Onlyfans is proof why you need directors and quality camera

[Icandigit]

I'm trying to understand why some models expects me to pay a premium price compared to sites like evil angel, grooby, transangels etc when their work is subpar. You get these models who are more worried about how they look on camera such as keep staring at the camera l, low battery smoke detector in the background and filming with a phone with bad quality. That's why you need directors. If you are charging 15 and below ok that's understandable but don't expect me to pay 39.99 for such bad content. Not all models do this I'm only saying some.

[Dom Damazo]

I admit i agree, Sometimes u guys find a model that really turn u on but footage they did sucks and it causes frustration. They think need only a celphone and some bad lighting to do good stuff but several cases u cant see nothing, no penetration, bad framework, guys with masks (i absolute hate it , when some guy ask shoot with mask i say i produce porn and no Super hero movies and i block them)

I have a theory that OF and pay sites create a sinergy (its just my way see it). If u find a model in OF that u like but her stuff is low quality u ll try find her in professional sites to consume this model in real great pics and videos to assist better your needs but if u re a costumer of some pay sites and find one or more models that makes u super horny u ll look if those babes have OF and they have good chance u become costumer of their channels. In this way one service help other one.

Thats why i say my models do everything - OF, pay sites , camera shows, twitter posts... everything. It can help them become more famous faster and makes more money.

Some listen me and understand, others nope but i think it have some logic here

as i say - Just my 50 cents

[MrFanti]

While I agree - most are crappy, there are a few jewels within all the coal.

[Dom Damazo]

While I agree - most are crappy, there are a few jewels within all the coal.

Problem is that models thinks what we do is easy. It is NOT and so many do CHANGE OF SCENES. Let me explain what it means : for dont pay actors or actress , owners of channels make deal one each other for shooting lots of stuff and each one keep part of footage to use in their channels. For me this is the cancer of porn and i ll explain why:

Market wants bareback, its a fact . The Models shoot for us make all STD tests in a super serious and respected clinic and we re very rigid about it. I get results online , if all is ok i schedule that model. In Brasil i m GROOBY FACE then its a HUGE responsability that i m doing in best possible way.

Those people that CHANGE scenes i have NO IDEA if they make STD tests and only need 1 with a serious sexual ilness to create a big desaster that can become a destrutive snow ball of sexual contaminations fucking very hard whole adult scenary

I know already happen problems like this in straight market months ago. For TS market things are going well

[Luke Warm]

I have a theory that OF and pay sites create a sinergy…


Thats why i say my models do everything - OF, pay sites , camera shows, twitter posts... everything. It can help them become more famous faster and makes more money.



I agree with this… newer models on fan sites can probably drive new traffic to their pages by doing a pro shoot (as long as their fan sites and pro shoots are using the same name!) and Twitter can also help drive traffic. They are IMO slightly different audiences that need to be shown that additional content is available for the models they like.

As far as quality, ring lights are cheap and there is no excuse not to have one (if not more than one!) Models can also use a remote clicker to take selfie photos and videos, it can be hidden in your hand. Izzy Wilde does this, her fan site content is excellent, and she shoots 99% of it by herself. And she uses her phone. Good content and good quality images is what counts, not the type of camera (phone vs camera)

I know fansite models already do content trades, but why don’t models also collaborate on CREW trades? Get a few people together for a big shoot day, on one scene somebody is the model, on another scene that person is the camera operator (etc). Models should get together to help each other with tech needs. I think this is a huge missed opportunity for some people.

Models can make money on fan sites but they probably need to treat it like an actual job (unless they already have a following) by updating frequently, and posting a good amount of pics and videos (quality AND quantity). I have canceled many fan site subscriptions because of lack of updates. If a model only updates once a week, it’s probably not worth subscribing (and some models update even less!) I know models don’t get into the industry because they are looking for a job that requires hard work. But with fan sites, it seems like the more effort you put in, the more it pays (eventually, anyway).

If pro video producers are having a hard time getting fansite models to do shoots, try paying more! The model is the most important person in this equation. Be able to offer clearly better production quality, and be willing and able to promote the model much more than models can promote themselves (I notice some companies don’t even use the model’s name in their scene titles… wrong!)

TL;DR - fan sites and pro shooters can complement each other, they do not have to be in competition with each other.

[MrFanti]

Problem is that models thinks what we do is easy. It is NOT and so many do CHANGE OF SCENES. Let me explain what it means : for dont pay actors or actress , owners of channels make deal one each other for shooting lots of stuff and each one keep part of footage to use in their channels. For me this is the cancer of porn and i ll explain why:

Market wants bareback, its a fact . The Models shoot for us make all STD tests in a super serious and respected clinic and we re very rigid about it. I get results online , if all is ok i schedule that model. In Brasil i m GROOBY FACE then its a HUGE responsability that i m doing in best possible way.

Those people that CHANGE scenes i have NO IDEA if they make STD tests and only need 1 with a serious sexual ilness to create a big desaster that can become a destrutive snow ball of sexual contaminations fucking very hard whole adult scenary

I know already happen problems like this in straight market months ago. For TS market things are going well

I won't debate you here - absolutely no argument from me.
But there are some decent OF sites out there of just solo scenes and good quality video.

