Daisy Taylor - Why I wouldn’t recommend work in the adult industry

[ceejay100]

This appeared on Daisy's YouTube channel yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO7vZtnpHeY

[GroobySteven]

She makes some very valid points.
I'll pick up some which are pertinent to my company, or my feelings on the industry.

1. The flat fee. Why do girls not get royalties.
I completely get where this is coming from, but most models don't really have the bigger picture. I can only speak for Grooby but our margins on shoots are very slim. We're probably amongst the smallest payment per shoot, but I believe most girls get more shoots over a year with us then most companies. We also shoot with 100s of girls, where most companies shoot only a dozen or so.

If a model gets $1000 for a shoot, we also have to pay her scene partner, and the producer along with any other associated expenses but we usually are able to get most scenes to an un-edited stage for under $3000. We then have to pay for these scenes to be edited so that's a photo and a video editor on salary. We also have webmasters, marketing, accountant, servers, anti-piracy software, insurance, equipment, lawyers, travel expenses, etc. Everything you'd expect to run any company, has to be accounted for. So it's a lot more than the $1000 we need to make back before we are even in profit. For someone like Daisy, we know it's going to work well - but there are a good number of scenes during the year which we have to dump (after model/producer is paid) or models/scenes who probably won't return what we've spent on it. If we didn't shoot all these models, there wouldn't be any new talent come through (count how many new models started on Gamma, TransAngels, etc.).

So we have the finished scene and it goes on the website - and it's got one goal which is a) bring in new members and b) keep existing members happy to retain their membership. That's what/how we judge whether content is successful or not. By the following week, or indeed by the following month, that content's value has dropped as the members are looking for the newer scenes. If you want data on this, then look at GroobyArchives.com - the largest trans website in the world 45,000 scenes, featuring all the content from GroobyGirls, BlackTgirls, BrazilianTranssexuals, AsianTgirl (ladyboyladyboy) updating every week with about 18 scenes a week. The catch is the scenes are all two years out of date (so still 4k and great quality) yet it's membership is less than 8% of GroobyGirls. People want NEW content.
So our business model, generally I feel the websites update returns what we paid for the scene, and the extra things we do (DVD releases, VOD, premium sites, licensing) is our profit. I can say in all honesty, that by the time the bills are paid for most scenes our profit is less or the same as what the models get paid, which is why we have to rely on other avenues to boost that (white labels, advertising revenue, etc.). I know other companies have different business models, ours is shoot a lot of content at a fair price, and hope we can all profit on it, and it's because we shoot so much content that we're able to maintain profitability.

2. The fans - and the mental health aspect/bullying.
Daisy is so spot-on with this. The fans who demand the most, or don't really give a shit about the models are usually the ones that aren't paying for it. Even when they are paying, the barrier between model and the fans is too slim, social media has made it that way and there are a lot of bullies and a lot of demands, and for a model it must be exhausting. I can speak from my own experience, and if you follow me on Twitter @groobysteven you will see some of the madness I get in emails. The reason you guys probably think I can be gnarly here, is that we get someone asking/demanding an answer to a question, yet they've never spent a penny with us? As much as I'd like to help, my time is limited. We also get the fans who completely ignore you, when you tell them why something won't work, or those who claim to be speaking for everyone because we don't cater to their whim. I've had days where my head is spinning from dealing with people all day long, and I'm not being asked to sexualize myself (bless) so I can imagine the toll on the girls which is much, much worse than my miniscule issues in comparison.

People need to do better and be aware. This is why so many girls hire teams to run their OnlyFans, so they can insulate themselves.
This week I've had customers/non-customers ask me how to hook up with a trans girl in their area, why we don't do a certain type of scene on one site, and one character who claims to 'enjoy' seeing our content for free on Xhamster yet demands to know if a Brazilian girl he saw on an escorting site in Bumfuck, Idaho was really her or not. It just wears you down.
So yeah, I understand why Daisy must feel mentally/emotionally over it. It's a one way street - the fans love you as long as you do what they ask, and turn against you for smallest slight.

3. Producers/Companies Don't Care About Feelings.
I can say 100% we do. Yes we're a company out to make profit, but I believe we can do the right thing also and although we'll never make every model happy, and we've got to make some harsh, unpopular decisions on shooting with a model or not, we try to be as mindful to everyone as we possibly can, which is why we're so present on social media and how I'm the only company owner I know of, that models and customers can get access to. We try to reach out to girls who may be struggling or need a word of support, we've an outreach person (Kristel) who is also a licensed therapist and we're going to be offering therapy to those who need it or can't afford. And I'm not going to humble brag about what we've done for individual models or for the overall industry - but our producers and our staff DO CARE - and if you meet us, you'll realize how genuine and passionate we are about that.

