Six million Jews

[trish]

...i will not/can not, engage in any sort of insult-fest, it's just not my type of activity. I just don't respond to that type of....bad attitude.
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I am not here to fight or argue or even debate if it's heated.
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If i don't like things that others have written, i will not respond negatively.
I will never feel as though i have the right to insult you or your beliefs.
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Babe, beliefs are exactly what we hold up for criticism. You're lucky. You have a few people here who are still actually willing to waste x minutes to view a video that you posted and are willing to discuss it and it's larger context. If you don't like your deeply held beliefs regarding the apparent appearance of Hebraic numerology in old newspapers to be criticized and possibly mocked, then why put it out there? That's what discussion looks like. Here's what discussion doesn't look like:

Hey freddy,

You don't mind if i call you freedy, eh?
It's just that, once, i owned a little grey mouse, to whom i gave the name, "Freddy the Freeloader", and you really remind me of him so much.
Only thing is, is that he did cute things, unlike you in this thread and most responses you make to my posts.
He looked, kind of, like this mouse...

...which is why he reminds me of you.

So pathetic i think your are to try to say that i am a Holocaust denier when i said nothing of the sort.
And rude, too.
This is my first unpleasant post to a forum member in a very long time, you schmuck!

Babe,
Smudge! Smudge!

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[trish]

I'm getting mixes signals, but it seems WesJohnson has something to say. Go ahead Wes.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Babe, beliefs are exactly what we hold up for criticism. You're lucky. You have a few people here who are still actually willing to waste x minutes to view a video that you posted and are willing to discuss it and it's larger context. If you don't like your deeply held beliefs regarding the apparent appearance of Hebraic numerology in old newspapers to be criticized and possibly mocked, then why put it out there? That's what discussion looks like. Here's what discussion doesn't look like:

Hi trish,

Thank you for quoting that part of my introduction thread.
I really WAS expecting for that part to be quoted by some one and posted in this thread, here, to try to make me look like a phony or a liar.

However, when i am called an anti-Semite, i don't stay quiet.

When i am accused of hate speech, i tend to speak up to clarify who and what i am.

As far as i am concerned, my response to freddie was srill a respectful post for the most part. It is possible to tell someone off and still be within the realm of good manners.
I don't think i went overboard, whatsoever.
No matter how angry or insulted, i am, i like to l think i am at leas, polite to a certain degree.

Being called that nasty word, anti-Semite, is enough to seriously cause trouble for someone who is really innocent and undeserving of the accusation.
He was acting like a schmuck by saying that.

He does remind me of my pet mouse from my youth, Freddie the Freeloader.
There are much worse things i could have screamed at him.
Anyway, i am always concerned with how people view me, which is something many people don't seem to care too much about in forums like these when they drop Eff bombs on people and calling them nasty names, like ...oh, here's one...anti-Semite. Even hitting at it is VILE.

I've been told to eff off by a mod; i've been called names like Airhead; had to read how someone wants to garb me by my neck through the screen and shake it until i stop kicking (AND, i will add that the person referred to me as an "it"); i've been called a troll and i have said not a single word on the board.
But when some obvious dim wit troll accuses me of anti-Semitism or of being a Holocaust denier just because he doesn't like what newspapers from a century ago say, i speak up, yea.

As far as the 666 thing goes, it was just something i noticed off the cuff.
You know...i do try to learn about all this Zionism-talk and the State of Israel stuff as i am interested in all that conspiracy theory stuff, as i have already stated in a previous thread of mine.

However, i did not, at all, respond to freddie's 666 response.
If he thinks someone pointed THAT out, and that is how i saw it, then, fine, that's his opinion and he is entitled to his opinions - so long as people do not cross the line into realm of criminal behavior by calling someone a Holocaust denier or pedophile or whatever.
I had only responded to his trolling behavior when he wrote what he commented on how i could ignore all the evidence of millions murdered, and yet, believe in an alien. When i never once said any of that.
So, i hope you see my issue with freddie's behaviour.

