Zelensky, good or bad?

[BostonBad]

What's the general consensus here on Zelensky? I thought he was brave but over time he was demanding and bitchy to Biden and he's also disrespectful to Trump too.

They have their supporters too, and Zelensky should be aware of this. He's not a real statesman, he seems different for sure. A statesman would have negotiated for more money, protection and a gameplan for peace.

Maybe Zelensky should step down and help us decide if semen is good to eat.

[filghy2]

Seriously? Ukraine was invaded by a brutal dictator who has killed 10s of thousands of Ukrainians and you think the main issue is whether Zelensky has been sufficiently respectful?

During WWII Churchill was continually pressing FDR to provide more assistance to Britain. Did FDR publically berate him for being 'disrespectful' and not sufficiently grateful for what he got? Did he accuse Churchill of having too much hate for Hitler? Did he blame him for the war and try to force him to make peace on Hitler's terms? Do you think the world would have been a better place if he'd done that?

Have you even watched the video of the meeting? Do you even know what they are trying to bully Zelensky into agreeing to? It's not a gameplan for peace or protection. It's a gameplan for giving Putin what he wants and taking half of Ukraine's mineral revenues without providing any US security guarantees.

Why is it disrespectful for Zelensky to resist making such a one-sided agreement? Why is it disrespectful for Zelensky to say that Putin cannot be trusted, given he has reneged on previous agreements? Is it respectful for Trump and Vance to publically berate Zelensky just because he disputes these points? If it's disrespectful for Zelensky to not wear a suit, why doesn't the same apply to Elon Musk?

Do you ever wonder why it is that Trump almost always takes Putin's side, repeats Russian propaganda and never criticises Putin on anything? Or are you just a remarkably incurious person? I think it's time to face the reality that your President is Putin's puppet.

It's also time to face the reality that this forum is just about dead. Even Stavros has disappeared. I notice your one and only fan seems to have disappeared as well, so I guess you are feeling a bit lonely.

[BostonBad]

Seriously? Ukraine was invaded by a brutal dictator who has killed 10s of thousands of Ukrainians and you think the main issue is whether Zelensky has been sufficiently respectful?

During WWII Churchill was continually pressing FDR to provide more assistance to Britain. Did FDR publically berate him for being 'disrespectful' and not sufficiently grateful for what he got? Did he accuse Churchill of having too much hate for Hitler? Did he blame him for the war and try to force him to make peace on Hitler's terms? Do you think the world would have been a better place if he'd done that?

Have you even watched the video of the meeting? Do you even know what they are trying to bully Zelensky into agreeing to? It's not a gameplan for peace or protection. It's a gameplan for giving Putin what he wants and taking half of Ukraine's mineral revenues without providing any US security guarantees.

Why is it disrespectful for Zelensky to resist making such a one-sided agreement? Why is it disrespectful for Zelensky to say that Putin cannot be trusted, given he has reneged on previous agreements? Is it respectful for Trump and Vance to publically berate Zelensky just because he disputes these points? If it's disrespectful for Zelensky to not wear a suit, why doesn't the same apply to Elon Musk?

Do you ever wonder why it is that Trump almost always takes Putin's side, repeats Russian propaganda and never criticises Putin on anything? Or are you just a remarkably incurious person? I think it's time to face the reality that your President is Putin's puppet.

It's also time to face the reality that this forum is just about dead. Even Stavros has disappeared. I notice your one and only fan seems to have disappeared as well, so I guess you are feeling a bit lonely.

Yes, as far as the Forum goes, people are getting tired about knowing if semen is good to eat. Many are just trying it out by themselves.

Also, when this site started a ts was a novelty, a rarity, a needle in the haystack. Today there are so many more and it's been normalized too.