4. The Scene
It's not just trans porn, it's porn in general and in the early 2000s maybe we made some stereotypes which we shouldn't have (and from which we've learned) but for the 2020s ... come on. This shit should be outlawed and people shouldn't be buying it. She's right on with it being a feedback loop.
Producers should be asking models what and how they want to be referred to, and what they're comfortable with doing. If that doesn't fit the companies ideal, or the model isn't down with the scene - then it simply shouldn't happen.
We can educate people on trans, on race, on acceptability and normality but too many companies don't and settle for the more exploitative and cheaper way to do things.

I think all girls should watch this before getting too deep into the industry. Many won't have the same problems Daisy has experienced as they won't go as far and get as much work as she did, but even those with less fans need to be aware of the toll it can take, and how to navigate the studios, the fans and the other models. The fans really have to start being more considerate about performers, just becuase you've paid someone once, or have seen them on a website doesn't mean you have access to all parts of their lives, and should expect that. There is a reason so many stars either get management teams or simply disappear from public view. I always tell models, the character you play in porn should be just that, a character and a brand - and keep a lot of your personal life private.

I hope it's not the last we see of Daisy. I've been a huge huge fan since her very first shoots and if it was feasible I'd have a scene of her every two weeks. She's one of the most articulate and anchored performers and I'm convinvced she'll excel wherever and whatever she does!

[ceejay100]

She makes some very valid points.
I'll pick up some which are pertinent to my company, or my feelings on the industry.

1. The flat fee. Why do girls not get royalties.
I completely get where this is coming from, but most models don't really have the bigger picture. I can only speak for Grooby but our margins on shoots are very slim. We're probably amongst the smallest payment per shoot, but I believe most girls get more shoots over a year with us then most companies. We also shoot with 100s of girls, where most companies shoot only a dozen or so.

If a model gets $1000 for a shoot, we also have to pay her scene partner, and the producer along with any other associated expenses but we usually are able to get most scenes to an un-edited stage for under $3000. We then have to pay for these scenes to be edited so that's a photo and a video editor on salary. We also have webmasters, marketing, accountant, servers, anti-piracy software, insurance, equipment, lawyers, travel expenses, etc. Everything you'd expect to run any company, has to be accounted for. So it's a lot more than the $1000 we need to make back before we are even in profit. For someone like Daisy, we know it's going to work well - but there are a good number of scenes during the year which we have to dump (after model/producer is paid) or models/scenes who probably won't return what we've spent on it. If we didn't shoot all these models, there wouldn't be any new talent come through (count how many new models started on Gamma, TransAngels, etc.).

So we have the finished scene and it goes on the website - and it's got one goal which is a) bring in new members and b) keep existing members happy to retain their membership. That's what/how we judge whether content is successful or not. By the following week, or indeed by the following month, that content's value has dropped as the members are looking for the newer scenes. If you want data on this, then look at GroobyArchives.com - the largest trans website in the world 45,000 scenes, featuring all the content from GroobyGirls, BlackTgirls, BrazilianTranssexuals, AsianTgirl (ladyboyladyboy) updating every week with about 18 scenes a week. The catch is the scenes are all two years out of date (so still 4k and great quality) yet it's membership is less than 8% of GroobyGirls. People want NEW content.
So our business model, generally I feel the websites update returns what we paid for the scene, and the extra things we do (DVD releases, VOD, premium sites, licensing) is our profit. I can say in all honesty, that by the time the bills are paid for most scenes our profit is less or the same as what the models get paid, which is why we have to rely on other avenues to boost that (white labels, advertising revenue, etc.). I know other companies have different business models, ours is shoot a lot of content at a fair price, and hope we can all profit on it, and it's because we shoot so much content that we're able to maintain profitability.

2. The fans - and the mental health aspect/bullying.
Daisy is so spot-on with this. The fans who demand the most, or don't really give a shit about the models are usually the ones that aren't paying for it. Even when they are paying, the barrier between model and the fans is too slim, social media has made it that way and there are a lot of bullies and a lot of demands, and for a model it must be exhausting. I can speak from my own experience, and if you follow me on Twitter @groobysteven you will see some of the madness I get in emails. The reason you guys probably think I can be gnarly here, is that we get someone asking/demanding an answer to a question, yet they've never spent a penny with us? As much as I'd like to help, my time is limited. We also get the fans who completely ignore you, when you tell them why something won't work, or those who claim to be speaking for everyone because we don't cater to their whim. I've had days where my head is spinning from dealing with people all day long, and I'm not being asked to sexualize myself (bless) so I can imagine the toll on the girls which is much, much worse than my miniscule issues in comparison.

