Escorts, Adult Models and AIDS.

[GroobySteven]

I asked for some threads to be removed from the Lisa Kage memorial thread which I posted yesterday (see sticky) not because of the topic but because they were in the wrong place and were frankly offensive especially from some clown who has chosen to post here only 4 times previous.
For those of you who are curious about what may have happened to any untimely deaths, here's my take on it.

I'm not into spreading rumours and gossip. If I know 100% how an individual died (like suicide, murder, car accident) then I'll state it. If a young person in this industry died of natural illness/causes then there is a high possibility it could be from AIDS or another STD. You can assume that if you need to - however, often I don't know or don't feel the need to find out exactly what - and certainly not to share it on a public forum because it's IRRELEVANT.

If you have sex with escorts - and especially unprotected sex or taking sperm into your mouth as numbnuts so tastefully (no pun) stated then you are at risk of getting an STD which can take many forms. You are rolling the dice. Your spinning the gun barrel.
Anybody having unprotected sex with escorts should be getting regular tests and certainly before having sex with any other individual.

YOU are responsible for YOURSELF. Stop looking to blame others for actions that you bring upon yourself. You have choices.
Assume that every single person you have unprotected sex with MAY have an STD - afterall, they're having unprotected sex with you.

This isn't a place for speculation. Assume the worst in all cases and get yourself tested - above all, have some fucking respect for my friend and for the post you hijacked.
seanchai

Word!

Take some responsibility, libtards.

[Legend]

Its really disrespectful to the deceased person to try and speculate what cause their death,the person is deceased thats all you need to know, i just dont get the lets drag this into a public speculation and discuss what happen to the decease its just really eerie when you hear a bunch of people try and play matlock about the dead let them rest in peace,if you so stupidity put yourself at risk by having unprotected sex thats on you like seanchai stated.

[Dasnasdi]

We do not know about Lisa, but we do know in the case of Susan Shah that she worked as a prostitute while knowingly was infected with AIDS. I think it is appropriate that every time Susan's name comes up, we mention this dispicable thing she did.

Condoms do not eliminate the possibility of spreading disease, they only significantly reduce the possibility. Therefore my condom use does not relieve my sex partner of her responsibility to inform me if she knows she is infected.

Protection or not, anyone who knows they have a deadly STD, but conceals this information from sex partners, belongs in prison.

This shit makes me glad that where I live is a three hour drive from a couple of legal Nevada brothels, where regular testing is mandated.

[BottomBoySlave]

Condoms do not eliminate the possibility of spreading disease, they only significantly reduce the possibility. Therefore my condom use does not relieve my sex partner of her responsibility to inform me if she knows she is infected.

Protection or not, anyone who knows they have a deadly STD, but conceals this information from sex partners, belongs in prison.


Couldn't agree more!

[d]

wow...some of u guys expect escorts who lie about everything else in their lives (from cock size to their names to their nationalities) to be honest and upfront about their hiv status? haha good luck with that......u guys are darwin award winners and dont even know it...play safe or dont play at all....

[GroobySteven]

u guys are darwin award winners and dont even know it...play safe or dont play at all....

Well said.
seanchai

[Dasnasdi]

play safe or dont play at all....
Read, idiot. As I clearly said, sex with a condom with an HIV infected person is not safe.

I expect a prostitute, if she discovers she is HIV positive, to stop working as a prostitute. If not out of common decency, then out of fear of felony charges and prison time if that next john turns out to be a cop.

[GroobySteven]

play safe or dont play at all....
Read, idiot. As I clearly said, sex with a condom with an HIV infected person is not safe.

I expect a prostitute, if she discovers she is HIV positive, to stop working as a prostitute. If not out of common decency, then out of fear of felony charges and prison time if that next john turns out to be a cop.

Actually it's you that's the idiot if you genuinely believe and expect that.
seanchai

[Dasnasdi]

Actually it's you that's the idiot if you genuinely believe and expect that.seanchai
I'd say the idiots are those who think that using protection makes them safe, and that an infected sex partner is therefore relieved of the moral and legal responsibility of informing them.

[GroobySteven]

Actually it's you that's the idiot if you genuinely believe and expect that.seanchai
I'd say the idiots are those who think that using protection makes them safe, and that an infected sex partner is therefore relieved of the moral and legal responsibility of informing them.