As far as the deal with Zelensky goes, I agree with you, it's weak on President Puto and the USA will take a healthy share of Ukraine's natural resources. There is another resource to consider, healthy men of fighting age. Ukraine doesn't have enough of them so a shitty deal is better than no deal, which is essentially a form of Ukrainian genocide. Perhaps they can have a big baby boom and fight another day in 25 years.

On a lighter note, how can this forum gain some new life? The Word Association game only goes so far. I am getting tired to trying to use words so that other people select words that can be linked to my favorite food, semen.


Are there any other forums like this but more popular?

[filghy2]

Are there any other forums like this but more popular?

If you do an internet search on 'trans forums' there's a few that come up, though I haven't joined any yet. Most of them look like they are intended more for trans people rather than for TS admirers discussing their sexual fantasies.

[MrFanti]

The Russian invasion of Ukraine shows racism has no boundaries
(Africans may have a different perspective of Zelensky)
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-shows-racism-has-no-boundaries/

[Lorca81]

Zelensky might have different opinions from the conventional Ukrainian because he's not Ukrainian by blood. Maybe he sees the future of the Ukraine as something different than other nations do.

I certainly hope you aren’t implying that Zelenskyy isn’t a “real” Ukrainian because he’s of Jewish ancestry. If so, kindly fuck off with that antisemitic bullshit. He was born and raised in Ukraine and that makes him Ukrainian.

[filghy2]

Zelensky might have different opinions from the conventional Ukrainian because he's not Ukrainian by blood. Maybe he sees the future of the Ukraine as something different than other nations do.

A rootless cosmopolitan, huh? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootless_cosmopolitan

Fyi, Zelensky was born in Ukraine and has lived there most of his life. Interestingly, he was raised as a Russian speaker, though this clearly hasn't led him to favour Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy

[broncofan]

Bostonbad,
I can't decide whether the biggest problem with your antisemitism is that it's repugnant or that it ends up being such a distraction to sound reasoning. Zelenskyy could have left the country at the outset of the war and been repatriated to another country or hidden in a bunker. He has not decided to lead his countrymen in their resistance to Russia because he stands to profit but because Russia has a history of using peace agreements to consolidate their position. There is no point in signing a treaty if it will not be honored or if its terms can't be enforced. The idea that he doesn't have his countrymen's interests at heart or that he is cavalierly sacrificing their lives for his ambition is something you came to the table with. It's not based on any reality.

In Putin, you have a guy who has poisoned and murdered doctors, dissidents, expats, and journalists. He decided to invade Ukraine not because of threats by NATO but because he believes Russia has a territorial right to rule over Ukraine. He assassinates people when they get in his way. Yet you want to know if Zelenskyy is bad.... He's 10 times the human being you are. If he's done something dishonorable or self-serving, by all means point it out.

He went to the oval office and outargued Trump and Vance in his third language. I didn't think he sounded disrespectful. I thought he sounded like an earnest person trying to plead an honest case if front of people who ambushed him with every bad faith tactic they could.

[broncofan]

Ukraine doesn't have enough of them so a shitty deal is better than no deal, which is essentially a form of Ukrainian genocide. Perhaps they can have a big baby boom and fight another day in 25 years.

You think Ukraine would be in a better position to defend its territory 25 years from now, after it's been annexed, and ruled by a Russian military dictatorship? You think under those conditions they are going to have a baby boom? They have not avoided this path simply because Zelenskyy wants to wage war but because it's a thousand times more hopeless than their current odds.

Edit: You don't seem to understand that a shitty deal is a deal that can't be enforced and won't be honored.

[filghy2]

I can recall Bostonbad making negative comments about George Soros, so he definitely has form in this area. Interestingly, he doesn't seem at all perturbed about Elon Musk exerting far more influence through his money.

[filghy2]

Edit: You don't seem to understand that a shitty deal is a deal that can't be enforced and won't be honored.

It may be a moot point anyway because Putin doesn't seem to be interested in even the one-sided deal that Trump is offering. Evidently, he has made a judgement about Trump and concluded that he can do better by not making a deal.