Cliven Bundy

[kittyKaiti]

Cliven's not a hero. He's an excuse. He's an excuse for looney, white supremacist, anti-U.S. government, slimballs to get out their guns, wave them around and ejaculate a few rounds of stupidity, ignorance and hatred. They're such magnificent specimens of masculinity, don't you think?

You're implying the protesters and militia are Nazis, Klansmen and psychopaths. There is nothing more biased and ignorant going on than what you just spouted in your half-assed MSNBC style rhetoric. At no point have I seen any Nazi flags flying at Bundy Ranch. At no point does anyone scream Heil Hitler. And surely, you would be a total idiot to say they are all white supremacists. Your throwing around of race cards is typical of mainstream media to detract from the real issue. The moment you are getting wrecked in a debate, screaming out "RACISM" is your last resort. This has nothing to do with race. This has to do with 200 heavily armed federal agents pointing military combat weapons at a rural family, including children and women to enforce a bureaucratic bullshit grass eating law.

Truly scarey - a racist thief like Bundy gets to be a hero and attracts scores of armed nutcases prepared to kill because of their visceral hatred of the US Government.

We have guns because of you British tyrants. It isn't surprising that you guys across the ocean still rant and rave against American Constitutional freedoms and its exercise by law abiding citizens. Please, take Piers Morgan back, keep your Monarchy and enjoy your lack of sovereign human rights. Your cesspool of ultraliberalist dystopia should stay on your continent.

We Americans prefer to speak our mind freely, tell our corrupt government to suck our dicks whenever we want without fear of retaliation and defend our lives from violent police aggression. Essentially those are the First and Second Amendments in a gist. Something you don't have.

They were prepared to kill. Of course they were. That's what makes them patriots and heroes. They were the first line of defense if the BLM was to fire off a round. They were there to keep that family safe from a brutal Waco style massacre. That is exactly why nothing did happen, and exactly why the Feds backed down. The militia did their jobs professionally and effectively without a shot fired. Their presence warded off a tyrannical and disgusting display of excessive force against a 70 year old man and his family. If they were nutcases, blood would have been shed. These patriots were well organized and did a damn good job.

Old and young, black and white, they stand for justice and security. This is a photo of American freedom. When the government comes to kill you for feeding your cows grass, I'm damn proud knowing people are willing to lay down their lives for their fellow Americans in defense.

[Turlington]

http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.ht....tumblr.com%2F

[kittyKaiti]

http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.ht....tumblr.com%2F

Actually posting a CNN interview with Bundy after they sliced and diced the alleged "racist rant" clip to make him look like a racist to begin with despite evidence to the contrary in the original video? You're a little late to the party.

[Turlington]

[Prospero]

Interesting. The deepening divide in the US between the "grassroots' and the "liberal establishment' with the former here represented with great anger by our TS ladyfriend from New York. There is obviously a deep wellspring of hatred for Washington among many ordinary people. But perhaps the Tea Party and their ilk are looking at the wrong enemy. Perhaps they should be looking at big business instead - people like the Koch brothers - who fund he radical right to mobilise them against any limits on the greed and bad behaviour of the capitalists in the US (and the same picture is true in the wider world0. They tap into prejudice, like that nakedly revealed by this absurd and ignorant Bundy character, and the fear of some ordinary people, to turn their ire against the government - especially a government run by the Democrats. The notion of aspiring to achieve a more equal, air and just society is being turned on its head by the clever machinations of those with huge budgets to spend to pervert democracy and stir up grassroots hatred. Sinister times.

[kittyKaiti]

Yea... no. That is a chopped up, fabricated version of the full video.

Here:

Breaking News: Cliven Bundy's black militia body guard speaks out against claims of racism. (skip to 2:20 for the interview)

[Prospero]

Get real Kitty and confront the real enemy... the religious right and their funders. And please don't parade your profound ignorance about the UK again. It diminishes your own case.

[kittyKaiti]

Interesting. The deepening divide in the US between the "grassroots' and the "liberal establishment' with the former here represented with great anger by our TS ladyfriend from New York. There is obviously a deep wellspring of hatred for Washington among many ordinary people. But perhaps the Tea Party and their ilk are looking at the wrong enemy. Perhaps they should be looking at big business instead - people like the Koch brothers - who fund he radical right to mobilise them against any limits on the greed and bad behaviour of the capitalists in the US (and the same picture is true in the wider world0. They tap into prejudice, like that nakedly revealed by this absurd and ignorant Bundy character, and the fear of some ordinary people, to turn their ire against the government - especially a government run by the Democrats. The notion of aspiring to achieve a more equal, air and just society is being turned on its head by the clever machinations of those with huge budgets to spend to pervert democracy and stir up grassroots hatred. Sinister times.