Deep breath...
... well using protection is certainly going to make it much much safER and yes those who delibrately spread HIV obviously I have issues against but that still doesn't absolve your responsibility and you'd be the IDIOT for thinking that every sex worker comes from the same moral background that you do.

I don't think there is a legal precendent for somebody having safe sex (condom sex) who has HIV being arrested. It would be someone who knowingly has the virus and then tries to spread it by unsafe sex.
seanchai

[mrironknee]

When do I get MY turn to be the idiot?

[tommytuu]

wow...some of u guys expect escorts who lie about everything else in their lives (from cock size to their names to their nationalities) to be honest and upfront about their hiv status? haha good luck with that......u guys are darwin award winners and dont even know it...play safe or dont play at all....Thanks D. That really sums it all up. Its almost laughable that you guys expect escorts who are as dishonest as they come, to become honor scouts about their hiv status. That nationality lie is so funny. I've seen so many escorts say that they're brazilian and know for a fact that they are hood rat african-american. Hilarious. All for the dollar bill. All you can do is protect yourself or stop seeing escorts.

[d]

I expect a prostitute, if she discovers she is HIV positive, to stop working as a prostitute. If not out of common decency, then out of fear of felony charges and prison time if that next john turns out to be a cop.

lol...yes because prostitutes are law abiding citizens who never ever ever break the law, oh wait only when they're prostituting. but yes, other than having sex for money they otherwise keep their noses clean and never fall on the wrong side of the law because of fear of felony charges...keep looking for that escort with the heart of gold and the common decency...i'm sure next time you're with her, pay for an hour and nut in 10 minutes, she'll give you back the change due for the 50 minutes you didnt use, u know "because of common decency"

[sbcroix]

I don't think there is a legal precendent for somebody having safe sex (condom sex) who has HIV being arrested. It would be someone who knowingly has the virus and then tries to spread it by unsafe sex.
seanchai

Actually seanchai, it is a felony for a person who knows that they have HIV to not inform their partner, regardless of if you plan on having safe sex or not.

It is refered to as "Willful Exposure", look it up.

One thing to note is that the law Differs from state to state. For instance in california if you wear a condom you can not actually be prosicuted, but in many other states you can. Also there is a federal law that is being discussed. And there have ben several cases of attempted murder that have made it through the courts regardless of specific "Willful Exposure" laws.

[GroobySteven]

I don't think there is a legal precendent for somebody having safe sex (condom sex) who has HIV being arrested. It would be someone who knowingly has the virus and then tries to spread it by unsafe sex.
seanchai

Actually seanchai, it is a felony for a person who knows that they have HIV to not inform their partner, regardless of if you plan on having safe sex or not.

It is refered to as "Willful Exposure", look it up.

One thing to note is that the law Differs from state to state. For instance in california if you wear a condom you can not actually be prosicuted, but in many other states you can. Also there is a federal law that is being discussed. And there have ben several cases of attempted murder that have made it through the courts regardless of specific "Willful Exposure" laws.

Thanks I was unaware of that but I'll take your word for it. However, how can it be a felony for someone not to tell their partnet yet in CA you cannot be prosecuted if you wear a condom? This would appear to be at odds?
seanchai

[T Oracle]

This comes from an article on California's law BUT it was written in May 2000.

As has been indicated, someone would need to do some proper research on this to come up with a definitive answer on the current legal position.


"If you are HIV-positive, dating and sex always involve the sticky questions of if, when, and how to disclose your HIV-status. Should you do it before you have sex? During the first date? Only if asked? Only if it becomes "serious"?
For each individual, the answers to these questions evolve from a blend of ethical, personal and practical considerations. People living with HIV have strongly advocated every position from "when you first meet" to "never."

At the point when you decide to have sex, however, the disclosure question is no longer solely up to you and your conscience. At that point, your decisions may have legal ramifications. Failing to disclose your HIV status to your partner may make you vulnerable to criminal prosecution or to being sued by your sexual partner.

Criminal convictions for exposing another person to HIV through sex are rare. Since the beginning of the AIDS epidemic, more than 300 people have been criminally prosecuted for exposing another person to HIV. Only a fraction of these cases involve exposure through consensual sex. (The others involve activities such as biting, scratching and spitting, or violent sex crimes such as rape or forcible sodomy.)

