Your analogies are very hurtful and wrong.
I know your hurt about Danielle not winning and yes she is deserving but please dont hurt others with your words.
Please.........

[Vicki Richter]

I am not trying to be hurtful. I am making analogies. Sure, extreme analogies, but analogies never-the-less. I am not comparing transmen to farm animals or sport utility vehicles. I am just explaining that it is not the same thing and should not be compared together. It isn't the same genre - just like hairy armpit muff girls aren't the same as hairy bear men.

[Nautica]

...And, how many of you have been e-mailing/contacting "AVN" with your concerns? Lol... This reminds me of the Pageant Message Boards...People get on them and go yapping away about the person who won, instead of trying to make SOME SORT of diffence, if only a tiny one. It won't hurt to try and see if something, if anything, can be changed/compromised. If not, this will be the first year, but not the last. Buck didn't vote for himself, so...


Nautica=^.^=



P.S.

Solitary Brother,

Are you F2M?

No just supportive of the cause.....

And by the way all of you say that Vanity is old and ugly(I know I know) go look at her MYSPACE site and her video interview posted there.
She looks better than ANY transexual and most genetic women!

Go see her with your own eyes......her beauty her femininity her realness.

Ive never seen anyone like her EVER!

Oh no...say it isn't so! People think Vanity is old and ugly? Why? I have never met her in person, but she looks beautiful from her photos. Oh, and I saw her on a Maury show. They didn't pic her as TS! Gorgeous gal.

[Dkg]

I made intelligent articulate points. Yes I am opinionated.

Fine, even though they are not, all transsexuals are the same. All men and women are the same too. They should do away with male and female Olympic sports and let everyone compete together since we are all the same. They should let female sheep in the Ms Universe pagent because to some people, they are beautiful too. I am going to buy a Yorkie soon, a female, I am going to dress her as a boy dog, teach her some tricks, and see if that counts at AVN toward Transsexual PoY since human isn't in the award title and neither is sexual performer. We can't assume anything obviously.

I would rather write a column on AVN about it. I'll have to see if they will let me.


Even though you're probably wrong for that, I laughed.

[Ecstatic]

Again, I say congrats to Buck, he's a true pioneer and appears from his posts and rep to be a nice guy as well. Yet I basically agree with Vicki's comments, the only problem being that there is no category for Buck otherwise. How many transmen are doing porn? Two? (Buck and Diesel?) That's not a category, and his work should be respected and considered. Yet Vicki's point holds that TS who have worked so hard to become the women they are inside should not be compared to men, and likewise TS who have worked so hard to become the men they are inside shouldn't be compared to women. The categories are quite distinct in this regard. But until there are sufficient transmen in porn to justify their own category, what do you do? Ignore them? Bad. Put them in with the TS women? Bad. Lump them in some "freak" category? Really bad.

So props to Buck for winning, but there are some basic problems with porn taxonomy.

[skyler]

Congrats Buck!

I find it a bit unfair to have only 3 TS awards of of 10 pages of mainstream awards but...

Was very happy to see that Buck won (Though I agree that the short list of awards can skew the results). As with any award presentation, the AVNs will grow and evolve over time. Remember, wasn't all that long ago that there were =NO= T categories.
true there b1!

[Buck Angel]

You know I feel very sad that my sisters are so pissed that I won an award that I deserved. AVN had the balls to give it to me. Again please read what the award is given for.

I have fought my way into an industry that was so closed minded to me. Most all of you were not the first. You had someone open the door for you. Well that is what I am doing. I am the first Transsexual man pornstar. It is because of me that guys like Deisel can even think of doing this.

I am a pioneer in an industry that does not like change. They wanted to make me into a freak I stood my ground. If you read the many interviews I have done around the world you will see. And yes I have had tons of exposure this last year because I fucking work my ass off with no backing. This is all my own company. I do not have a big studio behind me like most of you girls. I do not escort to make money I only do porn films to make my living.