Even bronco has a response coming soon for tagging along with Freddie's bad behavior.

I never want to argue, and i am sure no one believes that because people like to argue, and many seem to have nothing better to do. And many people come to forums JUST for the fights. And i see who stars them guys like freedie and bronco because they can;t handle historical truths.

Bronco has been against me for a while, ever since the thread about "Why do white porn stars have the right to use the 'N' word", when i discovered and posted that it was the Spanish Jews who started the Atlantic slave trade which, to this day, causes all black people to despise and accuse all whites for doing. Freddie and bronco wee right there with the snide remarks and insults which got the thread locked.
And now, bronco is here doing the darn thing, trying to use his "special appearance' to get this thread locked up, too. with his wordiness.

I can see clearly now, and i can see all obstacle in my way...(wait a sec, that sounds familiar).


Babe,
xoxo

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Good morning bronco, (well it was morning when i began writing this)

Look sir, i think you are trying to shut the thread down with comments like that. You seem to think you can read my mind and freddie's mind. BUT you CAN'T.
So, please, stop acting like the Amazing Kreskin, i think you are only embarrassing yourself by doing that.
I think you also like to defend other peoples' rude comments. What gives? How many IDs do you possess in here!

I think you, like freddie, enjoy constantly put words in my mouth to make me appear to others as only you see me.
I say something is blue and you'll call me a liar saying i really meant to say black, by using a whole lot of clever mumbo jumbo to try to back your accusations against me.

I asked people to discuss the newspaper articles in the video so that i might understand what is going on, and i think ALL you can primarily focus on is whether or not i am antisemitic when i have clearly stated I AM NOT so many times. But yet, i think you're unrelenting in your pursuit to convince.
I think your responses are sometimes a mixture of good and bad comments all designed to confuse the readers regarding situations like this - and i think your words focus on the bad more than the good in situations like this.
It's a clever way to manipulate a topic. I think you must have been a been a prosecution lawyer in your youth.

Responsible for my actions? Huh?
I've only posted a video which shows 10 newspapers which mention the figure of 6 million Jewish souls being persecuted BEFORE Hitler even came in to power.

Then i posted an article explaining the meaning of antisemitism so i COULD NOT be accused of antisemitic behavior.
And in view of all of that, you now take part in freddie's stupid, unfounded assumption that i am a Holocaust denier - i think that makes you a schumck, also, in my opinion.

And then you say that i'm dreaming up this idea that you want this thread down shut down? My gosh, i think you are very clever...in a sneaky way.

I was hoping i could watch and learn how people would discuss the newspaper articles, so that I COULD understand what it all means; why these articles were printed before Hitler came to power; why the 6 million figure has been used over and over, even in 2015.
And now, i find myself defending myself against antisemitism accusations.
Talk about twisting words around, i am not the one doing that - friend.

Why not let others have a chance to offer any opinions on the matter?
Why does any topic mentioning "Jewish" have to be dominated by you and freddie, almost as if you are afraid people might get a different view on things in a forum where all people are supposed to be able to discuss freely without FALSE accusations dreamed up by you and your tag-team partner, freddie.
I think one of you two baits, and the other one attacks.
I think you two are so tiresome, ugh!

You have stated some of your predictable comments about the newspapers which were written so many years ago when no one knew, back then, that some Irish (sounding) guy, who you refer to as a half-wit, would dig them up in the future and notice something really odd.

You seem to accept the modern day redefined definition of anti-Semite even when a Semite is and never was just any ole Jew from any tribe - only Semites from the Shem bloodline are Semites.
Mere men can change the words of God, now?...(Webster's Dictionary etc etc.)

HERE YE! HERE YE!
THROW AWAY YOUR BIBLES, EVERYONE, BECAUSE HE HAVE WEBSTER'S NEWLY UPDATED DICTIONARY NOW. Pffft!.
Times really have changed.