Of the cases involving sex, most have been brought against female prostitutes (and not their male customers) or by military prosecutors against military personnel. Less than one-sixth of these cases have resulted in convictions, and more than half of the convictions have been against military personnel.

While most of these prosecutions have proceeded under general criminal laws such as attempted murder, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, attempted manslaughter and manslaughter, a number of states have passed specific statutes that make it a crime for a person to expose another to HIV through sexual activity.




California's "Willful Exposure" Law
The law makes it a felony punishable by up to eight years of imprisonment for an HIV-positive person to "willfully expose" another person to HIV through unprotected sex.
The law is narrowly drafted, however, so that it only applies to individuals who intend to infect others with HIV through sex. It is designed to prosecute cases like one in New York, where one man infected more than a dozen young women, not to police every sexual encounter engaged in by people living with HIV.

To be prosecuted under the law, you would have to do all of the following:

Have anal or vaginal sex. You cannot be prosecuted for oral sex. As to anal and vaginal sex, the law applies equally to men and women; tops and bottoms. The law punishes exposing someone to HIV through these types of sex. Your sexual partner does not have to actually become infected.

Know that you are HIV-positive. You cannot be prosecuted for sex that you had before you knew that you were HIV-positive.

Fail to disclose your HIV status. If you disclose before insertion, you cannot be prosecuted.

Fail to use a condom. Even if you do not disclose, you cannot be prosecuted unless you have "unprotected sex." The law defines "unprotected sex" as failing to use a condom. This means that every inserting penis has to be covered. Even if you are on the receiving end, you have a legal obligation to make sure that your partner wears a condom.

Have the "specific intent" to infect the other person. Most likely, this element will prevent the statute from being used to harass people living with HIV. To be prosecuted, you have to engage in the sexual activity with the specific intention of infecting the other person with HIV. Just knowing that you had HIV when you had sex will not be enough. The law explicitly states that: "Evidence that the person had knowledge of his or her HIV-positive status, without additional evidence, shall not be sufficient to prove specific intent."
Because of this specific-intent requirement, the law is narrowed in scope to only cover individuals who want to infect other people, and who are probably expressing that desire. If you slip up one time, it's unlikely that you will be prosecuted. However, the best way to stay clear of this law, and other legal liabilities, is to always disclose your status and/or practice safer sex. "

[GroobySteven]

So my original point stands - if you're wearing a condom you cannot be prosecuted for "Willful exposure".
So any prostitute who has HIV as long as they wear a condom for penetrative sex is legally in the clear.
seanchai

So any prostitute who has HIV as long as they wear a condom for penetrative sex is legally in the clear.
seanchai


But is still wrong.

[whatsupwithat]

So any prostitute who has HIV as long as they wear a condom for penetrative sex is legally in the clear.
seanchai


But is still wrong.

No, not really. It's about informing your partners, that's all. I know a girl who's HIV positive, escorts, and is very upfront with her partners about her status.

And, seanchai, I didn't see the threads you referred to, but, if anything, safe sex, protection, and being open and honest (not ashamed) of HIV should be one of the main topics on this board.

And it's not just looking out for ourselves. It's looking out for the entire TG community. And, in the process, the entire population.

I think ACT UP said it best:

Silence = Death

Also, I'm so sorry for your loss. I had met Lisa a few times around town. Once, we shared a long train ride and we talked about you, actually. I've never met you, but she had nothing but the best things to say.

No, not really. It's about informing your partners, that's all. I know a girl who's HIV positive, escorts, and is very upfront with her partners about her status.


You're right. But having sex with someone with HIV, even protected, ranks up there with sticking your finger in the electric socket.

Plain stupidity.

Stupidity is wrong!

[whatsupwithat]

But having sex with someone with HIV, even protected, ranks up there with sticking your finger in the electric socket.

Plain stupidity.

Stupidity is wrong!

Uhm, I'll have to disagree with you there. You're on the verge of saying you could catch it from a toilet seat.

But having sex with someone with HIV, even protected, ranks up there with sticking your finger in the electric socket.

Plain stupidity.

Stupidity is wrong!

Uhm, I'll have to disagree with you there. You're on the verge of saying you could catch it from a toilet seat.


