Possible War with Russia over Syria

[bluesoul]

unless china steps in (i'm guessing it will soon) looks like it's possible war with russia over syria since trump doesn't seem to want to talk things over any longer. weird, isn't this the guy that promised he'd get us to be friends with russia in like- a week. now supposedly our relationships are so heated we're looking at attacking one another's missiles.

well, at least i know every gun happy, red blooded, NRA card carrying patriot will be signing up to go fight in the front lines since it'll be the only time they get to use their shooter legally and in actual self defense rather than a cowardly attack again some an innocent person.

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984032798821568513


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[buttslinger]

Is this another Acme Attempt by Wile E Coyote against Road Runner (Trump V Mueller) or is Trump going to bumble us into WWIII over the weekend? No telling who Trump is talking to anymore, but he sounds like he's losing it.

[trish]

Anyone, I mean anyone, who was a ‘birther’ back in ’08 had already ‘lost it’, if by ‘it’ you mean their sanity.

The fact that Fox ‘News’ could let a reporter get away with the terrorist-fist-bump remark and not fire her, shows that the Fox network had already lost touch with the concept of truth, integrity and reality back then too.

The squelching feedback you hear coming from Trump’s bedroom every morning is him and his Fox friends straining to tear and annihilate the warp and woof of their perceived reality. As they attempt to rip truth asunder their sickness ripples and tweets through our political and personal connections. Our bellies turn. Soon the whole world will be forced to heave. Not even the Gods can predict the havoc that will ensue.

[peejaye]

This BASTARD is itching to get in there too, bank balance needs a boost I guess?:hide-1:

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[bluesoul]

No telling who Trump is talking to anymore, but he sounds like he's losing it.

the only other person he's always talking to: himself. trump doesn't use twitter for a dialogue otherwise he'd use the official POTUS, but he uses his personal account which is him just rambling his thoughts like the time when he stayed up all night until 3am just so he could tweet his thoughts on s (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827477947154063361)chwarzenegger's performance on the apprentice (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/827477947154063361).

so this tweet isn't about russia, or syria. it's about him.

[daltx_m]

let's light this candle

[sukumvit boy]

The proxy war with Russia and Iran continues...
US, UK and France strike Syria

htps://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/world/middleeast/trump-strikes-syria-attack.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/world/middleeast/trump-strikes-syria-attack.html)

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/27/world/asia/north-korea-syria-chemical-weapons-sanctions.html

[bluesoul]

^^ well, that was stupid.

[peejaye]

Yesterday there was hope..... but the inevitable was bound to happen!
They actually bombed the place during the night on a Syrian religious holiday, barbaric set of cunts!

[Stavros]

According to reports so far:

The US, UK and France fired 103 missiles over a 70-minute period, compared with 59 launched by the US in an attack on Syria last year.

The RAF hit a former missile base 15 miles west of Homs, where Syria is accused of keeping a stockpile of chemical weapons precursors. The other targets for the US and France were a scientific research centre on the outskirts of Damascus and a chemical equipment storage facility and command post.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/14/allies-dispute-russian-and-syrian-claims-of-shot-down-missiles

Having warned his Russian friends in advance of his intentions so that any valuable materials could be removed from those sites, the cult leader now brays 'Mission accomplished'. Millions of dollars would be better spent educating American, French and British children, but in a cult it is a victory when air strikes destroy filing cabinets and a fax machine and blow some holes in the ground.

Tomorrow, and tomorrow and tomorrow, the killing will continue.

[peejaye]

You obviously weren't informed but millions of pounds could of been saved here in the UK too :puke

[Stavros]

You obviously weren't informed but millions of pounds could of been saved here in the UK too :puke

And this is what I wrote, with added emphasis for those with no access to Specsavers-

Millions of dollars would be better spent educating American, French and British children

[peejaye]

Having warned his Russian friends in advance of his intentions so that any valuable materials could be removed from those sites, the cult leader now brays 'Mission accomplished'. Millions of dollars would be better spent educating American, French and British children, but in a cult it is a victory when air strikes destroy filing cabinets and a fax machine and blow some holes in the ground.

Tomorrow, and tomorrow and tomorrow, the killing will continue.

Why you blaming Trump for money being wasted in France & UK? YOU had a chance to remove this scum(May) from office & replace her with a man who deplores war but you decided to "bottle it" so shut up fucking bitching & fuck your crocodile tears!

[buttslinger]

This is scary territory. Because Chemical Weapons should be responded to, but not by a President in so far over his head. What, is Trump getting advice from Dick Cheney, now? Surreal.

[peejaye]

This would of put a few big snouts out of joint! ;

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russia-Is-Taking-Over-Syrias-Oil-And-Gas.html

[Stavros]

Why you blaming Trump for money being wasted in France & UK? YOU had a chance to remove this scum(May) from office & replace her with a man who deplores war but you decided to "bottle it" so shut up fucking bitching & fuck your crocodile tears!

Peejaye it is a pity you do not deploy the full spectrum of your intellectual gifts debating the issues, you know as well as I do that I participated in the last General Election and that Theresa May scraped back into power while Labour failed to win a majority (but did win in my constituency).

If you read my post again you will find that I criticize the US, and France, and the UK for wasting money on a bombing raid that may well end the use of chemical weapons in Syria for a while, but will not stop the war, and that the money would be better spent by each party educating the children (and, indeed, the adults) in their respective countries.

