What's with All the Thread Deletions?

[Fitzcarraldo]

Logged on this morning and saw this:
1406728

What's going on?

[bimale69]

I was wondering wtf was going on myself.

[GroobySteven]

Logged on this morning and saw this:
1406728

What's going on?

Housekeeping and swept out the dust.

I logged in and saw dozens of threads, updated by the same 3 users who seem to use this place as their private file locker, while negating the more important threads. I've been over this before. The purpose of this forum is discussion, help, and some pertinent images where appropriate. It's not an image collection site.

If anyone has a complaint, I'll refund your money for what you pay for this site.

[bassman2546]

That's too bad. I enjoyed regular viewing and, occasionally contributing to many of these. Any chance the entries can be deleted entirely so we're not scrolling through all the popular threads you deleted?

[winter59]

prohibiting is not nice

[diddyboponTOP]

I figured it was taking care of threads that keep popping up even though the same topic has had said thread it threads for years, and things along that line. one thing about this site love it or hate it, it's run, and organized very very well.

[njjohn]

Housekeeping and swept out the dust.

I logged in and saw dozens of threads, updated by the same 3 users who seem to use this place as their private file locker, while negating the more important threads. I've been over this before. The purpose of this forum is discussion, help, and some pertinent images where appropriate. It's not an image collection site.

If anyone has a complaint, I'll refund your money for what you pay for this site.

Some contained unique content notably Muscle Girls and Cartoon Shemales. I agree Muscle Girls was over posted but Cartoon Shambles was only once a week or so.

[Fitzcarraldo]

That's too bad. I enjoyed regular viewing and, occasionally contributing to many of these. Any chance the entries can be deleted entirely so we're not scrolling through all the popular threads you deleted?

How do you scroll through a deleted thread? If you're asking about deleting the titles from the main page, they'll drop off it as soon as people post in other topics.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Housekeeping and swept out the dust.

I logged in and saw dozens of threads, updated by the same 3 users who seem to use this place as their private file locker, while negating the more important threads. I've been over this before. The purpose of this forum is discussion, help, and some pertinent images where appropriate. It's not an image collection site.


Why not just ban the 3 users?

[tight]

Looks like all the good threads are gone, i'm outta here

[winter59]

W the freedom

[GroobySteven]

Looks like all the good threads are gone, i'm outta here

Thanks for the 14 contributions over 20 years. Don't let the door hit your ego on the way out.

[GroobySteven]

W the freedom

What freedom are you talking about?

[SabrinaDubh]

I thought the post op thread was fantastic. :(

[GroobySteven]

I thought the post op thread was fantastic. :(

Two comments in 11 years? Wow. Glad I was able to pull you out of your hole.

[Suck My Cock]

Logged on this morning and saw this:
1406728

What's going on?

Seems like it is hacked. No moderator or owner will shoot his/her own feet. If the traffic is lost, they will get nothing for their ads. But anyway, who gives a f***, there are hundreds of other sites.

[GroobySteven]

Seems like it is hacked. No moderator or owner will shoot his/her own feet. If the traffic is lost, they will get nothing for their ads. But anyway, who gives a f***, there are hundreds of other sites.

Thanks for your 3 post contribution. Enjoy the hundreds of other sites.

[zaphod]

Start new threads with a subject you like!!!!!!

[slutparadise]

Congrats on letting your ego ruin the main content worth visiting this forum.

[slutparadise]

Discard the ego part, despite the arrogant replies I read about the dmca issues in another thread. Still this seems like the schoolbook example of how tumblr "changed for the better".

[Bandomar]

Yup..looks like the site pretty much got butchered. Was a pretty decent site..now, not so much. Yeah yeah I know, few comments, ego..blah blah. Bluff and bluster. Fact is still the same..good content got fucked over. So, we'll see where "ego" leads.

[setterman]

I think all the "thanks for your x posts in x years" comments are unnecessarily snarky. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that, while we may not have anything useful to contribute ourselves, we still enjoy reading other peoples' comments and viewpoints.

[sd123223]

The 'Bulges and Filled Underwear' Thread I have been following since 2004 when I started perusing this site.
A big void in my life now exists 😂

[scroller]

Aw, that's too bad, some of my favorite threads were in there.

[Anon1234]

Dude's just mad that people like free porn. Boohoo.

[TheGreatestLiar]

My theory is that Russian hackers hijacked the site, and when Grooby refused the ransomware demand, they deleted the content. Or perhaps it was the Iranian Quds force, enforcing shariah laws.

[Stavros]

The 'Bulges and Filled Underwear' Thread I have been following since 2004 when I started perusing this site.
A big void in my life now exists 

Ask yourself, where did the content in that thread come from? If you like it so much, trawl the web for the photos that gave you so much pleasure, and don't rely on other people to do the research. You made it to HungAngels, I think you can find what you want on other websites.

[MrFanti]

FWIW...
I really don't have any issues at all with the thread deletions.

It's a free site and all maintenance fees are absorbed by Grooby - which means they are the boss at the end.
One is also FREE to choose whether to stay or go.

[Fiji]

What exactly was the criteria for deleting some threads but not others? 'Visible bulges in social clothing' is still operational but "Shemales in Dresses" was deleted, curious as to what the difference is

[Suck My Cock]

Thanks for your 3 post contribution. Enjoy the hundreds of other sites.

Well, mot********* I had over a hundred just after registering four months back. So, don't provide those bullshit numbers. And yes, I and many others will look at other sites. Go and F*** yourself.
And for the record, you may ban me, I don't care. But just as a challenge, ban me, keep this post, I will post one last time to prove, how weak your security is. Bye bye.

[Superrage]

Thats the problem: other sites suck. Here most images were on topic, up to date, or rare pics. Go to imagefap, or something like it, and its just random junk thrown into a folder. It could be anything from feet to hentai even if the folder is labeled "hot trans woman." Too many sites were like that.

[GroobySteven]

Discard the ego part, despite the arrogant replies I read about the dmca issues in another thread. Still this seems like the schoolbook example of how tumblr "changed for the better".

What exactly have you ever brought to this forum?
Zero contribution = fuck off.

BTW - if it was an 'ego thing' on my part, then I'd be leaving all that stolen/free content there, on servers I pay for, for people I care nothing about and who don't even buy or contribute porn, to laud me with their worthlessness. Fuck off and find it elsewhere, clown.

