Is anybody travelling whilst being unvaccinated??

[TSaddicted]

I've seen a number of countries, Mexico, Costa Rica and Portugal are just a few that accept tourist who haven't taken the jab but is there anybody out there actually travelling?

If so, can you tell us about your experience as I really want to go abroad but it just seems a little complicated for those not prepared to take the vaccine.

[GroobySteven]

I've seen a number of countries, Mexico, Costa Rica and Portugal are just a few that accept tourist who haven't taken the jab but is there anybody out there actually travelling?

If so, can you tell us about your experience as I really want to go abroad but it just seems a little complicated for those not prepared to take the vaccine.

Super easy.
Don't be a dickwad and go and get vaccinated.
Otherwise stay home.

[TSaddicted]

Super easy.
Don't be a dickwad and go and get vaccinated.
Otherwise stay home.

Doesn't really answer the question does it. With over 17 thousand post I expected a bit more maturity for someone so experienced in here.

[Nikka]

I have 3 jabs

[iHeart_PONG]

Doesn't really answer the question does it. With over 17 thousand post I expected a bit more maturity for someone so experienced in here.

Steven is the forum owner.

Also that said, my cleaning lady, who I just let go last week for being unvaxxed and lying about it, has recently gone to Vegas and is apparently going to Montego Bay at the end of this month.

[Castor_Troy05]

Super easy.
Don't be a dickwad and go and get vaccinated.
Otherwise stay home.

Exactly this, if you’re too stupid and selfish to do the right thing, you deserve to forgo any privileges that the rest of us have

[SanDiegoPervySage]

Nope, but if the standard of vaccination becomes +2 booster shots and beyond, I will be

[Scott098]

Super easy.
Don't be a dickwad and go and get vaccinated.
Otherwise stay home.

I cant possibly like this comment enough times Steven!!!!! You are 1000000% correct.

[Stavros]

The vaccine is fraudulent, dangerous, unnecessary and doesn't immunize you from anything. Natural immunity is superior


Natural immunity didn't work for the 5 million who have died, nearly one million in the US alone.

Your post does at least confirm that HungAngels has no immunity from bullshit.

[corbindallas]

Super easy.
Don't be a dickwad and go and get vaccinated.
Otherwise stay home.

You realize being vaxxed doesn't prevent you from being a carrier right?

[GroobySteven]

You realize being vaxxed doesn't prevent you from being a carrier right?

Of course I do.
And I also recognise it's your right not to get vaccinated no matter how much of a dickwad one may be.
But the non-vaxxed are the ones taking up the hospital beds, and sucking up the resources as well. They're also less likely to take being a carrier/spreader seriously, and thus more of a risk.
So it's your right to not get vaxxed - and it's my right to tell you to stay the fuck home.

On other notes, I've travelled to Italy, Croatia, Turkey, US and Canada over the past 12 months - as a vaxxed passenger, some places are more complicated than others. BA have an awesome app where once everything is uploaded to, you sail right through. Jet2 have been pretty good. Turkish and Croatian borders had to show proof of job. Los Angeles and Canada, have to show proof of vaxx to sit down in a restaurant/cafe or take public transport.

Frankly, the ones not taking the jab and committing suicide by stupidity, I'm good with. It makes the world a lighter place. I've lost one good friend through that, and I'll miss him - but can't get past how stupid he was to travel when an anti-vaxxer, and dead within 3 days of returning home.

[GroobySteven]

The vaccine is fraudulent, dangerous, unnecessary and doesn't immunize you from anything. Natural immunity is superior

You should probably stick to enjoying the asshole threads, instead of being one.

[dc_guy_75]

As long as Trump supporters are dying from Covid at significantly higher rates than non-Trump supporters, Covid is a blessing.

[Will Riker]

3 jabs, myself, and do believe vaccine is effective.

[GroobySteven]

3 jabs, myself, and do believe vaccine is effective.

Same. And had Covid twice. Confident that I would have had a lot worse symptoms without the vax, especially the first time. Omicron was just a bit congestion.

[gaysian71]

Who knows how many here have traveled without a vaxx, but I'm sure there are some. When a new variant is discovered in a foreign land, you can be sure it will be in your country within a day or two. When omicron was first discovered, it only took one day before there was a case reported here in California.