I've mentioned in a thread that i strongly think YOU had locked, that no matter what happens on the Earth, God will judge each of us accordingly when the Day comes.
He'll have no trouble spotting the fakes.

I think you get anti-Semite and anti-Jew confused because you ignore the teachings of YOUR OWN religion. Unless the Talmud is what you've been reading.

Anyway, great! Thank for your input in this thread.
However, i think you seem to have nothing more intelligent to say on the topic of the newspaper articles.
But now, instead of moving on to other threads of interest, after you've made your comments about the words in the newspapers, i think that you believe that you have the right to start coming at me and laying the idea of me being antisemitic, at my feet, just because i posted a video, and you're accusing me of hiding an ace up my sleeve, and then you have the gall to try to say to the board, for all to see, that you don't want this thread closed.
Man what a character i think you are, actually, i think you can be more like a caricature, at times.

I think you and freddie have stated your views, now please move on and let others have a chance to express their views, also, without the fear of being called antisemitic.

Maybe in your world, people say one thing and mean another with the sole intention to hurt others; steal from others; discredit others; rape others; shame others OR to try to convince the readers that a pure at heart person, like me, is really antisemitic or even intrinsically evil or stupid, just because YOU twist my meanings around.
In my world, however, i only say what i mean.
There are no aces up my sleeves nor do i have a hidden agenda to hurt ANYONE.

You, "cowboy" along with your "sidekick" the brooding mouse, i think are obviously OBSESSED with this thread, because i think it gives you ample opportunity to attempt to shut down, yet, another interesting thread of which you obviously disapprove, so you can probably "scratch" another useless "notch" in your keyboard and attribute it to what you probably refer to as your "intelligence" but what i will only refer to as your obvious skill and ability to twist others' words and intentions around in order to manipulate a conversation or a topic.

Move on, please!
I think YOU have made your point, and have stated your views.

Now i really HOPE this thread can back ON TOPIC, please.
I want to learn something new today, and not be called "something" vile, again.

In closing, i doubt the Irish (sounding) guy speaking in the video is such the half wit as you claim he is, as he has actually presented an interesting slice of history that NOBODY in here even knew existed. Who is the dim wit, again?...those who deny the words in a newspaper written before their time...those who follow the ancient teachings of Websters' dictionary?

Have a great day, you Alter keker, as you lust over all the goyisher tuches and schmekels.

I don't want to argue. So STOP trying to what i think is baiting me into an argument in which i am forced, to step out of my usual character, against my will, in order to defend myself against your VILE claims.
And stop explaining what OTHER people mean in their posts...WHO do YOU think you are, anyway, by doing that!

Go shovel some snow and let others have and enjoy a conversation for a change.
This thread was not addressed to YOU.
You are welcomed to comment with respectful comments that address the TOPIC, but not welcomed to call me anti-Semitic, or anti-Jew or anti- ANYBODY. So take your schtick elsewhere. I think everybody can agree that you've made your racist point. I think you are actually an anti-Gentile, it sure seems that way.
The Babylonian Talmud describes the Gentile race as less than unworthy dogs. If that is how you feel, your membership should raise some eyebrows.
Don't go away angry, just go away. Unless, of course, you wish to discuss with others the meaning of the newspapers articles if THAT is, at all, possible without you getting all frantic in your false belief that i am being anti-Semitic or a Haolocaust denier

I am eager to read your views on the matter so long as you do not discriminate against people.

I have not shown one iota of discrimination.

And i don't believe for one SECOND that you and freddie did not report this thread already. You are so two-faced on this board.
Gey avek!