Why would you take a risk like that? Having sex with someone is risky enough, but knowingly having sex with someone who has a disease that can KILL YOU, is suicidal.

If this is how HIV activists are going to frame their "pro-sexwithsomebodywithHIV" arguments, I can only laugh.

[GroobySteven]

So any prostitute who has HIV as long as they wear a condom for penetrative sex is legally in the clear.
seanchai


But is still wrong.

I've never stated it isn't wrong. I agree absolutely it is wrong.
My point is - that you shouldn't be trusting anybody elses word - whether you base it on moral or legal grounds.
seanchai

[whatsupwithat]

So any prostitute who has HIV as long as they wear a condom for penetrative sex is legally in the clear.
seanchai


But is still wrong.

I've never stated it isn't wrong. I agree absolutely it is wrong.


Not if the person informs you they are positive.

[GroobySteven]

No, not really. It's about informing your partners, that's all. I know a girl who's HIV positive, escorts, and is very upfront with her partners about her status.


You're right. But having sex with someone with HIV, even protected, ranks up there with sticking your finger in the electric socket.

Plain stupidity.

Stupidity is wrong!

Well your showing your ignorance and fear there (which looking at your terrorist post which if it isn't tongue in cheek - spells volumes). Fact is, there are a wealth of diseases you can catch from STD's to Hepatitis which can kill you. HIV is actually a lot harder to catch than some of the others.

seanchai

[GroobySteven]

So any prostitute who has HIV as long as they wear a condom for penetrative sex is legally in the clear.
seanchai


But is still wrong.

I've never stated it isn't wrong. I agree absolutely it is wrong.


Not if the person informs you they are positive.

Of course, I was referring to the discussion was about people not informing their partners or clients but still wearing a condom.
seanchai

[GroobySteven]

Honestly and with all respect to those who want to know for their own safety and not just rubber necking. Assume the worst from any young person who is working in the adult industry and dies of natural causes at a young age.
However, it is just that - an assumption.

Please please just play safe. Get tested if you're having any form of unprotected sex where you or your partner have multiple partners.

Is it insensitive to ask what someone died of? Yes if their is no proof or we simply don't know. You can speculate all you like.

Just assume that anybody you have sex with has the POTENTIAL to be HIV+ or carry other STD's or transmittable diseases.
seanchai

[whatsupwithat]

Honestly and with all respect to those who want to know for their own safety and not just rubber necking. Assume the worst from any young person who is working in the adult industry and dies of natural causes at a young age.
However, it is just that - an assumption.

Please please just play safe. Get tested if you're having any form of unprotected sex where you or your partner have multiple partners.

Is it insensitive to ask what someone died of? Yes if their is no proof or we simply don't know. You can speculate all you like.

Just assume that anybody you have sex with has the POTENTIAL to be HIV+ or carry other STD's or transmittable diseases.
seanchai

Right on!

[ARMANIXXX]

This is nuts.

If you sleep with someone, someone new or fairly new to you, and you know they are HIV positive, even with a condom....Damn....that person is a stupid ass. Even the guys from "Jackass" I doubt would do that kinda shit.

It almost sounds as if some of you are advocating this. WTF.

[GroobySteven]

This is nuts.

If you sleep with someone, someone new or fairly new to you, and you know they are HIV positive, even with a condom....Damn....that person is a stupid ass. Even the guys from "Jackass" I doubt would do that kinda shit.

It almost sounds as if some of you are advocating this. WTF.

You need to re-read my posts if your referring to me and let me know where I once advocate sleeping with someone HIV+ whom is new to you?
seanchai

[whatsupwithat]

This is nuts.

If you sleep with someone, someone new or fairly new to you, and you know they are HIV positive, even with a condom....Damn....that person is a stupid ass. Even the guys from "Jackass" I doubt would do that kinda shit.

It almost sounds as if some of you are advocating this. WTF.

I'm advocating an open dialogue and honesty.

[ARMANIXXX]

This is nuts.

If you sleep with someone, someone new or fairly new to you, and you know they are HIV positive, even with a condom....Damn....that person is a stupid ass. Even the guys from "Jackass" I doubt would do that kinda shit.

It almost sounds as if some of you are advocating this. WTF.

