Is it gay to be attracted/intimate with Trannies?

[MrStealYoGirl]

Lets openly discuss this like adults, is it gay or not?

[broncofan]

Lets openly discuss this like adults, is it gay or not?
You're the first person to ask this question. Should get a lot of interesting responses that we've never heard before.

[broncofan]

Or maybe you know we've discussed it before and think this time we're going to settle the issue if we only talk about it like adults. Nothing much comes of these threads. A few people come in to say they think they're not gay bc they're less focused on the penis or really only like ts' who are super super feminine and pretend they are answering the question generally. Then there's one video people seem to regularly post that says the answer is definitely no and that usually seems pretty popular. Then some say it doesn't matter that much, live without judgment etc.

[Tapatio]

Lets openly discuss this like adults, is it gay or not?

lol

The ones who claim it’s not because TSs are “so much more feminine” are totally gay and in complete denial.

As for everyone else, it’s a little from column A, a little from column B, and a whole lot of in between.

[LovetheLBs]

Call it gay... call it not gay.... whatever.

I love trannies. Especially ones with big cocks :wiggle:

[must93]

It is only gay if YOU feel gay. I love these woman because how they think and look. They embrace the female form.

[giovanni_hotel]

Lets openly discuss this like adults, is it gay or not?

It seems like only homos ask this question.:party:

[tacocorpv2]

1) TS women
2) personally I think it'd be gay not to

[Aticus100]

Not gay.
And definitely not straight.

[CaptainPlanet]

its only straight to the guys on this forum, ask anyone in the streets and see what they say lol. But tbh who gives a fuck, do what you love.

[filghy2]

My nominations for the 3 most repeated questions on this forum (apart from ID requests):
- Is it gay to be attracted to TS?
- Which TS has the biggest dick?
- Why do TS have such big dicks?

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

I am a masculine bisexual male who is attracted to femininity. I love the beauty of females, but honestly speaking, there is nothing more beautiful than a sweet, young pretty femboy. That is my personal preference over women. People like what they like.

I could not possibly care less if that makes me gay in the view of certain people. I, unlike many others on this message board, am not afraid of the "G" word. Being bi, gay or a tranny chaser or whatever title to which I could theoretically be referred does not even remotely bother me.

[slave2u]

In answer to the question: does it matter?

[smalltownguy]

This attraction can be a person's occasional, or exclusive interest. Study shows men attracted to transgender women are NOT gay

[MrStealYoGirl]

lol

The ones who claim it’s not because TSs are “so much more feminine” are totally gay and in complete denial.

As for everyone else, it’s a little from column A, a little from column B, and a whole lot of in between.

How can someone be gay for being attracted to feminine features? I don't find crossdressers attractive, but the hot trannies are totally good to go. I wouldn't do all the shit you guys do like sucking and taking dick, but I would fuck these trannies no doubt.

[Tapatio]

How can someone be gay for being attracted to feminine features? I don't find crossdressers attractive, but the hot trannies are totally good to go. I wouldn't do all the shit you guys do like sucking and taking dick, but I would fuck these trannies no doubt.

The worst part of denial is denying yourself.

Put her in your mouth.

[MrStealYoGirl]

The worst part of denial is denying yourself.

Put her in your mouth.

Never! I have never had sex with a tranny, but if I were to I would never do anything more than fucking her in the ass, you can take that as in denial all you want, it's just not my thing to take dick and engage in homosexual activities.

[Tapatio]

Never! I have never had sex with a tranny...

...it's just not my thing to take dick and engage in homosexual activities.

lmao get back to us when this is more than just your mastubatory fantasy.

[Aticus100]

Never! I have never had sex with a tranny, but if I were to I would never do anything more than fucking her in the ass, you can take that as in denial all you want, it's just not my thing to take dick and engage in homosexual activities.

Denial.

It’s not just a river in Africa.

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

Never! I have never had sex with a tranny, but if I were to I would never do anything more than fucking her in the ass, you can take that as in denial all you want, it's just not my thing to take dick and engage in homosexual activities.

Well, in case you ever decide to partake in such acts, just make sure you call "no homo" beforehand and then you're straight. LOL!

[unamasa]

Then surely by YOUR logic, fucking somebody who happens to have a dick in their arse, must at least border on homosexuality?
Never! I have never had sex with a tranny, but if I were to I would never do anything more than fucking her in the ass, you can take that as in denial all you want, it's just not my thing to take dick and engage in homosexual activities.

[fred41]

There's an individual learning curve to sex...it requires social interaction with warm, thinking human beings. Sometimes what you do in bed, changes over time, depending on varying partners... and sometimes it doesn't. As other posters have hinted at, don't think you know anything (sometimes even about yourself) based on strictly watching porn.

[THEbottom]

Who cares ??? What difference does it make ??? Are you AFRAID someone might call you gay ??? So what ??

[Aticus100]

It wont count as being gay as long as she knows you're just giving her a "Bro-Job"

[Laphroaig]

Lets openly discuss this like adults, is it gay or not?

You'd better come back in a few years then, after you've been through puberty...:rolleyes:

[broncofan]

You'd better come back in a few years then, after you've been through puberty...:rolleyes:
Yeah, well he wanted to discuss it like adults then he turns it into a thread about why he's less gay than some might be.

When adults discuss things they try to be objective and don't make statements that are clearly intended to make themselves feel better or superior...they don't pretend to be talking about one thing when in fact they're talking about something else. I wouldn't know but I've heard that. Thread should be called "why I'm less gay than the person who posted before me". Or maybe "I wouldn't touch the cock I just like knowing it's there."

[Laphroaig]

Yeah, well he wanted to discuss it like adults then he turns it into a thread about why he's less gay than some might be.

When adults discuss things they try to be objective and don't make statements that are clearly intended to make themselves feel better or superior...they don't pretend to be talking about one thing when in fact they're talking about something else. I wouldn't know but I've heard that. Thread should be called "why I'm less gay than the person who posted before me". Or maybe "I wouldn't touch the cock I just like knowing it's there."

Seems that the OP isn't comfortable in himself wants validation that he's not Gay. That's usually the bottom line for anyone starting a thread like this.

Some will say there's nothing gay about it whatsoever, some that if you even so much as look at TS porn, you must bat for the other side. Reality is that everyone is different and as long as you're comfortable with wherever on the sexuality spectrum you are, who really cares...:shrug

[Aticus100]

The issue with this topic is that it is essentially about other peoples perceptions rather than your own.

If by "Gay" you mean homosexual then you could argue that being interested in TS is not being interested in the dsme gander as yourself (assuming you are not also a TS, so not gay.

But in the broader sense, to most people when referring to "gay" they mean anything other than straight, so whether you want to pretend she does not have a cock or not, it probably not gonna be considered straight by most people.

So long as you are happy, who cares?

And always remember, other peoples opinion of you is none of your business.

[Aticus100]

And my TS girlfriend is away tonight so I'm gonna knock one out to some straight porn while repeating to myself "I'm not gay, I'm not gay, I'm not gay"

It's like therapy for my troubled soul.

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

Yeah, well he wanted to discuss it like adults then he turns it into a thread about why he's less gay than some might be.

When adults discuss things they try to be objective and don't make statements that are clearly intended to make themselves feel better or superior...they don't pretend to be talking about one thing when in fact they're talking about something else. I wouldn't know but I've heard that. Thread should be called "why I'm less gay than the person who posted before me". Or maybe "I wouldn't touch the cock I just like knowing it's there."

Well said.

[holzz]

so you come to a website based on trans porn/sexuality, and ask this? seems you ust want validation.

look, suck her cock, wank her cock, take her cock in your arse, who gives a fuck?

my rule of thumb is thus. does a trans woman fucking you (or vice versa) turn you on? would a man doing the same turn you on? if it's the former, it's not gay. if it's both, one is bi at the least.

sexuality is never 1 or 0, or black and white, but then i think for a lot of guys, it's about the feminine look. that cannot be gay, by definition.

[Laphroaig]

so you come to a website based on trans porn/sexuality, and ask this? seems you ust want validation.



Who started this one?...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::dead-1::dead-1::dead-1:

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?102043-does-liking-trans-women-make-you-gay-(advancing-the-question)

You have serious memory issues, holzz...:dead:

[Aticus100]

Holzz, I imagine you’re so gay when you ejaculate it comes out like a rainbow.

[MrStealYoGirl]

I'm not bi FFS. I'm not sucking its dick or taking it, all I am wanting to do is fuck something that LOOKS like a woman, that is it. It's you guys that want to get fucked in the ass that are the closet fags. I would never stoop to that level (no offence).

Fukin THIS in its ass is not gay.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Tj4mLriiHD4/VYtwCT53ynI/AAAAAAAAH70/4AYDgWapzlo/s1600/tumblr_mjtpn7amNo1s5oh47o1_400.gif


However sucking its dick is (which I wouldn't do), therefore I still have my straight card. I'm sure there are others like me out there, bro's who want to fuck trannies but not suck their dicks, plus some trannies are post-op anyway

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

Alright, this guy is a fucking troll. 10 posts in and he is telling everybody how gay they are and how gay he's not. LMAO!

[Fitzcarraldo]

I'm not bi FFS. I'm not sucking its dick or taking it, all I am wanting to do is fuck something that LOOKS like a woman, that is it.

However sucking its dick is (which I wouldn't do), therefore I still have my straight card.

N:pissed:t gonna earn any points here talking like that. Believe it or not, women don't like to be referred to as "it."

But I suppose if you think you're fucking an inanimate object you can believe you're not gay.

[trish]

Let's just agree he's straight and make him happy. After all, who gives a shit what he wants to call it. MrStealYoGirl, dude - you're straight. You can fuck me in the ass, say "You're pretty," and call it quits right there; you'd be straight, but you'd be missing out on a lot of fun.

[thombergeron]

I'm not bi FFS. I'm not sucking its dick or taking it, all I am wanting to do is fuck something that LOOKS like a woman, that is it. It's you guys that want to get fucked in the ass that are the closet fags. I would never stoop to that level (no offence).

Fukin THIS in its ass is not gay.

However sucking its dick is (which I wouldn't do), therefore I still have my straight card. I'm sure there are others like me out there, bro's who want to fuck trannies but not suck their dicks, plus some trannies are post-op anyway

I wouldn't really worry about it if I were you. As long as you insist on referring to transgender women as "something" "this" "it" and "trannies," there's pretty much no chance you're ever going to move beyond pulling the pud to Internet porn.

[fred41]

Well you can't be gay or hetero when you never have actual sex, so his post is pointless.(...but Jesus sees him jerking off to TS porn and he's got a frown on his face...lol)





...damn, casting aspersions at people that have actual sex, when he's just home pulling his pud...SMH

[Aticus100]

I'm not bi FFS. I'm not sucking its dick or taking it, all I am wanting to do is fuck something that LOOKS like a woman, that is it. It's you guys that want to get fucked in the ass that are the closet fags. I would never stoop to that level (no offence).