[AsianBabe_]

I hired a cinematographer/director of principal photography and a screenwriter for my OF videos

[GroobySteven]

Not one size fits all.

Some people like the more professionally produced porn, others like the amateur stuff. I for one, cannot watch the TransAngels content - it's too ridiculous for me to imagine myself there, on a space ship, or a driving center, etc. and end up hooking up with a hot trans girl. It's so unreaslitic in both the setup, but also the brightly lit, oversaturated content. But I do respect them for their craft, the content looks fanatastic and they spend a lot of time on it, and for those who like it, I completely get it, it's just my personal choice.
Transfixed is also something I don't get, I don't know who they make it for, it's shot on high budget like a film, and some of the scenes are sexy but utlimately they don't turn me on - but for those who like story driven porn ...
I don't like Christian's stuff, I find it too formulaic but he does well and has a strong following, and the majority of the Brazilian Transsexuals stuff that Damazo makes, doesn't turn me on either.
But all those companies are working, and appeal to different people.

OnlyFans main goal is to get the end-user buying into being closer to the model. I'm not looking for well-lit high quality porn there, I'm looking for someone who is ultra-horny and shooting in their bedroom, while their roomates have no idea what they're doing, or a girl who has a fetish or kink and shows it off, or upskirt outside, open leg in a library, hooking up with a guy/girl and filming it. A girl competing with herself to get the bigger dildo in. I think some of that is super-horny and appeals to me. I completely understand why it doesn't appeal to everyone. At Grooby, I've driven the company to go somewhere in between the ultra pro and the amateur, where we do try to get technically right, but not make it unrealisitc as that's the porn I like. Working with different girls, having a very light hand on retouching, shooting in hotels, beds, sofas, kitchens, etc. keeping it authentic.

Those of you who remember Shemale Strokers, will recall they kept a super amateur look for years, long after most sites had developed away from that - I don't think it was delibrate but through lack of resources to change it. That site converted and sold better when it had it's more amateur look, and when they did eventually change (and came up with the utterly stupid name 'Transational Fantasies' and a slicker look, they didn't seem to appeal as well.

There is absolutely a sinergy between fan sites and sites like ours. If a guy see's a model (let's say Domino) on our sites, and wants more, then he goes to her OF account looking for more personal content. If OF had an affiliate program we'd push them more. However, once he's seen enough of Domino on her OF, or looking to broaden for different types of models, they come back to the paysites.

I have heard some companies complaining of OF eating into their sales - we've just had one of the best years in our history, and other paysites whom I know the owners (non-trans) who provide what buyers want (great content, good customer service) are reporting the same.

[GroobySteven]

I'm trying to understand why some models expects me to pay a premium price compared to sites like evil angel, grooby, transangels etc when their work is subpar. You get these models who are more worried about how they look on camera such as keep staring at the camera l, low battery smoke detector in the background and filming with a phone with bad quality. That's why you need directors. If you are charging 15 and below ok that's understandable but don't expect me to pay 39.99 for such bad content. Not all models do this I'm only saying some.

Agreed. Very short sighted.
I think $15 is about the prime point for an OF account showing mostly self-shot content.
If a model shoots with other models, and has camera people to pay then they would need to charge more.

[ceejay100]

Not one size fits all.

Some people like the more professionally produced porn, others like the amateur stuff. I for one, cannot watch the TransAngels content - it's too ridiculous for me to imagine myself there, on a space ship, or a driving center, etc. and end up hooking up with a hot trans girl. It's so unreaslitic in both the setup, but also the brightly lit, oversaturated content. But I do respect them for their craft, the content looks fanatastic and they spend a lot of time on it, and for those who like it, I completely get it, it's just my personal choice.
Transfixed is also something I don't get, I don't know who they make it for, it's shot on high budget like a film, and some of the scenes are sexy but utlimately they don't turn me on - but for those who like story driven porn ...
I don't like Christian's stuff, I find it too formulaic but he does well and has a strong following, and the majority of the Brazilian Transsexuals stuff that Damazo makes, doesn't turn me on either.
But all those companies are working, and appeal to different people.

OnlyFans main goal is to get the end-user buying into being closer to the model. I'm not looking for well-lit high quality porn there, I'm looking for someone who is ultra-horny and shooting in their bedroom, while their roomates have no idea what they're doing, or a girl who has a fetish or kink and shows it off, or upskirt outside, open leg in a library, hooking up with a guy/girl and filming it. A girl competing with herself to get the bigger dildo in. I think some of that is super-horny and appeals to me. I completely understand why it doesn't appeal to everyone. At Grooby, I've driven the company to go somewhere in between the ultra pro and the amateur, where we do try to get technically right, but not make it unrealisitc as that's the porn I like. Working with different girls, having a very light hand on retouching, shooting in hotels, beds, sofas, kitchens, etc. keeping it authentic.

Those of you who remember Shemale Strokers, will recall they kept a super amateur look for years, long after most sites had developed away from that - I don't think it was delibrate but through lack of resources to change it. That site converted and sold better when it had it's more amateur look, and when they did eventually change (and came up with the utterly stupid name 'Transational Fantasies' and a slicker look, they didn't seem to appeal as well.