To me, it seems like the only way to get rid of the death threat that COVID offers is to infect everyone. Those who will die, will die. Everyone else will live and eventually the virus will become much less deadly. It's completely impossible to protect those who are vulnerable to death from COVID. Mostly because those who refuse to be vaccinated or wear masks. But even those who have been vaccinated and mask up still pose a threat to others. And everyone is burned out on COVID, so a lot of people are becoming less concerned about the virus and more concerned about getting back to normal. So you can be sure the virus will continue to spread each and every time a new variant comes out.

[KnightHawk 2.0]

3 jabs, myself, and do believe vaccine is effective.I've been vaccinated 3 times,and also believe the vaccine is effective.

[Stavros]

To me, it seems like the only way to get rid of the death threat that COVID offers is to infect everyone. Those who will die, will die. Everyone else will live and eventually the virus will become much less deadly.

Or you could choose the cheaper, less traumatic option, and be vaccinated, just as you have been vaccinated against Measles, and Poliio - woud you make the same argument with those two diseases? And not sentence other people to death because you really don't care if they live or die. Do you think others may take the same view of you?

[gaysian71]

Or you could choose the cheaper, less traumatic option, and be vaccinated, just as you have been vaccinated against Measles, and Poliio - woud you make the same argument with those two diseases? And not sentence other people to death because you really don't care if they live or die. Do you think others may take the same view of you?

I have been vaccinated. But the problem is that a lot will not. And while the current vaccinations are not perfect, they do work well. I had COVID once since being vaccinated, it was not that bad. But I do see that some Olympic athletes have had COVID since being in China, but it doesn't seem to affect them at all. Mine was worse than them, but probably not near as bad as it would have been without the vaccine. But when I was down with COVID, I stayed at home by myself until I tested negative. So the real question is how many people are out and about with COVID spreading it around?

[TSaddicted]

Wow looks like I opened a can of worms with this one. All I wanted was just getting a few holiday tips. Nobody requested that you disclose your vaccination status, that's your personal business.

And I definitely ain't gonna listen to some online prick telling me to stay at home because I'm not vaccinated. I work hard pay my bills and taxes and I'm living my life.

[Fitzcarraldo]

I work hard pay my bills and taxes and I'm living my life.

That's an interesting way to look at a public health crisis.

[GroobySteven]

Wow looks like I opened a can of worms with this one. All I wanted was just getting a few holiday tips. Nobody requested that you disclose your vaccination status, that's your personal business.

And I definitely ain't gonna listen to some online prick telling me to stay at home because I'm not vaccinated. I work hard pay my bills and taxes and I'm living my life.

Awww bless. If you pay your taxes then you should be concerned about the pricks who are unvaxxed filling up the NHS and costing us all money.

If you want to ask a stupid, ignorant question on this forum, and aren't prepared to take the answers - then fucking ask it elsewhere.

[TSaddicted]

That's an interesting way to look at a public health crisis.

No... that was in reference to someone telling me what to do.

[Fitzcarraldo]

No... that was in reference to someone telling me what to do.

The two are tied together, but your failure to grasp that explains your point of view.

[iHeart_PONG]

Wow looks like I opened a can of worms with this one. All I wanted was just getting a few holiday tips. Nobody requested that you disclose your vaccination status, that's your personal business.

And I definitely ain't gonna listen to some online prick telling me to stay at home because I'm not vaccinated. I work hard pay my bills and taxes and I'm living my life.

you paid your taxes? that's nice, thanks for paying for my 3 vaccines.

[corbindallas]

Of course I do.
And I also recognise it's your right not to get vaccinated no matter how much of a dickwad one may be.
But the non-vaxxed are the ones taking up the hospital beds, and sucking up the resources as well. They're also less likely to take being a carrier/spreader seriously, and thus more of a risk.
So it's your right to not get vaxxed - and it's my right to tell you to stay the fuck home.

On other notes, I've travelled to Italy, Croatia, Turkey, US and Canada over the past 12 months - as a vaxxed passenger, some places are more complicated than others. BA have an awesome app where once everything is uploaded to, you sail right through. Jet2 have been pretty good. Turkish and Croatian borders had to show proof of job. Los Angeles and Canada, have to show proof of vaxx to sit down in a restaurant/cafe or take public transport.

Frankly, the ones not taking the jab and committing suicide by stupidity, I'm good with. It makes the world a lighter place. I've lost one good friend through that, and I'll miss him - but can't get past how stupid he was to travel when an anti-vaxxer, and dead within 3 days of returning home.

Eh you seem self righteous about it really. Like someone convinced of their moral superiority on the subject. An anti vaxer who stays home had done far less damage to the population than you have, selfishly traveling around and potentially carrying it all over the place.

So idk if it's just to make yourself feel better but that logic falls flat for you, unfortunately.