[GroobySteven]

Yup..looks like the site pretty much got butchered. Was a pretty decent site..now, not so much. Yeah yeah I know, few comments, ego..blah blah. Bluff and bluster. Fact is still the same..good content got fucked over. So, we'll see where "ego" leads.

One post a year including this. Bless.

[GroobySteven]

I think all the "thanks for your x posts in x years" comments are unnecessarily snarky. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that, while we may not have anything useful to contribute ourselves, we still enjoy reading other peoples' comments and viewpoints.

At least you've contributed. Snarky yes, warranted yes also. They're bottom feeders, they bring nothing.

[GroobySteven]

Dude's just mad that people like free porn. Boohoo.

Thanks for your one post.

Not mad, just un-necessary to make this place people's free porn stop when they contribute nothing back in. Sorry to make you cry.

[GroobySteven]

My theory is that Russian hackers hijacked the site, and when Grooby refused the ransomware demand, they deleted the content. Or perhaps it was the Iranian Quds force, enforcing shariah laws.

Take the most obvious and clear reasons, then twist them into some fantasy to support your wee mind.

[GroobySteven]

Well, mot********* I had over a hundred just after registering four months back. So, don't provide those bullshit numbers. And yes, I and many others will look at other sites. Go and F*** yourself.
And for the record, you may ban me, I don't care. But just as a challenge, ban me, keep this post, I will post one last time to prove, how weak your security is. Bye bye.

Security for what? So someone can break into a free forum, and look at free content?
Clown.
But thanks for amusing me this morning. Cry elsewhere,

[GroobySteven]

What exactly was the criteria for deleting some threads but not others? 'Visible bulges in social clothing' is still operational but "Shemales in Dresses" was deleted, curious as to what the difference is

I thought that one sounded pretty relevant and more what this forum should be like - and not just 120 different threads of 'shemales in...' dresses/stockings/glasses/uniforms/pools/etc

[GroobySteven]

Thats the problem: other sites suck. Here most images were on topic, up to date, or rare pics. Go to imagefap, or something like it, and its just random junk thrown into a folder. It could be anything from feet to hentai even if the folder is labeled "hot trans woman." Too many sites were like that.

You get what you pay for.

[sd123223]

Ask yourself, where did the content in that thread come from? If you like it so much, trawl the web for the photos that gave you so much pleasure, and don't rely on other people to do the research. You made it to HungAngels, I think you can find what you want on other websites.
Detecting sarcasm or understanding what the laughing emoji means doesn't seem to be your strong suit Stavros.
I am mostly here for BostonBad's posts. Plenty of free porn out there, honestly I like the Ask Christian thread and other topical type threads, My days of whacking to pics are long gone and I never joined this forum for that purpose.

[Castor_Troy05]

Thats the problem: other sites suck. Here most images were on topic, up to date, or rare pics. Go to imagefap, or something like it, and it's just random junk thrown into a folder. It could be anything from feet to hentai even if the folder is labeled "hot trans woman." Too many sites were like that.
Well it's a Grooby Forum and they have plenty of paid sites with incredibly high quality content that you could avail of if you had any actual desire to appreciate the content

[Fitzcarraldo]

It's just strange how all those topics were acceptable for years, but suddenly they were deleted entirely, apparently due to abuses by three users.

Oh well.

[GroobySteven]

It's just strange how all those topics were acceptable for years, but suddenly they were deleted entirely, apparently due to abuses by three users.

Oh well.

Constant abuses.
I've removed and blocked over the years - and given warnings.
The fact is, when I come onto the forum and see two pages of nothing but image updates, then I'm going to remove them. This isn't want this site is for - it's almost all stolen content, and if you want that, look elsewhere.

[StaceyLynn]

I am sorry the post op thread was deleted. I used it to see who had good surgical results because the surgeons only show you their best results. This is a major decision and I don't want to get a messed up result because there are no re-dos.

[GroobySteven]

I am sorry the post op thread was deleted. I used it to see who had good surgical results because the surgeons only show you their best results. This is a major decision and I don't want to get a messed up result because there are no re-dos.

TgirlPostop.com has very good photos of all the stars and their surgery, and often mentioned who by.

[StaceyLynn]

Thank you. I was unaware of that site.

[Suck My Cock]

Security for what? So someone can break into a free forum, and look at free content?
Clown.
But thanks for amusing me this morning. Cry elsewhere,

Lol. I don't feed my family by pimping. This site is your bread and butter, not mine. Good luck with future ads.

[GroobySteven]

Lol. I don't feed my family by pimping. This site is your bread and butter, not mine. Good luck with future ads.

Bless.
Still crying. You just can't stay away.

This site is far from our bread and butter, it's barely even crumbs in 2022 the way the internet and adult business has changed - the cost of keeping it running dollar for dollar, means it's a loss. But it has it's uses in other ways - and it's returned what we paid for it 10x over in the noughties.

[christianxxx]

I'd like him banned just so I don't have to see that brutal cock avatar anymore....

[fab]

I am sorry the post op thread was deleted. I used it to see who had good surgical results because the surgeons only show you their best results. This is a major decision and I don't want to get a messed up result because there are no re-dos.

I'm really sad that this thread is gone.

[fab]

You shouldn't have constant abuse.
You could have warned us subscribers and we could have added content.
It's your prerogative, since it's your site, however if it was costing you, you could have asked for a minimum subscription of a dollar a month or something along those lines.
Anyway, sir. Thank you for this forum and the years you have kept it going. I really appreciated.

[filghy2]

This seems like a very blunt instrument approach to the stated problem of a few members consistently posting too many images. The problem with wholesale thread deletion is that you are basically punishing all those who followed the rules along with those who didn't - sending a message that even if people follow the rules their posts may be deleted arbitrarily. The rules that were outlined a couple of years ago were very useful to provide clarity about what was allowed, but now we seem to have less clarity.

I still don't understand why the solution would not be to permanently ban those who persist in ignoring the rules. If they come back under another user name they can be banned if they do the same again. Also, is it possible to just restrict the number of images that members can post?

I understand that sharing of porn was not the intended purpose of this forum, but I doubt that getting rid of the porn will result in more discussion. Like it or not, most of us are here because of sexual interest in trans. Some percentage of the people who come for the porn will also participate in discussions that catch their interest. Without those people you will probably not have a critical mass and end up with the same few posters who like to pontificate.

[tsloverts99]

I think all the "thanks for your x posts in x years" comments are unnecessarily snarky. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that, while we may not have anything useful to contribute ourselves, we still enjoy reading other peoples' comments and viewpoints.

