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    Quote Originally Posted by nysprod View Post
    Your whole argument boils down to "since there isn't a consensus on the difference between TV and TS and you can't tell the difference from pics, I can have TV's on my TS site."
    No, that is not my point at all.

    And if that is what you think, then you are missing the entire point. I have, (rightfully so) been said to be condescending. I will state emphatically that I am not trying to be so here but I must take this point-by-point.

    You said (bold mine):
    A TV is a man with a fetish for dressing in women's clothes. A real TS is not. A real TS identifies herself as a woman and is perceived as such. Distinctive argument made.
    In stating this, which I [somewhat] agree with, you have defined your terms. That is great, and what should be done if anyone wants to have a serious discussion about the topic. Other people are not so forthright with their definitions.

    You then say:
    First a TV has no TS status.
    And then go on to present an analogy (addressed later). So, the question, based upon your definitions and your subsequent statement is HOW do YOU (the consumer) make that distinction then at a TS site? The answer MUST BE "by looks". There is no other answer, unless you know each and every model personally and individually. You later, basically admit this is the case.

    Your Analogy:
    This doesn't hold up as pertinent here because you are injecting forgone knowledge / assumptions into the equation. In other words, you are stating that people WOULD KNOW that you have people dressed as pro football players, who are, in fact, not. You are also assuming there is malicious intent since the owner of the site (in this case yourself) would KNOW he is selling a false product. In other words, have interjected a "right / wrong" "moral / immoral" argument into this, which I am not arguing (but will address).

    My Point Is This:
    If you are making determinations that TVs do not belong on TS sites, that is fine as a statement of opinion. However, when you start stating examples to support your argument (not sure if you have done so or not... this was originally directed at another poster), then you MUST admit that you are judging TS status based upon LOOKS.

    If that is how you judge TS status, you lose credibility to speak on the topic at all because your criteria is SO LOW (beauty) it just can't be taken seriously.

    My points preclude your points because you would never know you were being "fooled" if you, in fact, were not making an APPEARANCE BASED judgement or (apparently this has been done?) were not told by the site owner that this was in fact the case.

    The Right / Wrong:
    I am not making a right / wrong / moral argument about the site owner's representation. I understand that argument. I don't agree with it. Here is why... It comes down to malicious intent, and again, definitions.

    First, in order to make a right / wrong / moral argument, you MUST state that there is malicious intent on behalf of the site owner to "fool" subscribers. In all honesty, I don't believe that is the case here (originally aimed at Grooby). If that were the case, and provable, you would have a point. It isn't the case, is not provable, and thus the right / wrong argument is invalid.

    In addition, a site owner may have their own definition of TV and TS, which may or may not agree with your own. Based upon THEIR definitions, they choose who they will allow to model on the site.

    The CONSUMER is using HIS/HER own set of definitions to define the two terms, and because of that will come to a different conclusion as to WHO is TV and who is TS in their minds.

    Your postulation that ALL people agree that a TV is a man with a fetish for women's clothing and that a TS perceives herself as a woman AND is identified as such... is just not as clear cut as you think. The very fact that you include "is identified as such" in your definition would leave A VERY large portion of the TS community OUTSIDE of your definition. NOT ALL TS women "pass".

    Where am I wrong?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavros View Post
    Ok so in other words, only two would merit Belong and those are the two at the end of Row 1.
    The reason is simple enough, they probably look good with their clothes off, and both also look like they can get hard. This reveals that my preference is for fully functional ts rather than tv's.

    Porn is not directly related to democracy or equality as far as I can tell, everyone is not welcome, just as you would not want me in any of your films or photo-shoots, and that is not false modesty. Or maybe it also reveals how old-fashioned I am as I would not be interested in seeing the cast of Tod Browning's film Freaks in an orgy, allowing licence for the title of the film. Even tattoos are a turn off. This also suggests that there may be posters who would like to see Jan Morris or April Ashley in a porn shoot, on the other hand I am aware that there is a large audience for tv's on this board. Perhaps your survey is doomed for these reasons.
    The survey is faulty for a great deal more reasons than that, but is meant only as a chance to those who have spoken big about being able to tell the difference between who and who is not TS by a picture, to show just how smart they are.

    I'm not interested in collecting responses, there are only a few people that I really wanted to actually take it. Thus far all three have not, as I expected.

    Thanks for your answers though. I will tell you this... you did very poorly


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    Anybody who wants to play this game should be at the HungDevils link below.

    It's about a competition supposedly for gay guys (who like to wear dresses).