You need to re-read my posts if your referring to me and let me know where I once advocate sleeping with someone HIV+ whom is new to you?
seanchai

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Not so much you Seanchai. More so whatsupwithat.

In fact you alluded to diseases such hep are more contagious....which is true.

But still, that doesn't mean folks should take some kinda carefree aproach to knowingly sleeping with HIV infected partners condom or otherwise.

[whatsupwithat]

Not so much you Seanchai. More so whatsupwithat.

In fact you alluded to diseases such hep are more contagious....which is true.

But still, that doesn't mean folks should take some kinda carefree aproach to knowingly sleeping with HIV infected partners condom or otherwise.

No, I haven't. I referred to being honest about your HIV status with partners or potential partners. I think there's a lot of shame and denial going on and it's leading to the spread of the disease.

I never once said, "go ahead and sleep with HIV positive people". That's a huge personal decision.

[whatsupwithat]

BTW, I would just like to add that there is a new and more virulent strain of HIV making the rounds. While the Pharma companies will do their best to make you think they've got the situation under control, they don't.

I'm currently in rewrites on a major feature film about AIDS, the transgendered community, and "tranny chasers". In my 15+ years dealing with the trans population, I have seen too much death and suffering and, of course, ignorance and denial and shame not just from the girls, but from the guys, as well.

And we're all guilty of it. Until transgendered people are fully accepted in society and given the same human rights and respect as men and women, the problem will continue.

[ARMANIXXX]

But having sex with someone with HIV, even protected, ranks up there with sticking your finger in the electric socket.

Plain stupidity.

Stupidity is wrong!

Uhm, I'll have to disagree with you there. You're on the verge of saying you could catch it from a toilet seat.





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whatsupwithat,

You implied here that the "electrical socket" analogy is somehow way off. Technically and statistically, you may be right....I guess *shrug*, but in terms of sentiments....ITS SPOT ON.

Sleeping with an HIV infected person, condom or no, is akin to askin for death as in "having a death wish".

Well your showing your ignorance and fear there (which looking at your terrorist post which if it isn't tongue in cheek - spells volumes). Fact is, there are a wealth of diseases you can catch from STD's to Hepatitis which can kill you. HIV is actually a lot harder to catch than some of the others.

seanchai


I won't have sex with anyone with Hepatitis, either.

[whatsupwithat]

whatsupwithat,

You implied here that the "electrical socket" analogy is somehow way off. Technically and statistically, you may be right....I guess *shrug*, but in terms of sentiments....ITS SPOT ON.

Sleeping with an HIV infected person, condom or no, is akin to askin for death as in "having a death wish".

The electrical socket analogy IS way off. You stick your finger in an electrical socket the odds are you're going to die. You have safe, protected sex with an HIV positive person, the odds of you getting sick and dying are not even close to 100%.

It's just common medical knowledge.

[whatsupwithat]

I won't have sex with anyone with Hepatitis, either.

And, of course, people will tell you they have Hep, too, right?

This is all I'm advocating. And it all comes to down to us being honest, open, vigilant, and accepting.

I won't have sex with anyone with Hepatitis, either.

And, of course, people will tell you they have Hep, too, right?

This is all I'm advocating. And it all comes to down to us being honest, open, vigilant, and accepting.


It is an obligation to tell someone if you have an STD. AIDS or Hepatitis.

[GroobySteven]

I won't have sex with anyone with Hepatitis, either.

And, of course, people will tell you they have Hep, too, right?

This is all I'm advocating. And it all comes to down to us being honest, open, vigilant, and accepting.


It is an obligation to tell someone if you have an STD. AIDS or Hepatitis.

What are you missing Tfan in this conversation. You may have been brought up politely and with morals different to others. You may always open a door for a lady and cover your mouth when you sneeze.
I agree with what you're thining but you've got to acknowledge - not everybody was brought up with those same ideals! They're not going to acknowledge it. So you are responsible for yourself - not what you expect someone else to do.
seanchai

[ARMANIXXX]

whatsupwithat,

You implied here that the "electrical socket" analogy is somehow way off. Technically and statistically, you may be right....I guess *shrug*, but in terms of sentiments....ITS SPOT ON.

Sleeping with an HIV infected person, condom or no, is akin to askin for death as in "having a death wish".