It was snarky, I agree. It only took him more than 15 years to follow through with his rules. comments saying, 2 post in 11 years, wow ego check. haha this can come right back at him for trying to dish out "rules" that he has neglected for over a decade.

"Housekeeping and swept out the dust.

I logged in and saw dozens of threads, updated by the same 3 users who seem to use this place as their private file locker, while negating the more important threads. I've been over this before. The purpose of this forum is discussion, help, and some pertinent images where appropriate. It's not an image collection site"

logged in clearly shows, he has not been on the site in probably a decade himself. dozens of threads, haha. well it is or was a forum. It's kind of just funny now.

[tsloverts99]

What exactly have you ever brought to this forum?
Zero contribution = fuck off.

BTW - if it was an 'ego thing' on my part, then I'd be leaving all that stolen/free content there, on servers I pay for, for people I care nothing about and who don't even buy or contribute porn, to laud me with their worthlessness. Fuck off and find it elsewhere, clown.

Here's a fix for your ego.. Then don't make the site free. Want to talk shit to us for not posting and bitch about pricing. It is an easy fix to make the site not accessible to nonsubscribers, but then you would lose the content too. I don't really care. I'm just here to troll you. A single post made you mad. I mean by the 2nd initial post and you lost your mind, little timid ego.. ha ha ha

[Mindfuck]

TgirlPostop.com has very good photos of all the stars and their surgery, and often mentioned who by.

I am suscriber of TgirlPostop.com. A total of 53 models are listed there, I wouldn´t say that these are all the stars. Keyplayers like Danielle Foxxx or Kimber James are missing - for example. The Post-op-thread on HA was always a nice addition. Sad that it was deleted now.

[GroobySteven]

You shouldn't have constant abuse.
You could have warned us subscribers and we could have added content.
It's your prerogative, since it's your site, however if it was costing you, you could have asked for a minimum subscription of a dollar a month or something along those lines.
Anyway, sir. Thank you for this forum and the years you have kept it going. I really appreciated.


People don't pay for porn, why would they pay $1 for this site? Why give away GB's of free porn for nothing?
I'm happy with people posting images to illustate a point, or to show something great but when the site becomes nothing more than a recepticle for free porn, and huge threads updating daily of (stolen) content, then that's not what I want it to be.

[GroobySteven]

This seems like a very blunt instrument approach to the stated problem of a few members consistently posting too many images. The problem with wholesale thread deletion is that you are basically punishing all those who followed the rules along with those who didn't - sending a message that even if people follow the rules their posts may be deleted arbitrarily. The rules that were outlined a couple of years ago were very useful to provide clarity about what was allowed, but now we seem to have less clarity.

I still don't understand why the solution would not be to permanently ban those who persist in ignoring the rules. If they come back under another user name they can be banned if they do the same again. Also, is it possible to just restrict the number of images that members can post?

I understand that sharing of porn was not the intended purpose of this forum, but I doubt that getting rid of the porn will result in more discussion. Like it or not, most of us are here because of sexual interest in trans. Some percentage of the people who come for the porn will also participate in discussions that catch their interest. Without those people you will probably not have a critical mass and end up with the same few posters who like to pontificate.

Those threads support the fact that anyone (it could be 100 members not just a handful) are coming on here, and just posting content in the same mega-threads. I appreciate and understand why people loved those threads, but when it becomes the soul of the site and raison d'être for it's existance, then I've got no reason to keep it open and can just shutter it's doors, and redirect everything to grooby.com or groobygirls.com.

As stated, I'm happy with people using content to illustate their posts, or make a point - but this isn't the place to be a free (stolen) porn collection site.

[GroobySteven]

It was snarky, I agree. It only took him more than 15 years to follow through with his rules. comments saying, 2 post in 11 years, wow ego check. haha this can come right back at him for trying to dish out "rules" that he has neglected for over a decade.

"Housekeeping and swept out the dust.

I logged in and saw dozens of threads, updated by the same 3 users who seem to use this place as their private file locker, while negating the more important threads. I've been over this before. The purpose of this forum is discussion, help, and some pertinent images where appropriate. It's not an image collection site"

logged in clearly shows, he has not been on the site in probably a decade himself. dozens of threads, haha. well it is or was a forum. It's kind of just funny now.


LOL. The gift that keeps on giving. Nothing better to make my morning shine, like seeing another true idiot putting his foot in his mouth and making himself to be the fool he is.

There was a new rules post from last year (or 2020) - it's been sticky at the top of the page for that time, and I just unstickied it in the last few days. COCK WOMBLE
I check this forum daily. Rod knows that, as do the other regular POSTERS - as I delete spam, I delete link and I delete transphobic comments or attacks. If this forum was left to run itself it would be 99% Russian or Indian pharmacy ads, spam from unrelated companies and attacks on your likes. ARSE

How does 'logged in' clear show I've not been on the site in a decade? I get up each day and login. BELLEND


You're the joke here. Time for you to move and take you sad sack elsewhere.

[GroobySteven]

Here's a fix for your ego.. Then don't make the site free. Want to talk shit to us for not posting and bitch about pricing. It is an easy fix to make the site not accessible to nonsubscribers, but then you would lose the content too. I don't really care. I'm just here to troll you. A single post made you mad. I mean by the 2nd initial post and you lost your mind, little timid ego.. ha ha ha


And you double down. Two posts in 5 years - did you stop to jerk off on how clever you were?
The site is free. I don't talk shit to you, I respond to your idiotic comments - don't say things, if you cry when you get an actual response.

You're here to troll me? Awesome. How's that work out for you? Talk about egos!

[transeeker]

Nobody should be surprised by this move. Anyone who felt that this forum was about some kind of brotherhood is deluding themselves. Grooby is first and foremost a businessman. This site maybe free to join - but it serves as a loss leader launchpad for all the products that he publishes on the internet - and the best part is, he barely has to lift a finger because it's the members who post most of the material (albeit taken from his very sites - although interestingly, he also deleted a chaturbate-related thread - suggesting an active rejection of competition).

He has previously made it clear in certain posts that his only concern is money - and this time he he has driven the message home defintively lest there should remain any doubters. The newsflash is that there is no such thing as a free dinner!

[GroobySteven]

Nobody should be surprised by this move. Anyone who felt that this forum was about some kind of brotherhood is deluding themselves. Grooby is first and foremost a businessman. This site maybe free to join - but it serves as a loss leader launchpad for all the products that he publishes on the internet - and the best part is, he barely has to lift a finger because it's the members who post most of the material (albeit taken from his very sites - although interestingly, he also deleted a chaturbate-related thread - suggesting an active rejection of competition).

