Cliven Bundy

[Ben]

Does Cliven Bundy Represent the Ugly American?

[trish]

Cliven Bundy was denied bail today. Hooray!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/0...Bundy-in-court

Some excepts

Bundy is lawless and violent. He does not recognize federal courts – claiming they are illegitimate – does not recognize federal law, refuses to obey federal court orders, has already used force and violence against federal law enforcement officers while they were enforcing federal court orders, nearly causing catastrophic loss of life or injury to others. He has pledged to do so again in the future to keep federal law enforcement officers from enforcing the law against him. As of the date of this hearing, he continues to violate federal court orders and continues to possess the proceeds of his illegal activities.
Bundy is currently charged with crimes of violence including using and brandishing firearms in connection with crimes of violence under Title 18, United States Code, Section 924(c). As such, the Bail Reform Act presumes that there areno conditions or combination of conditions that will ensure the safety of the community. 18 U.S.C. § 3142(e)(3)(B). Here, no evidence has been adduced during the investigation of the instant charges that even remotely hints at a rebuttal to that presumption. In fact, all the evidence suggests that Bundy will continue to act lawlessly, will not abide by court orders, and will use violence to ensure that federal laws are not enforced as to him.

While Bundy claims he is a cattle rancher, his ranching operation – to the extent it can be called that – is unconventional if not bizarre. Rather than manage and control his cattle, he lets them run wild on the public lands with little, if any, human interaction until such time when he traps them and hauls them off to be sold or slaughtered for his own consumption. He does not vaccinate or treat his cattle for disease; does not employ cowboys to control and herd them; does not manage or control breeding; has no knowledge of where all the cattle are located at any given time; rarely brands them before he captures them; and has to bait the minto traps in order to gather them.

[dreamon]

Cliven Bundy is a friend of the African-American community because he hugged a black man. So he could not be racist, despite the fact that he said African-Americans were better off as slaves.

Reminds me of how Bernie Sanders is considered a friend of the African America community despite Vermont black leaders denouncing him strongly, and all his policies being detrimental to blacks.

[dreamon]

Perhaps they should be looking at big business instead - people like the Koch brothers

Or George Soros. Or Tom Steyer. Or Haim Saban. Or Donald Sussman. Or Laure Woods. Or Herb Sandler. Or James Pritzker. Or Barbara Lee. Or Bernie Schwartz. Or Patricia Stryker. Or Dan Abraham. Or Steven Spielberg. Or Tom Tull. Or Jeffrey Katzenberg Or JJ Abrams. Or Stephen Silberstein. All of whom donated over a million dollars to Democrats. All of whom donated more than the Koch Brothers.

But yes, let's continue with the Koch Brothers boogie man, because it's very convenient since it is pushed by the Democratic propaganda machine.

[dreamon]

It strikes me that some people will always take the side of a crank because the federal government is always wrong. Which would be the federal government that abolished slavery, passed the civil rights act and sawn the new deal through to save the world economy. Oh well.

Which would be the government that established slavery, established the Jim Crow laws, established the Federal Reserve, spies on you through the NSA, put together the TPP, put together NAFTA, kills thousands of innocent children in foreign countries, denies the LGBT community equal rights and murders people who dare to stand up to all that.

[dreamon]

introduced the new Deal to help end the worst depression in US history

LOL! I sincerely hope this isn't serious. The New Deal worsened and prolonged the Depression. As did the World War the US unnecessarily and forcefully entered itself into.

[trish]

You do realize Prospero (a monitor who was well loved around here) died not long ago and is unable answer your posts or downthumb you. What a fuckin' jerk! Those posts are two years old; that's about your emotional age.

[broncofan]

Reminds me of how Bernie Sanders is considered a friend of the African America community despite Vermont black leaders denouncing him strongly, and all his policies being detrimental to blacks.

I'm not a Bernie Sanders supporter and I have no idea how his policies affect any community. But has he said anything as offensive as what Cliven Bundy said about African-Americans? That's not a rhetorical question. Has he?

[broncofan]

As did the World War the US unnecessarily and forcefully entered itself into.

In consecutive posts you are deploring U.S foreign policy that killed thousands of foreign children and U.S. foreign policy that helped prevent the eventual extermination of all non-German Europeans. I can't tell whether you value innocent life or not.

[dreamon]

I'm not a Bernie Sanders supporter and I have no idea how his policies affect any community. But has he said anything as offensive as what Cliven Bundy said about African-Americans? That's not a rhetorical question. Has he?

In 1972, he wrote about how all women fantasize about being gang raped. In 1969, he wrote about how the cause of ovarian cancer is a lack of orgasms.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...eedom-fluoride