The electrical socket analogy IS way off. You stick your finger in an electrical socket the odds are you're going to die. You have safe, protected sex with an HIV positive person, the odds of you getting sick and dying are not even close to 100%.

It's just common medical knowledge.

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At the risk of sounding kinda silly here, debating the validity of death while playing with electric sockets.....I'll chance it.

The reason the "electric socket" analogy is SENTIMENTALLY spot on is because kids all over the country have played with sockets, myself included. Guess what happens the majority of the time......They get shocked and/or burned. Can you die? Duh. Should you play with em? No....Duh. Do kids (and adults too btw) die every year from misuse of a socket.....Duh. But most of the time, they live.

Now, If I go out and have sex with a TS girl or GG girl with protection and she tells me she has HIV.....I won't mix words here, If I did that I would be a stupid ass. Condoms help, but they can break. Not only that, but The jury's still not 100% sure on exposure to kissing. Will you die? Probably not. Should you do it? Hell no.

This is why the two analogies can coincide.



I'll tell you this, at the risk of more sillyness, If a gun were pointed to my head and my assailant gave me the hypothetical option of Having sex with an HIV infected person with a condom, or the other option of sticking a paperclip in the wall socket, I'd tell the gun toting bastard thanks for giving me the option and, "Pass the paperclips please."

What are you missing Tfan in this conversation. You may have been brought up politely and with morals different to others. You may always open a door for a lady and cover your mouth when you sneeze.
I agree with what you're thining but you've got to acknowledge - not everybody was brought up with those same ideals! They're not going to acknowledge it. So you are responsible for yourself - not what you expect someone else to do.
seanchai

What's also missed here is knowledgeable exposure. People may not "know", that's what condoms are for. People who know.... have a responsibility to tell.

Then if said person is a moron, he'll have sex with the person anyway.

[whatsupwithat]

I won't have sex with anyone with Hepatitis, either.

And, of course, people will tell you they have Hep, too, right?

This is all I'm advocating. And it all comes to down to us being honest, open, vigilant, and accepting.


It is an obligation to tell someone if you have an STD. AIDS or Hepatitis.

Oooohhhh, of course, so that's why no one ever gets sick.

Sorry for the sarcasm, but come on, man.

[Ratbutt]

Thanks for starting this thread, I am in 100% agreement with Seanchai.

If you don't have the maturity to deal with the consequences, don't play. No one other than yourself is responsible for your horniness.

I know first hand that condoms aren't 100%. Luckily I haven't caught anything that wouldn't clear with 14 days worth of antibiotic but Herpes and Aids are incurable and if and when I get them it will be my fault.

THE END.

[TonyStarx]

I asked for some threads to be removed from the Lisa Kage memorial thread which I posted yesterday (see sticky) not because of the topic but because they were in the wrong place and were frankly offensive especially from some clown who has chosen to post here only 4 times previous.
For those of you who are curious about what may have happened to any untimely deaths, here's my take on it.

I'm not into spreading rumours and gossip. If I know 100% how an individual died (like suicide, murder, car accident) then I'll state it. If a young person in this industry died of natural illness/causes then there is a high possibility it could be from AIDS or another STD. You can assume that if you need to - however, often I don't know or don't feel the need to find out exactly what - and certainly not to share it on a public forum because it's IRRELEVANT.

If you have sex with escorts - and especially unprotected sex or taking sperm into your mouth as numbnuts so tastefully (no pun) stated then you are at risk of getting an STD which can take many forms. You are rolling the dice. Your spinning the gun barrel.
Anybody having unprotected sex with escorts should be getting regular tests and certainly before having sex with any other individual.

YOU are responsible for YOURSELF. Stop looking to blame others for actions that you bring upon yourself. You have choices.
Assume that every single person you have unprotected sex with MAY have an STD - afterall, they're having unprotected sex with you.

This isn't a place for speculation. Assume the worst in all cases and get yourself tested - above all, have some fucking respect for my friend and for the post you hijacked.
seanchai


well said !

