Is Kushner Cooked?

[bluesoul]

if he isn't, at least something's cooking and it doesn't small good

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kushners-legal-team-looks-to-hire-crisis-public-relations-firm/2017/12/15/6fbf144c-e1c3-11e7-9eb6-e3c7ecfb4638_story.html

[buttslinger]

When I was in my twenties, I had lots of different jobs, when I worked at the Library of Congress, two young FBI agents showed up one day, and you could tell from 100 yards away, man, those dudes were sharp as tacks. I was also a mailman in McLean and for a while I used to drive the afternoon collection route which included the CIA at Langley. One time I was running real late and on the winding entrance road I almost flipped one of those piece-o-shit too-tall collection trucks, I ended up careening 75 yards into the front yard of the CIA. Coming out during the afternoon crawl, however, those tall right hand drive trucks gave me an awesome LEG SHOW straight down into the cars of those CIA-Quality secretaries and what I saw was ....Very Impressive.
Trump, on the other hand, has surrounded himself with his family, and people of the caliber whose loyalty can be bought. Pence and Sessions were just plain stupid Trump is fucked. By his own past. Mueller is heading straight up the ladder and the picture is not getting wider, it's getting tighter with each rung. Back to the Future. I think Mueller has everybody in the White House if he wants them. Nobody can be innocent and work in that White House.
I can't imagine Kushner flipping on his Father-in-Law, no deal for that cocksucker, he's going down. Like Chinatown, Charlie Brown. Poor Ivanka....
Jared's on tape colluding with Russians. That might be legal on Fox News, but nowhere else I ever heard of.
If Trump laundered Russian Money within the last five years, that's black and white conviction, right there. The Money Trail. On paper. In black and white. Everybody else are going to be the collateral damage of Trump's greed. Lock him up!!

[Stavros]

if he isn't, at least something's cooking and it doesn't small good
l (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kushners-legal-team-looks-to-hire-crisis-public-relations-firm/2017/12/15/6fbf144c-e1c3-11e7-9eb6-e3c7ecfb4638_story.html)

I deduced this from imperfect reports a week or so ago in the Presidency thread-

Court documents show that Mr Flynn told investigators that on December 29, he called "a senior transition official", who was with other members of the team at Mr Trump’s Mar-a-Lago club in Florida “to discuss what, if anything, to communicate to the Russian ambassador about the US sanctions”.
But, Jared Kushner was not at Mar-a-Lago on the 29th, he was in Hawaii.
My rusty maths reckons that leaves two people in the frame for the 29th, unless there are others who have not been identified.

Could the 'missing link' be, not the son-in-law but the son? As in DJ Junior, the one who chops off elephant tails?

[broncofan]

When I was in my twenties, I had lots of different jobs, when I worked at the Library of Congress, two young FBI agents showed up one day, and you could tell from 100 yards away, man, those dudes were sharp as tacks.
The main problem for Trump is that he did not find a balance between loyalty and competence. Although I don't think loyalty should be a consideration at all in making appointments, inevitably it's taken into consideration. But usually the functionaries are highly qualified individuals who have had long careers in whatever field they're overseeing. Even his attorneys have not been chosen well.

I don't know why Kushner is at all concerned about public relations. That ship has sailed. People know that he's unqualified to work in the white house. They know that he got into college and law school through nepotism. They know that he inherited a large real estate empire and made a horrible business decision that might put him in financial jeopardy. They know he purchased a small paper and drove out all the career journalists who all thought he was a moron. And they know everything he has advised the president on, including the decision to fire Comey, has been poison.

I don't know whether Kushner will end up being prosecuted or to what extent a Presidential pardon can save him if the President is a co-conspirator. But I do think he should worry more about having really good legal counsel than trying to save reputation that reflects reality and probably won't change. If the President himself had good legal counsel, they would tell him not to tweet about or discuss anything extemporaneously that deals with the Russia investigation. We know he hasn't followed the directive if he's been given it, and one man who has been making the rounds, Jay Sekulow, has not been impressive in his defense of the president. Another, John Dowd, helped the President lie and may be at risk of being sanctioned by his state bar. This is a rare situation where the team assembled by the special prosecutor includes some of the most qualified individuals you're ever going to see and the team assembled by the man with nearly unlimited financial resources is a bad fit. But who knows whether the President is a good client either.

[buttslinger]

I had a long rambling response to broncofan's post, but I accidentally deleted it. One time my sister got gas in the dentist's chair and suddenly understood life's meaning, she cried for a pen and paper, afterwards, of course, it was all gibberish. I think if I were smart I would just let Mueller and his boys figure our who's cRooked, and who's cooked, because if you ask me they're all crooked. I doubt Melania and Ivanka will go down, but I can only fantasize.