Have a nice day, now.
xoxoxo

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[trish]

You don’t think millions of Jews were persecuted in Europe before Hitler came to power? Why do you think it’s amazing that ten newspaper articles from 1915 to 1938 refer to the persecution of millions of Jews. Jews were being driven in large numbers from the borders of various countries (especially Germany and eastern Europe) by political pressures, pogroms and later the threat of concentration camps. National Socialism appears as early as 1870 and was going strong by 1914. Have you made a count of how many other newspaper articles have reported on the millions of Jews that were being persecuted? Why are just these ten of interest? Is it the mention of “six million”? Why do you think it’s significant that ten newspaper articles from 1915 to 1938 mention the number “six million” in regards to the Jewish persecution that was ongoing throughout the period? Why is this of interest and not say, the reasons for the persecution, or the political context of the persecution, or the religious justifications for the persecution, or the immigration pressures felt because of the influx of fleeing Jews? There are dozens of interesting questions, and topics to discuss, why the focus on ten newspaper articles and the number six million.

I’m afraid it’s obvious what the YouTube narrator has in mind. What you “strongly think” is less clear. You love conspiracy theory (by your own admission) and I’m guessing the “six million” piques that side of your interest. But surely you’re aware of the sensitivity of this topic, otherwise you wouldn’t have offered the weird and inapplicable definition of antisemitism in a flawed effort to deflect that specific criticism.

Intelligent discussion of even a noncontroversial topic requires argument. If you think my proof of an algebraic identity is wrong, I’d want you to either show me where the proof goes wrong, or to show me an example where the alleged identity fails: the former is criticism and the latter analogous to mockery. Saying, “That’s nice, you can believe what you want, but this is what I believe,” neither shows us the flaw in the alleged proof nor illustrates the incredulity of the conclusion.

To summarize.
My first point is: Surely we know millions of Jews have been persecuted in various ways even before Hitler took power and their persecution (many of the same millions) accelerated after he took power. It is not surprising that ten English language newspaper articles (appearing between 1915 and 1938 ) would be devoted to that topic. There are (I would guess) tens of thousands of writings on the topic in many languages appearing during that time-span.
My second point: From the claim that ten references to "six million" out of the tens of thousands of articles, speeches, lectures, pamphlets and books (concerning the modern plight of the Jewish people in Europe) that have appeared in the period from 1915 to 1938 very little of significance can be deduced. I am accusing the narrator of the YouTube Video of the time honored tradition of Cherry Picking his articles.
My third point is: Numbers of this magnitude in that time period were very difficult to get right. It is not surprising that one journalist would use the numbers reported by another. It may not be good journalism but it's not conspiracy.
My question to you is: Even if there were twenty articles or two hundred, or a thousand...what do you think it proves? What to you expect to learn? Is there something you already believe that you want debunked or confirmed?

[fred41]

Hey freddy,...and subsequent posts..

Oh Brother...

Interestingly, in-so-far as this particular thread is concerned, I never directly called you anti-Semitic (I believe you are referring to a different thread in the General Discussion section...where I did, either directly or not)...nor did I call you a "holocaust denier"...though admittedly, I clearly alluded to that in my post...though it was, in fact, unnecessary on my part...since some of your very own posts make that allusion.

I have nothing further to add to this thread, so this may be my last comment here anyway...

Couple of notes:
This is not the type of thing I would, or have in the past, sent a report on...especially in the 'Politics and Religion' thread. That would probably defeat the purpose to having a 'Politics and religion' thread. So I'm not doing that.

The username 'Fred41' was used by me on a smaller, somewhat similar, now defunct site and carried over to HungAngels. As some other members here know - multiple usernames, aliases, sock puppets and such are a personal pet peeve of mine. I would never resort to such insecure laziness.

I guess whether or not you really are anti-Semitic would depend on the reason you seem to believe in this particular conspiracy stream...

It would help for you to read Trish's last post...and give a complete answer to her last question:

My question to you is: Even if there were twenty articles or two hundred, or a thousand...what do you think it proves? What to you expect to learn? Is there something you already believe that you want debunked or confirmed?

Kisses..lol.