He has previously made it clear in certain posts that his only concern is money - and this time he he has driven the message home defintively lest there should remain any doubters. The newsflash is that there is no such thing as a free dinner!

A little close - but certainly no cigar.

My only concern certainly is not money. If that was so, I would have ceased production, fired everyone - and milked the sites for all they were worth which would give me a rather handsome personal payout.
I also wouldn't be spending so much money and resources running the Trans Erotica Awards, or the Fallen Angels site, or my voluntary time on the FSC Board, or helping give so many aspiring industry or models advice and trying to platform them. I would certainly have closed some of the sites that just break even (but keep models and staff employed).

You're getting a free dinner here but it's meat and potatoes. If you want something a little elevated, be prepared to spend a wee bit money back into the industry.

[filghy2]

Those threads support the fact that anyone (it could be 100 members not just a handful) are coming on here, and just posting content in the same mega-threads. I appreciate and understand why people loved those threads, but when it becomes the soul of the site and raison d'être for it's existance, then I've got no reason to keep it open and can just shutter it's doors, and redirect everything to grooby.com or groobygirls.com.

As stated, I'm happy with people using content to illustate their posts, or make a point - but this isn't the place to be a free (stolen) porn collection site.

I'm still puzzled as to why you suddenly decided to crack down on what you seemed to be condoning previously. This is what you said in your 'Reminder of the rules' post two years ago:

4. You can show up to 12 images from any one scene. No more on subsequent posts. No cum shots. Images may not be cropped and must have original logos. These should be uploaded only to this site.

I've been away from the site for the past few weeks, so I might have missed something that led up to the great thread massacre, but my recollection is that posts in the deleted threads were largely within these rules. If so, the unanswered question is what rules will be applied going forward.

I would have thought that the money in porn these days comes largely from video clips rather than images. A lot of images are put in the public domain by the content creator themselves for promo purposes. My impression is that the great majority of images posted here fall into that category. If there was a serious problem with pirated images it seems puzzling that it wasn't addressed before.

[MrFanti]

Not sure why folks are arguing/discussing this.
It's a one way discussion.

I'll be the first to admit I've posted a TON of pictures here - but I've also added discussion and general information posts as well.

No one is paying a dime here......Grooby sets the rules, one is free to stay or go.

[diddyboponTOP]

I'm still puzzled as to why you suddenly decided to crack down on what you seemed to be condoning previously. This is what you said in your 'Reminder of the rules' post two years ago:

4. You can show up to 12 images from any one scene. No more on subsequent posts. No cum shots. Images may not be cropped and must have original logos. These should be uploaded only to this site.

I've been away from the site for the past few weeks, so I might have missed something that led up to the great thread massacre, but my recollection is that posts in the deleted threads were largely within these rules. If so, the unanswered question is what rules will be applied going forward.

I would have thought that the money in porn these days comes largely from video clips rather than images. A lot of images are put in the public domain by the content creator themselves for promo purposes. My impression is that the great majority of images posted here fall into that category. If there was a serious problem with pirated images it seems puzzling that it wasn't addressed before.

They don't realize it's 2022 and free xxx is all over the web.
Rappers who made hundreds of millions off of Albums like Eminem, Jay Z, Nas, etc, this whole new generation all time their albums away for free now the day it drops on YouTube because they know it's all already free on the web and have found other ways to generate income like touring and merch again pod casts etc. It's been about 20 years since I have paid 1 cent on xxx and I have seen every seen I have wanted to see since as mostly everyone else. You have to move with the time, I'm from Queens even the Cosa Nostra changed its whole M.O

[GroobySteven]

I'm still puzzled as to why you suddenly decided to crack down on what you seemed to be condoning previously. This is what you said in your 'Reminder of the rules' post two years ago:

4. You can show up to 12 images from any one scene. No more on subsequent posts. No cum shots. Images may not be cropped and must have original logos. These should be uploaded only to this site.

I've been away from the site for the past few weeks, so I might have missed something that led up to the great thread massacre, but my recollection is that posts in the deleted threads were largely within these rules. If so, the unanswered question is what rules will be applied going forward.

I would have thought that the money in porn these days comes largely from video clips rather than images. A lot of images are put in the public domain by the content creator themselves for promo purposes. My impression is that the great majority of images posted here fall into that category. If there was a serious problem with pirated images it seems puzzling that it wasn't addressed before.

Address this already. Came on site, two pages of nothing but image threads. Neeeded to go.
Things change.

No images are 'public domain' from porn sites that's a fallacy. Sites do show some images for marketing, but the intention is not for them to be built into large image libraries, which become sites within themselves giving it away for free, and thus negating the marketing purposes.

[GroobySteven]

They don't realize it's 2022 and free xxx is all over the web.
Rappers who made hundreds of millions off of Albums like Eminem, Jay Z, Nas, etc, this whole new generation all time their albums away for free now the day it drops on YouTube because they know it's all already free on the web and have found other ways to generate income like touring and merch again pod casts etc. It's been about 20 years since I have paid 1 cent on xxx and I have seen every seen I have wanted to see since as mostly everyone else. You have to move with the time, I'm from Queens even the Cosa Nostra changed its whole M.O


It's not free all over, for everyone - and we spend a lot of money on anti-piracy which we've had some excellent success with.
Adult sites don't have the ability to 'play live' and make money from touring and over-priced tshirts, and even then a lot of music makes some revenue from the online streaming models (all of which are paid for) and in some ways this has been replicated by premium tube sites (Faphouse etc.) where a user pays a monthly membership which is then shared amongst the creators they listen to (or for adult - view).

You must be very proud of yourself having contributed absolutely nothing to our industry, while happily enjoying the content. Luckily for you, there are plenty of people who understand that in order for companies like ours to continue to produce this amount of new content, we have to pay to models and producers to make that content, and without them buying, it just wouldn't happen. We do change with the times which is why we continue to have a modicum of success and are able to continue to produce, paying hundreds of thousands back into trans women, and production. Changing with the times, also includes deleting all those threads that weren't helping anyone other than people like you.

You're only tolerated here, because you actually contribute to the forum, thus at least bringing some worth to it.

[mtbazz]

A little close - but certainly no cigar.