Fukin THIS in its ass is not gay.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Tj4mLriiHD4/VYtwCT53ynI/AAAAAAAAH70/4AYDgWapzlo/s1600/tumblr_mjtpn7amNo1s5oh47o1_400.gif


However sucking its dick is (which I wouldn't do), therefore I still have my straight card. I'm sure there are others like me out there, bro's who want to fuck trannies but not suck their dicks, plus some trannies are post-op anyway


I've been thinking about this post quite a bit and it's definitely given me some food for thought so after much deliberation I think I have come to my ultimate conclusion.

Your gay as fuck. Now suck it up, Buttercup.

[giovanni_hotel]

I'm not bi FFS. I'm not sucking its dick or taking it, all I am wanting to do is fuck something that LOOKS like a woman, that is it. It's you guys that want to get fucked in the ass that are the closet fags. I would never stoop to that level (no offence).

Fukin THIS in its ass is not gay.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Tj4mLriiHD4/VYtwCT53ynI/AAAAAAAAH70/4AYDgWapzlo/s1600/tumblr_mjtpn7amNo1s5oh47o1_400.gif


However sucking its dick is (which I wouldn't do), therefore I still have my straight card. I'm sure there are others like me out there, bro's who want to fuck trannies but not suck their dicks, plus some trannies are post-op anyway

Clearly you've never been with a TS, never mind Bailey Jay.

Trust, if you're naked and rolling around in bed with a TS chick who makes your dick rock hard, your dingalings will touch. And your dick will still be hard.

If she asks you you to eat her ass, you'll do that too. She'll only have to ask you a few times to kiss her cock before you're sucking on it.

If you ever got down with a TS the caliber of Bailey Jay, she'd have you jerking her dick right after she took her panties off and you'd be deepthroating her before you left the bedroom.

What guys like you won't admit is deep down a (big) part of the male attraction to transwomen is a woman with a COCK.
Doesn't mean you like dicks in general, but you DO like them on women.

[MrStealYoGirl]

N:pissed:t gonna earn any points here talking like that. Believe it or not, women don't like to be referred to as "it."

But I suppose if you think you're fucking an inanimate object you can believe you're not gay.

Well I can't say her because it's not biological and I can't say him because it's hardly a dude, it's a tough one

[thombergeron]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?105315-Few-Hot-Trannies-Compilation

Dude made a imgur compilation of two dozen women stroking their cocks, but he's completely straight, in case you were wondering. He's totally not obsessed with erect dicks in any way whatsoever.

[thombergeron]

Well I can't say her because it's not biological and I can't say him because it's hardly a dude, it's a tough one

It's actually not tough at all. In fact, it's really easy.

[MrStealYoGirl]

Clearly you've never been with a TS, never mind Bailey Jay.

Trust, if you're naked and rolling around in bed with a TS chick who makes your dick rock hard, your dingalings will touch. And your dick will still be hard.

If she asks you you to eat her ass, you'll do that too. She'll only have to ask you a few times to kiss her cock before you're sucking on it.

If you ever got down with a TS the caliber of Bailey Jay, she'd have you jerking her dick right after she took her panties off and you'd be deepthroating her before you left the bedroom.

What guys like you won't admit is deep down a (big) part of the male attraction to transwomen is a woman with a COCK.
Doesn't mean you like dicks in general, but you DO like them on women.



But why do we like the cocks on women? I want to understand WHY we like trannies. I'm not bi, the thought of getting with a dude makes me sick, watching gay porn is fucking gross, but watching trannies is just fucking hot. It's like they are a separate entity from male and female. I can't explain it. I just don't understand what my fascination is with them. I haven't been with one because I'm scared I'm going to regret it, like there will be some feelings of shame, plus I may end up liking it too much (lol). I feel like it could potentially lead down a path of no return.

[MrStealYoGirl]

It's actually not tough at all. In fact, it's really easy.

I didn't make it, I just saw it posted and thought I would post it here. The cocks and balls eventually got it a bit too much but the first one was fukin hot. I won't lie I stroked one out to that GIF, sigh.

[Ts RedVeX]

I haven't been with one because I'm scared I'm going to regret it, like there will be some feelings of shame, plus I may end up liking it too much (lol). I feel like it could potentially lead down a path of no return.

Well, I play computer games and I sometimes feel shame when it has been like 2 years and I keep saying "I will get my webshite done", or I regret playing quake all Saturday instead doing the hovering and shit when I have to manoeuvre around all the stuff lying around my living room's floor... So what? There is nothing about feelings, and that includes felling bad about oneself. We are all gonna die eventually and unless you have some extremist friends they ain't gonna make that happen any sooner for you:p

[MrStealYoGirl]

Well, I play computer games and I sometimes feel shame when it has been like 2 years and I keep saying "I will get my webshite done", or I regret playing quake all Saturday instead doing the hovering and shit when I have to manoeuvre around all the stuff lying around my living room's floor... So what? There is nothing about feelings, and that includes felling bad about oneself. We are all gonna die eventually and unless you have some extremist friends they ain't gonna make that happen any sooner for you:p

That's not the same regret feeling, you know what I mean, this is a regret that will linger on my mind for a lifetime. I understand your main point though that you only live once, if I go through with this I am definitely not telling anyone about this, friends or family, this will be my little secret.

[natina]

If your an antigay Republican then your a homosexual period!

Antigay but closeted Homosexual​ Republicans caught being gay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMsG9ScQP9I

http://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught-being-gay/joanne?page=1&format=BLOG&sortby=&sortdir=

your dog knows ,YOUR doctor knows it your moma

Republicans its ok now TO ADMIT YOU ARE A homosexual

Republicans YOU ARE GAY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsVpdBIi1BU


You know how I know you're gay?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX0SD_cazhs

Republicans YOU ARE VERY GAY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjAVa9RAfWQ

How To Tell If Republican​ Is Gay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-VLBgt-sYY



Come out the closet already.

1043631

[natina]

STUDY ON LATENT Republicans homosexuality/homophobes

The Middle Sex & an Experiment on Homophobia

EXCLUSIVE: HBO to Develop 'Middlesex' as One-Hour Series
Rita Wilson, playwright Donald Margulies exec producing
By Melissa Grego -- Broadcasting & Cable, 7/6/2009 7:39:07 PM
HBO has optioned Jeffrey Eugenides' Pulitzer Prize-winning novel Middlesex and is developing a one-hour drama series based on the 2002 book.

Actor-producer Rita Wilson is executive producing, along with the project's writer Donald Margulies.

The working logline for the potential drama series being used internally at HBO is that it "follows the life of Calliope Stephanides and the epic family history that may hold the answer to her complicated sexual identity."

Margulies, known best as a playwright, won a Pulitzer Prize in 2000 for his play Dinner With Friends, which was made into an HBO telefilm.

If the Middlesex drama series follows the book's setting, it would take place largely in Detroit, where the main character grows up. HBO's recent comedy series entry, Hung, is also set in the Detroit area.

HBO declined to comment.

(The Middle Sex & an Experiment on Homophobia)
Psychiatrists from the University of GA, based after the murder of a transgender woman whose killers identified themselves as "not gay," conducted an experiment on several hundred men who identified as 100% heterosexual, and with never having had a same-sex encounter, and claiming never to have ever had a same-sex thought. So, these men were divided into control groups with a loop around their penis that measured their arousal to GAY PORN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEuDDvqYbVw

1043632


log cabin neocons/republicans .....racist,kkk...



http://rys2sense.com/images/wtpage1small.gif

http://toppun.com/Rainbow-Store/Gay-Pride-Pictures/Gay-Republicans-You-Can-Come-Out-of-Your-Log-Cabins-Now.gif

http://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught-being-gay/joanne

[tacocorpv2]

I'm not bi FFS. I'm not sucking its dick or taking it, all I am wanting to do is fuck something that LOOKS like a woman, that is it. It's you guys that want to get fucked in the ass that are the closet fags. I would never stoop to that level (no offence).

Fukin THIS in its ass is not gay.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Tj4mLriiHD4/VYtwCT53ynI/AAAAAAAAH70/4AYDgWapzlo/s1600/tumblr_mjtpn7amNo1s5oh47o1_400.gif


However sucking its dick is (which I wouldn't do), therefore I still have my straight card. I'm sure there are others like me out there, bro's who want to fuck trannies but not suck their dicks, plus some trannies are post-op anyway

I recommend a silicone ''lifelike'' sexdoll, it looks like a woman and you can also refer to it as it. Good luck.

[natina]

Banned Discovery Channel Documentary Conspiracy of Silence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UgGvMntX9s

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

But why do we like the cocks on women? I want to understand WHY we like trannies. I'm not bi, the thought of getting with a dude makes me sick, watching gay porn is fucking gross, but watching trannies is just fucking hot. It's like they are a separate entity from male and female. I can't explain it. I just don't understand what my fascination is with them. I haven't been with one because I'm scared I'm going to regret it, like there will be some feelings of shame, plus I may end up liking it too much (lol). I feel like it could potentially lead down a path of no return.

So embrace it, moron! I think what you are failing to comprehend here is that you, nor I or anyone else on this forum, chose to like TS ladies or femboys. Our minds chose that for us. You can not help what you are attracted to.

So you like females. One day, you see a beautiful lady and then all of a sudden, OOPS! She has a cock. So now, what do you do with that attraction? Your brain informs you immediately as to how you feel about it. And if you made it this far with your personal attraction to TS women to grace us with your presence here at Hung Angels, something tells me your brain decided that you were at least ok with a lady with a cock.

So, just my two cents. If you are not trolling and your mind has informed you that you do, in fact, have an attraction to these very special ladies that we all adore here at Hung Angels, then my advice would be to embrace who you are and what you are into. There is nothing wrong with you or any of us for being attracted to a feminine human being who has a penis.

It is important to be in touch with who you are and to know what you want out of life. As far as I know, we only get one of these things. I wouldn't waste my time living in fear or shame because I am who I am.

[MrStealYoGirl]

I appreciate the kind words ^, it truly helps.

[kush kitaro]

Another good question are you straight if you fuck buck angel & eats his ass & pussy???

[CoolAwesomeBXDude]

Here we go again

[giovanni_hotel]

But why do we like the cocks on women? I want to understand WHY we like trannies. I'm not bi, the thought of getting with a dude makes me sick, watching gay porn is fucking gross, but watching trannies is just fucking hot. It's like they are a separate entity from male and female. I can't explain it. I just don't understand what my fascination is with them. I haven't been with one because I'm scared I'm going to regret it, like there will be some feelings of shame, plus I may end up liking it too much (lol). I feel like it could potentially lead down a path of no return.

Bro, most straight identified dudes like myself have no idea why transwomen turn us on so much.
Most of us didn't even know we were attracted to transchicks until we SAW a t-girl.

If the experience turns you on and it's not illegal, you might as well embrace the fact you're intensely attracted to transwomen.

Whether that makes you gay, straight or bi is up to you.
Meaning, WHO CARES???

[filghy2]

Most of us didn't even know we were attracted to transchicks until we SAW a t-girl.


Actually I wasn't attracted the first time - not revolted, just indifferent, and I could not see why I would ever prefer one to a GG. Then a few years later everything changed. I don't know why, and I'm sure I never will, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

[Northof60]

FFS - why? Because you couldn’t find your answer in the dozens of threads that have already addressed this topic?? My advice is to quit looking for something you probably won’t like the answer to and just enjoy life cuz it’s too fucking short to worry about shit like this.

