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    It's tough to come to any other conclusion given the behavior of the Republican negotiators over the debt ceiling and what it would take to avoid a default on U.S. debt.

    The Republicans just walked away from a debt reduction deal that was basically a love letter to conservatives. It would have been comprised of over 80% spending cuts and less than 20% tax increases, more conservative than the plan proposed by the "Grandpa" Simpson & Bowles Commission. In fact, just such a balance of spending cuts & revenue increases is advocated by a paper presented on Boehner's website, meaning that he and most of the GOP have no problem whatsoever with an 85:15 breakdown. (Recall that the Clinton deficit reduction plan was evenly balanced 50:50 and led to record-breaking economic growth and prosperity.) Their problem appears to be with letting the president get ANYTHING done that might help the economy.

    It's recently been the case that presidents' biggest domestic achievements tend to have been when they employ ideas from the opposite party (think Clinton & welfare, Bush & Medicare Part D) and we saw Obama use a Republican governor's healthcare plan rather than a liberal single-payer approach hoping for bipartisan support. Ditto with Cap & Trade, a Republican plan from a decade ago, that now receives zero Republican support with Obama in office. It's not that Obama's policies are liberal, they're aren't, it's that the GOP can't let him have any victories which might get him re-elected. And while all of this is deeply hypocritical and embarrassing for them as party it wasn't dangerous until now.

    We all know how unpatriotic Limbaugh is because he openly and proudly roots against our president and our country but you'd think elected officials might have some residual feelings of honor or duty to see our country through a tough time.

    So it will be interesting to see how thoroughly the GOP has been captured, not by ideology, but by extreme & cynical partisan politicking. There's nothing conservative about defaulting on U.S. debt (in fact it's unconstitutional) but if the Republicans think that wrecking the economy again will unseat Obama, they'll probably do it, America be damned.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BluegrassCat View Post
    It's tough to come to any other conclusion given the behavior of the Republican negotiators over the debt ceiling and what it would take to avoid a default on U.S. debt.

    The Republicans just walked away from a debt reduction deal that was basically a love letter to conservatives. It would have been comprised of over 80% spending cuts and less than 20% tax increases, more conservative than the plan proposed by the "Grandpa" Simpson & Bowles Commission. In fact, just such a balance of spending cuts & revenue increases is advocated by a paper presented on Boehner's website, meaning that he and most of the GOP have no problem whatsoever with an 85:15 breakdown. (Recall that the Clinton deficit reduction plan was evenly balanced 50:50 and led to record-breaking economic growth and prosperity.) Their problem appears to be with letting the president get ANYTHING done that might help the economy.

    It's recently been the case that presidents' biggest domestic achievements tend to have been when they employ ideas from the opposite party (think Clinton & welfare, Bush & Medicare Part D) and we saw Obama use a Republican governor's healthcare plan rather than a liberal single-payer approach hoping for bipartisan support. Ditto with Cap & Trade, a Republican plan from a decade ago, that now receives zero Republican support with Obama in office. It's not that Obama's policies are liberal, they're aren't, it's that the GOP can't let him have any victories which might get him re-elected. And while all of this is deeply hypocritical and embarrassing for them as party it wasn't dangerous until now.

    We all know how unpatriotic Limbaugh is because he openly and proudly roots against our president and our country but you'd think elected officials might have some residual feelings of honor or duty to see our country through a tough time.

    So it will be interesting to see how thoroughly the GOP has been captured, not by ideology, but by extreme & cynical partisan politicking. There's nothing conservative about defaulting on U.S. debt (in fact it's unconstitutional) but if the Republicans think that wrecking the economy again will unseat Obama, they'll probably do it, America be damned.
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    Ever hear of cutting spending?

    Congress holds the purse strings anyway....

    Why do you consider it unpatriotic if one disagrees with the POTUS?



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    It's traitorous to say from the outset that you will do everything possible to make sure the president fails, including sinking the economy and failing to approve his appointees on the grounds that they actually agree with the stated missions of their would be posts. So on this 4th of July weekend all traitors can go fuck themselves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BluegrassCat View Post
    It's tough to come to any other conclusion given the behavior of the Republican negotiators over the debt ceiling and what it would take to avoid a default on U.S. debt.