My only concern certainly is not money. If that was so, I would have ceased production, fired everyone - and milked the sites for all they were worth which would give me a rather handsome personal payout.
I also wouldn't be spending so much money and resources running the Trans Erotica Awards, or the Fallen Angels site, or my voluntary time on the FSC Board, or helping give so many aspiring industry or models advice and trying to platform them. I would certainly have closed some of the sites that just break even (but keep models and staff employed).

You're getting a free dinner here but it's meat and potatoes. If you want something a little elevated, be prepared to spend a wee bit money back into the industry.


Wow...

It's your website, so your rules, but many of those threads had great photos that are now gone forever and it was great that they were all categorized and could be browsed by subject.

I was always under the impression that this forum was first and foremost a forum for trans people and people into trans women, and the images that were in those threads were a huge part of that. In other words..a porn site.

Some of those images led me to other sites (grooby and non-grooby) where I happily paid membership fees to see more content.

Given the thread deletions, the fact that some of the more recent topics are more of a " woke " nature, I am betting you will be seeing a lot less traffic. The fact (like it or not) is that most of us were coming here for those images and this forum quite possibly had the best source of trans images available anywhere.

Before someone pounces on me for the comment on the " woke " threads, I totally understand all that and respect it, and do support it in real life, but that doesn't mean I want to see it or read about it every time I visit this forum.

I hope you reconsider your decision and have backups to reload those threads from should you change your mind about this.

I'd also happily pay a membership fee if it means bringing all those great threads back...

[GroobySteven]

Wow...

It's your website, so your rules, but many of those threads had great photos that are now gone forever and it was great that they were all categorized and could be browsed by subject.

I was always under the impression that this forum was first and foremost a forum for trans people and people into trans women, and the images that were in those threads were a huge part of that. In other words..a porn site.

Some of those images led me to other sites (grooby and non-grooby) where I happily paid membership fees to see more content.

Given the thread deletions, the fact that some of the more recent topics are more of a " woke " nature, I am betting you will be seeing a lot less traffic. The fact (like it or not) is that most of us were coming here for those images and this forum quite possibly had the best source of trans images available anywhere.

Before someone pounces on me for the comment on the " woke " threads, I totally understand all that and respect it, and do support it in real life, but that doesn't mean I want to see it or read about it every time I visit this forum.

I hope you reconsider your decision and have backups to reload those threads from should you change your mind about this.

I'd also happily pay a membership fee if it means bringing all those great threads back...

That's the point though, it's not a pay site or a porn site for images - and charging membership fee to see images we don't own is a problem in it's own right.

Sincerely, when did you last pay for one of our sites?

[mtbazz]

That's the point though, it's not a pay site or a porn site for images - and charging membership fee to see images we don't own is a problem in it's own right.

Sincerely, when did you last pay for one of our sites?

last grooby subscription I had was earlier this year..without checking to be sure I think it was blacktgirls...I let it slide when some of my credit cards got compromised and for a few other reasons that aren't relevant here.

I am curious now though. You say it's not a porn site for images, yet I've been here since 2004 and it's always been a porn site with/for images...thats what? 18 years of hosting porn images...

Why end it all now? Like I said, your website/your rules and I respect that thinking, but this seems like drastic action...

It'll be interesting to see what becomes of this place. The images are what brought a lot of people here, and like I said before, while I understand/appreciate/support in real life the " woke topics " that are being posted, only a small handful of members are really interested in participating in those kinds of conversations...Just being realistic about that.

[Laphroaig]

Well, mot********* I had over a hundred just after registering four months back. So, don't provide those bullshit numbers. And yes, I and many others will look at other sites. Go and F*** yourself.
And for the record, you may ban me, I don't care. But just as a challenge, ban me, keep this post, I will post one last time to prove, how weak your security is. Bye bye.

Over a 100 posts, really?

My post count number hasn't changed since all the threads have been deleted and I must have had a few hundred in amongst them. Nor did it change when the escorting section was removed, which probably accounted for over half of my posts on here. Your post count reads 5, methinks you're telling porkies...

[Laphroaig]

Not sure why folks are arguing/discussing this.
It's a one way discussion.

I'll be the first to admit I've posted a TON of pictures here - but I've also added discussion and general information posts as well.

No one is paying a dime here......Grooby sets the rules, one is free to stay or go.

:iagree:

[Luke Warm]

It costs Grooby money to host images on a server. If there's a huge number of images that are not directly related to Grooby, I can understand why they are tired of paying for this, after years and years.

Maybe if you see an image you like, "open in new window" and download it. Host it on your own computer. Don't expect it to be available here forever.

I can understand why older threads would get deleted, if Grooby wants this to be an up-to-date resource, and not a museum of vintage pics.

[filghy2]

Address this already. Came on site, two pages of nothing but image threads. Neeeded to go.
Things change.

No images are 'public domain' from porn sites that's a fallacy. Sites do show some images for marketing, but the intention is not for them to be built into large image libraries, which become sites within themselves giving it away for free, and thus negating the marketing purposes.

Are you saying the previous rules are now superceded? If so, what are the rules now?

On your second point, what is the status of this site https://shemalestardb.com/? I've always assumed it was legal, especially as people often post links to it here and no action is taken.

[filghy2]

Not sure why folks are arguing/discussing this.
It's a one way discussion.

I'll be the first to admit I've posted a TON of pictures here - but I've also added discussion and general information posts as well.

No one is paying a dime here......Grooby sets the rules, one is free to stay or go.

You are missing the point. I'm happy for Grooby to set the rules as long as they are clearly stated and applied consistently. I just don't think we have that in this instance.

As far as I can work out, Steven just decided to set aside his previously-stated rules because he was unhappy with the amount of images being posted, even if they were not actually breaching the rules. The reason I keep pursuing this is that he doesn't seem willing to clarify what the rules are now. If it all depends on the whims of the owner that is the opposite of having rules.

[Voices]

The thing is, all those ads you see on the side and top of the page come from how much traffic comes to the site, not how many post counts someone has.

There isn't a thing that Grooby puts out that cant be had for free on the internet. Not a single thing and cutting a thread or two off of this place isn't going to change that. There's all kinds of sites and forums that daily put out new free porn. Not just TS stuff. Any perverted shit you can think of. Google is happy to help you find it because porn is the number one thing that made the internet spread across the world. Let's not pretend that there isn't a bigger agenda going on here. There's a reason why a TS will show up on Pornhub when you're looking up lesbians. They know when you're getting bored of something and want to fuck your life up a little bit more.

It amazes me that a porn producer is cutting out threads in a forum, that wouldn't have a single person here, if it never had free porn to begin with.

