Disgraced One-Term Former President Convicted of 34 Felony Counts

[Fitzcarraldo]

I think this warrants its own topic:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-trial-jury-deliberations-hush-money-case-rcna154607

Maybe the dam has broken.

[Stavros]

Can a resident of Florida vote if he has a criminal conviction?

[rodinuk]

the BBC said no

[Fitzcarraldo]

Can a resident of Florida vote if he has a criminal conviction?

Can't vote, but can be voted for.

[KnightHawk 2.0]

Can't vote, but can be voted for. Yes Unfortunately.

[filghy2]

Unfortunately, I doubt this is will make much difference, for the reasons outlined here.
https://www.vox.com/politics/352465/trump-convicted-felon-elections

Attempting to overturn the last election was a far more serious matter, yet it hasn't made Trump unelectable. In comparison, this case looks more like run-of-the-mill dubious behaviour. How many swinging voters will read about this verdict and think: "So Trump is a dodgy guy who ignores the law? I had no idea."

[Fitzcarraldo]

A conviction on 34 counts will cost him votes, period. It remains to be seen if it will cost him sufficient votes for him to lose.

Eventually some people will wise up to the fact that this guy who claims he can do nothing but win has done nothing but lose since the 2020 election.

But it's a real morale boost for those of us wanting to keep faith in the criminal justice system.

Too bad his other cases are all being intentionally slow walked.

[filghy2]

This article looks at the polling evidence. Looking at the actual questions that were asked, and previous experience, it concludes that the impact will probably be much less than the headline results might suggest, but it could still make a difference if the race is very tight.
https://abcnews.go.com/538/trumps-guilty-verdict-impact-2024-presidential-election/story?id=110650906

[Stavros]

How do those 'Evangelical Christians' now vote, when they can no longer deny their messenger of God treats marriage and the family with contempt -as well as the law- or will they deny the reality of the court's decision and as Trump said moments after conviction 'I am very innocent', insist he is indeed innocent? The contradiction of the truth does appear to be standard with Republicans nowadays.

The argument against a prison sentence is that a) it is a first conviction, and b) it was not a violent crime. The questions being asked concern the conditions of the sentence -will the Court limit his movements, will he have to report to his Probation Officer once a week, could be be given a hefty fine, community service ? (which is what we call it in the UK).

I think I read somewhere that other NDAs whose terms have expired (I don't know how these things work) may expose Trump to more scandal.

Lastly, would it benefit Biden to refuse to share a platform with Trump in the so-called 'Debates' because a convicted criminal is not fit for (any) pubic office?

[Stavros]

Rudolph Giuliani, the Republican elected Mayor of New York City now says that city for most if not all of the last 150 years has been "a thoroughly corrupt city, ruled by a Democratic dictatorship,” So what was it when he was Mayor? As for this, to call it unhinged is an understatement, it just makes one wonder how people like this ever became involved in politics and the law -

"“You want to save the American justice system, you have to vote this demented dictator our of office,” he continued, accusing the prosecutors who brought the case of being the real “criminals” and Joe Biden of furthering a “Marxist” plot to take over the country."
Giuliani hits the livestream after Trump verdict and claims New York has always been ‘thoroughly corrupt’ - except when he was mayor (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/giuliani-hits-the-livestream-after-trump-verdict-and-claims-new-york-has-always-been-thoroughly-corrupt-except-when-he-was-mayor/ar-BB1nlY3O?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ACTS&cvid=2d515d7289c3459f86e5d88a39653cd9&ei=45)

And yet, neither Giuliani, nor house Speaker Michael Johnson, deny that Trump had sexual relations with two women who he was not married to, and successfully -at the time- stopped this being reported in the media. As for Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky of the 'I did not have sex with that woman' fame, could er, double standards be in operation here?

And if you are famous, does it mean you don't get a trial because the Jury will know the person? Like, oh I don't know, OJ Simpson?

[filghy2]

Lastly, would it benefit Biden to refuse to share a platform with Trump in the so-called 'Debates' because a convicted criminal is not fit for (any) pubic office?

Another of your Freudian slips? The answer is almost certainly no because Biden is behind in the polls, so he needs these debates.

[Stavros]

Another of your Freudian slips? The answer is almost certainly no because Biden is behind in the polls, so he needs these debates.

Where is the Freudian Slip?

I understand your point -I wonder, could the networks hosting the debates pull them on the basis they don't want to give air time to a convicted criminal-?

Or they could keep Trump backstage and appear on a video screen rather than be allowed to share a stage with Biden -?? It's not like they are of equal status.