People need to do better and be aware. This is why so many girls hire teams to run their OnlyFans, so they can insulate themselves.
This week I've had customers/non-customers ask me how to hook up with a trans girl in their area, why we don't do a certain type of scene on one site, and one character who claims to 'enjoy' seeing our content for free on Xhamster yet demands to know if a Brazilian girl he saw on an escorting site in Bumfuck, Idaho was really her or not. It just wears you down.
So yeah, I understand why Daisy must feel mentally/emotionally over it. It's a one way street - the fans love you as long as you do what they ask, and turn against you for smallest slight.

3. Producers/Companies Don't Care About Feelings.
I can say 100% we do. Yes we're a company out to make profit, but I believe we can do the right thing also and although we'll never make every model happy, and we've got to make some harsh, unpopular decisions on shooting with a model or not, we try to be as mindful to everyone as we possibly can, which is why we're so present on social media and how I'm the only company owner I know of, that models and customers can get access to. We try to reach out to girls who may be struggling or need a word of support, we've an outreach person (Kristel) who is also a licensed therapist and we're going to be offering therapy to those who need it or can't afford. And I'm not going to humble brag about what we've done for individual models or for the overall industry - but our producers and our staff DO CARE - and if you meet us, you'll realize how genuine and passionate we are about that.

4. The Scene
It's not just trans porn, it's porn in general and in the early 2000s maybe we made some stereotypes which we shouldn't have (and from which we've learned) but for the 2020s ... come on. This shit should be outlawed and people shouldn't be buying it. She's right on with it being a feedback loop.
Producers should be asking models what and how they want to be referred to, and what they're comfortable with doing. If that doesn't fit the companies ideal, or the model isn't down with the scene - then it simply shouldn't happen.
We can educate people on trans, on race, on acceptability and normality but too many companies don't and settle for the more exploitative and cheaper way to do things.

I think all girls should watch this before getting too deep into the industry. Many won't have the same problems Daisy has experienced as they won't go as far and get as much work as she did, but even those with less fans need to be aware of the toll it can take, and how to navigate the studios, the fans and the other models. The fans really have to start being more considerate about performers, just becuase you've paid someone once, or have seen them on a website doesn't mean you have access to all parts of their lives, and should expect that. There is a reason so many stars either get management teams or simply disappear from public view. I always tell models, the character you play in porn should be just that, a character and a brand - and keep a lot of your personal life private.

I hope it's not the last we see of Daisy. I've been a huge huge fan since her very first shoots and if it was feasible I'd have a scene of her every two weeks. She's one of the most articulate and anchored performers and I'm convinvced she'll excel wherever and whatever she does!

Thanks for such a detailed and considered commentary on this matter, especially considering you had to spend over 40 minutes watching the video.

I guess that there must be extreme pressure on the most popular girls to keep shooting content. It certainly seemed like that with Transangels where there seemed to be a new Daisy scene every week, until they suddenly dried up. Having said that I see from her twitter that she has shot a new scene with TA and is also working with other studios.

Perhaps there has been a recent bad experience and I hope that Daisy bounces back

[MrFanti]

she makes some very valid points.
2. the fans - and the mental health aspect/bullying.
daisy is so spot-on with this. The fans who demand the most, or don't really give a shit about the models are usually the ones that aren't paying for it. Even when they are paying, the barrier between model and the fans is too slim, social media has made it that way and there are a lot of bullies and a lot of demands, and for a model it must be exhausting. I can speak from my own experience, and if you follow me on twitter @groobysteven you will see some of the madness i get in emails. The reason you guys probably think i can be gnarly here, is that we get someone asking/demanding an answer to a question, yet they've never spent a penny with us? As much as i'd like to help, my time is limited. We also get the fans who completely ignore you, when you tell them why something won't work, or those who claim to be speaking for everyone because we don't cater to their whim. I've had days where my head is spinning from dealing with people all day long, and i'm not being asked to sexualize myself (bless) so i can imagine the toll on the girls which is much, much worse than my miniscule issues in comparison.

People need to do better and be aware. This is why so many girls hire teams to run their onlyfans, so they can insulate themselves.
This week i've had customers/non-customers ask me how to hook up with a trans girl in their area, why we don't do a certain type of scene on one site, and one character who claims to 'enjoy' seeing our content for free on xhamster yet demands to know if a brazilian girl he saw on an escorting site in bumfuck, idaho was really her or not. It just wears you down.
So yeah, i understand why daisy must feel mentally/emotionally over it. It's a one way street - the fans love you as long as you do what they ask, and turn against you for smallest slight.

boom - drop the mic!

[dc_guy_75]

Daisy is one of the all-time greats. There have been few more beautiful girls to ever work in the industry, and she's obviously very intelligent and grounded.