Does anyone honestly think that any person that came here in the first place, (other than transsexuals themselves) did so to discuss transsexual issues? Seriously? Especially when you have a gif of a ts getting fucked on the side of the page from GroobyVR, right now?

The whole porn thing is getting boring as fuck anyway.

I barely come by this place anymore but I can see why some people here see the hypocrisy in thread ending crap. I couldn't care less either way. Just felt like adding in a couple cents. Don't care if I'm banned.

[MrFanti]

I just don't think we have that in this instance.

There's your error - there is no "we" here.
It is Grooby - we take it or leave it.

[GroobySteven]

last grooby subscription I had was earlier this year..without checking to be sure I think it was blacktgirls...I let it slide when some of my credit cards got compromised and for a few other reasons that aren't relevant here.

I am curious now though. You say it's not a porn site for images, yet I've been here since 2004 and it's always been a porn site with/for images...thats what? 18 years of hosting porn images...

Why end it all now? Like I said, your website/your rules and I respect that thinking, but this seems like drastic action...

It'll be interesting to see what becomes of this place. The images are what brought a lot of people here, and like I said before, while I understand/appreciate/support in real life the " woke topics " that are being posted, only a small handful of members are really interested in participating in those kinds of conversations...Just being realistic about that.

You can still post porn images. What we're not going to have is mega-threads where some people just come to post daily, and use it as their porn collection. If something is pertinent and relevant, then go for it.
Your comments on the 'woke' topics are way of. They've always been posted here, just lost amongst the drivel. This forum first and foremost was a place that people came to discuss with likeminded individuals.
If there is a post you don't like the subject of, don't click it.

[GroobySteven]

Are you saying the previous rules are now superceded? If so, what are the rules now?

On your second point, what is the status of this site https://shemalestardb.com/? I've always assumed it was legal, especially as people often post links to it here and no action is taken.

I might edit the rules but I think I've been clear on what's not going to take place here. You can blame the people who ignored them, or constantly fed their own posts with huge amount of stolen content.

That link is an affiliate site, we don't own it - but we allow the owner to post.

[GroobySteven]

You are missing the point. I'm happy for Grooby to set the rules as long as they are clearly stated and applied consistently. I just don't think we have that in this instance.

As far as I can work out, Steven just decided to set aside his previously-stated rules because he was unhappy with the amount of images being posted, even if they were not actually breaching the rules. The reason I keep pursuing this is that he doesn't seem willing to clarify what the rules are now. If it all depends on the whims of the owner that is the opposite of having rules.

It's not 'whims' it's a considered decision, and the final straw that broke the posters back was when I saw one morning the state of the front page of the site.

[GroobySteven]

The thing is, all those ads you see on the side and top of the page come from how much traffic comes to the site, not how many post counts someone has.

There isn't a thing that Grooby puts out that cant be had for free on the internet. Not a single thing and cutting a thread or two off of this place isn't going to change that. There's all kinds of sites and forums that daily put out new free porn. Not just TS stuff. Any perverted shit you can think of. Google is happy to help you find it because porn is the number one thing that made the internet spread across the world. Let's not pretend that there isn't a bigger agenda going on here. There's a reason why a TS will show up on Pornhub when you're looking up lesbians. They know when you're getting bored of something and want to fuck your life up a little bit more.

It amazes me that a porn producer is cutting out threads in a forum, that wouldn't have a single person here, if it never had free porn to begin with.

Does anyone honestly think that any person that came here in the first place, (other than transsexuals themselves) did so to discuss transsexual issues? Seriously? Especially when you have a gif of a ts getting fucked on the side of the page from GroobyVR, right now?

The whole porn thing is getting boring as fuck anyway.

I barely come by this place anymore but I can see why some people here see the hypocrisy in thread ending crap. I couldn't care less either way. Just felt like adding in a couple cents. Don't care if I'm banned.


Thanks for your 4th post in 9 years.
This site is a site for those who enjoy trans porn and discussion of that, some of it includes the sharing of images to demonstrate or illustrate. It was that long before you came onboard, it was that for years after you came - and there were some mega-threads that kept running. They'd sink down the threads, get an update and rise to the top every so often - but then some started using it as their porn sharing site, creating a thread for every micro niche within trans porn, updating each of the threads daily or multiple times a day and that drowned out the more interesting topics. 'Transsexual issues' takes up a tiny amount of the forum, most it's chat about models, types of porn, etc. Nobody has pretended that's anything different - and that's not going to change.

Speaking of hypocrisym, your two cents are pretty worthless for someone who has contributed so little but I decided to answer anyway as was able to use you crying, to answer some points overall.
No need for a ban - just go.

[GroobySteven]

You are missing the point. I'm happy for Grooby to set the rules as long as they are clearly stated and applied consistently. I just don't think we have that in this instance.



Rules change. I don't think they've been applied incorrectly in this instance and no rules cover everything. I'll edit the existing ones.


BTW - this was in the existing rules if you take a look:

As a company which has to constantly fight content piracy, we recognise that there is a need for some content to be shown on platforms like this, but if it becomes a destination for spank material only, then it's purpose becomes more blurry as it takes potential sales away from those whose content is being shown. Most members are able to respect those guidelines, and show content to display their likes, or to make their point without it becoming abusive. A few members abuse this, and it ends up with complete threads being deleted.



So was this, which applies to all those worms we've never heard from, until their spank bank was elimated:
If you never buy porn but rely on this site and other free sites for your spank material, then you're leech and worthless here. Your opinion is meaningless, you have no rights or say in anything

[mtbazz]

You can still post porn images. What we're not going to have is mega-threads where some people just come to post daily, and use it as their porn collection. If something is pertinent and relevant, then go for it.
Your comments on the 'woke' topics are way of. They've always been posted here, just lost amongst the drivel. This forum first and foremost was a place that people came to discuss with likeminded individuals.
If there is a post you don't like the subject of, don't click it.


I'll take your word for it that they've always been here and got lost amongst the other stuff.

I like the forum, and though I don't post unless it is something I feel is pertinent or worthwhile I do visit on a weekly basis on average and look through threads other than the image threads.

The point I've been trying to make is that if this place turns into something where the " woke/social justice " stuff are the dominant topics of discussion a lot of people will leave. Even though some of us are supportive of those issues we don't want to be confronted by it at every turn.

In other words, if I visit 5 times in a row and each of those visits shows me that the front page of the forum consists not of image threads, but of threads that are related to social issues, I'll eventually stop visiting. I am sure there are others that feel the same way.