Jesus christ Vicki you of all people should just be happy. You know your good friend Danille that you told not to do a movie with has already contacted me to do one. Because she sees the value in what I am doing.

How many mainstream shows have you been on? How much mainstream exposure do you give us porn transsexuals. I bet nothing like what I do and will in the next year. Sorry you think I don't deserve this award but I have it and it is mine because I deserve it. I really was hoping to get more of a positive feedback from you but you have showed your true colors to bad for you.

Proudly,
Buck Angel
2007 AVN Transsexual Performer of the Year

[GroobySteven]

You know I feel very sad that my sisters are so pissed that I won an award that I deserved. AVN had the balls to give it to me. Again please read what the award is given for.

I have fought my way into an industry that was so closed minded to me. Most all of you were not the first. You had someone open the door for you. Well that is what I am doing. I am the first Transsexual man pornstar. It is because of me that guys like Deisel can even think of doing this.

I am a pioneer in an industry that does not like change. They wanted to make me into a freak I stood my ground. If you read the many interviews I have done around the world you will see. And yes I have had tons of exposure this last year because I fucking work my ass off with no backing. This is all my own company. I do not have a big studio behind me like most of you girls. I do not escort to make money I only do porn films to make my living.

Jesus christ Vicki you of all people should just be happy. You know your good friend Danille that you told not to do a movie with has already contacted me to do one. Because she sees the value in what I am doing.

How many mainstream shows have you been on? How much mainstream exposure do you give us porn transsexuals. I bet nothing like what I do and will in the next year. Sorry you think I don't deserve this award but I have it and it is mine because I deserve it. I really was hoping to get more of a positive feedback from you but you have showed your true colors to bad for you.

Proudly,
Buck Angel
2007 AVN Transsexual Performer of the Year


You go Buck! You should be proud.

So who is next on your tgirl list to do a video shoot with?

seanchai

[hwbs]

congrats buck :lol:

[Felicia Katt]

No disrespect to anyone involved, but having a lump all category like Best Transsexual, with one FTM and 5 MTF, is like having a Best Pet contest with 1 dog and 5 cats. The 5 cats will split the cat fans votes while the dog will get all the pro-dog votes and all the anti-cat ones . If the voters were evenly divided between cat fans and dog fans, the dog would get 50 per cent of the votes, and the cats would average 10 per cent each. Thats a huge margin, and it means that if only 25 per cent of the dog fans voted, the dog would still probably get more votes than any one cat would. Even if there are way more cat fans than dog fans, say 4 to 1 or 80 per cent to 20 per cent, the dog would get 20 per cent of the votes and the cats would average at 16 per cent of the vote. Similarly, if only 10 or 20 per cent of the voters were cat haters and would never vote for a cat, the dog would likely get more anti-cat votes than the total pro cat votes than any single cat would get. Its pretty close to impossible for a cat to win under those circumstances.

But Buck ddn't make the rules, and its unfair to blame him for their result. Congrats to him for the award and to all the nominees. It really is an honor to be recognized for your work.

FK

[GroobySteven]

No disrespect to anyone involved, but having a lump all category like Best Transsexual, with one FTM and 5 MTF, is like having a Best Pet contest with 1 dog and 5 cats. The 5 cats will split the cat fans votes while the dog will get all the pro-dog votes and all the anti-cat ones . If the voters were evenly divided between cat fans and dog fans, the dog would get 50 per cent of the votes, and the cats would average 10 per cent each. Thats a huge margin, and it means that if only 25 per cent of the dog fans voted, the dog would still probably get more votes than any one cat would. Even if there are way more cat fans than dog fans, say 4 to 1 or 80 per cent to 20 per cent, the dog would get 20 per cent of the votes and the cats would average at 16 per cent of the vote. Similarly, if only 10 or 20 per cent of the voters were cat haters and would never vote for a cat, the dog would likely get more anti-cat votes than the total pro cat votes than any single cat would get. Its pretty close to impossible for a cat to win under those circumstances.