There is absolutely a sinergy between fan sites and sites like ours. If a guy see's a model (let's say Domino) on our sites, and wants more, then he goes to her OF account looking for more personal content. If OF had an affiliate program we'd push them more. However, once he's seen enough of Domino on her OF, or looking to broaden for different types of models, they come back to the paysites.

I have heard some companies complaining of OF eating into their sales - we've just had one of the best years in our history, and other paysites whom I know the owners (non-trans) who provide what buyers want (great content, good customer service) are reporting the same.

As usual, a very insightful response from Steven and honest too, with the statement that he doesn't get turned on by the majority content on one of his own sites, even though it is doing well.

I have spent a few pounds looking at various OF accounts and have been quite pleased with most of what I've seen although I've never subscribed to any charging more than $25 pm. It's not professional shooting but the eroticism can exceed (for me at least) some pf the professionally produced stuff. I also get to see girls 'in the wild' rather than the sometimes sterile environment of the film set.

[GroobySteven]

As usual, a very insightful response from Steven and honest too, with the statement that he doesn't get turned on by the majority content on one of his own sites, even though it is doing well.


BTW main reason I don't care for the Brazilian content, is that the majority of the S.American girls just aren't my type.

[Dom Damazo]

I won't debate you here - absolutely no argument from me.
But there are some decent OF sites out there of just solo scenes and good quality video.

Some debates are pretty constructive, not always a fight. I gave a point about things i see happening that are conected with this topic and wanna give my contribution, nothing personal and yes, i expect few feedbacks...positive or not. I m totally fair play about change ideas

And yes, i know some OF channels have good stuff but not many

[Dom Damazo]

BTW main reason I don't care for the Brazilian content, is that the majority of the S.American girls just aren't my type.

Same for me about Thai TS and so many americans too but as Steven says, its just a question of taste. Not my type

[Dom Damazo]

I hired a cinematographer/director of principal photography and a screenwriter for my OF videos

Some models do it and it makes video much better but mostly wanna save money then put a celphone in a suport and makes footage as Steven describe in past POLISHOP APPROACH . actors dont know if are in correct position and many times u ll get very poor video showing nothing about sex

[lexer]

I agree with the firs post, for a mistake I've clicked on dislike button. I think pay for OF is a waste of time for the same reasons and who thins that with OF is possible establish a connection with the model is crazy because all models are interested only in money not to establish an emotional connection with their clients.
For GroobySteven, is a respectable opinion but the most beautiful tgirls scenes for me are scenes with Brazilian models ;)

[Dom Damazo]

i agree with the firs post, for a mistake i've clicked on dislike button. I think pay for of is a waste of time for the same reasons and who thins that with of is possible establish a connection with the model is crazy because all models are interested only in money not to establish an emotional connection with their clients.
For groobysteven, is a respectable opinion but the most beautiful tgirls scenes for me are scenes with brazilian models ;)

my man !!!!

[Dom Damazo]

I agree with the firs post, for a mistake I've clicked on dislike button. I think pay for OF is a waste of time for the same reasons and who thins that with OF is possible establish a connection with the model is crazy because all models are interested only in money not to establish an emotional connection with their clients.
For GroobySteven, is a respectable opinion but the most beautiful tgirls scenes for me are scenes with Brazilian models ;)

Now 4 serious - Steven just express his own taste, he have right do it as everyone here. I DID IT proving my point and its not prejudice or xenophobe, its about style of TS that turn us ON. I know south americans are very popular but some people dont feel atraction for them. Thats only it

Another thing - i hate posts start with one purpose with specific direction and for nothing all changes completaly the inicial subject. It creates confusion and many times some unnecessary and poinless fights.

I suggest we continue this post talking about OF quality footage and not about Who likes Asians or north americans or south americans or some other ethnicity

I dont think i m asking something too complicated

[jaydillah69]

I really do hate either the fixed camera from a shitty angle or the scenes shot from the t-girl's POV like I have any interest in imagining myself fucking a hairy dude.

[christianxxx]

you don't pay for girls OF because of the content - you pay for the interactions with them. The content is always going to be poorly lit shot and filmed. That's not the point, you join their OF to get a glimpse and insight into their real lives OFF camera. And I know that now more and more fans realize that the girls aren't actually the ones talking to them in the private messages...but STILL that's the theory and the idea of course.

[Dudedude12345]

I usually pay for quality, I don't pay for interactions because I'm not interested in being parasocial. They're not my friends so I don't really care about their private lives.

[Icandigit]

you don't pay for girls OF because of the content - you pay for the interactions with them. The content is always going to be poorly lit shot and filmed. That's not the point, you join their OF to get a glimpse and insight into their real lives OFF camera. And I know that now more and more fans realize that the girls aren't actually the ones talking to them in the private messages...but STILL that's the theory and the idea of course.

That's true but Venus Lux was actually nice enough to send me a voice text when I asked about her whereabouts in the industry so that was pretty cool of her to do that. She didn't have to.