[filghy2]

Eh you seem self righteous about it really. Like someone convinced of their moral superiority on the subject. An anti vaxer who stays home had done far less damage to the population than you have, selfishly traveling around and potentially carrying it all over the place.

That's a silly argument, given the OP obviously does not want to stay at home. If the countries with no vaccination requirements also have lower vaccination rates then he is more likely to do harm. The other point you are missing is that people who refuse to get vaccinated are also far less likely to be taking other precautions. Do you think when this guy is at home he is always wearing a mask and avoiding others if he has symptoms?

[filghy2]

Incidentally, the premise that vaccination makes no difference to the chances of being a carrier appears to be incorrect. According to the latest CDC data for December an unvaccinated person is 3 times more likely to test positive than a person who's had two shots, and 5 times more likely than a person who has also had a booster.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

[TSaddicted]

That's a silly argument, given the OP obviously does not want to stay at home. If the countries with no vaccination requirements also have lower vaccination rates then he is more likely to do harm. The other point you are missing is that people who refuse to get vaccinated are also far less likely to be taking other precautions. Do you think when this guy is at home he is always wearing a mask and avoiding others if he has symptoms?

Lol "this guy"

Well this guy is required to test himself everyday for work. Never had covid and wear a mask everyday.

I love the generalisation of assuming all unvaccinated pretty don't give an f about others. What a clown LMAO

[corbindallas]

That's a silly argument, given the OP obviously does not want to stay at home. If the countries with no vaccination requirements also have lower vaccination rates then he is more likely to do harm. The other point you are missing is that people who refuse to get vaccinated are also far less likely to be taking other precautions. Do you think when this guy is at home he is always wearing a mask and avoiding others if he has symptoms?

It's not a silly argument as I wasn't addressing the OP. People who travel the most are the biggest spreaders of the disease. It's really not hard to grasp. Being vaxxed doesn't magically preclude you from being a carrier. You could be asymptomatic, which is often what happens with vaxxed people who unknowingly spread the disease.

Also it's in response to Grooby who's calling the OP a "dickwad" while talking about all these places he's flying to. Just pointing out obvious irony. No doubt he's spread the disease. I guarantee it.

[Stavros]

It's not a silly argument as I wasn't addressing the OP. People who travel the most are the biggest spreaders of the disease. It's really not hard to grasp. Being vaxxed doesn't magically preclude you from being a carrier. You could be asymptomatic, which is often what happens with vaxxed people who unknowingly spread the disease.

Also it's in response to Grooby who's calling the OP a "dickwad" while talking about all these places he's flying to. Just pointing out obvious irony. No doubt he's spread the disease. I guarantee it.

This is nonsense, as you cannot guarantee anything unless you have the medical records to prove it. I was in Germany for over a month travelling from the UK between December and January, with two vaccinations and a booster, and travelled in the country to different places either on my own on public transport, or by car with friends. I doubt my movements were so different from what Steve did. I know I was not a carrier because I was tested -I was obliged to be tested- numerous times, and I would not be surprised if Steve was too. But I am sure he can speak for himself on this.

[GroobySteven]

Also it's in response to Grooby who's calling the OP a "dickwad" while talking about all these places he's flying to. Just pointing out obvious irony. No doubt he's spread the disease. I guarantee it.

Once more proving how ridiculous you are. Tested before I flew each time on a PCR. Tested when I arrived back in UK, via PCR (and quarantined until negative result).
Still sour over your last tantrum?

[GroobySteven]

Eh you seem self righteous about it really. Like someone convinced of their moral superiority on the subject. An anti vaxer who stays home had done far less damage to the population than you have, selfishly traveling around and potentially carrying it all over the place.

So idk if it's just to make yourself feel better but that logic falls flat for you, unfortunately.

Neither self-righteous or morally superior. Just sensible, and logical.

[broncofan]

Incidentally, the premise that vaccination makes no difference to the chances of being a carrier appears to be incorrect. According to the latest CDC data for December an unvaccinated person is 3 times more likely to test positive than a person who's had two shots, and 5 times more likely than a person who has also had a booster.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status
I was going to chime in to say this but find the subject kind of frustrating.

But this is important as the shots DO provide protection against infection from Omicron. To reiterate they also provide greater than 90% effectiveness against hospitalization and death. But being 5x less likely to get covid is nothing to snicker at given that the shots were designed for the original virus out of Wuhan.