But Buck ddn't make the rules, and its unfair to blame him for their result. Congrats to him for the award and to all the nominees. It really is an honor to be recognized for your work.

FK

Your analogy is in-correct. It would be like having a Best Pet Performance and the award would be given on the best performance - not the individual pet - or one group of persons preference for a certain pet.
Buck was voted the PERFORMER among a few PERFORMERS - the fact he's a dog and the rest were pussies, isn't the issue.

seanchai

[Felicia Katt]

Your analogy is in-correct. It would be like having a Best Pet Performance and the award would be given on the best performance - not the individual pet - or one group of persons preference for a certain pet.
Buck was voted the PERFORMER among a few PERFORMERS - the fact he's a dog and the rest were pussies, isn't the issue.

seanchai
Unless there are some objective, quantifiable parts to the performances here that I am unaware of, this is a case of entirely subjective assessments and my analogy holds. It doesn't matter if you are comparing 1 dog to 5 cats, or one pet fetching sticks to 5 others playing with yarn, when comparing one excelllent but unique performance or performer to 5 other excellent but similar performances or performers , the unique one will almost always get more votes.

Instead of going back and forth like cats and dogs on this issse, can we agree that Avn should be in the doghouse for barely throwing transgender performers and performances a bone? I mean, they have separate awards for best actor and actess for video and film for straight productions? They lump all transsexuals into one category but they think that film and video productions need to be separate? AVN has 4 best straight performer awards and about 8 other categories to recognize and honor other straight performers (best newcomer, crossover, best solo etc etc) and just one for Transgender, and dozens of awards for best movies and scenes for straight video and just one of each for transgender productions. That is just wrong, or as they say down south, "That dog won't hunt"

FK

[GroobySteven]

Your analogy is in-correct. It would be like having a Best Pet Performance and the award would be given on the best performance - not the individual pet - or one group of persons preference for a certain pet.
Buck was voted the PERFORMER among a few PERFORMERS - the fact he's a dog and the rest were pussies, isn't the issue.

seanchai
Unless there are some objective, quantifiable parts to the performances here that I am unaware of, this is a case of entirely subjective assessments and my analogy holds. It doesn't matter if you are comparing 1 dog to 5 cats, or one pet fetching sticks to 5 others playing with yarn, when comparing one excelllent but unique performance or performer to 5 other excellent but similar performances or performers , the unique one will almost always get more votes.

Instead of going back and forth like cats and dogs on this issse, can we agree that Avn should be in the doghouse for barely throwing transgender performers and performances a bone? I mean, they have separate awards for best actor and actess for video and film for straight productions? They lump all transsexuals into one category but they think that film and video productions need to be separate? AVN has 4 best straight performer awards and about 8 other categories to recognize and honor other straight performers (best newcomer, crossover, best solo etc etc) and just one for Transgender, and dozens of awards for best movies and scenes for straight video and just one of each for transgender productions. That is just wrong, or as they say down south, "That dog won't hunt"FK

Nope your analogy is completely wrong - which is why we have Best Actor role in the Oscars and not a Best Caucasion Actor, Best Latin Actor, etc. I wasn't really expecting you to admit an error, god forbid.
Also, AVN is Adult Video News. Transsexual adult videos, although huge to us in the scene, are not that big a niche within the overall market, it's small so having three awards in the transgender category would seem fair enough to me. There are plenty of other niches which only get partial representation.
What we might want to get away from is the fact that AVN is the be all and end all of everything. It's not - it's a promotional magazine that advertises videos/DVDs for the industry. There is no panel of judges from the industry peers (that I know of), there is not voting from consumers - the awards are chosen by a handul of people who work for AVN. Winning an award doesn't make or break a performer or a DVD, it's nice as a bit of flash on the cover of the box and for bragging rights but that's about it.
In fact, I think we'll withdraw from even putting in nominations next year and re-write our box covers "AVN AWARD Winner - Never" to see if it affects sales.

seanchai

[BillyCuddles]

Does the Adult Film Industry have a "Peoples Choice Award" that would award the performer voted by the consumer. (of course they'd have to call it something else)

Perhaps the Industry should take example from Mainstream Film and offer more than 1 venue held by a private corporation.

