Capitalism with no Government

[Ben]

Why the free market fundamentalists think 2013 will be the best year ever

As communists once did, today's capitalists blame any failures on their system being 'impurely' applied:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...hink-2013-best

[Ben]

Markets Make Us Less Moral

[Ben]

Capitalism Kills Morality - And So Does Socialism, Say Economists:

http://www.science20.com/news_articl...nomists-111691

[joeninety]

And how would a private police force work?

Are you serious....... then who were those guys that were beating up the occupy wall street movement, because they sure as hell weren't serving nor protecting the public.......From my seat I could have sworn they were serving the interests of private corporations.

I think you'll find somewhere in the con that the private police force is actually working fine.

Here are some more of them, these ones are a bit more blatant though

http://www.knowthelies.com/node/4586

[joeninety]

Why the free market fundamentalists think 2013 will be the best year ever

As communists once did, today's capitalists blame any failures on their system being 'impurely' applied:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...hink-2013-best

Come on lets just be honest capitalism as a vehicle for fairness and prosperity was never going to work for the masses, how could it ever have, when at its core its based around making profits.

On the other hand if you are part of the elitist sect and no doubt the true masterminds behind current capitalism, then in fact its been the perfect system, but now it has truly served its purpose, so look in awe and wonderment at next vehicle slowly rolling out before your eyes.

Oh wait I forgot sheeple are blind

[Ben]

Are you serious....... then who were those guys that were beating up the occupy wall street movement, because they sure as hell weren't serving nor protecting the public.......From my seat I could have sworn they were serving the interests of private corporations.

I think you'll find somewhere in the con that the private police force is actually working fine.

Here are some more of them, these ones are a bit more blatant though

http://www.knowthelies.com/node/4586

I should underscore: a completely private police force --
I mean, at present, we don't have a fully private police force. Police are public. Paid by our tax dollars.
In a complete capitalist state -- meaning: no government intervention -- they'd be serving the interest of capital. (Yes! We can debate as to whether or not cops simply serve the interests of corporate capital -- ) They'd be hired by private companies. And whoever has the money would get the protection. Much like a private firefighting force, as it were.
And, too, cities, I think, would fall into disarray if cops and firefighters were fully private.
Fact is: corporations want a powerful state -- to serve their interests. And want to [and are legally obligated to] externalize costs. We see it all the time: with pollution, with a public police force, with public roads, public education.
Corporations externalize costs -- and internalize profits. And it's rational. Fully rational.
I mean, a company must maximize their own income. So, it's sensible to get others -- meaning: the public -- to pay for a police force to protect their property, their interests.

[hippifried]

In a complete capitalist state -- meaning: no government intervention -- they'd be serving the interest of capital.

Rewriting the dictionary again? Capitalism is just a method of pooling resources. It's privatized socialism, with a limited membership & narrowed scope. All governments, from the purest democracies to the most autocratic dictatorships or monarchies, exist for pooling resources. We are bred as social critters in order to pool resources. Even Neanderthal had a system of leaders & followers. Animals pack or herd up. Capitalism needs government intervention. It's all borrowed money. Guess who controls the currencies that make it all possible.

[joeninety]

I should underscore: a completely private police force --
I mean, at present, we don't have a fully private police force. Police are public. Paid by our tax dollars.
In a complete capitalist state -- meaning: no government intervention -- they'd be serving the interest of capital. (Yes! We can debate as to whether or not cops simply serve the interests of corporate capital -- ) They'd be hired by private companies. And whoever has the money would get the protection. Much like a private firefighting force, as it were.
And, too, cities, I think, would fall into disarray if cops and firefighters were fully private.
Fact is: corporations want a powerful state -- to serve their interests. And want to [and are legally obligated to] externalize costs. We see it all the time: with pollution, with a public police force, with public roads, public education.
Corporations externalize costs -- and internalize profits. And it's rational. Fully rational.
I mean, a company must maximize their own income. So, it's sensible to get others -- meaning: the public -- to pay for a police force to protect their property, their interests.

I would love to let you off as I think you are cool

But I think you have missed the point of the con being played out, I agree the police and judiciary system is funded by the public purse, and I agree that they are meant to be public servants, but when push comes to shove they hold the private corporations in higher regard than mere public individuals.

Take a look around banksters commit all types of fraud and are never brought to book unless they fall out of favour with those in the top echelon, Joe public protests against this corruption peacefully, as is his supposed right and in return he/she are assaulted, arrested, processed and convicted.

Due process was in effect carried out by a private force and judiciary system (which masquerades as a public entity) and to add insult to injury the clever bastards use the public purse to fund it.

Public money goes in, the supposed elected elite (who are lent on or part of private corp land) decide how money is spent, what policies to go with blah blah, they then instruct the public masked private entity and it acts out their wishes (not the publics) according to what has been instructed.

How many times have individuals been elected into office by the public, promising to carry out their wishes, only to renege and do the opposite and actually show support to the private sect, yet time and time again people fall for the con of democracy and all of this is getting worse, see the illusion for what it is.

[joeninety]

Capitalism needs government intervention. It's all borrowed money.

It needs it to an extent but too much intervention can have a negative impact especially when corruption spreads its seeds.

Minimal interference from the goverment is best, you only have to look at Hong Kong to see the proof.

[TSBootyLondon]

[My English is appalling tonight (Sorry)! time for bed I think... Night all xx)

Joe I can't take anything that you say in as I am to busy thinking dirty thoughts about the man in your profile picture! lol.... A man who has sucessfully given the name Nigel seX appeal!
Sorry back to your discussion......

I often wonder what life would be without government, we all moan about this party or that party... I think that they have it spot on in Australia... I like their process where by if a politician promised something and fails to deliver, the people do not have to wait for the next election, they have the option to call for a vote at any time and there have been cases where seats have been lost! Keeps them on their toes hey!

x Bella

It needs it to an extent but too much intervention can have a negative impact especially when corruption spreads its seeds.

Minimal interference from the goverment is best, you only have to look at Hong Kong to see the proof.