[Lester316]

Lets openly discuss this like adults, is it gay or not?

How about openly searching for one of the other 12 millions threads. And if you want to discuss it like an adult forget labelling people and just enjoy what you enjoy.

[Fitzcarraldo]

The board should just make one of these topics a sticky.

[trish]

I don't know why, and I'm sure I never will...

‘Cause we go ‘ZIP’ when we move?
Or ‘BOP’ when we stop?
And ‘WHIRRR’ when we stand still?
You just don’t know why you love us so
And I guess you never will.

__with apologies to Peter, Paul and Mary (Marvelous Toy)

[kush kitaro]

Is anybody gonna answer my question???
.
Or you straight if you are attracted to buck angel???

[Stavros]

Kierkegaard, in Either/Or argued that of all the world's religions, it is Christianity that is most closely associated with sinfulness, that the two grew together. In many cases, guilt weighs down on people who have been raised in a morally strict Christian family; guilt at violating not just their parent's rules, but their God's too. It may be that with others, Jews and Muslims for example, they feel guilty at desiring something their parents have forbidden or denounced, and it can be as intense with desire for a transgendered female as their brother's wife.

Kierkegaard suggests the problem lies in the false equation, that 'either/or' is not a practical way of enjoying life and it would be better to dismantle the categories and take control of your own life and experience its sensuous delights, rather than be unhappy locked behind a false dichotomy. In non-religious settings too people can be socialized in a milieu where there are rigid expectations of what a man does, what a woman does, and that there are no transferable skills, or, if there are, they are condemned but only because they threaten the cohesion of the group -assuming it is worth being part of.

It is unfortunate that the word homosexual contains the word 'sex' because the reality for homosexuals is that they want a relationship no different from a heterosexual one. So you are probably gay if you look at one man in particular who you see on the train or bus to work every day, or work with, or who you see in your social set, and, crucially, whom you would like to invite to dinner at your place, buy him birthday and Christmas cards you sign with a X, yearn to form a relationship with him, cook meals, do the laundry and cuddle up in front of the tv to watch sports, game shows and movies.

Because any two people, or more can have sexual relations, and it need not be emotional, committed or become a steady relationship; or be embedded in social role, be permitted or forbidden by religious obligation or the law of the land- unless you want it that way. There is no compulsion on anyone who sucks a cock or has anal sex to claim to be gay or anything else, unless they want to wrap themselves in that label for whatever purpose, not any I can think of. Another philosopher, Wilhelm Reich, believed sexual activity to be a crucial component of human happiness and that it should never be repressed, 'Fuck freely, comrades, it's healthy!' is one of his recommendations, though even that should come with various warnings about safe sex and consent.

Liberate yourself from false dichotomies, be honest with yourself about what it is that you desire, and don't be afraid to express yourself.

[fred41]

Is anybody gonna answer my question???
.
Or you straight if you are attracted to buck angel???

Since Buck Angel isn't a fleshlight (and, with the exception of genitalia, very manly) I would have to say you'd be homosexual or Bisexual, but not anywhere near the straight spectrum.

[KelliBlueEyes]

A lot of men say... I’m not gay, I’m not attracted to men, but then cry when we don’t act like men, and want to be treated like any other woman.
Do me up the butt, however keep your mouth shut, because what happens behind closed doors...

[holzz]

OP wants validation, nothing more or less. his notion of more or less gay is pretty dim.

like there are people out there who say that a man being attracted to ANYBODY with a dick, whether they look female or not, is gay. even post-op, even if she's entirely passable, and the final surgery looks indistinguishable from a "born pussy" as it were.

these threads are a bit tiresome, but to be expected, since it's a common question most who are trans-attracted ask themselves. we've ALL done it at some point. i did years ago, now i know it's bull, and moved on. so even though the OP is acting big and bad, i still am gracious to him lol.

[smalltownguy]

A lot of men say... I’m not gay, I’m not attracted to men, but then cry when we don’t act like men, and want to be treated like any other woman.
Do me up the butt, however keep your mouth shut, because what happens behind closed doors...

i must say behind tightly closed doors ...

[holzz]

Who started this one?...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::dead-1::dead-1::dead-1:

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?102043-does-liking-trans-women-make-you-gay-(advancing-the-question)

You have serious memory issues, holzz...:dead:

hence "new take" on the issue. we all know it's a tired issue.

[holzz]

Holzz, I imagine you’re so gay when you ejaculate it comes out like a rainbow.

Yes. considering you get such pleasure from trying to say i cannot post. not bothered if you dislike me...i'll just laugh when you say "you don't know me!!" when i confront your nonsense. maybe sturgeon passed a law that people should respect you at all times.

[kush kitaro]

Since Buck Angel isn't a fleshlight (and, with the exception of genitalia, very manly) I would have to say you'd be homosexual or Bisexual, but not anywhere near the straight spectrum.

Right so that answers OPs dum ass question???

By the way that wasnt a real question i was just hoping OP would take the bait & see the flaws in his question & his line of thinking

Oh & if a man is attracted to buck angel & any other dude with a clit their cleary gay as hell thats just me tho

[LittleGuy]

Ts call men fags for having sex with them.

[LittleGuy]

A more important question is can ts take dumps?

[Aticus100]

Is anybody gonna answer my question???
.
Or you straight if you are attracted to buck angel???

No, you're not.

But some people will think you are and some won't.

And I'm not sure.

Does that answer your question?

[Aticus100]

Yes. considering you get such pleasure from trying to say i cannot post. not bothered if you dislike me...i'll just laugh when you say "you don't know me!!" when i confront your nonsense. maybe sturgeon passed a law that people should respect you at all times.

1: What has Nicola Sturgeon got to do with Hampshire?
2: When did anyone say you couldn't post?
3: Take a joke for fucks sake.

[Aticus100]

Ts call men fags for having sex with them.


Literally all the TS I know consider the men that have sex with them to be straight.

[Laphroaig]

Literally all the TS I know consider the men that have sex with them to be straight.

You might be surprised how many TS call their clients "faggots". Mostly the word appears as a response to a bad review eg

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?105037-stunning-new-British-Girl-Elena&p=1804753&viewfull=1#post1804753

but also gets thrown around on here from time to time when disagreements occur. Jamie and Ada were infamous for laughing at and labelling all their clients as Gay...


1: What has Nicola Sturgeon got to do with Hampshire?
2: When did anyone say you couldn't post?
3: Take a joke for fucks sake.

The "Sturgeon" reference was probably meant as a dig at me, unless he thinks you're Scottish as well...

[broncofan]

You might be surprised how many TS call their clients "faggots". Mostly the word appears as a response to a bad review eg

I was going to say that. But I think you both (or all) might be right. There may be a difference between chiding someone with a slur because you think they're self-conscious about whether they're gay and thinking they definitely are.

[tacocorpv2]

AS far as these threads go I'm expecting the annual ''rate my cock'' thread by some random guy anytime now.

[KelliBlueEyes]

Ts call men fags for having sex with them.

only bottoms usually, but I don't and neither do most girls

[Aticus100]

I was going to say that. But I think you both (or all) might be right. There may be a difference between chiding someone with a slur because you think they're self-conscious about whether they're gay and thinking they definitely are.

I was thinking the same as you Broncofan.

Certainly when out with the girls when they are looking to pick up guys we head for the straight clubs and wouldn't dream of going to gay bars.

[natina]

This is a Gay topic/thread, very gay!

[Josh_64]

There is no Wikipedia kind of answer to that. I don't get aroused by men. Not at all. Women yessssss. TS, a lot of TS. I sucked trannydicks. Got fucked a coupla times. Would not do that with men. Gay, straight, bi. Just categories. I don't care. Do what you like and have consensual sex with the people who make you horny.

[LittleGuy]

So you're straight if you top, but a faggot if you bottom? Not a faggot if you dont suck or touch the cock but faggot if you do? 😒

[Lester316]

This thread is getting worse.. how about people stop applying potentially offensive labels to others who enjoy a certain type of sex. We are actually in the 21st Century now; there is no need for such immature thought processes particularly on a site which should embrace differences or similarities as what is simply part of being a human being.

[natina]

So you're straight if you top, but a faggot if you bottom? Not a faggot if you dont suck or touch the cock but faggot if you do? 😒

That's the jailhouse definition of straight and faggot

[chupapau]

For 98% of the world you are gay, or a woman, if you like cock. But don't stop that from liking what you like. So if you are attracted to the person but not the cock, no worries. :)

[MrStealYoGirl]

do you guys fuck BOTH trans women and normal women, or just trans?

[Aticus100]

do you guys fuck BOTH trans women and normal women, or just trans?

I have sexual relations with trans women and regular women. So do all the other guys I know personally who are into trans women.

The conceceus on the forum may be different, but in my experience the vast majority of guys into trans women are into regular women too.

[handsumjack]

I am PAN - Women,Transexuals & Men 18 to 80

[MrStealYoGirl]

I am PAN - Women,Transexuals & Men 18 to 80

damn boy you'll just fuck anything. No men for me, just trans and women.

[Laphroaig]

damn boy you'll just fuck anything. No men for me, just trans and women.

Except, you haven't been near a transsexual in real life yet, how do you know you won't shit yourself when or if you ever get face to face, or face to cock with one?...:shrug

[MrStealYoGirl]

Except, you haven't been near a transsexual in real life yet, how do you know you won't shit yourself when or if you ever get face to face, or face to cock with one?...:shrug

Well hypothetically I love trans women, I don't know if it'll be a different story in reality. Will report back with my findings when I meet the right one.

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

I fuck trans women and genetic women, but my ultimate preference would be a sweet, natural femboy.

[tacocorpv2]

I have sexual relations with trans women and regular women. So do all the other guys I know personally who are into trans women.

The conceceus on the forum may be different, but in my experience the vast majority of guys into trans women are into regular women too.

My experience as well. ts women are women too, just little extra.

[pariahsan]

I started as a straight guy. Then I discovered I was submissive. Then I discovered trannies. Then I discovered I liked cock. Then I discovered I loved getting fucked by trannies. Then I discovered if I closed my eyes, it didn't matter if it was a tranny or a guy fucking me. Then I discovered BBC. I'm not straight any more.

[hamdasl]

Genderbender.

[mikelangelo1]

gay or not i love trannies..girls with cocks..its so hot....since i started cant stop loving them

[KelliBlueEyes]

You might be surprised how many TS call their clients "faggots". Mostly the word appears as a response to a bad review eg

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?105037-stunning-new-British-Girl-Elena&p=1804753&viewfull=1#post1804753

but also gets thrown around on here from time to time when disagreements occur. Jamie and Ada were infamous for laughing at and labelling all their clients as Gay...



The "Sturgeon" reference was probably meant as a dig at me, unless he thinks you're Scottish as well...



When guys want to insult us they call us men, so when girls want to insult them what else would girls call them but fags?

[Laphroaig]

When guys want to insult us they call us men, so when girls want to insult them what else would girls call them but fags?

Agree, that's mostly the context in which the word is used. However, I do believe there are some clients who get off on the "humiliation" aspect of being dominated and fucked by a t-girl and quite happy to be called "faggots".

