So, I decided to be a TS.

[Martin C.]

There is a long road to do this, but now, I am preparing to assume I am a Ts. I'm going to say everything, since the beginning.

[LilyRox]

You're living a fantasy

[SanDiegoPervySage]

Oh, is that how it works?...

[Stavros]

The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single snip.

[natina]

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So we gotta put you on the FastTrack

You need
Laser hair removal /electrolysis for your face, back, chest,legs,ext

You need
4 ribs removed and waist training
Hormones and an Orchiectomy
FFS in Thailand
Butt , hip ,cheek bones and breast enhancement

[Torris]

The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single snip.

That is brilliant!

[LilyRox]

Anyone reading this now he linked to sissy hypno porn, just a complete joke. I believe in some hypnosis, even for feminization, but like 90% of it is just fake jack off porn. I listen to relaxing frequencies while I sleep.

[Stavros]

So we gotta put you on the FastTrack
You need
Laser hair removal /electrolysis for your face, back, chest,legs,ext
You need
4 ribs removed and waist training
Hormones and an Orchiectomy
FFS in Thailand
Butt , hip ,cheek bones and breast enhancement

A friend of mine had SRS just over a year ago.
Did she need-

Laser hair removal? No.
4 ribs removed? No.
Hormones? Yes.
Orchiectomy? No.
FFS in Thailand? No.
But enhancement? No.
Hip enhancement? No.
Cheek bone enhancement? No.
Breast enhancement? Yes.

You can't presume that everyone starting their transition looks like Mike Pompeo.

[Nick Danger]

You can't presume that everyone starting their transition looks like Mike Pompeo.

Stavros, Stavros, Stavros - I must admit that up to this point I was unaware that you had a sense of humor.

[MrFanti]

Which brings up a question that's destined to fire up emotions...

"What is 'Transgender' defined?"

- Is it simply only how one identifies?
- For MTF, should it 'require' SRS?
- For FTM, should it 'require' SRS addition of penis?
- Is it hormone treatment only?
- Is it a combination of some things?
- Is it surgeries but no hormones?

I wonder what the Olympic and professional athletic communities use?

[MrFanti]

Did she need-

L.

You mean "did she want"....

[LilyRox]

Which brings up a question that's destined to fire up emotions...

"What is 'Transgender' defined?"

- Is it simply only how one identifies?
- For MTF, should it 'require' SRS?
- For FTM, should it 'require' SRS addition of penis?
- Is it hormone treatment only?
- Is it a combination of some things?
- Is it surgeries but no hormones?

I wonder what the Olympic and professional athletic communities use?

You can be dressed as your biological sex and still be transgender. Transgender isn't defined by wearing certain clothes or conforming to typical masculine or feminine values. Its a state of mind. You can wear tuxedos, have a beard, and still identify as female inside your mind. Most people aren't going to like that logic, but its the truth.

Transgender is really an umbrella term referring to any type of gender change. Non-binary, Genderqueer, Transsexuals, etc.

Transsexual is most likely the term you really meant which is just referring to someone that identifies as the opposite sex and pretty much the same applies. Being transsexual isn't defined by wearing certain clothes, makeup, surgery, or hormones. Transsexual however you must at least try to pass as the opposite sex. Some don't require surgery/hormones to feel comfortable or pass.

I personally believe its also not something learned. I know I'm coming off as some SJW know it all, but this is stuff I knew like 10 years ago.

[MrFanti]

You can be dressed as your biological sex and still be transgender. Transgender isn't defined by wearing certain clothes or conforming to typical masculine or feminine values. Its a state of mind.

Transsexual is most likely the term you really meant which is just referring to someone that identifies as the opposite sex and pretty much the same applies. Being transsexual isn't defined by wearing certain clothes, makeup, surgery, or hormones. Transsexual however you must at least try to pass as the opposite sex. Some don't require surgery/hormones to feel comfortable or pass.

How would you apply this to professional athletics participation?

[LilyRox]

How would you apply this to professional athletics participation?

I'm not into sports at all so I'm probably not the right person to ask because I would just say that pretty much no trans should be allowed to compete against biological females or biological males, unless they started hormones before puberty (which is a very small amount of trans).

Ex) Biological boy starts hormones at 12 and is allowed to compete against females.

There's scientific data that there's virtually no advantage to boys vs girls in sports until puberty hits.