[Levam]

Sorry for bursting into this conversation, but the electric bulb analogy *is* way off. Having unprotected analsex with a casual partner, especially escort (or vaginal if your playing girl-guy) is of course like playing russian rulette. The same act wearing a condom, however is not even if you know the person is HIV+. Condoms are there for a reason! Lets say we have a couple of A and B where A is Hiv+. No doctors in the world would advise them never to have sex together ever again. Of course condoms might burst or slip of, but that only happens on a rare occation. Waterbased lube minimises the risk. Even if the condom do burst it doesnt automatically mean high risk of exposure. Must likely you will notice the condom slipped of and pull out immediately. I'm not saying exposure to HIV is impossible wearing a condom. I'm saying its so far out your more likely to die in a terrorist attack then from getting HIV when you have protected sex.
Nothing is 100% certain in this life. You can get a brick in the head going out the door, yet people still go outdoors. You can get a heart-attack in your bed. The thing is to not unnecceraily expose yourself to high risks, or seek danger that drastically differs from the "dailylife risks"

Other STDs have higher risks of exposure, even if wearing a condom, but most are curable. Yes, Herpes isnt curable but its not a danger to your health. You wont die from it. As far as I'm concerned the only other STD than HIV you can die from is Hepatetis B (and C but less likely to transmit sexually). But 95% of the ones that does get infected gets rid of the virus. A few of the last 5% gets their liver damaged and increased risk of livercancer. However Condom offers a good protection against exposure to HepB, and if your in high risk of getting it you can always get yourself vaxinated.

[Levam]

(accidently dobble post sorry)

[tslvrnyc]

How about this scenario:

I drive home from a bar after having 10 drinks. When I leave I'm fairly certain that I will not kill anyone. I eventually arrive home unharmed and no one knows I was driving under the influence.

If I were caught I would have been arrested, but this time I was not.

Does the fact that I didn't kill anyone, and no one knew my drunken status while I was driving make it any more legal or moral to act so recklessly? Should any enforcement be dedicated to preventing my irresponsible actions from hurting others?

[peggygee]

Sorry for bursting into this conversation, but the electric bulb analogy *is* way off. Having unprotected analsex with a casual partner, especially escort (or vaginal if your playing girl-guy) is of course like playing russian rulette. The same act wearing a condom, however is not even if you know the person is HIV+. Condoms are there for a reason! Lets say we have a couple of A and B where A is Hiv+. No doctors in the world would advise them never to have sex together ever again. Of course condoms might burst or slip of, but that only happens on a rare occation. Waterbased lube minimises the risk. Even if the condom do burst it doesnt automatically mean high risk of exposure. Must likely you will notice the condom slipped of and pull out immediately. I'm not saying exposure to HIV is impossible wearing a condom. I'm saying its so far out your more likely to die in a terrorist attack then from getting HIV when you have protected sex.
Nothing is 100% certain in this life. You can get a brick in the head going out the door, yet people still go outdoors. You can get a heart-attack in your bed. The thing is to not unnecceraily expose yourself to high risks, or seek danger that drastically differs from the "dailylife risks"

Other STDs have higher risks of exposure, even if wearing a condom, but most are curable. Yes, Herpes isnt curable but its not a danger to your health. You wont die from it. As far as I'm concerned the only other STD than HIV you can die from is Hepatetis B (and C but less likely to transmit sexually). But 95% of the ones that does get infected gets rid of the virus. A few of the last 5% gets their liver damaged and increased risk of livercancer. However Condom offers a good protection against exposure to HepB, and if your in high risk of getting it you can always get yourself vaxinated.

In the event that you are having sex with an HIV+ person and the condom bursts, or slips off, your best course of action is to get to an emergency room immediately, and you will be placed on a very high level of a antiretroviral medications. You will also be tested periodically to make sure that you have not in fact contracted HIV.

Also be mindful that HIV, is not AIDS. Also be aware that neither HIV nor AIDS carry the same automatic 'death sentence' that people felt it did in the early 80s at its genesis.

With early detection, monitoring, medication, and a healthy life style, people with HIV can and do live healthy productive lives.

It goes without saying that the fear of contracting an STD, is highly emotionally charged, and ones's rational thought process can be overwhelmed with fear.

Perhaps the best tool to alleviate some of that angst is to Educate yourself about STDs, the LIFE YOU SAVE MAY BE YOUR OWN.

Finally, I have included some incubation periods, and STD window periods:

Specific STD Window Periods

Gonorrhea
The incubation period for Gonorrhea is usually 2 to 7 days.