[peejaye]

I don't suppose The Guardian bothered reporting this? I wonder who'll be laughing on November 6?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13478269/Trump-campaign-website-CRASHES-donations-guilty-verdict.html

[Stavros]

Here for you, spud-

"His campaign fired off a flurry of fundraising appeals. One text message called him a “political prisoner”, even though he has not yet found out whether he will be sentenced to prison and most experts see it as highly unlikely. The campaign also began selling black “Make America Great Again” caps to reflect a “dark day in history”.Trump campaign aides reported an immediate rush of contributions so intense that WinRed, a platform the campaign uses for fundraising, crashed."
Lawless and disorderly: Republicans line up behind Trump after conviction | Donald Trump trials | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/01/trump-verdict-republicans-reaction-election)

[Stavros]

On Trump and voting, this is in fact the situation in Florida-

"A felony conviction in another state makes a person ineligible to vote in Florida only if the conviction would make the person ineligible to vote in the state where the person was convicted.2
Can Felons Vote in Florida? Voting Rights Restoration | US Vote (usvotefoundation.org) (https://www.usvotefoundation.org/voting-rights-restoration/florida)

A more intriguing question, from, yep a comment in The Guardian (sorry, Peejaye) is -can a convicted felon be Commander-in-Chief of the US military?

[KnightHawk 2.0]

Here for you, spud-

"His campaign fired off a flurry of fundraising appeals. One text message called him a “political prisoner”, even though he has not yet found out whether he will be sentenced to prison and most experts see it as highly unlikely. The campaign also began selling black “Make America Great Again” caps to reflect a “dark day in history”.Trump campaign aides reported an immediate rush of contributions so intense that WinRed, a platform the campaign uses for fundraising, crashed."
Lawless and disorderly: Republicans line up behind Trump after conviction | Donald Trump trials | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/01/trump-verdict-republicans-reaction-election)Not surprising at all that Trump Enablers like Tim Scott,Marco Rubio,Mike Johnson and others are coming to Donald Trump's defense,spreading the same reckless and dangerous rhetoric their leader is spewing.

[filghy2]

Where is the Freudian Slip?

Hiding in plain sight. Let's just say that Trump seems very qualified for the sort of office you mentioned.


I understand your point -I wonder, could the networks hosting the debates pull them on the basis they don't want to give air time to a convicted criminal-?

Or they could keep Trump backstage and appear on a video screen rather than be allowed to share a stage with Biden -?? It's not like they are of equal status.

That's not going to happen, and nor would it be a good idea.

1. The networks are not going to pass up a big ratings opportunity. Nor will they want to look like they are favouring one side.

2. You've overlooked the obvious point that both sides have to agree to the debate rules.

3. How exactly would that convince voters who are undecided or leaning towards Trump? Biden needs to convince them that he's a better and less risky option for their interests than Trump. He needs to take Trump on in debate, otherwise it will look like he is hiding.

[Stavros]

Can Trump be barred from the Ballot in the State of Washington?

""Washington has a law on the books against convicted felons running for office.""It was first established (https://leg.wa.gov/CodeReviser/documents/sessionlaw/1865pam1.pdf) back when Washington was a territory, in 1865, that anyone convicted of 'infamous crimes' could be blocked from holding elected office. That was modified in 1959 (https://leg.wa.gov/CodeReviser/documents/sessionlaw/1959c329.pdf?cite=1959%20c%20329%20%C2%A7%2026), and then again more recently (https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/Session%20Laws/House/2624.SL.pdf?cite=2016%20c%20130%20%C2%A7%203), to the scheme we have today," the writer added. "Any registered voter can 'challenge the right of a candidate to appear on the general election ballot' for any of five causes, state law says (https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=29A.68.020). One of those causes is flashing in bold neon lights today: 'Because the person whose right is being contested was, previous to the election, convicted of a felony by a court of competent jurisdiction, the conviction not having been reversed nor the person’s civil rights restored after the conviction.'"".
Trump verdict could lead to 'no name listed' for GOP presidential candidate in one state (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-verdict-could-lead-to-no-name-listed-for-gop-presidential-candidate-in-one-state/ar-BB1nsMBO?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEESS&cvid=4a9a7a9dbbec4b0fa308b6cafa5e28b6&ei=72)

[Stavros]

Latest from Eric Trump

"“For the first time, they realize that the system’s coming down, that he’s the victim, he’s the victim that oftentimes some of their communities were,”
“You see them swinging. Look at the African American vote, right? That’s swinging over to Donald Trump in spades.”"


One wonders if this man has ever had a day job. Or any job come to think of it. You know, the kind where you work with real people from diverse backgrounds.