Considering aesthetics are extremely important in porn, she's done herself no favors with her tattoos; while some people might like them, most people probably don't. She's also gotten a little chubby (though haven''t we all?)

Even at age 24, her post-covid status seems diminished, and she's experiencing the post-peak trajectory that every porn star or athlete or model experiences.

Daisy/Charlie seems bright enough to do anything she wants, and it's likely better she gives up porn sooner vs later while she's young enough to pursue any potential paths in her life.

[GroobySteven]

Daisy is one of the all-time greats. There have been few more beautiful girls to ever work in the industry, and she's obviously very intelligent and grounded.

Considering aesthetics are extremely important in porn, she's done herself no favors with her tattoos; while some people might like them, most people probably don't. She's also gotten a little chubby (though haven''t we all?)

Even at age 24, her post-covid status seems diminished, and she's experiencing the post-peak trajectory that every porn star or athlete or model experiences.

Daisy/Charlie seems bright enough to do anything she wants, and it's likely better she gives up porn sooner vs later while she's young enough to pursue any potential paths in her life.


Fuck me. This is exactly what she was talking about - see point 3 above.

[Stavros]

Judged by this and the other videos on her YouTube channel, Daisy comes across as a sensible, practical person who enjoys work and most other things in life. Sunshyne Monroe some time ago in a video posted on HA, pointed out how many of her friends who were also performers were often homeless, in debt, with drink and drugs problems. Right now I can imagine that basic problems like paying the rent or trying to buy an apartment are as hard in US cities as they are elsewhere, whereas Daisy may be in the position she is because she knows what to do with the money she has earned. Ignorance about money is one of the oddest things in life, given how important money is, and how little about financial management is taught in schools.

That said, anyone in the performing arts has chosen to work in an unstable business, one that often doesn't pay to most of its people what is earned by the top stars who at a certain level of their career can choose their work, though you have to wonder why someone like Robert De Niro has chosen, we assume to make so many poor films in recent years. There have always been directors and producers who nurtured talent and those who squandered it, or abused it. The lucky ones are those who have made substantial sums from being in a hugely successful franchise like Game of Thrones, or the Harry Potter films, though like footballers, it is still possible for young people who have made millions to lose it by the time they in their 30s.

And I think, not sure, that the most successful porn artist has been Jenna Jameson who made most of her money from the book How to Make Love like a Porn Star, which was No 1 bestseller for six weeks.

It is also a given that women have a lot going for them when young and attractive but less as times go on, or they become mothers, grandmothers and eccentric old ladies, so I hope Daisy has thought about her choices in the long term.

As for the fans, well I guess they have always gone from one end of adoring and harmless to strange and dangerous, only we didn't know that much about such people in the past when there was no social media like there is today, though the absence of Twitter or Facebook didn't stop Chapman from murdering John Lennon or the man who was obsessed with Jodie Foster and tried to kill President Reagan.

[Murmdrum]

that was a great watch and I feel for her...shes right about a majority of the fans being harassing assholes..the internet has been one of the best things ever and at the same time one of the worst things ever. keyboard warrior trolls only interested din their own self gratification. sad state of events. the happiest smile in this video is when she said she's excited for the future after porn...hopefully she finds happiness soon :)

[Murmdrum]

"And I think, not sure, that the most successful porn artist has been Jenna Jameson who made most of her money from the book How to Make Love like a Porn Star, which was No 1 bestseller for six weeks.

It is also a given that women have a lot going for them when young and attractive but less as times go on, or they become mothers, grandmothers and eccentric old ladies, so I hope Daisy has thought about her choices in the long term."


@Stavros....Not to hijack this thread but I believe she made most of her money from the sale of Club Jenna with her ex husband. Not sure what the book brought in. She has struggled with booze and pills and pissed away a lot of that money. The worst part is she has abandoned the three kids she had and is overly active on social media and never mentions them when called on it. She just blocks and moves on. despicable human

[Stavros]

"And I think, not sure, that the most successful porn artist has been Jenna Jameson who made most of her money from the book How to Make Love like a Porn Star, which was No 1 bestseller for six weeks.

It is also a given that women have a lot going for them when young and attractive but less as times go on, or they become mothers, grandmothers and eccentric old ladies, so I hope Daisy has thought about her choices in the long term."


@Stavros....Not to hijack this thread but I believe she made most of her money from the sale of Club Jenna with her ex husband. Not sure what the book brought in. She has struggled with booze and pills and pissed away a lot of that money. The worst part is she has abandoned the three kids she had and is overly active on social media and never mentions them when called on it. She just blocks and moves on. despicable human

You make fair points, given my limited knowledge of Ms Jameson. That said, it does reinforce the argument about the success and failure of financial management, with the rider that one hopes people like Daisy don't fritter away what they have earned.