The hatred is valid and is vented towards a multitude of those to blame. It is not just lobbyists themselves like the Koch Brothers. It is also corrupt politicians and judges who accept bribes and private backroom deals with corporate entities to vote on bills in their favor. It is scum like Senator Harry Reid and Senator Dianne Feinstein who conspire with corporations to introduce or vote for or against legislation to promote the agendas of corporations in exchange for shares in stock or financial support. Our government is flooded with corrupt and self-serving politicians who no longer represent the People who elected them. They serve only those who bid the highest price and won. Our economy is ruled by CEO banking industry bureaucrats in the Federal Reserve, who have brought our nation to ruin and conspirators like Dick Cheney and Halliburton have sent our sons and daughters to die in senseless wars based on lies to make a profit on defense technology and oil. Now these same tyrannical liars and deceivers have declared a state of war with the American populous. They spy on our communications without warrant. They promote propaganda and lies through the media, which is owed by the same scum who bought off the elections. They are trying to disarm us, standing on the graves of dead children and screaming weapons of war do not belong on our streets, while funding foreign terrorist groups to overthrow enemy governments. And then they subsidize thousands of used Iraq War MRAP tanks to local police departments and increase the power, authority and overreach of the Department of Homeland Security to protect the country from the new threat of "domestic terrorists". Drones over our own skies, police driving mine resistant tanks and everyday officers with combat rifles, yet we claim everything is okay. No, it's not the government that is breaking the law. It is not the government that is being excessive and surely is not being violent. It's the hardworking Americans like Cliven Bundy being made out to be terrorists and racists despite facts. Pay those fees citizen or we'll come and murder your family.

George Washington would have declared war over ten years ago if he was here today. George Orwell would be shitting himself. And Adolf Hitler would be busting in his pants if he had what the U.S. has today to control the population.

This is the future you all chose. And sadly, you all support and condone.

[kittyKaiti]

Get real Kitty and confront the real enemy... the religious right and their funders. And please don't parade your profound ignorance about the UK again. It diminishes your own case.

You shouldn't make ignorant statements about American gun owners either. "Armed nutcases". It makes you look just as bad... well, only to intelligent people.

The religious right and their funders are not the only problem. Do you really believe that the far left and their funders are any better than the radical religious groups? Most people seem to only view the world in red and blue. The liberals versus the conservatives. Democrats versus Republicans. One is better than the other, blah blah blah. You all forget that both sides are liars, cheats, corrupt and do not have any interest in actually fixing anything. They both scream at each other over the little things to distract the voters with BS like abortion, guns and gay rights, while they all agree to devastate the economy and cheat the American public.

[Turlington]

Cliven Bundy Accidentally Explained What’s Wrong With the Republican Party

On Saturday, Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher who has risen to prominence because of his dispute with the Bureau of Land Management, held forth about “the Negro,” and how black people may have been better off under slavery than in President Obama’s America.

When I read Adam Nagourney’s piece in The New York Times about the remarks, my first thought was: How did Mr. Bundy even get on this topic? It turns out, Mr. Bundy’s mind ran to the condition of black Americans because the activists who have flocked to his ranch to defend his right not to pay grazing fees are almost all white.

The Washington Post obtained video of his remarks and it quotes him: “Where is our colored brother? Where is our Mexican brother? Where is our Chinese? Where are they? They’re just as much American as we are, and they’re not with us. If they’re not with us, they’re going to be against us.”

Mr. Bundy, weirdly, is onto something here. The rush to stand with Mr. Bundy against the Bureau of Land Management is the latest incarnation of conservative antigovernment messaging. And nonwhites are not interested, because a gut-level aversion to the government is almost exclusively a white phenomenon.

A 2011 National Journal poll found that 42 percent of white respondents agreed with the statement, “Government is not the solution to our problems; government is the problem.” Just 17 percent of blacks, 16 percent of Asians and 25 percent of Hispanics agreed. In 2011 and 2012, the Pew Research Center found that 55 percent of Asian-Americans and fully 75 percent of Hispanic-Americans say they prefer a bigger government providing more services over a smaller one providing fewer services, compared with just 41 percent of the general population.

Conservatives often talk about Republican underperformance with minorities in economic terms: Minority voters with lower incomes tend to see themselves as benefiting from government programs. Or they blame the underperformance on loose-cannon Republican politicians who make offensive statements, as with Representative Don Young, of Alaska, talking about “wetbacks” or Representative Steve King, of Iowa, warning that the Dream Act would give citizenship to drug smugglers with “calves the sizes of cantaloupes.

Those problems are real, but Republicans’ biggest problem with minorities runs even deeper than economic disparities and racist gaffes. Asian-American voters broke nearly 3-to-1 against Mitt Romney in 2012, even though they have higher median family incomes and higher average educational attainment than whites. Economic prosperity alone will not make racial minorities eager for antigovernment language.

In 2012, when I attended the Republican National Convention, there was one phrase I heard over and over again: “You built it!” Republicans thought this was a clever rejoinder to President Obama’s comments that people should be thankful for the role that government plays in individual success. The comeback was not the blockbuster Republicans thought it would be, because America is not the overwhelmingly white country it once was.

Cliven Bundy gets that. Will Republicans?