[Vicki Richter]

No disrespect to anyone involved, but having a lump all category like Best Transsexual, with one FTM and 5 MTF, is like having a Best Pet contest with 1 dog and 5 cats. The 5 cats will split the cat fans votes while the dog will get all the pro-dog votes and all the anti-cat ones . If the voters were evenly divided between cat fans and dog fans, the dog would get 50 per cent of the votes, and the cats would average 10 per cent each. Thats a huge margin, and it means that if only 25 per cent of the dog fans voted, the dog would still probably get more votes than any one cat would. Even if there are way more cat fans than dog fans, say 4 to 1 or 80 per cent to 20 per cent, the dog would get 20 per cent of the votes and the cats would average at 16 per cent of the vote. Similarly, if only 10 or 20 per cent of the voters were cat haters and would never vote for a cat, the dog would likely get more anti-cat votes than the total pro cat votes than any single cat would get. Its pretty close to impossible for a cat to win under those circumstances.

But Buck ddn't make the rules, and its unfair to blame him for their result. Congrats to him for the award and to all the nominees. It really is an honor to be recognized for your work.

FK

I think this is another good analogy.

Again, what is done is done. I have congratulated you Buck. I don't have to agree with the outcome though. Regardless you won an award against girls. Nice job. It's like the Lakers beating a WNBA team in Summer league and saying how they deserved it because they were the better basketball players. It's like Mike Tyson in his prime knocking out Oprah Winfrey and her 4 best friends in one match and then saying how he is the best boxer. Frankly I wish you could understand why it is unfair to rank men against women in contests regardless of them being gender fucks or genetic.

People read this and say, "there is the cunt Vicki again" or "there is evil Vicki"... but I just don't believe male and female performers should ever be ranked against one another in a category dealing with sex, physical attributes, or performance. I don't care if it's unfair and you don't have your own because you are the only one. Your the lone 2006 TS man in porn and you beat a potential 1,000 TS girl performers.

[GroobySteven]

Can I put up my Vicki on a cross image again? Can I please, please :twisted:

Oh maybe not...
seanchai

[Solitary Brother]

No disrespect to anyone involved, but having a lump all category like Best Transsexual, with one FTM and 5 MTF, is like having a Best Pet contest with 1 dog and 5 cats. The 5 cats will split the cat fans votes while the dog will get all the pro-dog votes and all the anti-cat ones . If the voters were evenly divided between cat fans and dog fans, the dog would get 50 per cent of the votes, and the cats would average 10 per cent each. Thats a huge margin, and it means that if only 25 per cent of the dog fans voted, the dog would still probably get more votes than any one cat would. Even if there are way more cat fans than dog fans, say 4 to 1 or 80 per cent to 20 per cent, the dog would get 20 per cent of the votes and the cats would average at 16 per cent of the vote. Similarly, if only 10 or 20 per cent of the voters were cat haters and would never vote for a cat, the dog would likely get more anti-cat votes than the total pro cat votes than any single cat would get. Its pretty close to impossible for a cat to win under those circumstances.

But Buck ddn't make the rules, and its unfair to blame him for their result. Congrats to him for the award and to all the nominees. It really is an honor to be recognized for your work.

FK

I think this is another good analogy.

Again, what is done is done. I have congratulated you Buck. I don't have to agree with the outcome though. Regardless you won an award against girls. Nice job. It's like the Lakers beating a WNBA team in Summer league and saying how they deserved it because they were the better basketball players. It's like Mike Tyson in his prime knocking out Oprah Winfrey and her 4 best friends in one match and then saying how he is the best boxer. Frankly I wish you could understand why it is unfair to rank men against women in contests regardless of them being gender fucks or genetic.