[natina]

I was on a adult movie set in North Hollywood and the guy would do three (3) movies a month and make $35K/Month profit online only and cost him about 8K- $10K to make. He was very generous when people helped him out during his production passing out $100 bills for the simplest thing like going to your car and bring back a half a tube of Lube that cost $5-$10.
A friend of mine who is a very popular pornstar that looks like a Lolita (young girl) but is Not found this person producing movies from the LA Express back in the days. This very popular porn star never had stable housing although many of her coworkers did and I remember one her coworkers had an assistant and a nice home and a ridiculous amount of escort clients paying super high prices to see her . Some of the girls make it without residuals and some don't.
I have let countless pornstars live in my house and guest house because they fell on hardtimes.
A few of the pornstars made it to A and B mainstream movie rolls but most did Not .

I was told that the $35K they make per month is from having a Catalog if pass movies and having fresh content.
This was not in the Film days when you're budget was how much film you had.

[holzz]

Almost a year old, granted, but never realised she felt that way. Shame. A pioneer of the industry.

[FionaFortune]

Thing that gets me about this interview is the complaint about the studio pay. When she has her OF and uses the studio shoots to as lead gen for her OF. The studio shoots are part of the game, unless you build a fan base from Insta or some other source, studio shoots put you out there. Her main complaint seems to be about the demand for sex. She seems to NOT want to do the sex work to satisfy the fans, which is totally fine. But that's how you get paid in this biz whether OF or studio. my 2 cents

[holzz]

To be fair to her, she got big before OF which only really took off at COVID. So she would have started in the traditional studio format. Studio shooting can be pretty long and tense, and for trans performers this can require a lot of douching anally that cis women won't as a requirement.
I don't doubt her, as a lot of porn stars whether trans or cis say fans can be problematic. I don't see why her demand for sex point was off. It's pretty much normal in sex work to choose what acts one wants to do, and set boundaries.

[FionaFortune]

She lost me as a fan.

She got big on PH before the studio shoots, the whole interview seems a like a long arrogant, self entitled, whine. After seeing this, I am No longer a fan. She does not even get off on the sex, so why should her fans?

I'm sorry you didn't make a Jillion dollars on that shoot, but could you at least pretend to to be in to the sex?, Oh sorry, it's soooo! degrading.

Okay then, screw you!

[holzz]

She lost me as a fan.

She got big on PH before the studio shoots, the whole interview seems a like a long arrogant, self entitled, whine. After seeing this, I am No longer a fan. She does not even get off on the sex, so why should her fans?

I'm sorry you didn't make a Jillion dollars on that shoot, but could you at least pretend to to be in to the sex?, Oh sorry, it's soooo! degrading.

Okay then, screw you!

But with pornhub, it was on Groobygirls, really here since this is run by Groobygirls. Pornhub is just a medium and doesn't make its own porn. Again, i have no reason to doubt her and quite a few porn stars who even enjoy the industry would say it has its drawbacks. A lot of porn stars also say they're not sexual people. I don't see that as implausible. people are complex and not everybody gets into the industry because they are uber-horny. Especially trans women who often don't get access to good jobs. Do you really think every sex worker everywhere gets into it because they're super horny all the time, or because it's a job for them? or they get into it by accident or with no other option? Maybe be lucky as a trans woman yourself that you didn't have that option.

[holzz]

She makes some very valid points.
I'll pick up some which are pertinent to my company, or my feelings on the industry.

1. The flat fee. Why do girls not get royalties.
I completely get where this is coming from, but most models don't really have the bigger picture. I can only speak for Grooby but our margins on shoots are very slim. We're probably amongst the smallest payment per shoot, but I believe most girls get more shoots over a year with us then most companies. We also shoot with 100s of girls, where most companies shoot only a dozen or so.

If a model gets $1000 for a shoot, we also have to pay her scene partner, and the producer along with any other associated expenses but we usually are able to get most scenes to an un-edited stage for under $3000. We then have to pay for these scenes to be edited so that's a photo and a video editor on salary. We also have webmasters, marketing, accountant, servers, anti-piracy software, insurance, equipment, lawyers, travel expenses, etc. Everything you'd expect to run any company, has to be accounted for. So it's a lot more than the $1000 we need to make back before we are even in profit. For someone like Daisy, we know it's going to work well - but there are a good number of scenes during the year which we have to dump (after model/producer is paid) or models/scenes who probably won't return what we've spent on it. If we didn't shoot all these models, there wouldn't be any new talent come through (count how many new models started on Gamma, TransAngels, etc.).