[Stavros]

Originally Posted by Dahlia Babe Ailhad
I've only posted a video which shows 10 newspapers which mention the figure of 6 million Jewish souls being persecuted BEFORE Hitler even came in to power.

On Holocaust memorial day -a day to remember all victims of genocide-, 70 years after the liberation of Auschwitz your thread must be one of the most tasteless that has appeared on HungAngels since it started. It is disingenuous of you to pretend you don't know what the idiot (his accent puts him in the north-east around Newcastle) had in mind when he posted his clip.

You would have done better to ask how many Jews there were in Europe when Adolf Hitler blew his brains out on the 30th April 1945. I will give you a hint- it wasn't 6 million.

Some years ago I lived in North London round the corner from the aunt of the poet Paul Celan, a fact I did not discover until after I had moved away, when reading the background to his poem Mapesbury Road. Celan's father and mother were arrested in 1942 and taken from Romania to a camp in Moldova where the father died of typhus and his mother was shot in the neck. Celan himself was forced to work in a labour camp in Moldova, surviving that to end up after the war in Paris, where he published his poems, including the devastating Death Fugue. The poem below is a particular favourite of mine, rising through the swell of wandering words to eclipse the shame this thread otherwise provokes.

I am the first to drink of the blue that still looks for its eye.
I drink from your footprint and see:
you roll through my fingers, pearl, and you grow!
You grow, as do all of the forgotten.
You roll:the black hailstone of sadness
is caught by a kerchief turned white with waving goodbye.

http://www.poemhunter.com/paul-celan/

[broncofan]

Dahlia
1. If you are not a Holocaust denier or an anti-semite then you are someone who thinks at least part of the Holocaust was fabricated and that Jews conspired to do it. I happen to think you're a Holocaust-denier and an anti-semite and don't see why I shouldn't say it.
2. I tried to explain to you the fact that many english words are actually misnomers that become part of the vernacular through common usage; A German man named Wilhelm Mar coined the word anti-semite to describe himself. He wanted a word that denoted both religious and ethnic bases for his bigotry. Even if we disagree over the term used to describe hatred of Jewish people, we can at least agree that's what we are talking about.
3. I did address the newspaper articles. I said specifically that it's not logical to think they signify what the dim-witted fellow implied they do. I also addressed the numerology; ie. the part of your post where you note that a certain day in history adds up to the mark of satan. What does the mark of satan have to do with the title of this thread? Are Jewish people satanic?
4. This is the only username I post under.
5. I did not report any of your posts in this thread.
6. I did not ask for the thread on the main forum to be locked although I did report two of your posts in it (if memory serves I think it is the only time I reported anything anti-semitic and it was in large part based on the fact that it was a thread derail).
7. I am not old as you said in Yiddish; I am in my early thirties (closing in on middle thirties).
8. Nobody tried to manipulate what you said, they only characterized it accurately.
9. By posting in this thread I am not preventing anyone else from expressing a view; I don't see how more views would assist you as it seems most of the people in this thread generally agree with me and disagree with you.
10. This is my last post in this thread*. Given the thoughtful responses to this thread, it is not really embarrassing as Dahlia appears to be a quorum of one.**
*for the day
**plus the person who likes a couple of her posts.

[Odelay]

Dahlia
10. This is my last post in this thread*. Given the thoughtful responses to this thread, it is not really embarrassing as Dahlia appears to be a quorum of one.

This is exactly right. Dahlia, if you're still monitoring this thread, I have to agree with broncofan that you've been given many thoughtful responses here. And if you were a long time participant, you'd know that it isn't every day that broncofan and I agree. In fact, I'd say there's some pretty diverse opinions amongst me, bronco, trish, fred and stavros. Although I do confess that my snarky response was much less thoughtful than the others.

In the end, you succeeded. You posted the video and commanded us all to "Discuss!" And we did, indeed, discuss. If you wanted some opinions about the video, you couldn't have asked for much more than what you received.

p.s. I didn't report you either. I never report anyone on this board.