People read this and say, "there is the cunt Vicki again" or "there is evil Vicki"... but I just don't believe male and female performers should ever be ranked against one another in a category dealing with sex, physical attributes, or performance. I don't care if it's unfair and you don't have your own because you are the only one. Your the lone 2006 TS man in porn and you beat a potential 1,000 TS girl performers.

You know Vicki ......your not evil or trying to be a cunt(not that thats a bad thing).
But your focus on Buck is WRONG!!!
Its the industry of people you look up to who are in my opinion nothing but homophobes and transphobes!
Get into it!
If you REALLY want to get straight to the point I think Vaniity should have won EVERY year because she draws in more people to watch tranny porn because they dont believe she has a dick.
Now I could say "Vicki....you and the other girls will NEVER compare to Vaniity,Vaniity is this and that and such as such....
That would be wrong to say........
This world is about VARIETY.
Different strokes for different folks.
I applaud Buck and guess what he passes better than you so now what?
Transexuals arent even accepted in GAY soceity......they are tolerated.
Stop being negative towards your own.......
If you girls would work together you could accomplish more.
How come there are no awards by transexuals themselves?
Why are you looking to the dominant culture for awards and acceptance?
Its all about harmony and unity and being self sufficent.
Screw the adult industry.
They fuck over genetic girls.
Beautiful ones.
Get real and get active.
And as a sometimes user of tranny porn Im willing to do my part.


Peace

[michneo]

I agree with Naomi Katsumi Is it me or Jenna Jameson get's an award every fucking year

Ion think Hillary Scott shoulda got performer of the year i think Bella or even Naomi Shoulda got it

No Steve Holmes No Manuel Ferrera that list is pretty much bullshit

What the hell is a buck angel anyway

[GroobySteven]

I
What the hell is a buck angel anyway

What the hell is a michneo anyway?

Jeez - you certainly no how to make yourself sound really really dumb.
seanchai

[Felicia Katt]

Nope your analogy is completely wrong - which is why we have Best Actor role in the Oscars and not a Best Caucasion Actor, Best Latin Actor, etc. I wasn't really expecting you to admit an error, god forbid.

When I'm wrong I'll readily admit it, but your just saying so, absent any proof or support, doesn't make it so. Your comparison to the Oscars is an example of a flawed analogy. They don't have a best performer category. They have best actor and best actress. Some have argued that its unfair to compare dramatic and comedic performances against each other, which is maybe why other awards tend to have two separate categories.

Vicki's analogies don't really track either. I'm sure Buck is a very talented performer, but he isn't the NBA to the WNBA or Tyson to Oprah. Boxing and Basketball are largely objectively decided. The person or team who scores the most points or inflicts the most damage wins. Frankly, my money would be on Oprah, but I digress

None of this is really relevant to the point I made, which is a well documented and often exploited dynamic of elections. Where you have one unique candidate being compared or competing with mutliple similar candidates, the unique one has a very distinct advantage. Its about dilution of support. Thats why political parties have run "false flag" candidates. A candidate who might lose 40 per cent to 60 percent to one candidate can win against 2, who each get 30 per cent. Bush won in small part in 2000 because Nader drew votes that would have gone to Gore in a two man race. Clinton probably benefitted from Perot in somewhat the same fashion, though Perot was more of a centrist and arguably drew support from both sides.

No matter how you frame the analogy. it won't hang true if the comparison is weighted too heavily to one side. Best beverage can't compare 5 pinots to one ale. Best Vehicle can't be 5 Ferraris to one Lambo so on and so forth. and Apples to Oranges don't compare, especially if you put up a Navel against a Pippin, a Golden Delicious, a Mcintosh and a Granny Smith

FK

[GroobySteven]

Yeah but your wrong - and it's not my saying so, it's obvious and common sense. Your completely and utterly wrong. Black and white - so don't twist the facts to fit your desires.

What happened to you? You used to post informative and interesting posts on a number of topics, you now only jump in when it appears that one of your chums has been slighted in some way? Somebody hits the bat light for an excellent litigator and you come running, like a dog - not a cat.