So we have the finished scene and it goes on the website - and it's got one goal which is a) bring in new members and b) keep existing members happy to retain their membership. That's what/how we judge whether content is successful or not. By the following week, or indeed by the following month, that content's value has dropped as the members are looking for the newer scenes. If you want data on this, then look at GroobyArchives.com - the largest trans website in the world 45,000 scenes, featuring all the content from GroobyGirls, BlackTgirls, BrazilianTranssexuals, AsianTgirl (ladyboyladyboy) updating every week with about 18 scenes a week. The catch is the scenes are all two years out of date (so still 4k and great quality) yet it's membership is less than 8% of GroobyGirls. People want NEW content.
So our business model, generally I feel the websites update returns what we paid for the scene, and the extra things we do (DVD releases, VOD, premium sites, licensing) is our profit. I can say in all honesty, that by the time the bills are paid for most scenes our profit is less or the same as what the models get paid, which is why we have to rely on other avenues to boost that (white labels, advertising revenue, etc.). I know other companies have different business models, ours is shoot a lot of content at a fair price, and hope we can all profit on it, and it's because we shoot so much content that we're able to maintain profitability.

2. The fans - and the mental health aspect/bullying.
Daisy is so spot-on with this. The fans who demand the most, or don't really give a shit about the models are usually the ones that aren't paying for it. Even when they are paying, the barrier between model and the fans is too slim, social media has made it that way and there are a lot of bullies and a lot of demands, and for a model it must be exhausting. I can speak from my own experience, and if you follow me on Twitter @groobysteven you will see some of the madness I get in emails. The reason you guys probably think I can be gnarly here, is that we get someone asking/demanding an answer to a question, yet they've never spent a penny with us? As much as I'd like to help, my time is limited. We also get the fans who completely ignore you, when you tell them why something won't work, or those who claim to be speaking for everyone because we don't cater to their whim. I've had days where my head is spinning from dealing with people all day long, and I'm not being asked to sexualize myself (bless) so I can imagine the toll on the girls which is much, much worse than my miniscule issues in comparison.

People need to do better and be aware. This is why so many girls hire teams to run their OnlyFans, so they can insulate themselves.
This week I've had customers/non-customers ask me how to hook up with a trans girl in their area, why we don't do a certain type of scene on one site, and one character who claims to 'enjoy' seeing our content for free on Xhamster yet demands to know if a Brazilian girl he saw on an escorting site in Bumfuck, Idaho was really her or not. It just wears you down.
So yeah, I understand why Daisy must feel mentally/emotionally over it. It's a one way street - the fans love you as long as you do what they ask, and turn against you for smallest slight.

3. Producers/Companies Don't Care About Feelings.
I can say 100% we do. Yes we're a company out to make profit, but I believe we can do the right thing also and although we'll never make every model happy, and we've got to make some harsh, unpopular decisions on shooting with a model or not, we try to be as mindful to everyone as we possibly can, which is why we're so present on social media and how I'm the only company owner I know of, that models and customers can get access to. We try to reach out to girls who may be struggling or need a word of support, we've an outreach person (Kristel) who is also a licensed therapist and we're going to be offering therapy to those who need it or can't afford. And I'm not going to humble brag about what we've done for individual models or for the overall industry - but our producers and our staff DO CARE - and if you meet us, you'll realize how genuine and passionate we are about that.

4. The Scene
It's not just trans porn, it's porn in general and in the early 2000s maybe we made some stereotypes which we shouldn't have (and from which we've learned) but for the 2020s ... come on. This shit should be outlawed and people shouldn't be buying it. She's right on with it being a feedback loop.
Producers should be asking models what and how they want to be referred to, and what they're comfortable with doing. If that doesn't fit the companies ideal, or the model isn't down with the scene - then it simply shouldn't happen.
We can educate people on trans, on race, on acceptability and normality but too many companies don't and settle for the more exploitative and cheaper way to do things.

I think all girls should watch this before getting too deep into the industry. Many won't have the same problems Daisy has experienced as they won't go as far and get as much work as she did, but even those with less fans need to be aware of the toll it can take, and how to navigate the studios, the fans and the other models. The fans really have to start being more considerate about performers, just becuase you've paid someone once, or have seen them on a website doesn't mean you have access to all parts of their lives, and should expect that. There is a reason so many stars either get management teams or simply disappear from public view. I always tell models, the character you play in porn should be just that, a character and a brand - and keep a lot of your personal life private.

I hope it's not the last we see of Daisy. I've been a huge huge fan since her very first shoots and if it was feasible I'd have a scene of her every two weeks. She's one of the most articulate and anchored performers and I'm convinvced she'll excel wherever and whatever she does!

Reminds me of when Sunshyne Monroe retired several years ago, for the same reasons more or less she gave as Daisy did. And is Daisy's real name Charli??

Porn seemingly still has a lot of problems in it, whether cis or trans. There's a guy called Tommy McDonald on Youtube who exposes big performers like Rocco Sifredi and allegations of on set abuse.