In addition, there are some t-girls who's views might surprise you. See Jamie French (Deadgirl-productions) and Ada Black's posts within this thread for example, beginning with this one and continuing throughout.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?84776-Why-are-so-many-STR8-men-attracted-to-preop-TS&p=1624874&viewfull=1#post1624874

[bluesoul]

why not call them women or bull dyke? it would equal the misgender-representation plus it would mean they're gay if they were with you. if you call them a fag, then it would mean they were in a gay relationship with another man so their statement would actually seem true.

i guess i don't understand why being "gay" is insulting yet "lesbian" isn't (or i've never heard it used to disparage someone)

[Lester316]

Agree, that's mostly the context in which the word is used. However, I do believe there are some clients who get off on the "humiliation" aspect of being dominated and fucked by a t-girl and quite happy to be called "faggots".

In addition, there are some t-girls who's views might surprise you. See Jamie French (Deadgirl-productions) and Ada Black's posts within this thread for example, beginning with this one and continuing throughout.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?84776-Why-are-so-many-STR8-men-attracted-to-preop-TS&p=1624874&viewfull=1#post1624874

I remember that thread; considering some of the comments thrown around by Jamie and Ada and what they think of men who have sex with TS Girls it gives a different perspective on Jamie's campaign against Christian. I wonder if the websites supporting her anti Christian XXX efforts would be quite so supportive if they knew how she could be.

[african1]

Once and for all...If you think you are GAY then you are.

Accept it and more the fuck on

[african1]

Agree, that's mostly the context in which the word is used. However, I do believe there are some clients who get off on the "humiliation" aspect of being dominated and fucked by a t-girl and quite happy to be called "faggots".

In addition, there are some t-girls who's views might surprise you. See Jamie French (http://www.tsjamiefrench.com/) (Deadgirl-productions) and Ada Black's posts within this thread for example, beginning with this one and continuing throughout.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...=1#post1624874 (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?84776-Why-are-so-many-STR8-men-attracted-to-preop-TS&p=1624874&viewfull=1#post1624874)

I remember that thread; considering some of the comments thrown around by Jamie and Ada and what they think of men who have sex with TS Girls it gives a different perspective on Jamie's campaign against Christian. I wonder if the websites supporting her anti Christian XXX efforts would be quite so supportive if they knew how she could be.

Lester,

If sex with a tranny (however it is) is gay porn, then we should not call her a tranny. He is then a man and we should end this whole BS about some third gender and acceptance.
It's ridiculous to call men who are into humiliation or masochism weak or gay. Rather research shows it is the opposite. Most strong leaders of society and industry are into kink.
And this coming from a guy who never had sex with a TS nor did that stuff. But I do read a lot and these are facts.

Now there are some T-girls who look like men. They put make-up, have no boobs and some have the nerves to put them on a shoot. Those "girls" make me puke. The other huge turn off is when you have two guys with two TS then biggest turn offs is when and without caveat, one of the motherfuckers ends up sucking the other guy's dick or touching him or fucking him even. I gotta tell you. That video gets banned right away.
BTW I never got off watching jamie, due to the reasons mentioned above. A girl must be truly feminine. The voice, the skin, etc...

[broncofan]

I remember that thread; considering some of the comments thrown around by Jamie and Ada and what they think of men who have sex with TS Girls it gives a different perspective on Jamie's campaign against Christian. I wonder if the websites supporting her anti Christian XXX efforts would be quite so supportive if they knew how she could be.
Often the word bullying is used too broadly to include any vigorous disagreement or even rudeness. But in Jamie's case she was not only confused about what sexual orientation is, she also was abusive to people and engaged in some of the most aggressive online bullying I've seen here.

That does not mean she can't make a credible claim that someone else engaged in abuse or harassment but it should say something if this does not create self-awareness in her. I'm not going to recount some of the things she said to people, as we've all made comments we regret, but I think she is seriously suspect as the conscience of any community unless she's changed significantly in the time since she posted here.

She's right that some people who insist on their straightness are self-serving but she has probably overcompensated in the other direction.

[Lester316]

Lester,

If sex with a tranny (however it is) is gay porn, then we should not call her a tranny. He is then a man and we should end this whole BS about some third gender and acceptance.
It's ridiculous to call men who are into humiliation or masochism weak or gay. Rather research shows it is the opposite. Most strong leaders of society and industry are into kink.
And this coming from a guy who never had sex with a TS nor did that stuff. But I do read a lot and these are facts.

Now there are some T-girls who look like men. They put make-up, have no boobs and some have the nerves to put them on a shoot. Those "girls" make me puke. The other huge turn off is when you have two guys with two TS then biggest turn offs is when and without caveat, one of the motherfuckers ends up sucking the other guy's dick or touching him or fucking him even. I gotta tell you. That video gets banned right away.
BTW I never got off watching jamie, due to the reasons mentioned above. A girl must be truly feminine. The voice, the skin, etc...

I'm unsure as why you addressed me in this reply - the lack of a question mark in my point and the way I phrased it should have made it quite clear it was a rhetorical question.

Also I really don't have any interest in your specific turn-ons porn wise. Although by suggesting seeing a T-girl with no boobs on a shoot is something that would make you "puke" showsyou really are quite a shallow individual and have no place on this forum in my opinion.

[Lester316]

Often the word bullying is used too broadly to include any vigorous disagreement or even rudeness. But in Jamie's case she was not only confused about what sexual orientation is, she also was abusive to people and engaged in some of the most aggressive online bullying I've seen here.

That does not mean she can't make a credible claim that someone else engaged in abuse or harassment but it should say something if this does not create self-awareness in her. I'm not going to recount some of the things she said to people, as we've all made comments we regret, but I think she is seriously suspect as the conscience of any community unless she's changed significantly in the time since she posted here.

She's right that some people who insist on their straightness are self-serving but she has probably overcompensated in the other direction.

I agree having hateful views doesn't mean you can't have been bullied, abused or harassed - my point was quite simple though; we may have to take her words about her interactions with Christian with a larger grain of salt so to speak than perhaps some of us did at first. It's not a huge leap to think that her interactions with him were compromised from the start if she was harbouring similar derogatory thoughts about a man who makes his living (or a the main portion of it) by having sex with TS performers.

Also (not here but on twitter) she has been posting links to a Trans-Ethics article which further attacks Christian. I wonder if they would feel so comfortable supporting her in her campaign against him if they had seen some of the views she has expressed here. The old saying can prove true "those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". Imagine the differences in how similar high-profile cases could have been received if the accusers had a history of hateful behaviour. A lot of the response regarding the allegations against Christian came across as "well he can be a bit of an ass in the way he comes across so maybe it's true"; I'm simply suggesting that the way she has expressed certain views in the past could well be taken in a similar way.

[broncofan]

It's not a huge leap to think that her interactions with him were compromised from the start if she was harbouring similar derogatory thoughts about a man who makes his living (or a the main portion of it) by having sex with TS performers.

Good point.

[hamdasl]

One of my transgender friends stated it quite succinctly:
She said: "If you like having a dick in your ass or mouth, you're gay."

[giovanni_hotel]

One of my transgender friends stated it quite succinctly:
She said: "If you like having a dick in your ass or mouth, you're gay."

Another way of saying being sexually attracted to TS women means you're gay.

Been there, done that. Not buying it.

Question, what about all the hetero CIS women who have a STRONG desire to fuck their male partner's in the ass with a strapon??

Who's the 'fag' in that scenario??

[MrStealYoGirl]

I love this one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFnDvcKkmpk

[tacocorpv2]

One of my transgender friends stated it quite succinctly:
She said: "If you like having a dick in your ass or mouth, you're gay."

What if you like going down on a woman, also gay? According to some folk I know it is ''not a man thing to do'' lol.

[Sam69]

There is no Wikipedia kind of answer to that. I don't get aroused by men. Not at all. Women yessssss. TS, a lot of TS. I sucked trannydicks. Got fucked a coupla times. Would not do that with men. Gay, straight, bi. Just categories. I don't care. Do what you like and have consensual sex with the people who make you horny.

That's basically what it comes down to. Other people can label you whatever they want. You can label yourself what you feel comfortable considering yourself as, or you can say, "fuck labels". Clearly a lot of guys on this forum are as much into fem-boys as they are into TG's. I'm certainly in that category. A hot twink like Liam Riley is as arousing to me as the hottest TG girl. I'm also very into sexy women. That's the definition of bisexual to me. Other people might classify themselves as "straight with exceptions". As long as you're not torturing yourself around your sexuality - or other people - then who cares how you define yourself?

[holzz]

One of my transgender friends stated it quite succinctly:
She said: "If you like having a dick in your ass or mouth, you're gay."

well i could never fuck or get fucked by a man. a ts woman, hell yes, every day of the week.

[holzz]

and i don't give a fuck if people think i'm in denial.

if a guy is gay, he likes masculinity. like straight women do, it's male parts, bodies, hair, faces, etc. that shit makes me retch. i like women, whether GG or TS. cos i like boobs, curves, women's faces, etc.

so if jamie french or whoever and ada want to say i'm gay, so be it. I can laugh if they cannot tolerate opinions, or cite "facts" when it's a FACT that sexuality is pretty diverse. two people who work in the sex industry should know about that. ;)

[holzz]

And what about when a trans woman fucks a GG woman, or dates one? is the GG woman gay or straight? is she straight cos the TS woman has a dick, or gay cos the TS woman has boobs and a woman's face/curves? see, it's not so black and white...lol.

[Aticus100]

well i could never fuck or get fucked by a man. a ts woman, hell yes, every day of the week.

So you like girls who either used to be or sometimes still are guy a to put their dicks in your ass?
Yeah, you’ve convinced me, you’re definitely a million percent straight!

And all those posts you keep placing telling people how little you care if they think your gay? They sure as hell make us think you don’t want people to think you’re gay.

Face it Holzz, you’re not just a bit gay, your so far in the closet I bet your post code is in fucking Narnia!

[bluesoul]

Another way of saying being sexually attracted to TS women means you're gay.

Been there, done that. Not buying it.

Question, what about all the hetero CIS women who have a STRONG desire to fuck their male partner's in the ass with a strapon??

Who's the 'fag' in that scenario??

the guy

[Lester316]

So you like girls who either used to be or sometimes still are guy a to put their dicks in your ass?
Yeah, you’ve convinced me, you’re definitely a million percent straight!

And all those posts you keep placing telling people how little you care if they think your gay? They sure as hell make us think you don’t want people to think you’re gay.

Face it Holzz, you’re not just a bit gay, your so far in the closet I bet your post code is in fucking Narnia!

If you are going to use comedy lines find something new not Frankie Boyle lines from 10 years ago..

Aside from that Holzz is right. Ts women identify as WOMEN so if you find them attractive that's not gay. Guys can defend themselves however they like about their sexuality but stop insulting TS women by basically comparing them to men.

[giovanni_hotel]

the guy



But the guy never got fucked. It was just his GF who had a burning desire to fuck men in the ass.
See, if a woman desires to fuck men or TS chicks in the butt, no one thinks much of it.

If a man, however, wants to fuck men and TS women in the ass, he gets called the 'G' word.