It is what it is though..Forums change over the years, I just never thought I'd see these types of changes here.

[GroobySteven]

The point I've been trying to make is that if this place turns into something where the " woke/social justice " stuff are the dominant topics of discussion a lot of people will leave. Even though some of us are supportive of those issues we don't want to be confronted by it at every turn.



I don't think anyone wants that, I certainly don't - and posters should read the temperature of the room before simply posting links to any trans news item - but just because it's news doesn't tar it with the negative connoctations you seem to impart with 'woke' and 'social justice'. Some wider understanding of trans girls and what they go through is as important as any photos here.

Leave or don't.

[ceejay100]

Over a 100 posts, really?

My post count number hasn't changed since all the threads have been deleted and I must have had a few hundred in amongst them. Nor did it change when the escorting section was removed, which probably accounted for over half of my posts on here. Your post count reads 5, methinks you're telling porkies...

I'm not backing the attitude of the member to whom you were replying but since the thread deletions my post count has come down from circa 700 to just over 200

[MrFanti]

I'm not backing the attitude of the member to whom you were replying but since the thread deletions my post count has come down from circa 700 to just over 200
That should be an indicator of the content of your postings then.

[filghy2]

Rules change. I don't think they've been applied incorrectly in this instance and no rules cover everything. I'll edit the existing ones.

My point is that you don't appear to have applied the rules as stated at the time. Previously the limit was 12 images per set - now it's 1-2. It would have been better to announce the new rules and then enforce them from that time.

I'm still struggling to see why those 80 or so threads were deleted and not others. For instance, somebody mentioned that a post-op thread was deleted, which hardly sounds like the sort that would have been full of stolen images. Yet there are still some threads with hundreds of pages of images that weren't deleted.

You said that this action was prompted by seeing two pages of only image updates. Isn't the real question why there were no posts on anything else? I think the real problem is not that there's been more porn, but that the other stuff has dried up. For whatever reason, the people who were more likely to post comments have been steadily drifting away. We may end up with a dead forum with not much porn but not much other stuff either.

[filghy2]

The point I've been trying to make is that if this place turns into something where the " woke/social justice " stuff are the dominant topics of discussion a lot of people will leave. Even though some of us are supportive of those issues we don't want to be confronted by it at every turn.


Surely it's a simple matter to ignore threads that don't interest you. It's largely just one member who's taken it upon himself to post links that rarely attract any discussion. I can never understand why so many people complain about threads that they have chosen to open and read.

[pmloik]

I can understand why the deletion, and agree with it quite easily.

On the other hand, I've seen the behavior of the owner of this site in this topic, and that's something I cannot agree with. The world is full of bad behavior, bad people, hate and ... well you get the idea. Why the need to add more bad stuff in it, really ? Especially on a forum whose purpose is said (by the same dude, no less) to share thoughts and ideas on a topic as delicate as transgenderism.

If anything, it only convinced me that you can't really have a decent discussion here without taking the risk of being butchered by someone for no good reason.

bye.

and yes, you can also comment about how i only have 3 posts and that I did not make a great contribution. It will only further prove my point.

[GroobySteven]

I can understand why the deletion, and agree with it quite easily.

On the other hand, I've seen the behavior of the owner of this site in this topic, and that's something I cannot agree with. The world is full of bad behavior, bad people, hate and ... well you get the idea. Why the need to add more bad stuff in it, really ? Especially on a forum whose purpose is said (by the same dude, no less) to share thoughts and ideas on a topic as delicate as transgenderism.

If anything, it only convinced me that you can't really have a decent discussion here without taking the risk of being butchered by someone for no good reason.

bye.

and yes, you can also comment about how i only have 3 posts and that I did not make a great contribution. It will only further prove my point.


Aww. Bless.
There is no hate here but I'm not going to not answer comments truthfully. Same as this one. 3 posts, point taken. Bye Mary.

[GroobySteven]

My point is that you don't appear to have applied the rules as stated at the time. Previously the limit was 12 images per set - now it's 1-2. It would have been better to announce the new rules and then enforce them from that time.

I'm still struggling to see why those 80 or so threads were deleted and not others. For instance, somebody mentioned that a post-op thread was deleted, which hardly sounds like the sort that would have been full of stolen images. Yet there are still some threads with hundreds of pages of images that weren't deleted.

You said that this action was prompted by seeing two pages of only image updates. Isn't the real question why there were no posts on anything else? I think the real problem is not that there's been more porn, but that the other stuff has dried up. For whatever reason, the people who were more likely to post comments have been steadily drifting away. We may end up with a dead forum with not much porn but not much other stuff either.


Tell you what, you can buy this forum off me and then you can run it with your rules. You can even form a committee to discuss the changes or any rules before you make them. Or not.
It's done. It's what it is. I've stated my reasons. Like them or don't.

[ceejay100]

That should be an indicator of the content of your postings then.

You've missed the point entirely. Laphroaig was suggesting to another member that the deletion of the threads would have no difference to that member's post count. I merely stated that the deletions had altered my count. There was no suggestion whatsoever that I was complaining about the deletions

[filghy2]

Tell you what, you can buy this forum off me and then you can run it with your rules. You can even form a committee to discuss the changes or any rules before you make them. Or not.
It's done. It's what it is. I've stated my reasons. Like them or don't.

It's good that you welcome accountability and respect other people's right to disagree

1406867

[GroobySteven]

It's good that you welcome accountability and respect other people's right to disagree

1406867

You're welcome.

[Imatwork]

Don't really understand, but am drawn back by this,been away for years just looking, or not at pages of irrelevant content over and over again...Got absolutely numbed by it.Anyway a new Day.

[HeWasNumber1]

My point is that you don't appear to have applied the rules as stated at the time. Previously the limit was 12 images per set - now it's 1-2. It would have been better to announce the new rules and then enforce them from that time.

I'm still struggling to see why those 80 or so threads were deleted and not others. For instance, somebody mentioned that a post-op thread was deleted, which hardly sounds like the sort that would have been full of stolen images. Yet there are still some threads with hundreds of pages of images that weren't deleted.

You said that this action was prompted by seeing two pages of only image updates. Isn't the real question why there were no posts on anything else? I think the real problem is not that there's been more porn, but that the other stuff has dried up. For whatever reason, the people who were more likely to post comments have been steadily drifting away. We may end up with a dead forum with not much porn but not much other stuff either.

