Video of Athena Addams getting stabbed and robbed

[DeseosEscandulosos]

My take on this: If I were afraid of being recorded on video, I would now be afraid of all escorts, not just Addams. If there's a drop in business, I would expect it to affect all escorts. But I'm not expecting that to happen. I remember a couple of years ago when the police in the city nearest me were conducting a sting by renting a hotel room, running an ad in Backpage, and arresting the guys that showed up. The local news shows ran stories about it several nights running, but the supply of johns never dried up. I think the police only stopped when prosecutors office couldn't handle any more cases. So I don't expect this will have much effect on business for escorts in general or Addams in particular.

Security cameras are great for catching criminals, but they're also a deterrent for crime if the criminal knows that they're being recorded. The best way to do that is to make the camera visible and obvious. But I suspect that really would be bad for business. The next best thing is to keep the cameras hidden, while occasionally releasing video of a criminal recorded in the act. That way, criminals are periodically reminded that there could be a hidden camera in any room with an escort. By releasing the video, Addams may have prevented a few assaults of other escorts by other potential assailants at very little cost to herself.

I don't really expect the video to have much effect on either business or crime, but I think the net effect will be positive.

[GroobySteven]

Not going to dispute that what happened to Athena was terrible and I wish her a speedy recovery, but there is another obvious issue with this situation, why was she recording anyway? Must have been a hidden camera as otherwise the guy would have to be a complete idiot not to lift it and remove the evidence. Maybe she did it as "security", but if so it failed.

What are you talking about? It worked. They'll get this guy.
I'd advise every girl bringing strangers into their apartments to record. If you are that worried an escort may be recording for her own personal safety, then you should probably refrain from visiting escorts. It's nothing new, street walkers used to write down car license plates, when their colleagues were picked up.
Laphroig, you're becoming increasingly obtuse and annoying (ie; trolling).

[GroobySteven]

I personally have no problem with her recording, but there is definitely something that can keep you from getting injured in the first place.

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Brilliant.
Ada Black was shot with her own gun.
How did that work out for her, brainiac ?

[leanthraki]

I read the thread title & thought someone fucked her in the ass & stole her handbag..

[lifeisfiction]

What are you talking about? It worked. They'll get this guy.
I'd advise every girl bringing strangers into their apartments to record. If you are that worried an escort may be recording for her own personal safety, then you should probably refrain from visiting escorts. It's nothing new, street walkers used to write down car license plates, when their colleagues were picked up.
Laphroig, you're becoming increasingly obtuse and annoying (ie; trolling).

I would advise every person both those who provide and visit to have a safety system. I do not want everyone to record, because not everyone is honest. Athena was independent and took steps to ensure her own safety. Some woman are independent, some work in groups, work in agencies or have managers. Different systems require different types of protection. We have to remember some people are freaking shady. Also there is a chance of it falling into the wrong hands. LE will have a hard time with license plates, since many jurisdictions will require some form of corroboration of the evidence. Not so with video and pictures (depending on what is captured).

Some people get threaten with pictures being taken, it happens. Even worst is when it comes back haunt if people are caught. A4E for years bragged their extensive cache of personal information was safe, because they would never get caught and of course I turn on the news and low and behold they were caught. LE was reviewing their personal information. Trust me they do look at who is visiting if they get the information, especially if they had important clientele. Even better, you can get a sweet person like Alex Wright from Maine.

Nikkia said it best it's a rough business, especially when things go wrong. It's messed up what happened and I am glad it worked out. I wouldn't say for moment bad things can't happen, I had seen a gg who literally took my money and told she isn't doing anything. I quickly glanced around and noticed in the corner of my eye a person in the bathroom with a weapon. Or the guy who calls me after a year and half later of seeing a women a few times saying he was looking for his ex-gf and he called since she had my name, number and some other personal information in her special book she kept from her working days. On the other hand there are girls who chat way too much and give up too much information to the wrong person and end up getting insane stalkers. So, I understand from both sides the concern of privacy and safety.

[dreamon]

Brilliant.
Ada Black was shot with her own gun.
How did that work out for her, brainiac ?

Doesn't always work, but defensive gun use does save lives. Ada was being stalked by a sick individual, and that individual would have found a way to harm her as that was what he unfortunately was seeking to do. But guns give you a chance to protect yourself. As many as 200,000 women a year use guns to protect themselves.

[Laphroaig]

What are you talking about? It worked. They'll get this guy.
I'd advise every girl bringing strangers into their apartments to record. If you are that worried an escort may be recording for her own personal safety, then you should probably refrain from visiting escorts. It's nothing new, street walkers used to write down car license plates, when their colleagues were picked up.
Laphroig, you're becoming increasingly obtuse and annoying (ie; trolling).

Obviously, both you and Krissy, have a different opinion to me as to what constitutes security. I've always thought the idea was, as far as is possible, to avoid incidents like this from happening in the first place.

I have no problem with girls taking security measures such as having someone else in the property to call an alarm, but hidden cameras would indeed be a step too far for me and I am genuinely surprised and a little shocked to find someone using one.

Hopefully, if they haven't already, they will catch this guy and at least some good will come of this.