Moreover, because Mrs May remains in power through a deal she made with the DUP she did not have the moral right to order the RAF to take off from their base in Cyprus and launch missiles from there -she has the legal power, but with such a slender grip on power she ought to have consulted Parliament. Instead, she has remained loyal to a foul-mouthed con-man unfit to be President because she is desperate to find markets for the UK when this country leaves the EU and thinks the USA will be it.

That she may have made the UK a target for retaliation by the Russians, who perceive the UK to be a 'soft target' only aggravates the rank stupidity of her decision.

As for Corbyn -is he going to table a motion of no confidence in the government?

[peejaye]

They would of still dropped bombs even if Brexit hadn't happened. That's one of the main reasons among many others why those evil bastards must be got rid of as soon as....they've known all week they were going in, just a matter of when.

[broncofan]

I trust Corbyn supporters to sniff out the real culprits;. Assad is a doctor afterall. It's difficult to decide what policy choices are appropriate when one group has not even the most tenuous grip on reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D3c-MHr87w

[broncofan]

I trust Corbyn supporters to sniff out the real culprits;. Assad is a doctor afterall. It's difficult to decide what policy choices are appropriate when one group has not even the most tenuous grip on reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D3c-MHr87w
I oppose the strikes for a number of reasons. I was wondering though whether we can separate positive from normative judgements and discuss what we think happened in Syria and whether Assad has used chemical weapons on civilians once again?

Is there anyone on this forum who believes that maybe it was the British intelligence services who did it, or that maybe chemical weapons weren't used at all but it is a western lie? What about Tony Blair? Did he do it? It used to be that one could count on these views to be extremely rare, but I've seen a lot of support for these conspiracy theories from unfortunate places. How common is the woman above's view? I wish I could say I thought it was rare.

[filghy2]

IIt used to be that one could count on these views to be extremely rare, but I've seen a lot of support for these conspiracy theories from unfortunate places. How common is the woman above's view? I wish I could say I thought it was rare.

I think it's just the typical logic of tribalists, whether left or right - whatever the opposing side is against must be good and whatever they are in favour of must be bad. The internet has made it much easier for such people to find and share 'information' that confirms their preconceptions and to block out that which doesn't.

[Stavros]

I oppose the strikes for a number of reasons. I was wondering though whether we can separate positive from normative judgements and discuss what we think happened in Syria and whether Assad has used chemical weapons on civilians once again?
Is there anyone on this forum who believes that maybe it was the British intelligence services who did it, or that maybe chemical weapons weren't used at all but it is a western lie? What about Tony Blair? Did he do it? It used to be that one could count on these views to be extremely rare, but I've seen a lot of support for these conspiracy theories from unfortunate places. How common is the woman above's view? I wish I could say I thought it was rare.

There was a time when evidence was presented to back up a claim, but these days the internet and biased tv reporting can tell lies for political purposes undermining the quality of journalism to the extent that it runs the risk of removing truth from reporting to the extent that people stop believing what they read and hear, and may decide not to bother voting which is what the elites who benefit most from the State prefer.

Thus, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh are currently claiming Robert Mueller was directly involved in the false imprisonment of four men in Boston to protect notorious crime lord Whitey Bulger even though there is no evidence for it, not least because the case involved a different man. The truth doesn't matter, smearing and undermining the reputation of Robert Mueller is all that matters, because even if they later apologize (unlikely) they will have done their work. This is how Rupert Murdoch has helped his political friends, through unprincipled lying that sells papers, that keeps Fox News going. You focus on the end game -smear Mueller, protect the President- then everything is allowed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/18/opinion/robert-mueller-smearing-complicit.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

Is it just a coincidence that the chemical attack in Damascus took place a week after the so-called 'President' of the USA said he wanted to withdraw US troops from Syria? Think of it as a typical Russian manoeuvre, to test the American's resolve. But note too the threat to Russia that came tweeting from the White House 'Get ready, Russia', but followed up by an aerial bombardment that was as far away from Russian targets as it could be. Another coincidence?

Why should Vladimir Putin, or either Bashar or Maher al-Asad care if Syrians are attacked with chemicals weapons, or killed or injured, or left homeless, or forced out of the country to live as refugees anywhere from Jordan to Berlin? You can go back to the siege of Hama in 1982 to document the response of people opposed to the brutal rule of the Ba'ath Party (that's the party created by Arab Christians like Michel Aflaq using the Nazi Party as its model for its 'Arab Socialism', national style), and if that isn't enough, read up on the daily round-up of Syrians opposed to the Ba'ath Party since 1970, not just the wholesale slaughter that has been taking place since 2011, and then ask how any sane person could say what that woman says in the YouTube clip. But she has no intellect, no knowledge of the actual history of Syria, but a cause to fight for that is fed by loyalists of the Syrian government she is friends with, just as you can find people who will tell you without blushing that life in Syria, Iraq and Libya was stable and prosperous before 'the west' intervened to create the chaos you see today by overthrowing (or attempting to overthrow) the government.

The internet is not a curse or a blessing, it is just a vehicle that can be used and abused, like a car, a screwdriver or a pen. We can only do what we can to speak truth to power, to bear witness to crime and inhumanity, and hope that in the long term the truth will be seen for what it is. Otherwise, what is the point of all this?

[DaphneCruz]

Why is there a war in Syria? Somebody enlighten me.

[filghy2]

Why is there a war in Syria? Somebody enlighten me.

Like most things in the Middle East it's complicated, but you could start here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War The short answer is that it started as a civil war between a brutal dictator's regime and various groups who opposed it for differing reasons, and various outsiders have since got involved for their own reasons.