High probability of this happening. I hope not but if no one is posting comments/discussions and suppressing the amount of porn posted(stolen or not) I doubt the forum will flourish. But I hope I'm wrong, this forum is pretty cool and a great place for people with trans interests whether it be porn or education.

[MrFanti]

You've missed the point entirely. Laphroaig was suggesting to another member that the deletion of the threads would have no difference to that member's post count. I merely stated that the deletions had altered my count. There was no suggestion whatsoever that I was complaining about the deletions
Bottom line is that you can either accept the new rules or go.
It's crystal clear that Grooby isn't changing their stance here.

[filghy2]

High probability of this happening. I hope not but if no one is posting comments/discussions and suppressing the amount of porn posted(stolen or not) I doubt the forum will flourish. But I hope I'm wrong, this forum is pretty cool and a great place for people with trans interests whether it be porn or education.

The forum has been in decline for a while. At some point it becomes self-fulfilling - people log on, see nothing much of interest, and don't come back or come less regularly. Ironically, this little controversy has generated more interest than anything I've seen for some time.

Some people will say that this is because the image threads crowded out other stuff, but I don't find that convincing. If people are concerned about this why don't they make more effort to post other stuff themselves?

[filghy2]

Not sure why folks are arguing/discussing this.
It's a one way discussion.

I'll be the first to admit I've posted a TON of pictures here - but I've also added discussion and general information posts as well.

No one is paying a dime here......Grooby sets the rules, one is free to stay or go.


There's your error - there is no "we" here.
It is Grooby - we take it or leave it.


Bottom line is that you can either accept the new rules or go.
It's crystal clear that Grooby isn't changing their stance here.

I think we get your point. I know in the end he can do as he likes, but this doesn't mean we don't have a right to question it and ask for explanations. Contrary to your assertion, there is a "we" here. The membership has a legimate interest in this forum and how it is run.

I notice that some of your threads where you posted many images were deleted. I assume this was something you liked doing and you had no idea that you were doing anything wrong. Do you seriously have no opinion of your own on what was done?

[Luke Warm]

The forum has been in decline for a while.

ALL forums in this old school “bulletin board” format are in decline. I have a variety of interests, and the decline in popularity of online forums is evident no matter what the forum topic is. It’s great that this forum even exists, as it probably doesn’t make much of a profit for Grooby, if any. Can you name any other porn company that has an active online forum? I’m not aware of any.

If you want a place to host images (and see other peoples’ images) without the burden of topical discussions, it seems like Reddit is a good place to look. r/traps or r/transgonewild etc etc. Reddit is not very good for searching through archives of older material though. If you see a photo you like, download it. Keep your own archive.

[filghy2]

It’s great that this forum even exists, as it probably doesn’t make much of a profit for Grooby, if any.

This was the response given earlier


This site is far from our bread and butter, it's barely even crumbs in 2022 the way the internet and adult business has changed - the cost of keeping it running dollar for dollar, means it's a loss. But it has it's uses in other ways - and it's returned what we paid for it 10x over in the noughties.

[filghy2]

If you want a place to host images (and see other peoples’ images) without the burden of topical discussions, it seems like Reddit is a good place to look. r/traps or r/transgonewild etc etc. Reddit is not very good for searching through archives of older material though. If you see a photo you like, download it. Keep your own archive.

That's actually not my concern. I do already have a good archive of pics I've downloaded, and most of the stuff I can find elsewhere. For example, shemalestardb has a big (and legal) library of trans porn pics, although recently it seems to have less non-Grooby stuff.

The main added-value of this site to me is the girls who aren't shooting commercial porn, who I might not otherwise come across. I know people can still post 1-2 pics, so it remains to be seen how much this posting will be affected.

To be clear, I'm not objecting to the tightening of the posting rules so much as the unecessarily heavy-handed way it has been imposed.

[GroobySteven]

I think we get your point. I know in the end he can do as he likes, but this doesn't mean we don't have a right to question it and ask for explanations. Contrary to your assertion, there is a "we" here. The membership has a legimate interest in this forum and how it is run.

I notice that some of your threads where you posted many images were deleted. I assume this was something you liked doing and you had no idea that you were doing anything wrong. Do you seriously have no opinion of your own on what was done?


You have the right to question and ask - you don't have any right to expect an answer.

I'm probably one of the few larger company owners who does respond and interact with our members on a daily basis. I'm also involved with the adult industry on a number of boards like Xbiz.net as well as checking in on here and http://groobyforum.com daily and answering anything pertinent.

In short, you have the right to ask what you want, but as an unpaying customer to this board, no other rights.

[GroobySteven]

ALL forums in this old school “bulletin board” format are in decline. I have a variety of interests, and the decline in popularity of online forums is evident no matter what the forum topic is. It’s great that this forum even exists, as it probably doesn’t make much of a profit for Grooby, if any. Can you name any other porn company that has an active online forum? I’m not aware of any.

If you want a place to host images (and see other peoples’ images) without the burden of topical discussions, it seems like Reddit is a good place to look. r/traps or r/transgonewild etc etc. Reddit is not very good for searching through archives of older material though. If you see a photo you like, download it. Keep your own archive.

There used to be 100s of forums like this across the porn spectrum - they took over from where the newsgroups left off (remember them - they were the best and where we got started) - we owned a few more over that period, all of which were eventually redirected and swallowed by this one as intered wanted on them. With the advent of social media, these forums became less popular as people could get more instant feedback and riffing (and without the interference of an owner or moderator). There is still a place for forums like this, but in competition with Twitter which allows little moderation and plenty of porn (don't expect that to last forever) and Reddit, it's not competitive ... although that may come again.

[filghy2]

You have the right to question and ask - you don't have any right to expect an answer.

That's okay. Sometimes the non-answers are as revealing as the answers.

[Imatwork]

I don't understand why anyone could be upset by the Threads being deleted. It's all out there surely if you want .

[MrFanti]

That's okay. Sometimes the non-answers are as revealing as the answers.
Sometimes folks think that it's not even worth their time and effort to provide an answer.

[bassman2546]

Speaking of threads to delete...

[Didival]

You have the right to question and ask - you don't have any right to expect an answer.

I'm probably one of the few larger company owners who does respond and interact with our members on a daily basis. I'm also involved with the adult industry on a number of boards like Xbiz.net as well as checking in on here and http://groobyforum.com daily and answering anything pertinent.

In short, you have the right to ask what you want, but as an unpaying customer to this board, no other rights.

This is not nice or polite. If you interact with members, telling them out saying “since you don’t pay you don’t have rights” sounds quite annoying, to say the least.