[krissy4u]

OK... now that we've kissed and made up... let's have an honest, civil discussion.

I think you are conflating two terms that I, at least, am not - "security" and "safety". This isn't about "security". Obviously, having a webcam operating or not, does squat when it comes to "avoiding incidents" like this from happening. This is about safety. While I'm not ready to go on the record quite so strongly as GroobySteven does and advise girls to record (with constant video), I do recommend that you have some sort of safety feature present, combined with a security system [like a panic button(s)]. I don't escort anymore, but I have a hidden webcam that takes a clear burst of pictures of anyone who walks in/out my front door, triggered by motion, date/time stamped, and uploaded to the cloud. I have three trusted friends who know how to access that information. I notify one of them when I'm about to have someone over and when I'm done. I cannot understand why, because of some unspoken "rule" between escorts/clients, you'd put a girl's life over a good lay... that just doesn't make sense to me. "Little Black Books" have existed literally... FOR YEARS. The technology is what has changed... not the method of recording clients' information. Can you explain this please?

If you're worried about privacy... like it or not, you ARE recorded EVERYWHERE these days. Almost every apartment complex that I've lived in here in the US, has a security system that records license numbers, where you go onsite, etc. And, whether you know it or not, almost every savvy apartment complex manager knows if an escort, escorts - the escort's neighbors most certainly do. THEY could just as easily film you, blackmail you, or do all the things you're worried about. It isn't difficult. I completely agree with GroobySteven when he says, "...if you are worried... then you should probably refrain..."

You've got to realize that an escort has little to gain by releasing hidden recordings... as you already noted - it would destroy her business. But, she has everything to gain (literally - her life) by having some sort of safety precaution should things go awry. So again, I just don't understand why this is even an issue to be brought up in this case. A girl is stabbed, and you think the issue is the recording...??? I honestly just don't get that and I'd like to understand because your point of view is voiced often enough that a lot of people seem to think that way... and it irritates me.

Obviously, both you and Krissy, have a different opinion to me as to what constitutes security. I've always thought the idea was, as far as is possible, to avoid incidents like this from happening in the first place.

I have no problem with girls taking security measures such as having someone else in the property to call an alarm, but hidden cameras would indeed be a step too far for me and I am genuinely surprised and a little shocked to find someone using one.

Hopefully, if they haven't already, they will catch this guy and at least some good will come of this.

[Stavros]

In 13 years I've never had a problem until now. I've had a security camera for years now and you've never seen nor heard of footage until now and you never will... I have values and a code of etics. I appreachiate everyone who calls me and chooses me to guide them down the patch of self discovery. I see very few callers, and have never had an issue with my screening process until now.

I've had a security camera for years now and you've never seen nor heard of footage until now and you never will... I have values and a code of ethics
-This is the key sentence because whatever someone records in their own home, it could be illegal to share it in public without the consent of the person or persons in the film -has nobody heard of Revenge Porn? If a crime is committed -be it assault, or burglary, for example- then the footage can be used as evidence and it is up to the police if that footage is released upon conviction. And suppose an escort agrees to an outcall but is not aware that the client in the hotel room has set up a hidden camera without her consent? It is clear to me that Athena has acted properly in this case, and we must be grateful this incident did not have disastrous consequences.

[Laphroaig]

Krissy

Again, I appologise for any misunderstandings and will attempt to clarify what I mean.

Firstly, what happened to Athena was terrible and the guy responsible deserves to be brought to justice, but it's not really an issue for discussion as such, because I doubt you'll find anyone who disagrees with that statement.

I'm well aware that in this day and age most hotels/appartment blocks have CCTV and that I will be on record entering and leaving them. However, those recordings are pretty harmless, could be easily explained if needed, and will probably be wiped after a few weeks anyway. I don't even particularly have a problem if an escort wants to put CCTV outside her own property. However, and the reason I raised this as an issue, is that Athena's recording is in the room where the "action" happens. This is the first time I've come across concrete evidence of an escort doing this and it does concern me and (I believe) crosses a line and breaks the "rule" that you mention. As you stated yourself, I don't know when or how the recording was started, but it does present the possibility of recording a whole session, which as Stavros points out could lead to Revenge Porn or similar. Athena is indeed within her rights to release the recording under the circumstances, but what constitutes a valid reason to release a video like that? Assault -yes, short changed by a £10 - no. Where would the acceptable line be drawn? As we're all aware these days, once something is leaked to the internet, it's there forever.

I understand and accept your points about appartment managers/neighbours, etc. However, in my case, the girls I see are almost always touring and probably aren't around for long enough for anyone to figure out what they are up to, or if they do, they'll be gone before anything is done.

I don't really understand your point of safety vs security as a hidden camera, as far as I can see, did nothing to protect either in this case. The camera recording could as you and Steven have said, be used as evidence to help put the guy away, but it's still unclear as to whether the video has actually been given to the Police or not yet. Maybe that's a point that Athena can clear up, if she hasn't already in the twitter link.

Legalities, I don't particularly want to get into as I'm aware there will probably be differences between UK and US laws which will probably only result in further misunderstandings and arguments.