Immigration Reform - exclusive Order

[bobvela]

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Remind me... did the Emancipation Proclamation apply to the federal territories? Or states still in the union? Or parts of southern states under union control?

Nope! It applied only to those states in rebellion.

Did you forget that Lincoln didn't think he had the authority to simply free slaves in all of the several states... so pushed for what became the 13th amendment?

Shame you don't quite have your facts straight with regards to what happened then or now.

[trish]

You're saying a few temporary measures to ease the suffering of tax paying undocumented workers and their children (until Congress finally gets it together to pass a bill) is way more radical than the Emancipation Proclamation? If it weren't for boehner's foot-dragging insistance on instituting the Hastard Rule this'd be done already.

[trish]

The Hastert Rule is of course, the informal declaration that nothing in Congress shall be brought to a vote unless there are enough Republican votes to pass it without any help from the Democrats. The rule essentially declares that the Democrats shall have no votes in Congress, that the Repuplican Party shall Go It Alone. It's ironic now to hear the Republicans complaining that "the President's going it alone."

[martin48]

Shame on me! Sorry it's your fucked up country and not mine

Remind me... did the Emancipation Proclamation apply to the federal territories? Or states still in the union? Or parts of southern states under union control?

Nope! It applied only to those states in rebellion.

Did you forget that Lincoln didn't think he had the authority to simply free slaves in all of the several states... so pushed for what became the 13th amendment?

Shame you don't quite have your facts straight with regards to what happened then or now.

[fred41]

Shame on me! Sorry it's your fucked up country and not mine

Damn, didn't know it was his...Which fucked up country do you own?

[Stavros]

I might be wrong but I believe that Bobvela was hinting at the controversy over Lincoln's presidency which has been reviewed in these terms:

"The godfather of despotism": the charge has haunted Abraham Lincoln from the advent of the Civil War to the wake of his bicentennial. From partisans during the war to early twentieth century historians to post-World War II political scientists fearing an "imperial presidency" to the latest libertarian Lincoln-hater, Lincoln has been vilified as someone who destroyed the Constitution in order to save the Union. The bill of particulars is lengthy and grave: he suspended habeas corpus and jailed opponents, flouted a court order by the Chief Justice of the United States, ordered troops raised and materiel purchased, blockaded Southern ports, emancipated slaves after denying the power to do so-all without prior Congressional authorization. Professor Clinton Rossiter of Columbia put the case starkly in 1948: "dictatorship played a decisive role in the North's successful effort to maintain the Union by force of arms .... Lincoln's amazing disregard for the words of the Constitution was considered by nobody as legal”.

The full 16-page study of this controversy by Dennis Hutchinson (Chicago Law School) can be found here:
http://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/c...urnal_articles

[Yuengling]

Well, it's not legal to enter another country without permission and then surreptitiously set up residency there.

So, if I was in charge the first thing I would do is reverse Obama's executive order. Then I would deport all illegal aliens. All 11 million or whatever it is. Then I would seal the border with orders to shoot on sight those trying to cross illegally. Then I would impeach Obama. Then I would have Obama arrested and thrown in jail for being a traitor.

[Jericho]

Well, it's not legal to enter another country without permission and then surreptitiously set up residency there.

So, if I was in charge the first thing I would do is reverse Obama's executive order. Then I would deport all illegal aliens. All 11 million or whatever it is. Then I would seal the border with orders to shoot on sight those trying to cross illegally. Then I would impeach Obama. Then I would have Obama arrested and thrown in jail for being a traitor.

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[natina]

I got a few for you

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[Yuengling]

Those are dumb cartoons! There weren't any immigration laws back then. No international laws, etc. People all over the world didn't know anything other than exploration at will. Unlike today when there ARE immigration laws that MUST be followed no matter what!

But I guess they make good cartoons.