[love_them_boobs]

Does it really matter? I think that if you need to ask that question, then you're having a difficult time justifying your decisions, and you're looking for someone else to make you feel better about it.

I enjoy getting down with GG as much as I love getting down with TG. Gay? Straight? Bi? Why would anyone want to pigeonhole themselves like that. Variety is the spice of life! Do what you like and don't be so concerned with labels.

Dice once said, you either suck dick, or you do not suck dick! He was wrong. You can do whatever the fuck you want. And chances are, he did too, but was just to embarrassed to admit it (like most people).

[Tapatio]

Does it really matter? I think that if you need to ask that question, then you're having a difficult time justifying your decisions, and you're looking for someone else to make you feel better about it.

I enjoy getting down with GG as much as I love getting down with TG. Gay? Straight? Bi? Why would anyone want to pigeonhole themselves like that. Variety is the spice of life! Do what you like and don't be so concerned with labels.

Dice once said, you either suck dick, or you do not suck dick! He was wrong. You can do whatever the fuck you want. And chances are, he did too, but was just to embarrassed to admit it (like most people).

lol @ quoting Andrew “Dice” Clay and lmao @ missing his point

[Aticus100]

If you are going to use comedy lines find something new not Frankie Boyle lines from 10 years ago..

Aside from that Holzz is right. Ts women identify as WOMEN so if you find them attractive that's not gay. Guys can defend themselves however they like about their sexuality but stop insulting TS women by basically comparing them to men.

What a strange thing to say Lester.

If I find a gag relevant and funny, I will use it where it fits regardless of age or author. Just like you do, just like everyone does. That ok with you princess?

As someone in a TS relationship I fully agree with Holzz and yourself that Simone who finds my partner or any TS attractive is responding to a straight, heterosexual attraction.

However, once someone is aware that said TS is blessed with the specific male memeber then they have a decision to make. I decided I didn’t care, in fact, I like it and. If that makes me a bit gay or at least bi, so what.

But some contributors here make it plain that their obsession is with the penis, not the person. Fair enough, but to then lay claim to be 100% straight simply because the owner of the penis is incredibly feminine is, potentially, disingenuous at the least.

I’m not saying liking a TS makes you gay. I am saying loving cocks means you don’t get to lay claim to being 100% straight.

[harry24844722]

Lots of interesting comments about this but I would say that it's all down to how the individual really feels. I like both GG and TS but they have to be feminine and with boobs. I can't see how I can call myself gay if I don't like the male form? On the other hand I like being bottom so it's not black or white at all more a shade of grey. That's my contribution.

[Ts RedVeX]

It is the communists who do not like homosexuals (which I have proven in my HIV statistics thread) that want to make all male homosexuals and bisexuals feel bad about themselves by means of labels such as "gay", blocking traffic to piss the heterosexuals, who actually do not give jack shit about who you shag, off with "gay prides" and "gay rights" and other activities propelled by the homophobic LGBT-activists and organisations like wearing "gay" clothes in public... I'd say let's chip-in for a helicopter and... Where the hell did that link go?.. xd

P.S. I know an anecdote:

Son: "Dad I need to tell you something"..
Dad: "Go on"
Son: "I'm gay"
Dad: "Are you vegan, believe in global warming and and have a pink Audi TT and a mansion with a swimming pool? - No? Then you are a homo, not gay"!
:dead:

[smalltownguy]

It is the communists who do not like homosexuals (which I have proven in my HIV statistics thread) that want to make all male homosexuals and bisexuals feel bad about themselves by means of labels such as "gay", blocking traffic to piss the heterosexuals, who actually do not give jack shit about who you shag, off with "gay prides" and "gay rights" and other activities propelled by the homophobic LGBT-activists and organisations like wearing "gay" clothes in public... I'd say let's chip-in for a helicopter and... Where the hell did that link go?.. xd

P.S. I know an anecdote:

Son: "Dad I need to tell you something"..
Dad: "Go on"
Son: "I'm gay"
Dad: "Are you vegan, believe in global warming and and have a pink Audi TT and a mansion with a swimming pool? - No? Then you are a homo, not gay"!
:dead:

:dead: :dead: :dead:

[love_them_boobs]

lol @ quoting Andrew “Dice” Clay and lmao @ missing his point

I didn't miss any points. But thanks.

[bluesoul]

But the guy never got fucked. It was just his GF who had a burning desire to fuck men in the ass.
See, if a woman desires to fuck men or TS chicks in the butt, no one thinks much of it.

then i wouldn't call her gay. i'd think she was a sadist depending on why she wanted to fuck a man in the ass with a strap-on. does she like to put men in submissive positions? i'd think she was a lesbian if she had desires to use the strap-on on a woman

[holzz]

So you like girls who either used to be or sometimes still are guy a to put their dicks in your ass?
Yeah, you’ve convinced me, you’re definitely a million percent straight!

And all those posts you keep placing telling people how little you care if they think your gay? They sure as hell make us think you don’t want people to think you’re gay.

Face it Holzz, you’re not just a bit gay, your so far in the closet I bet your post code is in fucking Narnia!

you've said you have a ts gf. so then the basic fact you have this surely makes you gay. your lambasting of me is thus highly comical. but then if you respond "i never bottom", then it's even more funny.

[Aticus100]

you've said you have a ts gf. so then the basic fact you have this surely makes you gay. your lambasting of me is thus highly comical. but then if you respond "i never bottom", then it's even more funny.

Yes Holzz, I have a TS partner and I love her cock (regardless of wether she fucks me or not) and I’m completely comfortable of that makes me a bit gay. I do t care if it makes me a lot gay. Or not gay at all.

Your posts suggest you are pretty much cock obsessed and not particularly bothered how feminine the TS it is attached to is yet determined to see yourself as entirely straight.

The reason I lambast you is that you seem to treat the badge of “gay” as something you need to deny.

[mikelangelo1]

Lets openly discuss this like adults, is it gay or not?
lol, well its a little gay but its ok!

[Aticus100]

lol, well its a little gay but its ok!

And this probably sums it up perfectly (at least for me it does)

[giovanni_hotel]

then i wouldn't call her gay. i'd think she was a sadist depending on why she wanted to fuck a man in the ass with a strap-on. does she like to put men in submissive positions? i'd think she was a lesbian if she had desires to use the strap-on on a woman

She just had penis envy and wanted to feel what it was like to penetrate someone else, instead of being
fucked herself.

[holzz]

and no, mr. atticus, i don't think liking cock per se makes one gay. there is somethng about ts women AND cock that gets it for me. a cis man and a cock, ewww..no.

again, people can cite that as rationalisation, or denying reality. it's like people who think they're "less gay" for topping and not bottoming. but then for some, liking trans women in any form is bi at least. it's relative/subjective. that said, i don't think any man into TS women is gay, if he were then a woman's appearance wouldn't do it for him.

[love_them_boobs]

and no, mr. atticus, i don't think liking cock per se makes one gay. there is somethng about ts women AND cock that gets it for me. a cis man and a cock, ewww..no.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY711HJK7pg

[holzz]

Yes Holzz, I have a TS partner and I love her cock (regardless of wether she fucks me or not) and I’m completely comfortable of that makes me a bit gay. I do t care if it makes me a lot gay. Or not gay at all.

Your posts suggest you are pretty much cock obsessed and not particularly bothered how feminine the TS it is attached to is yet determined to see yourself as entirely straight.

The reason I lambast you is that you seem to treat the badge of “gay” as something you need to deny.

i like both women's looks and a cock. you seem obsessed with saying what is gay or not. my honest view is that any man into trans women isn't gay, period. being gay, by definition, is finding men attractive. ts women are not men, unless you believe having boobs or curves are masculine anatomical points.

[holzz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY711HJK7pg

then we agree to disagree.

So if you saw somebody like Bailey Jay or Melody Monae in the street with clothes, without knowing who they were, would say you were gay or straight? straight, i bet. but if you knew they were trans and had dicks, does it all of a sudden make you gay/flaming? no.

we'll discuss this until the cows come home. i don't think it's gay, you and atticus et al do.

[love_them_boobs]

then we agree to disagree.

So if you saw somebody like Bailey Jay or Melody Monae in the street with clothes, without knowing who they were, would say you were gay or straight? straight, i bet. but if you knew they were trans and had dicks, does it all of a sudden make you gay/flaming? no.

we'll discuss this until the cows come home. i don't think it's gay, you and atticus et al do.

I wasn't attempting to make a comment one way or the other on this topic with my response to you. I just thought the video was appropriate. And funny! Cause you know, he kinda talks about that... yeah. I'll just be going now.

[Aticus100]

then we agree to disagree.

So if you saw somebody like Bailey Jay or Melody Monae in the street with clothes, without knowing who they were, would say you were gay or straight? straight, i bet. but if you knew they were trans and had dicks, does it all of a sudden make you gay/flaming? no.

we'll discuss this until the cows come home. i don't think it's gay, you and atticus et al do.

To be fair I’m playing devils advocate a bit.

I was 100% straight when I met my partner and not knowing she was Trans was attracted to her entirely as a woman.

However, once I discovered she had a cock I simply worked with what was at hand, so to speak. She is far more than simply what is in her underwear (as are we all)

Now though, I thoroughly enjoy what’s in her underwear, and feel the same about other TS if they are exceptionally fem.

In that aspect, you and I are completely the same.

However, the fact that her penis is absolutely, solely and entirely a male apendidge means that I completely comfortable describing myself as a bit gay. Bi, if you like, in my attraction to that aspect of her.

You are adamant that an attraction to penises is not in the least gay and, in my opinion, that is flawed, but clearly there, we differ.

[Aticus100]

and no, mr. atticus, i don't think liking cock per se makes one gay. there is somethng about ts women AND cock that gets it for me. a cis man and a cock, ewww..no.

Ok Holzz, brace yourself. Here comes the slap.

In this and other posts you keep referring to how liking gorgeous women who happen to have cocks does not make you gay and your not into masculinity so that means you straight. Fair enough. I’ll go along with that.

Here is a pic of an escort you reviewed after your SECOND visit!

Now I don’t want to be unkind and every Tgirl is beautiful in their own way and all are on a journey, some further along than others.

But if a stunning, ultra fem TS is at one end of the scale and a chunky, six foot dude in a gimp mask is at the other, then you don’t get to tell me me you’re not a little bit gay when this young lady warranted a second visit from you!!!
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[LovinThaTSLadiez]

ok holzz, brace yourself. Here comes the slap.

In this and other posts you keep referring to how liking gorgeous women who happen to have cocks does not make you gay and your not into masculinity so that means you straight. Fair enough. I’ll go along with that.

Here is a pic of an escort you reviewed after your second visit!

Now i don’t want to be unkind and every tgirl is beautiful in their own way and all are on a journey, some further along than others.

But if a stunning, ultra fem ts is at one end of the scale and a chunky, six foot dude in a gimp mask is at the other, then you don’t get to tell me me you’re not a little bit gay when this young lady warranted a second visit from you!!!
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lmfao!

[dakota87]

Is it gay to be attracted/intimate with Trannies?


it makes me happy.