    The Republicans just walked away from a debt reduction deal that was basically a love letter to conservatives. It would have been comprised of over 80% spending cuts and less than 20% tax increases, more conservative than the plan proposed by the "Grandpa" Simpson & Bowles Commission. In fact, just such a balance of spending cuts & revenue increases is advocated by a paper presented on Boehner's website, meaning that he and most of the GOP have no problem whatsoever with an 85:15 breakdown. (Recall that the Clinton deficit reduction plan was evenly balanced 50:50 and led to record-breaking economic growth and prosperity.) Their problem appears to be with letting the president get ANYTHING done that might help the economy.

    It's recently been the case that presidents' biggest domestic achievements tend to have been when they employ ideas from the opposite party (think Clinton & welfare, Bush & Medicare Part D) and we saw Obama use a Republican governor's healthcare plan rather than a liberal single-payer approach hoping for bipartisan support. Ditto with Cap & Trade, a Republican plan from a decade ago, that now receives zero Republican support with Obama in office. It's not that Obama's policies are liberal, they're aren't, it's that the GOP can't let him have any victories which might get him re-elected. And while all of this is deeply hypocritical and embarrassing for them as party it wasn't dangerous until now.

    We all know how unpatriotic Limbaugh is because he openly and proudly roots against our president and our country but you'd think elected officials might have some residual feelings of honor or duty to see our country through a tough time.

    So it will be interesting to see how thoroughly the GOP has been captured, not by ideology, but by extreme & cynical partisan politicking. There's nothing conservative about defaulting on U.S. debt (in fact it's unconstitutional) but if the Republicans think that wrecking the economy again will unseat Obama, they'll probably do it, America be damned.

    Interesting take on things..........but elections have consequences as someone once said, and if you rewind to last autumn, you'll recall a nationwide rebuke of liberals and by extension their fiscal policies.
    For the first time in a number of years, fiscal conservatives not only have a seat at the table, but some fairly substantial leverage and they're going to use it no matter how much the Demagoguer in Chief whines about corporate jets, which is the equivalent of a pissing in the ocean.
    I have yet to see Obama's plan........have you? You tell us what the plan is, but that's not what the reports I heard were....and his budget went down to a 97-0 thrashing in the Senate, so how serious is he? I realize he's otherwise preoccupied with a full calendar of fundraising events and family vacations, but you country needs you Mr. President. In the aftermath of the Republicans walking away from the talks, Obama held a press conference. In that conference he eluded to taxing owners and users of corporate jets no less than 10 times....and this after a fairly nice slice of cash went to the makers of these same jets by way of Mr. Obama's stimulus. If that's the type nonsense he's bringing to the table, I'd have walked to.
    Here's all you need to know about the seriousness of Obama.....in evaluating Obama's performance after the press conference, a liberal Obama suck up Wahsington reporter, on a far left cable network told the panel he sounded like a "dick". I think that pretty much sums it up. I couldn't agree more...No need for me to follow that with anything.



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    For the first time in a number of years, fiscal conservatives not only have a seat at the table
    Bullshit. Real fiscal conservatives would increase taxes on the wealthy until they're up to the Reagan level of taxation. The insipid assholes Onmyknees is talking about are pawns (some witting and some not) of the corporate power structure.

    ...he's otherwise preoccupied with a full calendar of fundraising events and family vacations...
    Really!! You really want to go there after eight years of a commander in chief who went to bed at 8:00 in the evening, got up and rode bicycle until noon and spent more time clearing bush on his ranch than the average GI spent on the ground in Iraq.


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    Quote Originally Posted by trish View Post
    Bullshit. Real fiscal conservatives would increase taxes on the wealthy until they're up to the Reagan level of taxation. The insipid assholes Onmyknees is talking about are pawns (some witting and some not) of the corporate power structure.
    Yeah me too. I'm really sick of this tired old attempt to use the most extreme political positions to describe the central core of civil political debate, to the exclusion of all else. The liberal side of me resents the bogus labels of communist, extremist, socialist, radical, or even left wing as an attempt to falsely discredit anything I might say or think, regardless of which wing the label comes from. The conservative side of me (yes there is one) resents the bogus labels of fascist, extremist, reactionary, or even right wing as an attempt to falsely discredit anything I might say or think, regardless of which wing the label comes from. It's all bogus. You can't predict someone's position on an issue by their position on an unrelated issue. The boxes that are supposed to pigeonhole folks are a myth for the most part.