[Dahlia Babe Ailhad]

Hi Odelay and those others in this thread so far,

Odelay, thank you very much. I really did need to see this comment of yours to realize that bronco and trish ended up taking the time to try to help me understand by discussing it.

I will admit, though that i became pretty offended by the first few comments when trish, bronco and fred were not discussing it "really" at first, and instead, were being, in my opinion, kind of, sarcastic with their comments an rolling their eyes etc, as if to say "Here we go again!"
Especially, fred, there, who rarely offers me any of his wisdom but prefers to use nasty clichés meant to belittle me, instead.
Sorry fred, but only you make your bed, in my eyes.
Especially when fred asks me to repeat, again, after i've quoted and commented on his remark.

I saw a bash-fest coming my way and so i decided to post the antisemitism link, which is a definition of the word i truly believe in, as the Unknown Author uses Biblical facts to define it. And that makes more sense to me than any man-made, updated versions of dictionaries or books.

Why do Holy books need to be rewritten anyway? What's the evil intention in any of that practice?
I don't care what Webster's or what encyclopedias have say about Biblical facts, as the Bible says it all.
No rabbinical oral teachings can rewrite the words of God as rabbis are mere men - smart educated men, but still, only men.
Man can not and should not try to redefine the words and teachings of the Bible and pass it off as the words of God.
I don't even believe Catholic priests when they talk, as i don't trust any man of the cloth, and i do not trust religion, in general, as it was created by man to control the masses with fear of damnation. Only man does that and only man wrote the Books in their own words.

Even when i was a young child or 6 and 7, i would kick and scream when my family brought us to church on Sundays. I always had a deep rooted fear that priests wanted to literally eat me.
You should see one of my First Communion photos. I was so terrified to look at the camera, my eyes were going from side-to-side in my eye sockets to make sure that the priest wouldn't snatch me away and eat me up. That's the truth. I was all set to run, screaming.
There is one photo of me with my eyes deep in the corners of my eye sockets as i knelt there, wearing my little black suit and tie, with my hands in the prayer position. I was terrified.
I still don't like going into any so called "House of God". The smell, i don't like, the idols i don't like, and the words i don't like. All the standing and kneeling i don't like. And i don't like when pedophile men of any cloth are permitted to continue as a religious leader.

Now, as an adult, i've learned about the evils of the man-made holy buildings called churches, synagogues or mosques. All religions are evil and up to no good, to me. They are all based on the decisions of men as to what God says or wants, especially how books are translated from one language to another and meanings get changed.
How ancient scrolls are found and REJECTED because they would simply destroy the accepted dogma that has prevailed for thousands of years. It's all wrong. Someone is getting rich from it all, when God and his many Prophets never wanted riches.
I hate how the Vatican prays to a painting of a negro Mother Mary and Jesus but presents to the world the Hollywood rock-star-looking blue-eyed Jesus having blond hair highlights,
Jesus was was not white skinned. Yet the Vatican supports even that lie.

I hate how millions of people have been murdered because of religious judgments and persecutions because of words written by mere men with greedy hearts harboring evil ambitions.
So, trish, i believe that all religions were based on evil. Humans, themselves, were created in the image of the Elohim, how can they become so evil - only when a religious dogma gets introduced which causes tempers to flare because one is thinking it's better that the other.
We all can see that happening all around this ball of confusion called planet Earth.
Am i an atheist? No.
Do i believe in a single God, who created all humans in HIS image? No.

I believe in doing good and not hurting others because that is what we are supposed to be like. We were put here to become better - not worse. Religion makes us worse to each other but good to our brethren of the same faith.
Muslims hate Jews, Jews hate Muslims, Gentiles hate Jews, Jews hate Gentiles etc etc, when we are all supposed to be loving one another as children of a race of Gods. I HATE all of the hatred on this dogmatic planet created by each religion.