In political jargon, a useful idiot is a person perceived as a propagandist for a cause whose goals they are not fully aware of, and who is used cynically by the leaders of the cause. The KGB practically invented that phrase. To me that explains all of Trump's picks who aren't directly involved in collusion with the Russians.

"when you're a star you can do anything" -Donald Trump
"you can fool some of the people all of the time" -Sean Hannity

oops, I'm rambling again.

[bluesoul]

welp, jared and trump's favorite daughter ivanka just got sued for "illegal omissions on their public financial disclosure forms (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/17/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-sued-financial-disclosures-302240)"

wouldn't it be cool if there was a show called orange is the new trump? donald even has the correct skin color for the show

[Stavros]

Jared and his wife escaped prosecution in New York, others might not have been so blessed-
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-ivanka-trump-and-donald-trump-jr-avoided-a-criminal-indictment

What about the new shop Ivanka has opened in New York?
Ivanka Trump (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/ivanka-trump) has been accused of a "conflict of interest" after her fashion brand opened a shop in New York's Trump Tower (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/trump-tower).
The company's first retail outlet, which sits behind the building's security checkpoint and armed police guards, sells handbags, shoes and jewellery in the lobby of the New York City skyscraper.
Ivanka Trump merchandise had previously only been sold through wholesale distributors and online. Some retailers stopped stocking the brand as sales plummeted (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ivanka-trump-clothing-donald-trump-nordstrom-unfairly-twitter-a7575576.html) following her father's election.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ivanka-trump-opens-shop-trump-tower-fashion-brand-donald-trump-us-president-donald-trump-junior-a8114091.html

-$298 for a handbag sounds downmarket for Manhattan socialites.

[buttslinger]

I saw a TV show once about rich kids who inherited so much money from their rich dads they never had to work a day in their lives, some got jobs, some just socialized, trying to amuse themselves, they had a saying that you weren't really rich until you got sued.
Trump lost billions of dollars in real estate, Atlantic City, a sham Football League, he went bankrupt all the time, that's just how it goes. When a door closes, a window opens. There's always some schmuck ready to tie themselves to Trump's name and hit it big, .....some win, some lose. All that money has to come from somebody.
But the BANKS aren't schmucks, and they quit lending Trump money, so he and Jared and the kids had to go to Russia, where post-USSR Robber Barons had millions of rubles they stole, and needed a corrupt guy to launder it in the West. This is where Mueller is doing his main work, I think, his team is full of guys that are CPA-types that follow the money trail through German and Cyprus banks, etc. To Trump real Estate Deals or Businesses that existed only on paper. That why they busted into Manafort's house.
I used to steal money at my job, I spent it on alcohol, drugs, go-go-girls, hoes, big laughs. All they had to do was look at THE BOOKS, and I'd have been cooked. But I made sure I spent all my ill gotten gains on ill thrills, a double-life, I was superstitious that way, to my co-workers I drove a reasonable car and wore cheap clothes.
Trump's big mouth and Twitter Acct will do in his whole family, We Amerikanskis really are just as devious and self centered as any other country, we let a lot of wrongs go unpunished, but when Putin uses our own President as a Political Asset, that crosses a line. I think in one sense the Trump Family will end up being collateral damage in a fight between US Intelligence and Putin's Intelligence, that's the War that has been on like Donkey Kong for the last 75 years. All the Nuclear Weapons in Russia are aimed at the US.

[Stavros]

He may not be cooked, but he seems to have been goosed, by none other than Bomber Bannon-

As for Kushner, Bannon made little attempt to disguise his contempt. “He doesn’t know anything about the hobbits or the deplorables” – using two ironic terms for Trump supporters.

It was Kushner who reportedly encouraged the president to fire FBI director James Comey, a move that could come back to haunt him during the investigation into alleged collusion with Russia in the election campaign. Bannon said: “It’s the dumbest political decision in modern political history, bar none. A self-inflicted wound of massive proportions.”

I like this one in particular, proving how remote from real life -and the law- these people are:

[Bannon] condemned Ivanka over her handling of the recent US Senate special election in Alabama, where Republican candidate Roy Moore denied accusations of sexual misconduct with teenagers. Ivanka said pointedly during the campaign: “There is a special place in hell for people who prey on children.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/23/steve-bannon-savages-javanka-laying-bare-white-house-tensions

Unless they live in the USA, Ivanka dear, where they can legally marry them.