[buttslinger]

If you ask me:
If you start with a normal human being and add 500 pounds of un-needed BS, that's a woman.
Add 600, he's gay.
add 800, that's a transsexual.
HA HA HA.
I thought it was Oscar Wilde who said "There is no such thing as a normal sex life"
but I could be wrong.
There is no doubt in my mind that the people with the best sex lives are the complete freaks.
If the question was "do you want to BE a tranny?"
I think you would find that the trannies would say yes, everyone else would say no.

[Lester316]

What a strange thing to say Lester.

If I find a gag relevant and funny, I will use it where it fits regardless of age or author. Just like you do, just like everyone does. That ok with you princess?

As someone in a TS relationship I fully agree with Holzz and yourself that Simone who finds my partner or any TS attractive is responding to a straight, heterosexual attraction.

However, once someone is aware that said TS is blessed with the specific male memeber then they have a decision to make. I decided I didn’t care, in fact, I like it and. If that makes me a bit gay or at least bi, so what.

But some contributors here make it plain that their obsession is with the penis, not the person. Fair enough, but to then lay claim to be 100% straight simply because the owner of the penis is incredibly feminine is, potentially, disingenuous at the least.

I’m not saying liking a TS makes you gay. I am saying loving cocks means you don’t get to lay claim to being 100% straight.

The line you used:

"Face it Holzz, you’re not just a bit gay, your so far in the closet I bet your post code is in fucking Narnia!"

That's not saying someone can't claim to be 100% straight, there is no 'only a bit gay' or 'curious' about your point there; try remembering what you actually said.

Critiquing your very out of date humour isn't a strange thing at all considering your views are (I'll copy you a bit here you might not pick up on it...) so out of touch they are in the last century with the original publishing dates of the Chronicles of Narnia series.

You can't help but be condescending anyhow; it's clearly part of your character to be quite petty isn't it or you wouldn't have added on the princess comment.

Enjoy being a fool. It suits you well.

(Also it's you're not your - in the context you used the word. But then fools tend to be illiterate).

[Aticus100]

I’m sorry you don’t appreciate my humour Lester, but you did recognise it as humour which makes your taking it so seriously a little ridiculous.

It’s ironic you find me petty yet feel the need to point out a typo on my phone in spite of clearly understanding the intent.

Your suggestion that my views are from the last century suggest you haven’t really paid much attention (can’t blame you, it’s only a chat room)

My condescending nature tends to be reserved for those that deserve it. Holzz is a regular and clearly valued contributor to this forum but sometimes the bullshit demands rebuke.

And I’m sorry if calling you princess upset you so much, fanboy.

(And ffs take the last line as a joke. It’s a forum but if it were a chat in a pub we would be laughing and taking the piss out of each other, just cos it’s put down in text does not mean you have do overthink and hence take offence at every little quip or comment)

[Lester316]

I’m sorry you don’t appreciate my humour Lester, but you did recognise it as humour which makes your taking it so seriously a little ridiculous.

It’s ironic you find me petty yet feel the need to point out a typo on my phone in spite of clearly understanding the intent.

Your suggestion that my views are from the last century suggest you haven’t really paid much attention (can’t blame you, it’s only a chat room)

My condescending nature tends to be reserved for those that deserve it. Holzz is a regular and clearly valued contributor to this forum but sometimes the bullshit demands rebuke.

And I’m sorry if calling you princess upset you so much, fanboy.

(And ffs take the last line as a joke. It’s a forum but if it were a chat in a pub we would be laughing and taking the piss out of each other, just cos it’s put down in text does not mean you have do overthink and hence take offence at every little quip or comment)

I got the attempt at humour but it was the sort of humour from 10-20 years ago that some people thought was a viable alternative to the sexism, homophobia and misogyny of 70s working men's clubs that had finally become unacceptable. In my mind it is really just the same tired old shit with a different coat of paint sadly. Women are women whether they happened to transition or not and if you think it's OK to say that being attracted to them makes you gay (by definition attracted to men) then your views are clearly outdated.

Sometimes to let a person know about their own bullshit you have to lower your level and point out their failings. Pointing out your typo seems a small thing as opposed to searching the forums and bringing up posts people made years ago like you have done in the past.

As you say sometimes the bullshit demands rebuke - I've just been doing the same for you as you believe you did with Holzz.

Fanboy, princess; I actually don't care call me whatever you like. I doubt we would ever have the chance to have a laugh and drink down the pub I prefer to avoid the condescending types and stick to a more progressive crowd.

[giovanni_hotel]

The line you used:

"Face it Holzz, you’re not just a bit gay, your so far in the closet I bet your post code is in fucking Narnia!"

That's not saying someone can't claim to be 100% straight, there is no 'only a bit gay' or 'curious' about your point there; try remembering what you actually said.

Critiquing your very out of date humour isn't a strange thing at all considering your views are (I'll copy you a bit here you might not pick up on it...) so out of touch they are in the last century with the original publishing dates of the Chronicles of Narnia series.

You can't help but be condescending anyhow; it's clearly part of your character to be quite petty isn't it or you wouldn't have added on the princess comment.

Enjoy being a fool. It suits you well.

(Also it's you're not your - in the context you used the word. But then fools tend to be illiterate).

You do realize the Chronicles of Narnia have been adapted into a series of successful movies the last few years??
That reference believe it or not is now current.

[Lester316]

You do realize the Chronicles of Narnia have been adapted into a series of successful movies the last few years??
That reference believe it or not is now current.

Wow really???

But seriously The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe was released in 2005 the same year Frankie Boyle (who was telling the same joke) started on Mock the Week. So 12 years ago...

The reference believe it or not isn't current in any way.

[Aticus100]

I got the attempt at humour but it was the sort of humour from 10-20 years ago that some people thought was a viable alternative to the sexism, homophobia and misogyny of 70s working men's clubs that had finally become unacceptable. In my mind it is really just the same tired old shit with a different coat of paint sadly. Women are women whether they happened to transition or not and if you think it's OK to say that being attracted to them makes you gay (by definition attracted to men) then your views are clearly outdated.

Sometimes to let a person know about their own bullshit you have to lower your level and point out their failings. Pointing out your typo seems a small thing as opposed to searching the forums and bringing up posts people made years ago like you have done in the past.

As you say sometimes the bullshit demands rebuke - I've just been doing the same for you as you believe you did with Holzz.

Fanboy, princess; I actually don't care call me whatever you like. I doubt we would ever have the chance to have a laugh and drink down the pub I prefer to avoid the condescending types and stick to a more progressive crowd.

Lester, I'm gonna have to call bullshit on pretty much your whole post.

Me suggestion jokingly that Holzz is "in the closet" does not equate to me claiming that all men who are attracted to Trans women are gay, no mater how hard you may try to portray it as such for your own ends.

If you actually read my posts you would see that I am a straight guy in a relationship with a trans woman. My opinion however, is that to be somewhat penis obsessed, you might be open to the possibility that you are, to some extent, gay or bi.

Since meeting my OH and deciding I actually quite like cocks, I'm happy to call myself bi. You can call yourself whatever you like.

To be honest, all of your misplaced accusations of sexism, homophobia and misogyny just sound like a load of "White Knighting" on your part in the hope of impressing Trans readers.

You say that in the past I have searched the forum to drag up posts made years ago? Simply not true. This is the first time I have ever referenced a past post and it was made a couple of weeks ago.

And you are always welcome to rebuke my bullshit. That's half the fun of forums.

You're right about us not meeting in the pub. I'd be the one at the bar doing shots with the Ladyboys and you'd be the one in the corner referencing footnote quotes from dead Italian physicists and dead French philosophers while bemoaning others for not having comedic references that are up to date enough for your taste.

[Lester316]

Lester, I'm gonna have to call bullshit on pretty much your whole post.

Me suggestion jokingly that Holzz is "in the closet" does not equate to me claiming that all men who are attracted to Trans women are gay, no mater how hard you may try to portray it as such for your own ends.

If you actually read my posts you would see that I am a straight guy in a relationship with a trans woman. My opinion however, is that to be somewhat penis obsessed, you might be open to the possibility that you are, to some extent, gay or bi.

Since meeting my OH and deciding I actually quite like cocks, I'm happy to call myself bi. You can call yourself whatever you like.

To be honest, all of your misplaced accusations of sexism, homophobia and misogyny just sound like a load of "White Knighting" on your part in the hope of impressing Trans readers.

You say that in the past I have searched the forum to drag up posts made years ago? Simply not true. This is the first time I have ever referenced a past post and it was made a couple of weeks ago.

And you are always welcome to rebuke my bullshit. That's half the fun of forums.

You're right about us not meeting in the pub. I'd be the one at the bar doing shots with the Ladyboys and you'd be the one in the corner referencing footnote quotes from dead Italian physicists and dead French philosophers while bemoaning others for not having comedic references that are up to date enough for your taste.

Call bullshit all you like; you are of course entitled to your opinion I just don't agree with you. White Knighting.. so often a term used by those that say offensive things to try and mask their own failings; you're not far away from crying fake news like Trump.

I have no desire to read your previous posts to see if they justify you saying things that I believe are wrong on a separate occasion either. You can suggest it was said jokingly (often another way for people to try and justify being offensive) I don't really believe that.

You missed the point about your comedic references clearly by the way; it's not about how up to date they are in terms of time but in their sensibilities. You referenced Frankie Boyle an awful comedian whose MO is to say unfiltered, offensive and hurtful things about people he has no respect for and then use the excuse "it's comedy"; comedic taste is one thing I quite enjoy plenty of current comedians just not the ones that enjoy scraping the bottom of the barrel for their cheap laughs.

I might have references from dead people on my post(s) footnote but at least they were people capable of rational thought without playing to the lowest common denominator; also last I checked this is a written/typed forum not the pub so they seem fairly appropriate here. Next time in the pub I'll be the one having a pleasant evening with some friends whilst you peek in the window from under your bridge as you play fantasy land in your head and imagine being surrounded at the bar.

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

Lester, I'm gonna have to call bullshit on pretty much your whole post.

Me suggestion jokingly that Holzz is "in the closet" does not equate to me claiming that all men who are attracted to Trans women are gay, no mater how hard you may try to portray it as such for your own ends.

If you actually read my posts you would see that I am a straight guy in a relationship with a trans woman. My opinion however, is that to be somewhat penis obsessed, you might be open to the possibility that you are, to some extent, gay or bi.

Since meeting my OH and deciding I actually quite like cocks, I'm happy to call myself bi. You can call yourself whatever you like.

To be honest, all of your misplaced accusations of sexism, homophobia and misogyny just sound like a load of "White Knighting" on your part in the hope of impressing Trans readers.

You say that in the past I have searched the forum to drag up posts made years ago? Simply not true. This is the first time I have ever referenced a past post and it was made a couple of weeks ago.

And you are always welcome to rebuke my bullshit. That's half the fun of forums.

You're right about us not meeting in the pub. I'd be the one at the bar doing shots with the Ladyboys and you'd be the one in the corner referencing footnote quotes from dead Italian physicists and dead French philosophers while bemoaning others for not having comedic references that are up to date enough for your taste.