    The trouble is, although not permitted to enter, transsexuals seem to win it as often as the gay guys do.

    Miss Brasil Gay at http://www.hungdevils.com/index.php?...ss-brasil-gay/



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    Quote Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy View Post
    The survey is faulty for a great deal more reasons than that, but is meant only as a chance to those who have spoken big about being able to tell the difference between who and who is not TS by a picture, to show just how smart they are.

    I'm not interested in collecting responses, there are only a few people that I really wanted to actually take it. Thus far all three have not, as I expected.

    Thanks for your answers though. I will tell you this... you did very poorly
    I don't understand -you want people to identify the pictures of people they think belong in porn, not which one is tv, ts etc. The incoherence of the task means that 'doing poorly' has no meaning -unless you think that by not assuming Jan Morris 'belongs' in porn I am revealing an acceptale/unacceptable prejudice. Anyway as far as I am concerned, when it comes to porn, I am prejudiced. But if it was about real life, I would judge people as I find them, not on the basis of their appearance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavros View Post
    I don't understand -you want people to identify the pictures of people they think belong in porn, not which one is tv, ts etc. The incoherence of the task means that 'doing poorly' has no meaning -unless you think that by not assuming Jan Morris 'belongs' in porn I am revealing an acceptale/unacceptable prejudice. Anyway as far as I am concerned, when it comes to porn, I am prejudiced. But if it was about real life, I would judge people as I find them, not on the basis of their appearance.
    Sorry... I thought I stated it clearly but obviously have not. In gearing it towards a few, select people, I probably screwed up the language. Here is a MUCH easier way to present it:

    It has been stated numerous times now by a few that they can determine by looks if a person is TS or TV. So, look at these pictures and make your votes. There are only TWO valid responses to this: YES and NO.

    The persons pictured are a mixture of TS (once names are revealed, not-debatable, at least to me), TV (also non-debatable or self titled), men, women, and other.

    Your answers can be as follows:

    YES (TS)

    NO (NOT TS - which would include all those you think are genetic men, genetic women, TV, and other)


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    Even then it's hard Krissy - for instance the person who has been successful in Japan would be No now but I suspect may end up being Yes in the future as possibly would one of the male models who do womens wear who from what I've seen probably is a Yes really and will transition post their current career.

    I didn't play because I'm not overly hung up on the label thing. People are what they are and I'm never stressed about labeling them. All the TS's are women as far as I'm concerned because thats the way they would prefer to be treated - you cant get that from photos of course. I wouldn't feel comfortable labeling people I didn't know just on one small photo.



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    Quote Originally Posted by alpha2117 View Post
    Even then it's hard Krissy - for instance the person who has been successful in Japan would be No now but I suspect may end up being Yes in the future as possibly would one of the male models who do womens wear who from what I've seen probably is a Yes really and will transition post their current career.

    I didn't play because I'm not overly hung up on the label thing. People are what they are and I'm never stressed about labeling them. All the TS's are women as far as I'm concerned because thats the way they would prefer to be treated - you cant get that from photos of course. I wouldn't feel comfortable labeling people I didn't know just on one small photo.
    I totally agree... it is difficult. Which is kind of my point.

    Anyway, this is pretty much dead as obviously the people it was intended for aren't going to put themselves out there and shown as not quite the experts they think they are.

    And just for the record, this isn't any sort of trap or setup. I'm not going to be holding anyone who votes accountable in the future, saying "Oh, remember that thread where you made decisions based on looks?" Obviously, that's what I'm asking people to do here. This isn't for the purposes of that sort of discussion. It is partly just out of interest, partly geared towards a few, and partly to illustrate the point that the TS community is VERY diverse when it comes to looks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy View Post
    No, that is not my point at all.

    So, the question, based upon your definitions and your subsequent statement is HOW do YOU (the consumer) make that distinction then at a TS site? The answer MUST BE "by looks". There is no other answer, unless you know each and every model personally and individually. You later, basically admit this is the case.

    That is EXACTLY my point...sometimes, I cannot make the distinction...but if the owner of the website tells me that there sometimes are TV's on the site, I as a consumer am NOT going to be happy with that

    Your Analogy:
    This doesn't hold up as pertinent here because you are injecting forgone knowledge / assumptions into the equation. In other words, you are stating that people WOULD KNOW that you have people dressed as pro football players, who are, in fact, not.