[buttslinger]

Hey man, there are reports of Ivanka screaming curse words at Bannon, what the fuck is the President's daughter doing in the White House giving orders anyway? We're talking about the President's SON-IN-LAW, for God's sake, This is a Shakespearean Comedy of the lowest order. I feel like I'm sitting in the cheap seats at the Globe Theatre, "A midterm nightmare" is onstage.
Latest rumour has the Fox News/Trump/House team cooking up a vacancy sign for Rudy Giuliani to fill playing the part of ......Rudy Giuliani. Maybe the Republicans have decided that leaked rumors of Trump colluding with Putin are better than Indictments proving it, I mean, would Trump lose his 33% even if they had pictures of him and Russians laughing it up in the White House right after he fired the head of the FBI? Facts have no bearing in this administration.

Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and caldron bubble.

https://preview.ibb.co/denrC6/85.jpg (https://ibb.co/i3rJs6)

[Stavros]

I feel like I'm sitting in the cheap seats at the Globe Theatre,

The cheapest seats at the Globe were, and are, not seats at all, but standing up in the pit. This would all be 'stand up' if it were not in fact the government of the United States of America.

[bluesoul]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxSQEpRn8ZI

[bluesoul]

someone's goose is cooking; who is it?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-lawyer-seeks-stop-publication-white-house-tell-all-book-n834636

[Stavros]

Difficult to assess this book -Bannon has not denied -so far- the statements he is alleged to have made; whereas Tony Blair has dismissed the claims made about him as without foundation. It may be entertaining to know that the President has an elaborate comb over and a diet based mostly on junk food (this was also true of Bill Clinton); that he does not sleep in the same bed as his wife, that NOBODY touches his toothbrush, and so on, and so on.

But this is the Presidency, it is not a tv show, or an article about two Hollywood superstars who hate each other splashed over the centre pages of the National Inquirer. Whatever your political views, the extent to which the Office of the Presidency is being undermined is extraordinary. We thought Nixon was a unique case, that it could never happen again. I am not an American, but I see a much valued political system under assault and it worries me, just as I worry that the UK's exit from the EU may have outcomes that threaten the integrity of the country, and lead to bitterness and division never seen since the civil war pitted Roundheads against Royalists. It may sound ludicrous, but ludicrous is becoming the 'new normal'. To nobody's benefit.

[Stavros]

Not sure if Kushner is cooked, or if he has been, as it were, cooking:

Donald Trump (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/DonaldTrump)'s son-in-law Jared (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/jared-kushner)Kushner (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/jared-kushner)'s real estate business reportedly received loans worth more than half a billion dollars from two companies after meeting with executives at the White House (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/white-house).
Kushner Companies, received substantial loans from Citigroup and private equity group Apollo Global Management last year, The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/business/jared-kushner-apollo-citigroup-loans.html) reported.
Apollo's $184m (£133m) loan in November was to help refinance the mortgage on a Chicago skyscraper and Citigroup's $325m (£236m) in the spring of 2017, went towards financing office buildings in New York.
One of the founders of Apollo Global Management, Joshua Harris, made frequent visits to the White House early last year, the newspaper reported.
Sources told The Times that Mr Kushner, whose security clearance was downgraded (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jared-kushner-security-clearance-donald-trump-white-house-john-kelly-crackdown-secret-files-a8231811.html) earlier this week, discussed the possibility of a White House job for the private equity billionaire.
“This is exactly why senior government officials, for as long back as I have any experience, don’t maintain any active outside business interests," Don Fox, former acting director of the Office of Government Ethics under Barack Obama (http://www.independent.co.uk/topic/BarackObama), told the newspaper. "The appearance of conflicts of interest is simply too great.”
But a spokesperson for Mr Kushner's lawyer said he "has taken no part of any business, loans or projects with or for" Kushner Companies since joining the White House.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jared-kushner-white-house-business-loans-intelligence-top-secret-clearance-conflict-interests-a8234326.html

They're all out to get me! I think the lad is out of his depth and should go back to New York where I am sure he can rip off new customers with his fabulous property deals.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jared-kushner-donald-trump-white-house-business-loans-security-clearance-russia-investigation-ivanka-a8235031.html

[broncofan]

He can return to New York real estate where he's gonna rip people off and also maybe go broke because he made one of the dumbest decisions I've ever heard of. Hate to harp on this but the man inherited an empire and immediately turned it into an empire of distress by purchasing a building for 1.8 billion dollars that according to those who reasonably appraise these things was worth 1 billion dollars max.

Now, this may be out of my pay grade (I've never purchased a skyscraper) but no matter how much fancy finance and re-financing, he still has the fundamental problem that he paid almost double what a building is worth. He may think, "where's the skill in that, never paying vastly more for something than it's worth! That's for amateurs! I'm Jared Kushner."

