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    Quote Originally Posted by loveboof View Post
    Well that compassion for body image thing is about dealing with a significant traumatic event. While I don't know what it feels like to have body dysmorphia or Gender Identity issues - they are as you said a chronic, long time condition and not the result of sudden trauma.
    You don't think having a brain identity that doesn't match your body is traumatic?

    The excuses people use to deny coverage for this boggle the mind... and they just keep coming at an increasingly nonsensical and desperate pace. They're just rationalizations for discrimination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BellaBellucci View Post
    You don't think having a brain identity that doesn't match your body is traumatic?

    The excuses people use to deny coverage for this boggle the mind... and they just keep coming at an increasingly nonsensical and desperate pace. They're just rationalizations for discrimination.

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    Probably just as well that you ignored the second half of my comment, because I didn't find this response particularly convincing....



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    The new health care program will set of a huge debate. People are not going to care for what reasons a person needs health care. I think dental care is very important, however it doesn't mean it will be covered. I know my analogy is simple, but as the bill begins to take shape you will find people will be very critical on what should be cover. Remember, not everyone wanted the bill passed. So people will still feel sour towards any provision of the bill general.



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    Btw, I'm sure it is traumatic - but there are different kinds of trauma (both physical & mental) and they don't all require the same treatment.

    I'm talking about the rationalisation of cosmetic surgery under government subsidised healthcare.

    I'm not sure this is even a trans rights issue :/



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    Quote Originally Posted by loveboof View Post
    Btw, I'm sure it is traumatic - but there are different kinds of trauma (both physical & mental) and they don't all require the same treatment.

    I'm talking about the rationalisation of cosmetic surgery under government subsidised healthcare.

    I'm not sure this is even a trans rights issue :/
    You're right. It's not. It's a human rights issue. Do I need to post suicide rates among transpeople? Highest of any segment... anywhere...

    Ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveboof View Post
    Well that compassion for body image thing is about dealing with a significant traumatic event. While I don't know what it feels like to have body dysmorphia or Gender Identity issues - they are as you said a chronic, long time condition and not the result of sudden trauma.

    This means the appropriate treatments should not automatically be the same.

    Maybe I'm wrong - this is just a gut feeling response. But in that case you should convince me rather than 'straw manning' my argument...
    Do you know how many Trans woman commit suicide (including one of our former board members)I would say it's very traumatic.



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    Quote Originally Posted by loveboof View Post
    Probably just as well that you ignored the second half of my comment, because I didn't find this response particularly convincing....
    I did? You're saying that my claim that transsexuality is traumatic is a straw man? You implied that it wasn't traumatic. I'm telling you, as someone who is experiencing it, that it is.

    What I find interesting is that you can relate to the one-breasted woman, but not to us because you're outright stated that her treatment should be covered. If transsexuals are telling you that transsexuals need SRS, it should be no different than the cancer survivor who also wants to be complete again. And in her case, she was complete once before, whereas we have never been.

    If health care is to graded on a bell curve of 'need,' I'd say they're equal. Sure, the GG wants to replace something she lost, but that bears no reflection on those of us who want what we feel cheated out of EVER having. How is one more morally pressing than the other? Chromosomes. The same lame justification for those that think that SRS is unnecessary because, well, we're still men afterwards.

    I'm looking at you, Kelly, you traitor.

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    I don't think it's politically feasible to think that SRS will be covered by large health insurers. They'll never cover surgeries considered elective/cosmetic. I think it's more realistic to hope they will make therapy services available so those who feel they can't cope



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    post-op transwomen are useless to cock bandits lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by flabbybody View Post
    I don't think it's politically feasible to think that SRS will be covered by large health insurers. They'll never cover surgeries considered elective/cosmetic. I think it's more realistic to hope they will make therapy services available so those who feel they can't cope
    A penis and a vagina (even a neo-vagina) each have a different function. I fail to see how that's strictly cosmetic. That said, if sexual health is covered for cis people, i.e. Viagra and birth control, then it should be covered for us as well.

    For such a homophobic culture as ours, I find it interesting that conservatives are so obsessed with ending 'gay sex,' yet won't put their money where their mouth is. Even Iran beats us out on this, although, to be fair, it's because they hate gay people even more than Americans do.

    Transsexuality in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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