Omicron didn't become the dominant variant until 11 months after the vaccines became available and it's the first variant in which there's a significant reduction in protection against infection. It will also not be the last variant and it's not clear what lineage any new variant will have but people who are vaccinated and boosted have a much better chance of being protected against disease and helping to contain it.

People keep saying they can make their own choices and I suppose that's true but people make bad choices all the time. And countries have a right to keep people out who make choices inconsistent with their values.

[broncofan]

I love the generalisation of assuming all unvaccinated pretty don't give an f about others.
Love the generalization that people who don't wear seatbelts aren't safety conscious. Or that people who smoke around young children are less concerned about the welfare of others. I thought it was only wrong to make generalizations if the characteristic you're basing your judgement on has nothing to do with that judgement.

[broncofan]

You could be asymptomatic, which is often what happens with vaxxed people who unknowingly spread the disease.

There have been studies on transmission rates and a shot that is effective against symptomatic infection tends to be effective in protecting against spread. Three shots do provide protection against infection and pure asymptomatic cases are much less likely to spread disease. Asymptomatic transmission can occur but someone who is sick is more likely to shed lots of virus.

This article was written when delta was dominant but protection against being infected correlates pretty strongly with ability to transmit and three shots of the vaccine provide protection against omicron. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/17/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-protect-against-infection-transmission/6403678001/

[dc_guy_75]

Willingly unvaccinated people are:

1. Less educated than average
2. Care less about others
3. More prone to conspiratorial thinking


I'm hoping that a more lethal virus will come along and kill them all, as any society would be better with these people gone.

[Stavros]

I'm hoping that a more lethal virus will come along and kill them all, as any society would be better with these people gone.


a) a more lethal virus may well eliminate more of us than you seem to wish for; and

b) can we stop all this talk of killing? With Jim Jordan endorsing Trump's insinuation that Hillary Clinton's 'spies' infiltrated his campaign in 2016 and should be executed for spying, the day may not be far off when someone with a high public profile does indeed end up dead. There are other ways of dealing with prejudice and ignorance, they are far superior to a bullet in the head.

[benbutton1]

Did grooby delete posts of someone owning him again? Typical.

[TSaddicted]

Willingly unvaccinated people are:

1. Less educated than average
2. Care less about others
3. More prone to conspiratorial thinking


I'm hoping that a more lethal virus will come along and kill them all, as any society would be better with these people gone.

Wow. I honestly haven't heard anything so nasty in years! I don't even want to associate myself with such a disgusting comment. I'm trying to find where I can delete this thread.

I'm done

[GroobySteven]

Did grooby delete posts of someone owning him again? Typical.

It was a spill over from an argument on another forum, on a different topic. So yeah, he's banned for a month. You can go the same way if you want?

"Yeah, assuredly. The guy who sets the tone for clownery on his own forum is "sensible and logical". No one perceives you that way. You're unprofessional and an intellectual lightweight."
"And not sour, just putting you in your place again."

Don't like how this site runs, then either skip those topics or go elsewhere.
I'll argue, and rarely delete/ban people but this ass has a history, and you can join him.

So 'owning me again'. LOL. Dream on.

[dc_guy_75]

I'm sure there are many other right-wing websites you can post your questions/comments... maybe a website run by Nigel Farage or Novak Djokovic?

Its so, so sad to see you go.

[broncofan]

Anti-vaxxers always seem surprised that people think their choice to refuse safe, effective vaccines during a pandemic damages their credibility.

It would be like someone who routinely takes a dump in the street acting indignant that people think it says something about them. "You think taking a shit in the street means I don't care about public sanitation?" It's like yes fella we do. And ignoring the medical consensus about vaccines during a pandemic probably means most of what you say is nonsense.

[filghy2]

Lol "this guy"

Well this guy is required to test himself everyday for work. Never had covid and wear a mask everyday.

I love the generalisation of assuming all unvaccinated pretty don't give an f about others. What a clown LMAO

If you are a vaccine resister who accepts that Covid is a serious risk then you must be in a small minority, judging by the people attending anti-mandate protests.

You declared yourself as holding a controversial viewpoint without any explanation. Seriously, what did you expect? Perhaps you should have anticipated the likely reaction and been more careful about how you presented yourself.

[filghy2]

I'm done

Evidently you are not, as you just downvoted my three posts in this thread. What do you hope to gain from this display of petulance?

[iHeart_PONG]

I just want to pose a question to the anti-vaxxers out there.

As you all feel you are pseudo-scientists and don't trust the mRNA technology used to create the covid vaccine, if for example, scientists came up with a way to vaccinate against HIV or Ebola, would you refuse that? Would all of you suck the dick of an unvaccinated escort knowing she could have protected herself and you against HIV?