And i truly, believe that the number of the beast, 666, is related to all of the three major religions, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism as they all stem from the same part of the world almost from the same neighborhood

Satan will be there on the Judgement Day to remind us of all the evil doings that he successfully tricked us into doing, while on Earth, not the Gods.
That is my belief.
All rivers reach the sea, and all rivers have different names, but all rivers contain waters which flow.
We are all the water, and it's such a shame that the waters can be polluted to poison and kill each other over man written words.

So anyway, back to the responses to this thread's topic of "6 Million Jews".
Instead of the responses i had initially received. I was hoping for the opposite reaction.
Although maybe i should have expected some initial sarcasm when bringing up a topic which trish pointed out is a very sensitive one to bring up, especially after me discussing conspiracy theories in another thread.
Not to mention the extremely bad timing of my first post in this thread.
I will be honest and say i really had no idea that the day after posting this thread was the Memorial Day of Auschwitz's termination.
Had i been aware of that, i would never have posted this thread when i did. I, sincerely apologize for the bad timing.
I am not a bad person.

Once the antisemitism ball started rolling my way, i became defensive and rather angry because that was not my objective in posting this thread.

I have great difficulty understanding many of trish's posts because she is highly educated and use a complex language that i have difficulty understanding - kind of like classic poetry which you really have to stop and think about in order to understand it.
I use basic words and simple sentence structures with which to express my views.
Trish writes like a university professor when she writes, and she writes as if every one is at her level - i am not at her level.
Even bronco is quite well versed, but i doubt he is only in his 30s, as he seems to be in his mid 50s by how he writes, and that is not meant as an insult.

My formal education is nothing to brag about, at all.
I was legally allowed to leave school at 12.5 years old.
I only went back to school in my early 20s and attended an Adult Education course to get my high school diploma so that i could join the army. I never did join.
I was never able to complete Adult Education until about ten years later because my life has always filled with termoil. I ended up living in Europe in high society for a while. I can't get into that because it's far too personal and revealing.

I've been in and out of adult education schools trying to finish what i should have finished in my early youth.
I am what is commonly considered by many as a wasted talent. It's too bad for me that i came from such a broken home.

I was trying to read Freud when i was 12 to 14 to try to educate myself at home in my bedroom because attending formal school was very hard on me being transgendered.
I've read Freud's The Interpretation of Dreams, and, On Sexuality, at that young age, with a dictionary on hand. I hardly understood what i was reading as it was way ahead of my brain power, but the will was there. I later turned to music, as it was an outlet for expression.

I never wanted to read any fiction because i dropped out of school so young so i tried to read only books from which i could learn something. The more i learned, the more i alienated myself from the ignorance of my immediate family.
When i talk to them, it's like trish talking to me. They don't understand half of what i am trying to express.

They always accused me of trying to be better than them. Especially after being where i was while in Europe and the lifestyle i was living.
It's sad to become so different from one's own family.

As life progressed, i had to work, and the learning slowed down.
That's not to say i've learned so much in life. I haven't learned nearly enough, and so, i ask question sometimes.
I am not saying that i am smarter than anyone else.


Ok look,
I have things to do today so i can't keep writing on and on, and i love writing.
I will return later to try to finish this post and respond to the comments that were already made on the topic of this thread. Thanks to trish and bronco for the better comments.
I am not happy it turned into a antisemitic debate against me.

In closing:
I never meant to offend anyone with this thread. I knew this was a sensitive topic and that's why i only offered the most minimal posted words which came to the word, "Discuss", because i didn't want to say the wrong thing, because of bronco, mostly, and fred's sacracsim and eye rolling and disapproval of Gentiles discussing Jewish issues and people. And that was learned in the LOCKED thread from several weeks ago.

I hate dogmas. I like learning.
I am off to the swimming pool, followed by dinner.And i have to wash the walls of one room, by hand, so i am not sure if i will be back tonight.

I wanted to offer, at least, something with this post, but i've run out of time. I have to go.

Babe,
xoxo