[FionaFortune]

PH pays per view, (after the purge, my account was purged) she made money on that. She said in the video she started doing it with for "survival".

She was big there (PH) before studio shoots as per my comment.

No woman should do this if she feels it is degrading. No woman should do it if she is not into it.

The entire video was her saying she felt degraded and she is not into it.

Okay then.

A moral person cannot see her stuff the same after those statements.

I do not want to take part in the sexual degradation of another human being.

(unless they are into it, of course, then okay)

[Stavros]

The entertainment industry is famous/notorious for being unstable -even famous actors go for months without work, and Steven has already pointed out the added costs of producing a scene -it is a high risk/low reward line of work. Blade Runner might be a classic now, it was a box office flop at the time of its release.

I don't see the adult entertainment industry being any different, so most of what Daisy has to say is really just par for the kind of work that is. What disappointed me most was the suggestion that sexual attraction for a transexual is a fetish, because for me it is entirely normal. It might even be controversial for some if I said a fetish defined must surely be something most people don't do -extreme forms of bondage for example, or skat -do people who do this think they are behaving 'normally'?

[holzz]

Daisy is one of the all-time greats. There have been few more beautiful girls to ever work in the industry, and she's obviously very intelligent and grounded.

Considering aesthetics are extremely important in porn, she's done herself no favors with her tattoos; while some people might like them, most people probably don't. She's also gotten a little chubby (though haven''t we all?)

Even at age 24, her post-covid status seems diminished, and she's experiencing the post-peak trajectory that every porn star or athlete or model experiences.

Daisy/Charlie seems bright enough to do anything she wants, and it's likely better she gives up porn sooner vs later while she's young enough to pursue any potential paths in her life.

Didn't know that Charli is her real name lol. no surprise as most porn stars have stage names.

[filghy2]

She lost me as a fan.

She got big on PH before the studio shoots, the whole interview seems a like a long arrogant, self entitled, whine. After seeing this, I am No longer a fan. She does not even get off on the sex, so why should her fans?

I'm sorry you didn't make a Jillion dollars on that shoot, but could you at least pretend to to be in to the sex?, Oh sorry, it's soooo! degrading.

Okay then, screw you!

You seem to be shocked that somebody should say they didn't enjoy being filmed having sex for strangers to masturbate to. What did you think the porn industry was about? I'm sure female porn performers have a range of views about their work, just like other jobs, but at the end of the day it's people putting on a performance to make money. If you think that what you see on screen is real and they are all actually nymphos then you may be a little delusional.

Maybe you can criticize her for being unrealistic about the business in which she chose to made a living, but I don't think it's fair to criticize her for saying she was only pretending to enjoy it for money.

[FionaFortune]

My comment
"She lost me as a fan.

She got big on PH before the studio shoots, the whole interview seems a like a long arrogant, self entitled, whine. After seeing this, I am No longer a fan. She does not even get off on the sex, so why should her fans?

I'm sorry you didn't make a Jillion dollars on that shoot, but could you at least pretend to to be in to the sex?, Oh sorry, it's soooo! degrading.

Okay then, screw you!"

your bs straw man :

You seem to be shocked that somebody should say they didn't enjoy being filmed having sex for strangers to masturbate to. What did you think the porn industry was about? I'm sure female porn performers have a range of views about their work, just like other jobs, but at the end of the day it's people putting on a performance to make money. If you think that what you see on screen is real and they are all actually nymphos then you may be a little delusional.

Maybe you can criticize her for being unrealistic about the business in which she chose to made a living, but I don't think it's fair to criticize her for saying she was only pretending to enjoy it for money.

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What the Hell ?

You just made up a ton of shit I never said and then you wrote a post to criticize me for saying shit you fraudulently put out there.

Utterly dishonest. It's called a Strawman argument.

I tell you what.

Instead of responding to your actual words, why don't I just make up some shit you did not say, then attack you for that?

That's the level of your discourse.

[FionaFortune]

I stand by my statement. She lost me as a fan.

Did you even watch the video?

It's all about her playing the victim while cashing the checks.

She says it is degrading to her.

Okay, that's her truth, I accept that.

I will not participate in the degradation of another human being.

You seem to be saying that we all should continue to support her porn that she feels bullied into
making, which degrades her.

I will support her in any non porn endeavor, though.

[filghy2]

My comment
"She lost me as a fan.

She got big on PH before the studio shoots, the whole interview seems a like a long arrogant, self entitled, whine. After seeing this, I am No longer a fan. She does not even get off on the sex, so why should her fans?

I'm sorry you didn't make a Jillion dollars on that shoot, but could you at least pretend to to be in to the sex?, Oh sorry, it's soooo! degrading.