Buck is not a dog - and he wasn't competing with cats. It was Best Transsexual Performer - move on this just stinks of sour grapes.
seanchai

[Felicia Katt]

I'll admit I was wrong, to try to have a reasoned discussion. I offer an analogy. You simply say its wrong but can't or won't say how. When you offer an analogy of your own, I say its flawed (not wrong) and then point out just how I think its flawed. (btw, I also point out the flaws in Vicki's arguments, slighting my own "chum" in your words). I then explain and expound and expand on my own analogy and you ignore what I say, and just reiterate that its wrong because you say its obvious and against common sense, again without saying how.

And then you accuse me of twisting the facts? What fact did I twist? The only fact in play is that at the AVN, one FTM performance somehow competes against 5 MTF ones. Thats it. Thats all.

You say Buck's performance was the best Transsexual one. Do you really think it would stack up, one on one, against every other nominated performance? Nothing against Buck, and not to take anything away from his accomplishments, but I think the answer to that question is obvious and common sense.

After ignoring the gist of, or not responding to my message, you then attack the messenger. Its true I don't post here often any more because very little is discussed of any interest to me anymore. Politics and Religion are off on their own online leper colony and what few substantive discussions that make the mainland quickly devolve into personal attacks. So we are clear, I never said Buck was a dog, or the other girls were pussys. That's your twist. Sour Grapes? I never argued who should have won, only that it was virtually impossible for any nominated girl to do so under the circumstances. Buck is a brave and talented performer deserving of recognition and the other nominees are all beautiful and talented and deserving too. But incomparably so.

moving on
FK

[Vicki Richter]

Can I put up my Vicki on a cross image again? Can I please, please :twisted:

Oh maybe not...
seanchai

You probably need to. I will stop. I think I made my point. I just get passionate about some things that I probably don't need to.

[Ecstatic]

None of this is really relevant to the point I made, which is a well documented and often exploited dynamic of elections. Where you have one unique candidate being compared or competing with mutliple similar candidates, the unique one has a very distinct advantage. Its about dilution of support. Thats why political parties have run "false flag" candidates. A candidate who might lose 40 per cent to 60 percent to one candidate can win against 2, who each get 30 per cent. Bush won in small part in 2000 because Nader drew votes that would have gone to Gore in a two man race. Clinton probably benefitted from Perot in somewhat the same fashion, though Perot was more of a centrist and arguably drew support from both sides.

No matter how you frame the analogy. it won't hang true if the comparison is weighted too heavily to one side. Best beverage can't compare 5 pinots to one ale. Best Vehicle can't be 5 Ferraris to one Lambo so on and so forth. and Apples to Oranges don't compare, especially if you put up a Navel against a Pippin, a Golden Delicious, a Mcintosh and a Granny Smith

FK
In terms of logic and statistical analysis, Felicia is totally on the money here: "Where you have one unique candidate being compared or competing with mutliple similar candidates, the unique one has a very distinct advantage. Its about dilution of support." This is a basic principle of statistical analysis, and Felicia goes on to illustrate this point with several valid examples. Even (and especially) if one fully accepts the idea that there should be just one "best transsexual performer" category, the analysis holds true that the unique candidate has an inherent advantage over multiple similar candidates. That's not to in any way denigrate Buck's performance or accomplishments: those stand on their own merits (and bravo).

There's another side to this, I think: that is that, to the best of my understanding as a non-transgendered person, M2F TS want to be regarded as women, not as men or as TS, and F2M TS want to be regarded as men, not as women or as TS. Only in the realm of porn do they want to be recognized as TS. Am I wrong about this? Do TS women(men) want to be grouped with TS men(women) because they happen to both be transgendered? I don't think so. But we have well-intentioned positioning on both sides arguing that it's most fair to a) group them together in one category or b) group them separately in different categories.

[calitexas]

I have to agree with Vicki. Sorry. It seems very clear cut to me. Different category altogether.