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    David Brooks is stealing from my posts for his column. Maybe I should write for the NYT lol. Anyway straight from the mouth of a (moderate) Republican:

    "...If the Republican Party were a normal party, it would take advantage of this amazing moment. It is being offered the deal of the century: trillions of dollars in spending cuts in exchange for a few hundred billion dollars of revenue increases.



    A normal Republican Party would seize the opportunity to put a long-term limit on the growth of government. It would seize the opportunity to put the country on a sound fiscal footing. It would seize the opportunity to do these things without putting any real crimp in economic growth.
    The party is not being asked to raise marginal tax rates in a way that might pervert incentives. On the contrary, Republicans are merely being asked to close loopholes and eliminate tax expenditures that are themselves distortionary.



    This, as I say, is the mother of all no-brainers.



    But we can have no confidence that the Republicans will seize this opportunity. That’s because the Republican Party may no longer be a normal party. Over the past few years, it has been infected by a faction that is more of a psychological protest than a practical, governing alternative.



    The members of this movement do not accept the logic of compromise, no matter how sweet the terms. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch in order to cut government by a foot, they will say no. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch to cut government by a yard, they will still say no.
    The members of this movement do not accept the legitimacy of scholars and intellectual authorities. A thousand impartial experts may tell them that a default on the debt would have calamitous effects, far worse than raising tax revenues a bit. But the members of this movement refuse to believe it.
    The members of this movement have no sense of moral decency. A nation makes a sacred pledge to pay the money back when it borrows money. But the members of this movement talk blandly of default and are willing to stain their nation’s honor.



    The members of this movement have no economic theory worthy of the name. Economists have identified many factors that contribute to economic growth, ranging from the productivity of the work force to the share of private savings that is available for private investment. Tax levels matter, but they are far from the only or even the most important factor.
    But to members of this movement, tax levels are everything. Members of this tendency have taken a small piece of economic policy and turned it into a sacred fixation. They are willing to cut education and research to preserve tax expenditures. Manufacturing employment is cratering even as output rises, but members of this movement somehow believe such problems can be addressed so long as they continue to worship their idol.
    Over the past week, Democrats have stopped making concessions. They are coming to the conclusion that if the Republicans are fanatics then they better be fanatics, too.



    The struggles of the next few weeks are about what sort of party the G.O.P. is — a normal conservative party or an odd protest movement that has separated itself from normal governance, the normal rules of evidence and the ancient habits of our nation.



    If the debt ceiling talks fail, independents voters will see that Democrats were willing to compromise but Republicans were not. If responsible Republicans don’t take control, independents will conclude that Republican fanaticism caused this default. They will conclude that Republicans are not fit to govern.



    And they will be right."


    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/opinion/05brooks.html



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    It's tough to come to any other conclusion given the behavior of the Republican negotiators over the debt ceiling and what it would take to avoid a default on U.S. debt.
    Another complete fucking moron.

    Math.

    4th grade math.

    If your household takes in $1000.00 a month and you spend $1200.00 a month do you ask for an addition line of credit and go FURTHER into debt?

    No, you fucking idiot.

    You cut overhead (expenses). There is no reason to "default". You cut government spending.

    There is no need for new taxes.

    Obama the piece of shit has not even acknowledged that cutting spending is an option. I guess that's what you get when you hire a leech-fuck "community organizer" to run a country. He has no business experience.

    All he knows how to do is suck banker cock.



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    No, if you can't meet your obligations just not spending more won't help; you still have economic obligations which you will default on if you don't increase revenues. Perhaps you should retake that math course you're always talking about. Btw, you're out of touch or lying: Obama has given the GOP the spending cut deal of the century, but they turned it down because it also has taxes increases on the wealthy.


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