I can almost guarantee that someone at the Office of Government Ethics had a discussion with him or tried to initiate one when he made his disclosures. His poor-me routine doesn't wash. People in government service typically aren't negotiating hundreds of millions of dollars worth of loans with people they're having conversations with in a dual capacity...

He has no business being in government. He will be lucky to salvage the businesses he inherited. I have no idea whether he can squirm out of all this. I don't know all the facts so I can't comment on whether he deserves to. But the sins are vanity and stupidity at a minimum.

[bluesoul]

FBI is currently investigating one of ivanka trump's international business deals.

so recap:

trump jr is under investigation
kushner is under investigation
trump is under investigation
ivanka is under investigation

now we just need the FBI to look into eric and tiffany's account and we can complete the great (ish) circle of (criminal) life

https://www.thedailybeast.com/report-fbi-probing-ivanka-business-deal

[buttslinger]

I heard Mattel plans to cancel the "Ivanka & Jared" line from their BARBIE Collection........

https://image.ibb.co/fCe6xc/1505934711658f74_l.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
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[Stavros]

With so many people sacked, running for the hills or under suspicion, how much longer can Kushner last, or is it the case that with so few friends, his father-in-law needs him more than ever? Oh, and the rule of law? Hmmm...

US legislators have asked the FBI investigate presidential adviser Jared Kushner (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/jared-kushner)over reports that he disclosed classified information to the crown prince of Saudi Arabia (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/saudi-arabia).
The FBI must open an investigation into possible “unauthorised disclosures of information” by Donald Trump’s (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/DonaldTrump) son-in-law, six Democratic representatives wrote in a letter to the bureau.
The request was spurred by reports that Mr Kushner told Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman) the names of royal family members who were opposed to him – information the adviser allegedly gained from Mr Trump’s daily briefing.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jared-kushner-mohammad-bin-salman-links-saudi-arabia-us-visit-fbi-investigation-democrats-a8280001.html

[broncofan]

https://thinkprogress.org/the-kushners-mysterious-1-2-billion-bailout-92f6c12de50c/

[bluesoul]

kushner companies got subpoenaed this afternoon by investigators looking into whether the real estate company had filed false paperwork that claimed it served zero rent regulated tenants.

"kushner companies has nothing to hide and is cooperating fully with all legitimate requests for information, including this subpoena. we believe that this subpoena, which has already been complied with, was issued based solely on an article that appeared in the press the day before it was issued.”

that was from a spokeswoman for the kushner companies and the article in the press she's talking about is the one below:

https://apnews.com/amp/002703e70347481cb993027d04f543cc?__twitter_impress ion=true

https://www.wsj.com/articles/kushner-cos-subpoenaed-over-tenant-records-1524173492

oh and i can't help but add: is rudy giuliani just one of the most pathetic grovelling idiots in politics or should that title go to ted cruz? this guy couldn't even get a place in the administration and like hopeless idiot he is, he comes to trump's aid when the ship is slowly sinking?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/giuliani-says-he-is-joining-trumps-legal-team-to-negotiate-an-end-to-mueller-probe/2018/04/19/b175fc10-4411-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.58acd85de4c3

[Stavros]

oh and i can't help but add: is rudy giuliani just one of the most pathetic grovelling idiots in politics or should that title go to ted cruz? this guy couldn't even get a place in the administration and like hopeless idiot he is, he comes to trump's aid when the ship is slowly sinking?


They go back years, in fact the Man dragged up to woo Rudy on one occasion.
But here's the key:Giuliani knows where the bodies are buried. Better have him inside the tent than outside.

[Stavros]

Correction to the above, it was Rudy who dragged up to impress the Don-

1070455

[bluesoul]

fuck you to the above person. WTF?

[bluesoul]

stravos i can't think of anything else but to tell you yo go fuck yourself but for some reason that is tell me you've kept up with technology so let me keep this short pal: fuck you. wait. FUCK YOU. hope you got the message. now got any waste of politics for us? just paste it because nobody will know it and we'll all pretend we like you and you'll feel like a star for a while.

are you handicapped? sorry, don't mean to beak the spell just curious

btw if you didn't get the message: go fuck yourself

[Stavros]

stravos i can't think of anything else but to tell you yo go fuck yourself but for some reason that is tell me you've kept up with technology so let me keep this short pal: fuck you. wait. FUCK YOU. hope you got the message. now got any waste of politics for us? just paste it because nobody will know it and we'll all pretend we like you and you'll feel like a star for a while.
are you handicapped? sorry, don't mean to beak the spell just curious
btw if you didn't get the message: go fuck yourself

At least tell me why. Are you upset to get a hard-on seeing Rudy in drag?