I don't even think a sports competition purely for trans would be fair, there's just too many factors hormones and people at different stages in their transition. I personally don't see how not allowing trans to compete would be that controversial for actual trans. I would give up anything to transition.

[MrFanti]

I'm not into sports at all so I'm probably not the right person to ask because I would just say that pretty much no trans should be allowed to compete against biological females or biological males, unless they started hormones before puberty (which is a very small amount of trans).

Ex) Biological boy starts hormones at 12 and is allowed to compete against females.

There's scientific data that there's virtually no advantage to boys vs girls in sports until puberty hits.

I don't even think a sports competition purely for trans would be fair, there's just too many factors hormones and people at different stages in their transition. I personally don't see how not allowing trans to compete would be that controversial for actual trans. I would give up anything to transition.

Points taken.
I'm not one to judge or make decisions on it either.

That being said, genetically speaking, men are taller than women. Thus when it comes to high school/college/pro basketball, do you think taller MTF athletes would have an advantage over genetic women basketball players?

[Stavros]

You mean "did she want"....

She got what she wanted, having acquired what she needed. Can't judge all cases on a list of requirements drawn up by Natina, I would have thought that was obvious.

[Laphroaig]

I don't even think a sports competition purely for trans would be fair, there's just too many factors hormones and people at different stages in their transition.

In theory could be done though. Think of all the different disability categories in the Para-Olympics. I doubt all of them are 100% fair, but it does at least allow them the opportunity to compete.

I do think there are serious concerns about allowing transgenders to compete directly against genetic females, but it appears that voicing these concerns at the moment just leads to allegations of discrimination and trans phobia. Look at the overreaction to Martina Navratilova's recent comments.

[LilyRox]

Points taken.
I'm not one to judge or make decisions on it either.

That being said, genetically speaking, men are taller than women. Thus when it comes to high school/college/pro basketball, do you think taller MTF athletes would have an advantage over genetic women basketball players?

Hormones do affect height. If you take HRT before puberty your bone growth will be stunned. It doesn't reverse bone growth though if you take hormones after puberty. Anorexia during puberty also stuns bone growth which I believe is why my body is on the small side.

[MrFanti]

She got what she wanted, having acquired what she needed. Can't judge all cases on a list of requirements drawn up by Natina, I would have thought that was obvious.
There's a distinct difference between "need" and "want" - that's obvious as well.

[MrFanti]

Hormones do affect height. If you take HRT before puberty your bone growth .
Which is another discussion in and of itself.
I wonder what percentage of current trans women (if I'm using the correct terminology) started HRT before/after puberty.

[MrFanti]

I do think there are serious concerns about allowing transgenders to compete directly against genetic females, but it appears that voicing these concerns at the moment just leads to allegations of discrimination and trans phobia. Look at the overreaction to Martina Navratilova's recent comments.

Yes.
It's getting tough to discuss things nowadays without over-reaction and labeling....

[LilyRox]

Which is another discussion in and of itself.
I wonder what percentage of current trans women (if I'm using the correct terminology) started HRT before/after puberty.

I'm guessing, but I'm pretty sure most in their 20's. There will be more younger ones now though with more information out there.

[rodinuk]

The first step is a psychological assessment in the UK at least.

[Stevie.Thomas]

A good first step would be to reach out to local or national charities, they could put you in contact with support groups and current information.

A quick google search and you will find a lot of groups that are willing to help.

[filghy2]

There's a distinct difference between "need" and "want" - that's obvious as well.

"You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you just might find you get what you need."


Yes.
It's getting tough to discuss things nowadays without over-reaction and labeling....

You're right there Mr Fanti. Can you believe what somebody posted in another thread today on UK porn laws?

"We'll need to revisit this thread as Sharia expands within the upcoming years in the U.K....But hey, if you're for Sharia Law and all that comes with it, more power to you!"

Apparently it's also getting tough to start a thread without somebody trying to hijack it by bringing up their pet hobby horses.

[Fitzcarraldo]

I know I'm coming off as some SJW know it all, but this is stuff I knew like 10 years ago.

Well, if you don't know what you're talking about, we're all in trouble!

[natina]

1st step is to get rid of most of that nasty make hormone testosterone with two (2) snips. Snip snip....