Wow. This conversation between you two is seemingly going to last forever. I'm with you though on the point that if one likes cock, which is a male sexual organ, that individual is not 100% straight, which is why I refer to myself as bisexual. I am not into masculinity whatsoever. But a feminine male, or a transsexual girl is what I truly fancy. I personally much prefer cock over vagina, so to call myself straight seems a bit ridiculous to me.

Some people seem to have an obsession with being "straight" because of some stigma of being thought of as gay. Labels are silly at the end of the day. Like I said in a previous post, I think we should all be in touch with who we are and be happy, (gay haha), that we have found out that we like TS girls and femboys. I'm a much happier man because of it. It makes sense now why I got board with sex so often when I was with genetic girls. For me, sex is just too limited with them.

[Huevos_Rancheros]

Wow. This conversation between you two is seemingly going to last forever. I'm with you though on the point that if one likes cock, which is a male sexual organ, that individual is not 100% straight, which is why I refer to myself as bisexual. I am not into masculinity whatsoever. But a feminine male, or a transsexual girl is what I truly fancy. I personally much prefer cock over vagina, so to call myself straight seems a bit ridiculous to me.

Some people seem to have an obsession with being "straight" because of some stigma of being thought of as gay. Labels are silly at the end of the day. Like I said in a previous post, I think we should all be in touch with who we are and be happy, (gay haha), that we have found out that we like TS girls and femboys. I'm a much happier man because of it. It makes sense now why I got board with sex so often when I was with genetic girls. For me, sex is just too limited with them.

I agree. Don't get hung up on labels. Whatever turns you on is whatever turns you on. I like this music video which offers up a third option beyond gay or straight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUDab9piv_U

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

Bored, not board from my previous post.

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

I agree. Don't get hung up on labels. Whatever turns you on is whatever turns you on. I like this music video which offers up a third option beyond gay or straight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUDab9piv_U

LMAO! This is fucking hilarious! Thanks for posting.

[Aticus100]

Wow. This conversation between you two is seemingly going to last forever. I'm with you though on the point that if one likes cock, which is a male sexual organ, that individual is not 100% straight, which is why I refer to myself as bisexual. I am not into masculinity whatsoever. But a feminine male, or a transsexual girl is what I truly fancy. I personally much prefer cock over vagina, so to call myself straight seems a bit ridiculous to me.

Some people seem to have an obsession with being "straight" because of some stigma of being thought of as gay. Labels are silly at the end of the day. Like I said in a previous post, I think we should all be in touch with who we are and be happy, (gay haha), that we have found out that we like TS girls and femboys. I'm a much happier man because of it. It makes sense now why I got board with sex so often when I was with genetic girls. For me, sex is just too limited with them.

Completely agree with you about it being a shame so many guys have hang ups about being referred to as anything other than straight. It’s this king of ego driven self denial that keeps the prejudices toward any sexuality other than straight alive.

The sooner more people are happy to admit that they are what they are the sooner society will move away from the polarising views of sexuality that it has.

[Aticus100]

Call bullshit all you like; you are of course entitled to your opinion I just don't agree with you. White Knighting.. so often a term used by those that say offensive things to try and mask their own failings; you're not far away from crying fake news like Trump.

I have no desire to read your previous posts to see if they justify you saying things that I believe are wrong on a separate occasion either. You can suggest it was said jokingly (often another way for people to try and justify being offensive) I don't really believe that.

You missed the point about your comedic references clearly by the way; it's not about how up to date they are in terms of time but in their sensibilities. You referenced Frankie Boyle an awful comedian whose MO is to say unfiltered, offensive and hurtful things about people he has no respect for and then use the excuse "it's comedy"; comedic taste is one thing I quite enjoy plenty of current comedians just not the ones that enjoy scraping the bottom of the barrel for their cheap laughs.

I might have references from dead people on my post(s) footnote but at least they were people capable of rational thought without playing to the lowest common denominator; also last I checked this is a written/typed forum not the pub so they seem fairly appropriate here. Next time in the pub I'll be the one having a pleasant evening with some friends whilst you peek in the window from under your bridge as you play fantasy land in your head and imagine being surrounded at the bar.

Lester, you need to look up “White Knighting”. You clearly don’t understand the term.

As for your near obsessive issue with Frankie Boyle, I had no idea the Narnia gag came from him but regardless how offensive you may find him, it’s a good gag. Get over it.

As for “you’ll be looking through the widow”, no, I literally meant my usual Friday night is doing shots with a crowd of ladyboys. that bit wasn’t a gag aimed at making you feel envious. It’s was a discription if my social life.

[Lester316]

Lester, you need to look up “White Knighting”. You clearly don’t understand the term.

As for your near obsessive issue with Frankie Boyle, I had no idea the Narnia gag came from him but regardless how offensive you may find him, it’s a good gag. Get over it.

As for “you’ll be looking through the widow”, no, I literally meant my usual Friday night is doing shots with a crowd of ladyboys. that bit wasn’t a gag aimed at making you feel envious. It’s was a discription if my social life.

I know exactly what White Knighting is; my point was you were trying to distract from your own failings by deflecting.

It's not a good gag.

Your usual Friday night? Doing shots at a crowded bar in Hampshire full of Ladyboys... pull the other one. I'm wouldn't be jealous regardless even if it was close to reality; I can think of better things to do than doing shots, I like my liver healthy and intact thanks.

[Aticus100]

As you mentioned above Lester, you didn't bother reading the preceding comments which is why you took a comedic reference completely out of context. That's your failing.

And it is fair to say there are not many crowded bars in Andover and if there were, my partner is literally the only Ladyboy in the village.

Just as well we live in Birmingham at the weekend where the Thai and Filipino trans community is thriving.

[Lester316]

As you mentioned above Lester, you didn't bother reading the preceding comments which is why you took a comedic reference completely out of context. That's your failing.

And it is fair to say there are not many crowded bars in Andover and if there were, my partner is literally the only Ladyboy in the village.

Just as well we live in Birmingham at the weekend where the Thai and Filipino trans community is thriving.

Whether something is in or out of context is no defence for certain comments.

Let me be clear; I despise labels of all sorts; it is redundant thinking born from social constructionism where people feel forced into placing themselves into neatly labelled categories for those that can't cope with "different". People can be whatever they like as far as I'm concerned so labelling someone as gay, straight or whatever (whether it be serious or meant in humour) only services to prop up that kind of backward thinking.

[Aticus100]

Whether something is in or out of context is no defence for certain comments.

Let me be clear; I despise labels of all sorts; it is redundant thinking born from social constructionism where people feel forced into placing themselves into neatly labelled categories for those that can't cope with "different". People can be whatever they like as far as I'm concerned so labelling someone as gay, straight or whatever (whether it be serious or meant in humour) only services to prop up that kind of backward thinking.

BOOM! and there's the point. I wasn't the one doing the labelling, Holzz was as he seems to see "gay" as something he needs to distance himself from by laying claim to only being attracted to femininity.

Which is why my rebuke pointed to the somewhat less than feminine attributes of his chosen partners and followed up with a comedic reference to how "gay" he was.

You see in some instances, context is everything.

[Lester316]

BOOM! and there's the point. I wasn't the one doing the labelling, Holzz was as he seems to see "gay" as something he needs to distance himself from by laying claim to only being attracted to femininity.

Which is why my rebuke pointed to the somewhat less than feminine attributes of his chosen partners and followed up with a comedic reference to how "gay" he was.

You see in some instances, context is everything.

My point is that sometimes context doesn't help; you used "gay" to insult him, whether done through comedy or seriousness you were labelling someone. Whether he wants to be seen as straight or gay; it's not your right to label him just to prove your point. How about in future just pointing out he can be who he wants to be and doesn't need a label rather than resort to poor humour?

[Aticus100]

I've thought about your comments quite a bit and taken into consideration that they may be well intentioned and intended as advice.

But I prefer poor humour.

Actually, scrap that. You dived in to take offence on someone else's behalf by laying a weak claim to be offended by something without having a clue about the context. That's the kind of nonsense that sees Wing Commander Guy Gibson's dog written out of history lest someone take offence at its name.

If on a Transgender forum (FFS!) contributors can't use the word "gay" without you choosing to take up the mantle of the Humour Police when you decide it has been used in a context you don't approve then you need to ask yourself if you on the right kind forum!

[Lester316]

I've thought about your comments quite a bit and taken into consideration that they may be well intentioned and intended as advice.

But I prefer poor humour.

Actually, scrap that. You dived in to take offence on someone else's behalf by laying a weak claim to be offended by something without having a clue about the context. That's the kind of nonsense that sees Wing Commander Guy Gibson's dog written out of history lest someone take offence at its name.

If on a Transgender forum (FFS!) contributors can't use the word "gay" without you choosing to take up the mantle of the Humour Police when you decide it has been used in a context you don't approve then you need to ask yourself if you on the right kind forum!

Or seeing as we're on a Transgender forum you could consider that what you say to one person might not offend them but could others. As I said context is often irrelevant; your awful humour is secondary, your ease of using labels as an insult is worse.

I've taken your justifications for what you said and why into consideration and I think you're guilty of hypocrisy. According to your posts you've found someone special, have a nice enough life to live away at the weekends and party at bars amongst others who you feel comfortable being yourself around but you also take the time to label people and make jokes about their sexuality.

Perhaps if you weren't apparently so lucky to have found acceptance in a world that can be quite vile about people's differences you would be less likely to make jokes at the expense of others.

I'd suggest that someone who thinks making jokes about people being in the closet really doesn't belong on a forum built on the acceptance of all our differences as a positive thing.

[KelliBlueEyes]

Or seeing as we're on a Transgender forum you could consider that what you say to one person might not offend them but could others. As I said context is often irrelevant; your awful humour is secondary, your ease of using labels as an insult is worse.

I've taken your justifications for what you said and why into consideration and I think you're guilty of hypocrisy. According to your posts you've found someone special, have a nice enough life to live away at the weekends and party at bars amongst others who you feel comfortable being yourself around but you also take the time to label people and make jokes about their sexuality.

Perhaps if you weren't apparently so lucky to have found acceptance in a world that can be quite vile about people's differences you would be less likely to make jokes at the expense of others.

I'd suggest that someone who thinks making jokes about people being in the closet really doesn't belong on a forum built on the acceptance of all our differences as a positive thing.

I’m more offended by a cis male using the term “tranny” as was done in thread title.

[Aticus100]

Or seeing as we're on a Transgender forum you could consider that what you say to one person might not offend them but could others. As I said context is often irrelevant; your awful humour is secondary, your ease of using labels as an insult is worse.

I've taken your justifications for what you said and why into consideration and I think you're guilty of hypocrisy. According to your posts you've found someone special, have a nice enough life to live away at the weekends and party at bars amongst others who you feel comfortable being yourself around but you also take the time to label people and make jokes about their sexuality.

Perhaps if you weren't apparently so lucky to have found acceptance in a world that can be quite vile about people's differences you would be less likely to make jokes at the expense of others.

I'd suggest that someone who thinks making jokes about people being in the closet really doesn't belong on a forum built on the acceptance of all our differences as a positive thing.

I think Lester, that you have completely lost yourself in your determination to be offended at the me making a joke about Holzz being in the closet.