Okay then, screw you!"

your bs straw man :

You seem to be shocked that somebody should say they didn't enjoy being filmed having sex for strangers to masturbate to. What did you think the porn industry was about? I'm sure female porn performers have a range of views about their work, just like other jobs, but at the end of the day it's people putting on a performance to make money. If you think that what you see on screen is real and they are all actually nymphos then you may be a little delusional.

Maybe you can criticize her for being unrealistic about the business in which she chose to made a living, but I don't think it's fair to criticize her for saying she was only pretending to enjoy it for money.

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What the Hell ?

You just made up a ton of shit I never said and then you wrote a post to criticize me for saying shit you fraudulently put out there.

Utterly dishonest. It's called a Strawman argument.

I tell you what.

Instead of responding to your actual words, why don't I just make up some shit you did not say, then attack you for that?

That's the level of your discourse.

You are making no sense at all.

Having now watched the whole video, I'm even more dismayed by your lack of empathy. I think Daisy came across as intelligent, reasonable and honest. It's almost as if you were demonstrating her point about fans seeing them only as sex objects, rather than real people with feelings.

[holzz]

PH pays per view, (after the purge, my account was purged) she made money on that. She said in the video she started doing it with for "survival".

She was big there (PH) before studio shoots as per my comment.

No woman should do this if she feels it is degrading. No woman should do it if she is not into it.

The entire video was her saying she felt degraded and she is not into it.

Okay then.

A moral person cannot see her stuff the same after those statements.

I do not want to take part in the sexual degradation of another human being.

(unless they are into it, of course, then okay)

She did PH with her then-husband after she did stuff with Grooby/Steven.

Tbh, I don't get your point. It's on record that a number of trans porn stars do acts on screen they don't in real life. It's a job. it's fantasy. Most porn stars whether cis or trans get into by accident, or from doing escort work which was also due to accident or financial needs. Daisy's story of getting into it is not much different to many others. They needed the money, or were in a tight spot and saw sex work as a way out of it.

It's a fact that a lot of trans women, even if the are non-op and have no genital dysphoria, prefer to be bottoms. But many of them, especially if they're hung, tend to be tops in porn or escorting. That's their prerogative. I dont' see the issue in "not liking" how they perform on screen, or any incongruence between their porn sex and real life sex. I dont' need to think about if x porn star tops in a porn scene and then goes home and rides a dildo because they need their bottom cravings fixed.

[Castor_Troy05]

Off topic but her then partner transitioned and is also super hot

[filghy2]

I stand by my statement. She lost me as a fan.

Did you even watch the video?

It's all about her playing the victim while cashing the checks.

She says it is degrading to her.

Okay, that's her truth, I accept that.


I will not participate in the degradation of another human being.

You seem to be saying that we all should continue to support her porn that she feels bullied into making, which degrades her.

I will support her in any non porn endeavor, though.

It seems contradictory to say this after suggesting Daisy should have kept her complaints to herself - in which case, how would anyone have known how she felt?

You seem to have a very black-and-white view that nobody should do porn unless they are really into having sex on camera, and if they choose to do so they should not complain about the industry. This fails to recognise that many people go into porn out of financial necessity. In some ideal world maybe this wouldn't happen, but that isn't the world we are in.

It's possible to have a more nuanced view that recognises that trans porn stars are real people who may have conflicted views about what they do to earn a living. At the end of the day, it's their decision and we have to respect that. I don't think it's for me or anyone else to say that they shouldn't earn their money this way. Nor do I see any hypocrisy in someone doing a job because they need to earn a living while also complaining about the conditions under which they work.

[holzz]

I recall her doing an interview with Holly Randall saying she isn't much of a sexual person, but fell into porn by accident and need. I dont' know Daisy, but I see no real reason to doubt her or think her reasons are fake. The negatives of the porn industry are well-known, and her points seem to correlate with what many other performers say.

That said, she seems to have had a change of heart. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5GN-MOhmaM?si=E0MgaXFPTV25ZGfa

[holzz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFLYUWFpVs8

Seems porn still has a lot of issues.

[ghbryans1]

Gee, the porn industry isn't spiritually or morally uplifting. Who knew?

[holzz]

Gee, the porn industry isn't spiritually or morally uplifting. Who knew?

Yes, who knew? because it's bad to call out bad shit in any industry. Or not call for GOOD SHIT. Or not expect or hope for good shit to result. because even in industries that aren't as historically tainted like porn, bad shit happens. let's accept all negativity in life without any changes!

[filghy2]

Gee, the porn industry isn't spiritually or morally uplifting. Who knew?

There's a difference between things that are inherent to the industry - ie you are paid to have sex for the enjoyment of customers - and things that can be changed. It's not a reason not to treat the performers with more respect.