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Step
#(2)


Next step is electrolysis and or laser hair removal
Face, butt,bikini area,legs,chest,back,arms,hips,ass and taint areas

[LilyRox]

I love you natina

[natina]

I love me too

[natina]

3rd step is crowd funding and FFS

FFS to remove feminine,alter and replace ...
Square jaw
Square chin
Remove brow bossing
Feminise hair line
Feminise eyebrows
Liproll surgery
Lip plumping
Cheek bone rafting
Adams Apple reduction
Hair transplantation
Alter forehead
rhinoplasty

Forth step is Cinderella Foot surgery and butt,hip,breast enhancement then 4 rib removal and waist training plus LaserLipo.

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[natina]

A friend of mine had SRS just over a year ago.
Did she need-

Laser hair removal? No.
4 ribs removed? No.
Hormones? Yes.
Orchiectomy? No.
FFS in Thailand? No.
But enhancement? No.
Hip enhancement? No.
Cheek bone enhancement? No.
Breast enhancement? Yes.

You can't presume that everyone starting their transition looks like Mike Pompeo.

Why you wanna get SRS without getting FFS 1st?
I don't wanna look like a man and a women at the same time cause it looks obnoxious and it shows that you stoped taking HRT and male characteristics came back ontop of female characteristic
yuck! and obnoxious!

[natina]

there is a long road to do this, but now, i am preparing to assume i am a ts. I'm going to say everything, since the beginning.

hurry up and get the male two poison bags snip snip snipped before you get too much more yucky testosterone poisoning your system...

[Stavros]

Why you wanna get SRS without getting FFS 1st?


-Because she didn't need it, duh! She is an individual with unique chacteristics, not a Barbie Doll. And guess what, she is married, has a job, a cat and can cook. Funny old world, innit?

[natina]

You will love longer if you Snip shop

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?71109-testosterone-to-blame-for-men%92s-shortened-lives/page2

[natina]

You will live longer if you Snip sniptestosterone to blame for men’s shortened lives

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?71109-testosterone-to-blame-for-men%92s-shortened-lives

[natina]

If you got them BAlls
I can get them Chopped

[LilyRox]

If you got them BAlls
I can get them Chopped

Thailand?

[natina]

$125.00 USA or 5000 Thailand BHT

[LilyRox]

Thats cheapppppp. I will remember this.

[natina]

It's not cheap in Thailand

[LilyRox]

It's not cheap in Thailand

I know :P

[natina]

5,000 BHT is a great deal of money in Thailand

[crazyeditor]

3rd step is crowd funding and FFS

FFS to remove feminine,alter and replace ...
Square jaw
Square chin
Remove brow bossing
Feminise hair line
Feminise eyebrows
Liproll surgery
Lip plumping
Cheek bone rafting
Adams Apple reduction
Hair transplantation
Alter forehead
rhinoplasty

Forth step is Cinderella Foot surgery and butt,hip,breast enhancement then 4 rib removal and waist training plus LaserLipo.

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Not all transitioning need all this stuff, some are naturally predisposed to allot of it

[crazyeditor]

There's a distinct difference between "need" and "want" - that's obvious as well.

Well put Mr Fanti. Sorry Natina, you are just taking a stab at it. This is how it really goes. I am deeply involved with a TS woman so I have a little insight.
Gender tests
Therapy/Counseling
Name change
Driver’s license
Birth certificate
Passport
Hormones
Hair removal
Voice
Movement
clothing
Skin care
Makeup
Hormones hormones hormones
Cutting off your balls or complete SRS would be a last step, any surgery - big step, needs to be considered over and over while the other things mentioned above have their effect

[natina]

Voice surgery and or voice training therapy Makeup classesHair , nail , walking in high heels and facial aethetics classes. ..Sephoras makeup classes for TG'shttps://m.sephora.com/happening/home

[natina]

Sephora is offering a new series of classes celebrating inclusivity and catering to the transgender and nonbinary community.The classes are the third initiative in a series of in-store programming that Sephora launched in 2016 with Classes for Confidence, complimentary in-store workshops for people experiencing major life transitions. Sephoras makeup classes for TG'shttps://m.sephora.com/happening/homehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D69o6RhTEM

[natina]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnL4UyHlHrI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElULumW7ago

[natina]

Simple orchiectomy for transgender patients

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=840oej-7KmU

[Martin C.]

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[Martin C.]

I removed my body hair nowadays...

[natina]

You can get some sperm stored to have kids but you
NEED AN ORCHIECTOMY QUICKLY TO STOP ALL THAT TESTOSTERONE POISONING YOUR BODY NOW!