Chlamydia
The incubation period for Chlamydia is usually 2 to 6 weeks, but can be longer.

Syphilis
The incubation period for Syphilis is usually 10 to 90 days.

HIV
The window period for HIV is usually 2 weeks to 3 months, but could be up to 6 months.

Hepatitis A
The incubation period for Hepatitis A is 15 to 50 days.

Hepatitis B
The incubation period for Hepatitis B is usually 45-180 days, with an average of 60 to 90 days.

Hepatitis C
The incubation period for Hepatitis C ranges from 2 weeks to 6 months - commonly, 6 to 9 weeks.

Talk with your partner about herpes & warts
There are no tests for genital warts and herpes tests are not necessarily useful. Herpes cultures require an active lesion to be present and herpes blood tests do not indicate whether the infection is genital or oral. Most people test positive on herpes blood tests because they were exposed to the virus orally as a child. It is therefore a good idea to discuss these 2 diseases with any new partner. Have you or your partner ever had genital herpes or cold sores on the mouth? Have either of you ever had genital warts diagnosed? Both of these diseases are common and having had either or both should not necessarily interfere with your relationship. Discussing these 2 diseases early in a relationship can reduce the chance of transmission.

Test later
As the incubation period for Chlamydia is up to 6 weeks, you can test at or after 6 weeks from the start of your relationship. It makes sense to test for gonorrhea at the same time. The blood tests - syphilis, HIV and possibly hepatitis - can be taken at 3 months. Most results would show up on an HIV and hepatitis test within 3 months of infection, but these tests can be repeated 6 months into the relationship to fully cover the window period.

[Levam]

Finally, I have included some incubation periods, and STD window periods:

Specific STD Window Periods

Gonorrhea
The incubation period for Gonorrhea is usually 2 to 7 days.

Chlamydia
The incubation period for Chlamydia is usually 2 to 6 weeks, but can be longer.

Syphilis
The incubation period for Syphilis is usually 10 to 90 days.

HIV
The window period for HIV is usually 2 weeks to 3 months, but could be up to 6 months.

Hepatitis A
The incubation period for Hepatitis A is 15 to 50 days.

Hepatitis B
The incubation period for Hepatitis B is usually 45-180 days, with an average of 60 to 90 days.

Hepatitis C
The incubation period for Hepatitis C ranges from 2 weeks to 6 months - commonly, 6 to 9 weeks.

Talk with your partner about herpes & warts
There are no tests for genital warts and herpes tests are not necessarily useful. Herpes cultures require an active lesion to be present and herpes blood tests do not indicate whether the infection is genital or oral. Most people test positive on herpes blood tests because they were exposed to the virus orally as a child. It is therefore a good idea to discuss these 2 diseases with any new partner. Have you or your partner ever had genital herpes or cold sores on the mouth? Have either of you ever had genital warts diagnosed? Both of these diseases are common and having had either or both should not necessarily interfere with your relationship. Discussing these 2 diseases early in a relationship can reduce the chance of transmission.

Test later
As the incubation period for Chlamydia is up to 6 weeks, you can test at or after 6 weeks from the start of your relationship. It makes sense to test for gonorrhea at the same time. The blood tests - syphilis, HIV and possibly hepatitis - can be taken at 3 months. Most results would show up on an HIV and hepatitis test within 3 months of infection, but these tests can be repeated 6 months into the relationship to fully cover the window period.

I see incubation times varies a little from place to place. When I consulted medical advice some months ago the incubation times I got was:

Gonorrhea: 1 day - 2 weeks
Chlamydia: 5-14 days
Syphilis: 2-4 weeks
Hepatitis A: 2-6 weeks
Hepatitis B: 1-6 months
Hepatitis C: 1-6 months
6 weeks usually being long enough to detect Hepatitis in a blood test

HIV: With the "new" testing method combining the antistofftest with the antigentest (looking for both the virus - antigene, and a reaction from the bodies immune system (antistof) the time for diagnosis has been reduced to 8 weeks. This is considered as sure as it gets. If you take the test after 1 month with this method its looked upon as 95% sure. But not all places takes use of the new testing method. At least its common in most laboratories where I live. I dont know whats common practice in the US

Please note that I am not saying your incubation times are wrong. I am simply writing down what I got when I consulted medical help on incubation times quite some time ago.