You seem to be casting around for ways in which you can display that I have offended not only yourself but unnamed others.

As you say, we are on a forum in which a great many members will undoubtedly be “in the closet”. If ever there was a forum on which being in the closet was a relevant jocular reference then this is it.

[Lester316]

I’m more offended by a cis male using the term “tranny” as was done in thread title.

Very good point; there are too many threads with titles that shouldn't have the names they do. Considering Grooby's push to rebrand I'm surprised on a forum they own that more of an effort hasn't been made to rectify that issue.

[Laphroaig]

Very good point; there are too many threads with titles that shouldn't have the names they do. Considering Grooby's push to rebrand I'm surprised on a forum they own that more of an effort hasn't been made to rectify that issue.

Some discussion of that here:

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?105343-Editing-Thread-Names

[Lester316]

I think Lester, that you have completely lost yourself in your determination to be offended at the me making a joke about Holzz being in the closet.

You seem to be casting around for ways in which you can display that I have offended not only yourself but unnamed others.

As you say, we are on a forum in which a great many members will undoubtedly be “in the closet”. If ever there was a forum on which being in the closet was a relevant jocular reference then this is it.

I haven't lost myself at all; but you still seem to think certain jokes are just fine sadly.

It's hard enough for people to come out; this forum could/should be a place where they might take their first steps in doing so (whether they are transitioning, gay, bi, confused or whatever) but instead how about we keep it a place where those lucky enough to be comfortable in their current situation can take the piss. You will be happy with that at least.

[Aticus100]

I haven't lost myself at all; but you still seem to think certain jokes are just fine sadly.

It's hard enough for people to come out; this forum could/should be a place where they might take their first steps in doing so (whether they are transitioning, gay, bi, confused or whatever) but instead how about we keep it a place where those lucky enough to be comfortable in their current situation can take the piss. You will be happy with that at least.

I think that’s and fair and reasonable propstiotion, however, like it or not I have a caveat.

I reserve the right to take the piss out of Holzz in any way I deam fit wether you choose to be offended on is behalf or not.

This is not a case of me choosing some random poor and undeserving individual to pick on and as someone who has been on this forum far longer than myself you must know this.

[KelliBlueEyes]

Some discussion of that here:

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?105343-Editing-Thread-Names


And i read that discussion
Shameful that it’s acceptable and common to use a slur against trans people on a trans oriented forum, but if i started a thread “sex with [insert slur here]” I’d get shit for it

[Crossover1]

And i read that discussion
Shameful that it’s acceptable and common to use a slur against trans people on a trans oriented forum, but if i started a thread “sex with [insert slur here]” I’d get shit for it

Oh get over it. Language policing is a bore, and while "tranny" may be coarse, it's not exactly like saying 'faggot' or the n word. It's a word that mostly refers to transsexuals in the context of porn, a sort of shorthand. I've never understood why it's offensive.

[Laphroaig]

Oh get over it. Language policing is a bore, and while "tranny" may be coarse, it's not exactly like saying 'faggot' or the n word. It's a word that mostly refers to transsexuals in the context of porn, a sort of shorthand. I've never understood why it's offensive.

Yet you "policed" yourself by not saying the n word...:shrug

Just because you don't understand why a word is offensive doesn't mean that it isn't. For example, "Paki" is just an abbreviation of the word Pakistani, yet it's generally accepted these days that it's use is derogatory and offensive. As with many aspects of language, the context of use is important.

[Dave_nz]

I dont consider myself gay, bi yes, but not gay. I do love transsexuals.. a lot. Damn i find them so arousing. My dream would be to be fucked by one

[KelliBlueEyes]

Oh get over it. Language policing is a bore, and while "tranny" may be coarse, it's not exactly like saying 'faggot' or the n word. It's a word that mostly refers to transsexuals in the context of porn, a sort of shorthand. I've never understood why it's offensive.

So if i start a thread entitled “Is it gay to be attracted/intimate with faggots?” that’s only offensive to fags? I guess that’s fine since there are no fags here.

[Lester316]

Oh get over it. Language policing is a bore, and while "tranny" may be coarse, it's not exactly like saying 'faggot' or the n word. It's a word that mostly refers to transsexuals in the context of porn, a sort of shorthand. I've never understood why it's offensive.

Are you the target of that term though? You don't find it offensive as it isn't aimed at you perhaps; in which case how can you tell someone who it is aimed at how they should feel about it?

The exact same argument you used was applied through history for no end of words including the N and F words you mentioned and it has only been as time has moved on; communities have gained a greater voice than when they were more oppressed than now and when others have been better educated as to what is right and wrong that those terms were finally seen as unacceptable by a greater majority of people.

Treating people equally whomever they are doesn't stop once some minority groups aren't being persecuted and/or disrespected as much as they were in the past; equality is only real when it applies to everyone. Language history teaches us that dominant cultures "other" those they fear or don't understand by using terms to make them appear strange, different and less equal. On a forum like this we should be leading the example for change not choosing to continue to offend because it doesn't bother us.

[Lester316]

I think that’s and fair and reasonable propstiotion, however, like it or not I have a caveat.

I reserve the right to take the piss out of Holzz in any way I deam fit wether you choose to be offended on is behalf or not.

This is not a case of me choosing some random poor and undeserving individual to pick on and as someone who has been on this forum far longer than myself you must know this.

I will admit I don't always agree with Holzz's posts; I've argued with him on occasion and most likely called him an idiot at least once. I still think that there are better ways - take the piss out of him without making certain comparisons we've debated in this thread perhaps. But I will concede that in the very least using my own logic I ought to apologise to idiots in general - as in the past I didn't mean to offend them I was just trying to make him realise what he was saying was ludicrous.

[holzz]

don't worry, i'm not offended. he doesn't seem to like me, but i dont give two, ten, a million, a quintillion, fucks. lol.

[alan327]

Getting back to the ? My opinion is that it is Not gay to be attracted or intimate with a Transexual.

[william.howl]

Is it gay? It might be. Does it matter?
I am 45 years old now. I used to worry to death about what was gay and what wasn't. I don't anymore. It is a futile exercise. I like what I like and that's all that matters.

[Ghostface]

Is it gay? It might be. Does it matter?
I am 45 years old now. I used to worry to death about what was gay and what wasn't. I don't anymore. It is a futile exercise. I like what I like and that's all that matters.

Same with me really. I really enjoy sucking cock....but only when it’s attached to a stunning ladyboy/TS/TV. So must be in some part Bi?

[Aticus100]

don't worry, i'm not offended. he doesn't seem to like me, but i dont give two, ten, a million, a quintillion, fucks. lol.

I don’t often agree with you Holzz, that has nothing to do with wether I like you or not.

[holzz]

well i disagree with you. i get your point that a trans woman may have a dick. and that alone may make it gay. i don't agree. for me, it's a cock AND a woman's appearance. cocks alone don't do it for me at least. but no matter, we all have our views.

[mikelangelo1]

in my opinion, the criteria to definite yourself as gay is if u are attracted or not by the male figure...if u are attracted by a pretty tgirl who happens to have a cock, it makes u a rather a naughty person or open to pleasures without hesitation, but not a gay definitily..of course this urge, can lead sometimes in more ..gay situations , but it depends on how u really feel.

[alsween]

I don't think it's gay. I love women. I have gay friends. We're not attracted to the same people. As for the language we use, I just try to be respectful and call people what they want to be called. Having said that, I do type in certain words when I search for porn because I have to in order to find what I like.

[Aticus100]

well i disagree with you. i get your point that a trans woman may have a dick. and that alone may make it gay. i don't agree. for me, it's a cock AND a woman's appearance. cocks alone don't do it for me at least. but no matter, we all have our views.

I guess I can see how that works.

If a feminine individual is attractive enough, I will fancy them weather they have a penis or a vagina and I will work with whatever is in their underwear.

Conversely, if a person is masculine enough, be they guy, manley TS or masculine woman, then I will not be attracted to them, no matter what is in their underwear.

To that extent, I see that as being straight but am entirely comfortable with people seeing me as straight, bi, gay, pan, whatever suits their comprehension best.

At the end of the day, others peoples opinion of me is their concern, not mine.

[alan327]

Here’s what I feel and think. If the Trans is good looking, sexy and has a great personality than I’m attracted. Of course I know she has a cock which makes it more appetizing for me but she has to have a femine side or I’m not into her.
It makes no difference what anyone thinks. If they are hot I am attracted to them. No guys don’t do it for me in anyway so as most guys would say. A lady with something extra!

[syla]

In a simple answer, yes and no. Yes this may be the gateway to gaydom. No if you leave it at trans women only.

I however have blurred the line so beautifully and enjoy the gay porn as well as the TS, And really just depends on my mood. Lol. (But that's just me)

[Aticus100]

My thoughts on this have swayed back and forth over the last few days )let alone the last few years)

Lots of opinion here that it is not gay because t girls are actualy women. We all know that they are factually male.

This essentially means that it is not down to what gender a TS is but what gender we perceive them as.

So the answer to “is it gay to be attracted to a TS?”

Only you know the answer for you.

[holzz]

they look, smell, and act like women. it's the same reason why men like cis women.

[holzz]

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/50/dc/ba/50dcba5c7fbbab8af2dc2c359c3a0368.jpg

https://imgix.ranker.com/user_node_img/598/11944766/original/emanuela-de-paula-all-people-photo-u2?w=650&q=50&fm=jpg&fit=crop&crop=faces

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DR0TbJdWkAAb-AU.jpg:large

the bottom two women are cis, whilst obviously Bailey Jay is trans. i don't see a difference, hence why i don't think liking trans women can be gay. but we're all arguing in circles, we all have our views, that is that. i'm not here to convince anybody what or who is right.

[LovetheLBs]

I think if the pictures were naked, you might see a difference :)

I can't believe this debate goes on and on.

[KelliBlueEyes]

Since the topic of the thread didn’t specify gender I just want to throw in my two cents that I think it would be pretty gay for cis males To sleep with any of my trans male friends even if they have vaginas are and are pretty hot

[alsween]

Since the topic of the thread didn’t specify gender I just want to throw in my two cents that I think it would be pretty gay for cis males To sleep with any of my trans male friends even if they have vaginas are and are pretty hot

It definitely would be. This is a very good point. I've never considered this.

[APD2]

Since the topic of the thread didn’t specify gender I just want to throw in my two cents that I think it would be pretty gay for cis males To sleep with any of my trans male friends even if they have vaginas are and are pretty hot
I dig both male-to-female and female-to-males. I guess there is no get out clause for me. :D

[bulldog]

Personally from a standpoint of logic, if a trans woman (MtF) considers herself in every aspect but her sexual organ to be a woman, if you slept with her or had a relationship with her, how could you as an individual logically think that is gay? Fuck what society thinks, what do you think?

Same scenario for a FtM person, if they consider themselves male and you do the same, how could you logically think that someone who identifies themselves as a man, and you identify yourself as a man, is not gay.

A physical act is neither inherently gay or not gay, people base that shit on what society claims and deems it as, which I say again, fuck what society thinks.

[keeef23]

Whew :yayo:

Read some, didn't find a conclusion.

Now can someone tell me, am I gay or not?
:banana: