Transgender Docs Warn About Gender-Affirmative Care for Youth

[MrFanti]

https://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20211129/transgender-docs-gender-affirmative-care-youth

[Stavros]

You link these articles, Mr Fanti, without offering your own comment on them. Do you have views?

In this case, I think we are presented with the most difficult of the issues, because it concerns children, and anything that involves children is going to be controversial. More than that, and not just in the US, when it becomes a political football, the clinical issues get moved to one side while a fake debate then claims that Gender Affirming Care is proof of cultural decline, that health care has been taken over by political revolutionaries whose endgame is the end of 'normal' 'heterosexual' relationships, ignoring the central fact that most if not all of the transgendered youth and adults who begin or make the transition, have definite binary attachments, as in 'I am not a male I am a female' or vice versa.

I think the treatment of young people should be shaped entirely by clinical issues, and in some cases I think if the person was born without clearly defined genitalia but was not operated on at the time, the bias toward treatment should be clear, whereas a boy or a girl at the age of 11 suddenly declaring themselves to be the opposite of their birth identity does not have immediate grounds for treatment.

I once knew -briefly, I admit- two male to female transxuals and in both cases I felt their momentous decision making was shaped by catastrophic relations with their fathers rather than any clinical/biological facts, though I stress this merely confirms that there are many different reasons why the transition is or can be justified.

Indeed, it is because there is no 'one size fits all' that I think clinicians ought to be very cautious when prescribing drugs to young people After all, if they are in 'distress' then psychological counselling is there to help. I am not sure it is an 'American' problem, but prescribing drugs that have physical consequences is no less dangerous than prescribing drugs for the relief of pain, as the Opioid epidemic in the US suggests or confrms, depending on who you read -and I don't think an 11-year old is capable of making choices that either cannot be reversed, or in the meantime cause some damage to that person so desperate to be different from what they are.

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I think that the greatest takeaway from this fascinating article is that the debate on standards for adolescent transgender care should be conducted amongst clinicians and not on social media, where polemics so often spiral out of control into a culture war battle. Thanks for not commenting, Mr. Fanti

[MrFanti]

I think that the greatest takeaway from this fascinating article is that the debate on standards for adolescent transgender care should be conducted amongst clinicians and not on social media, where polemics so often spiral out of control into a culture war battle. Thanks for not commenting, Mr. Fanti
Thank you!
Sometimes, it's best to just listen instead of being verbose...

[Stavros]

Thank you!
Sometimes, it's best to just listen instead of being verbose...

Sometimes it helps to know if you even have an opinon, which need not require verbosity on your part.

[Stavros]

I think that the greatest takeaway from this fascinating article is that the debate on standards for adolescent transgender care should be conducted amongst clinicians and not on social media, where polemics so often spiral out of control into a culture war battle. Thanks for not commenting, Mr. Fanti

Which is rather like saying there was no point in Mr Fanti posting the link -but the word 'Forum' in which the link appears does suggest public debate.

[MrFanti]

Which is rather like saying there was no point in Mr Fanti posting the link -but the word 'Forum' in which the link appears does suggest public debate.
The point of my posts are to spark inner thought and or discussion - since some folks were complaining that there were a lack of discussion topics.

But hey if you don't like them - then skip over the threads, or ignore me as a member. Easy to do!

[filghy2]

The point of my posts are to spark inner thought and or discussion - since some folks were complaining that there were a lack of discussion topics.

But hey if you don't like them - then skip over the threads, or ignore me as a member. Easy to do!

You were asking why people weren't responding to your posting of links. I think the simple answer is that most people don't want to comment on issues they have no personal interest or knowledge of, and most of your posts fall into that category.

If the audience isn't responding to your offerings you should probably reassess your offerings rather than blame the audience.

[MrFanti]

You were asking why people weren't responding to your posting of links. I think the simple answer is that most people don't want to comment on issues they have no personal interest or knowledge of, and most of your posts fall into that category.

If the audience isn't responding to your offerings you should probably reassess your offerings rather than blame the audience.
I don't blame anyone.
However, Stavros appears to upset that I haven't provided input to my topic threads.

But you should direct your response to those who were complaining about lack of substance topics - I put 'substance' topics out for those who complained about lack of 'substance' topics.
But I suppose those who were dissatisfied could also post 'substantive' topics themselves.

But as usual, you can't satisfy everyone - it is what it is or isn't.

[Stavros]

The point of my posts are to spark inner thought and or discussion - since some folks were complaining that there were a lack of discussion topics.

But hey if you don't like them - then skip over the threads, or ignore me as a member. Easy to do!

"The point of my posts are to spark inner thought and or discussion"

"Sometimes, it's best to just listen instead of being verbose..."

I see a contradiction here -but whatever, I don't block anyone and read all the posts that I choose to, and even appreciate the links you provide, which I ought to have said before, if I have not.

[MrFanti]

I have to remind myself of the self-appointed "Forum Police" volunteers who try to ensure all members abide by a set, and unwritten rules that they believe in.

[Stavros]

What a silly post. I don't 'police' posts, I comment on them, which you are free to do, or not. It just seems odd to me that you make the effort to post links to interesting stories about which you have nothing to say. These days it seems that Americans are either too terrified to express themselves in public, or just can't be bothered. Your country is in a slow-burning crisis, the end-game of which may well be the end of your Union of 50 states into a clutch of autonomous States in which your right to vote has been taken away, in which same-sex marriages are illegal, and where the 'policing' of your internet use will either result in your never seeing HungAngels or any similar site again, or your ending up in prison for doing so.

As your Fellow American put it-

Here error is all in the not done-
All in the diffidence that faltered.

[Del06]

This thread seems to have been derailed into a critique of Mr. Fanti's posting history. I actually have no problem with his not providing his opinion, and found the article interesting. Stavros' initial reply seems on target to me. Here's another link which I think supports Stavros' view:

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/963913