    NO. The point I'm making with my analogy is that I COULD put people dressed as football players and SAY they're pros which would be the wrong thing to do, just like putting a TV on TS website and presenting them as TS is


    My Point Is This:
    If you are making determinations that TVs do not belong on TS sites, that is fine as a statement of opinion. However, when you start stating examples to support your argument (not sure if you have done so or not... this was originally directed at another poster), then you MUST admit that you are judging TS status based upon LOOKS.

    I'm not making any assumptions on who is TV...the owner of the site is telling me there are TV's on a TS site, and I don't think that's right

    If that is how you judge TS status, you lose credibility to speak on the topic at all because your criteria is SO LOW (beauty) it just can't be taken seriously.

    My points preclude your points because you would never know you were being "fooled" if you, in fact, were not making an APPEARANCE BASED judgement or (apparently this has been done?) were not told by the site owner that this was in fact the case.

    Right, I didn't know I was being fooled until I was told

    The Right / Wrong:
    I am not making a right / wrong / moral argument about the site owner's representation. I understand that argument. I don't agree with it. Here is why... It comes down to malicious intent, and again, definitions.

    First, in order to make a right / wrong / moral argument, you MUST state that there is malicious intent on behalf of the site owner to "fool" subscribers. In all honesty, I don't believe that is the case here (originally aimed at Grooby). If that were the case, and provable, you would have a point. It isn't the case, is not provable, and thus the right / wrong argument is invalid.

    I have no idea what the intent was, malicious or not

    In addition, a site owner may have their own definition of TV and TS, which may or may not agree with your own. Based upon THEIR definitions, they choose who they will allow to model on the site.

    The owner must have some definition of what makes a TV different than a TS, otherwise there wouldn't be a "TV" label

    The CONSUMER is using HIS/HER own set of definitions to define the two terms, and because of that will come to a different conclusion as to WHO is TV and who is TS in their minds.

    Your postulation that ALL people agree that a TV is a man with a fetish for women's clothing and that a TS perceives herself as a woman AND is identified as such... is just not as clear cut as you think. The very fact that you include "is identified as such" in your definition would leave A VERY large portion of the TS community OUTSIDE of your definition. NOT ALL TS women "pass".

    Where am I wrong?
    Here's where you're wrong: We expect Grooby sites to have TS women. This is the first I've heard that they sometimes have TV's. If they've never said this before, and they haven't to my knowledge, I don't think it's right.

    And "passing" has nothing to do with it. I'm not looking for a TS woman to "pass" as a GG and I don't think most guys like me are either...you want proof? Go look at the popularity of the "Bulges and Filled Underwear" thread. Or how about this...do you see one thread on here entitled "Passable Girls"?

    And BTW, there's another thread on here that's very popular,,,the "Sissy/TV/CD" thread...so I have nothing against TV's CD's etc. and I have nothing against having them on your site or anyone's site. Axtually, if I were running a site, judging by the popularity of that thread I definitely would have this content on my site. BUT, I would definitely label them as such.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nysprod View Post
    Here's where you're wrong: We expect Grooby sites to have TS women. This is the first I've heard that they sometimes have TV's. If they've never said this before, and they haven't to my knowledge, I don't think it's right.

    And "passing" has nothing to do with it. I'm not looking for a TS woman to "pass" as a GG and I don't think most guys like me are either...you want proof? Go look at the popularity of the "Bulges and Filled Underwear" thread. Or how about this...do you see one thread on here entitled "Passable Girls"?

    And BTW, there's another thread on here that's very popular,,,the "Sissy/TV/CD" thread...so I have nothing against TV's CD's etc. and I have nothing against having them on your site or anyone's site. Just label them as such.
    Fair enough. I wasn't addressing popularity (vs) at all though.

    Concisely spoken and although I don't agree entirely, I'm tired having gone through this before and I don't feel like rehashing the whole thing today and here.

    So, if it is OK with you, I will take your points and concede them in this thread without an admission of total agreement.

    Thanks for keeping things civil. I understand your points and would be happy to pick this up at a later date.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy View Post
    Fair enough. I wasn't addressing popularity (vs) at all though.

    Concisely spoken and although I don't agree entirely, I'm tired having gone through this before and I don't feel like rehashing the whole thing today and here.

    So, if it is OK with you, I will take your points and concede them in this thread without an admission of total agreement.

    Thanks for keeping things civil. I understand your points and would be happy to pick this up at a later date.
    Likewise, Krissy. I think the one universal thing is that people don't want to be fooled, even when it's said upfront. As an example, you won't find (at least on the first few pages) a futanari thread...or a thread where dicks have been 'shopped onto GG's.

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