Furthermore, are all of you anti-vaxxers going to turn on school boards across the country and state that the MMR and DTaP are no longer necessary or are those ok because they are old technology that were never politicized?

The inescapable problem here is not really the efficacy of the vaccine but the fact that politics have invaded medicine in a way that even surpasses how politics has invaded abortion rights or any other issue before and most people, both pro-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers are not able to dissociate the two.

I am fortunate to know many doctors and nearly all fall into the 1% category in the US (income over $420k). Some are republican and some are democrats. None that I know are anti-vaxxers. I just don't understand how someone lets a talking head or politician get involved in their medical relationship with their doctor that further endangers themselves and people around them.

Finally, I am not going to cite studies because the problem is, whatever study i cite that is pro-vaccine, an anti-vaxxer will produce something contrary and we would have to go tit-for-tat for days. All the evidence I need is as follows....

My wife, daughter (age 5) and myself are all vaxxed. My son is too young but once approved, he will get the shot. I am an organ recipient who is on immunosuppressants as I received a kidney in 2017. I never stopped going to work nor did my wife at any time during the pandemic. We both have very public facing jobs which require us to interact with pro-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers every day. My job requires me to be around the sick, underserved and socio-economically disadvantaged daily. My daughter's school has shut down 11 times since June 2020 for a covid outbreak in her classroom be it another student or a teacher. We changed next to nothing about our lives and as soon as life started to re-open, we were back to traveling, eating out, going to amusement parks, etc.....My wife, my daughter and myself have never gotten covid. I am sure there are plenty of anti-vaxxers who have never gotten covid either and to them I say, you are lucky, because in Moderna (and Pfizer for my daughter) I trust.

[obslam]

Wow. I honestly haven't heard anything so nasty in years! I don't even want to associate myself with such a disgusting comment. I'm trying to find where I can delete this thread.

I'm done

It is possible to be both nasty and true at the same time you know.

[filghy2]

I am fortunate to know many doctors and nearly all fall into the 1% category in the US (income over $420k). Some are republican and some are democrats. None that I know are anti-vaxxers. I just don't understand how someone lets a talking head or politician get involved in their medical relationship with their doctor that further endangers themselves and people around them.

This is the key point. Anyone who is a vaccine resistor is saying effectively that virtually the whole medical profession around the world is engaged in some conspiracy to mislead the public - yet the same people take umbrage at being labelled cranks. Would any of you care to explain why this is not the case?

[filghy2]

The inescapable problem here is not really the efficacy of the vaccine but the fact that politics have invaded medicine in a way that even surpasses how politics has invaded abortion rights or any other issue before and most people, both pro-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers are not able to dissociate the two.

The degree of politicisation seen in the US isn't a universal thing. In many countries there has been bipartisan support for vaccination and consequently vaccination rates are much higher. Where I'm from in Australia around 95% of adults are now vaccinated. That suggests that much of the scepticism about these vaccines is not natural, but has been manufactured.

[filghy2]

It's interesting that not a single vaccine sceptic has been prepared to explain or defend their position, even though they usually complain that their views are misrepresented. There must be a few of you around, judging by the like/dislike numbers.

[dc_guy_75]

It's interesting that not a single vaccine sceptic has been prepared to explain or defend their position, even though they usually complain that their views are misrepresented. There must be a few of you around, judging by the like/dislike numbers.

The reason why vaccine skeptics are unable to explain their logic is because they're morons. They think they know better than doctors.

These idiots are a great example of the Dunning-Kruger effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect).

Our society would be better off without these selfish and self-centered people. When a more lethal virus inevitably/eventually arrives, we can only hope these people are forever removed from our society.

[steviedresses]

My wife is a respiratory therapist. Over 200 people died of COVID in her hospital since the vaccine became available. ALL of the were NOT vaccinated.

When COVID started in 2020 she used to come home and collapse in my arms crying how she couldn't do anything for these men and women. Then the vaccine came out and she thought the nightmare was over. But in summer of 2021 the non vaccinated started showing up in terrible shape. It was too late for them. They were way past getting vaccinated.

Some of them asked to be vaccinated. Others went to their grave believing it was a hoax.

Now we are past the curve. The only COVID patients in the hospital are there because they are sick with other things. (Like cancer).
500,000 Americans died because they were STUPID.

Brilliant.

[TSaddicted]

😂😂😂😂😂!!!!