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  1. #1801
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    Default Re: The FAST Approaching Gun Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Stavros View Post
    From wikipedia:

    in 2016, 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 crashes, an average of 102per day. In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes (30,296 fatal crashes), killing 32,999 and injuring 2,239,000,and around 2,000 children under 16 years old die every year due to traffic collisions.Records indicate that there has been a total of 3,613,732 motor vehicle fatalities in the United States from 1899 to 2013.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...n_U.S._by_year

    Protect your citizens, and ban motor vehicles...
    This is a good example of how ridiculous his argument is. But he is likely to actually see it as useful and another red herring to use. He will also dutifully ignore the rebuttals.

    What matters in all of these areas of potential regulation is: how many deaths are preventable? Given the current state of regulation, how many deaths would be prevented by additional layers of regulation? What are the costs of those regulations?

    In the case of alcohol, we tried to ban it and were not able to. So now there is a mandated drinking age that is greater than the age at which one can vote and enter the military. There are strict rules against driving and using machinery when intoxicated. There are additional layers of liability for proprietors who serve alcohol, encouraging them to use discretion when they do. We don't see a bunch of viable approaches to preventing death through regulation that can be implemented but which are blocked by lobbying.

    What about motor vehicles? Well, we register cars, we have mandatory insurance, we have mandatory testing for the competency of drivers, we revoke the privilege for reckless behavior. Cars are required to have seatbelts and maybe airbags, though in the latter case if it's not mandatory they usually do. Car manufacturers are sued even when people misuse their products in predictable ways and the products fail. For instance, there have been successful suits against car manufacturers when cars flip in situations where the driver is at least partly to blame.

    But with guns? Lobbying has prevented the implementation of features that make guns safer. Lobbying has prevented all sorts of regulations that in aggregate would save lives. You don't see that with motor vehicle safety or anything that is a public hazard and can be addressed...

    The issue is what can be done in a sensible way v. what is actually done. And if Mr. Fanti actually considered these things, he'd realize how silly his red herring examples make him seem. In the meantime, when I'm not posting, I'm happy to vote with my thumbs.


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    Default Re: The FAST Approaching Gun Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TS Evelyn Summers View Post
    Soooooooooooo....


    With all the crazy'ness in the world goin on....


    What do all the firearm owners in on the forum think YOUR president will do about arms in January???


    I tried to get as many 18 rnd 9mm & 14 rnd .45ACP mags I could find before the ban takes place.....and there WILL be one!


    But....EVERYWHERE I go...All "Hi-Cap" Mags & Rifles are gone!!!!!!



    I couldnt even get one!!!!!


    Unreal.......


    Gun shops are chaging almost $200 for ONE used 30 rnd magazine....


    Its all about the money I guess!!!!!


    No one said anything when the IRS ( Internel Revenue Service ) bought 1,000,000 rounds of 9mm!


    WTF does the IRS need with a million rounds of 9mm!
    Damn...They got all the money....now they want all the ammo too ?!....


    SOMETHING is going down.....WAKE THE FUCK up people!!!!

    Share your thoughts!


    Eve,


    xoxo
    These old the sky is falling stock up on bullets rhreads are my personal jam.

    Never change, wingnuts.



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    Default Re: The FAST Approaching Gun Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by rhythmicdelivery View Post
    These old the sky is falling stock up on bullets rhreads are my personal jam.

    Never change, wingnuts.
    An outright gun ban is never going to happen. However, the bones cast predicting the death of the NRA seem to be aligned correctly. Can't wait to have a few beers in memory of one of the worst organizations in American history.



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