Disappointed when Producers of TS content let people make jokes on our behalf

[MrsKellyPierce]

Can I just say though I find companies like Grooby, SMC, Shemalestrokers, or even Joey and Jay Sin as different in one way..They mostly only produce transsexual porn and a lot of them value or attracted to transsexuals.

A lot of these directors would rather produce straight porn or even lesbian porn, but bigger companies realize tranny porn pays..

So they may shoot us, but it doesn't necessarily mean they support us a 100%

Not that what he did is something to condone..

I think we will continue to have this insensitivity from the big mainstream companies because to them we are just a $$$$..they are not invested in the 'trans side of it/political side".

[Genetic]

That seems a strange thing to say. Crossdressers are for the most part transgendered themselves, just to a different degree to transsexuals.

I'll fully admit that I'm no expert on the subject but I'm pretty sure you're wrong there. I know men who crossdress because they enjoy it or they get sexual satisfaction from it but they are in no way transgendered. One of them is your stereotypical straight "lad" who gambles, drinks, smokes and you wouldn't suspect it of him.

If you believe that transsexuals should not tolerate crossdressers because it generates negativity and misconceptions

I didn't say I believed they should I said "I would have thought" which is very different. It's like when you see You Tube videos of a cat accepting a baby squirrel as one of it's kittens. You wouldn't think it would accept the squirrel, but it does. That doesn't mean you want the cat to kill the squirrel.

There are plenty of feminists who are completely intolerant of MtF transsexuals because they believe they reinforce gender stereotypes. What about non-sex worker transsexuals, should they be intolerant of sex-worker transsexuals?

As Rabbiteyes said, the assumption is generally that every ts is a sex worker, so I can certainly understand frustration there. I don't think anyone should hate or dislike anyone else; as above you can expect people to react a certain way without wanting them to actually do so.

Let me put it this way. Everytime someone finds out I am vegetarian they ask me if I eat fish. If you eat fish you are a pescatarian, not a vegetarian but yet there are an awful lot of people out there who incorrectly identify themselves as vegetarians who eat fish.

Those people piss me off because it means I have to explain myself and even have to reject fish dishes because many people assume that I will eat it. I think that is understandably frustrating but I always calmly explain the situation so people know for future reference.

In that example my life is being made very very slightly inconvenient by a misconception. Therefore it stands to reason that people who's lives are great disrupted due to misconceptions would harbour resentment towards the people who contribute towards the misconception. It's just logic, not an endorsement of a way to behave.

There's a big difference between objectifying and disrespecting. There's nothing wrong with not wondering what the Diet Coke guy's hobbies and interests are but there definitely is something wrong if you judge him as somehow less than human simply because he uses his body to make a living.

Now I take issue with this "less than human" schtick because feminists use it regularly. I can appreciate it must be very frustrating to be ogled or leered at or made to feel that your body (not you personally, but you as in 'one') is the most important feature of you rather than your personality. That doesn't make the person on the receiving end less than human, it simply is a lack of regard for any aspect other than their appearance.

It's the same for anorexic or obese people. The victim is being judged by their appearance rather than by their other features but they aren't being treated as less than human.

By your argument, every time someone pays another person a compliment on their looks they are dehumanising them and treating them as subhuman. That makes no sense whatsoever and is the fatal flaw in the objectifying = dehumanising argument.

What the issue here is that feminists can't seem to grasp is that there is positive attention and negative attention; nothing more than that. If a guy gives a woman a genuine compliment that she "looks lovely today" then that's a positive. If a guy says, "I'd love to bury my face in your tits" to a woman he barely knows it's negative. Neither dehumanise the recipient, it's up to the receipient to react. I know women who love that sort of crude attention though the majority hate it. Like Jamie said earlier, words (and behaviour) are subjective and it's down to the person on the receiving end to be an adult and make their own decision as to how they feel about it.

You can't be dehumanised if you don't allow yourself to be.

[Genetic]

Apologies for the double post, I tried to edit but it timed out.

We often give the general population a great deal of credit. That they are capable of differentiating fantasy from reality (tv, movies, books, commercials, porn...all generally engineered fantasies). Yet, it is shown repeatedly through every culture that these things do affect the mind and how we think about subjects (and groups of people).

Yes but we have a choice whether we allow those things to change our minds or not. Surely if all people who watched ts porn were brainwashed by it there would be no discussion here, it'd simply be every woman being told to get her tits out?

This is actually a good explanation of the subtle way this works. I admit before I started to transition, I thought of trans people as drag queens or sex workers (and had rather negative views of them).

http://www.good.is/posts/how-i-learn...sgender-people

I would suggest then that was possibly your own ignorance? I don't buy the idea of the media brainwashing us, if that was the case wouldn't 25 years of watching horror films have turned me into a serial killer by now? There's always a scapegoat to blame: video games, rap music, heavy metal, horror films, porn, McDonalds or whatever because no one wants to be accountable for their own behaviour. Yes these stimuli have an effect for sure, but then our own internal compass should correct that.

I have never ever though of transexuals as being crossdressers or men. I probably watched all the same programs/films as you, but to me I disagreed with the opinion of Jim Carey in Ace Ventura. The whole scenario of a man discovering too late that a woman he'd kissed had a penis was obviously ridiculous because why would anyone trick someone and by doing so put themselves in a position where they would be in danger? It makes no sense.

It would be like a straight person distancing themselves and shunning gay people because they were afraid that association would label themselves gay (oh wait, straight people were doing that for a long time...and it proved them to be horrible cowards).

I would say that the issue is that straight men are afraid because being around a gay man triggers intrusive thoughts which then threatens their sexuality. Everyone gets intrusive thoughts which are against their nature but those thoughts are natural. Just because you get a thought that the gay man sucks dick so what would it taste like if you had a dick in your own mouth, doesn't make you gay but most people don't understand that.

[Rabbiteyes]

I don't buy the idea of the media brainwashing us,

So you don't "buy" a rather well known and common social phenomenon? (one that isn't even disputed by those who study it, there isn't a debate here).... Okie dokie.

[BigBlackMan]

Stop complaining. You're making roses so woman the fuck up. Geez

[Rockit_]

Stop complaining. You're making roses so woman the fuck up. Geez

What the hell? Contribute or GTFO.

[Genetic]

So you don't "buy" a rather well known and common social phenomenon? (one that isn't even disputed by those who study it, there isn't a debate here).... Okie dokie.

So you ignore everything I say and take that one snippet because conveniently it's the only thing you can dispute?

Did you read the rest of the paragraph where I explained my reasoning, that yes I agree that it has an effect but not to the degree it's claimed? We have the choice to over-ride what the media tells us, through reasoning and free will.

For the last 12 years all we've heard about is militant Islam and how Muslims are terrorists, that they are colonising the world with their higher birthrates, repeated terror threats, violence and riots, beheadings on tv and other negativities. So why is it that after 12 years of being fed that, we're probably now even more tolerant, accepting and understanding of Muslims than we were pre-9/11?

[Rabbiteyes]

you can dispute?

Yup, I can dispute

[BigBlackMan]

What the hell? Contribute or GTFO.

I am! Too much whining going on. If you're getting paid, who cares.

[Jackal]

So you ignore everything I say and take that one snippet because conveniently it's the only thing you can dispute?

Did you read the rest of the paragraph where I explained my reasoning, that yes I agree that it has an effect but not to the degree it's claimed? We have the choice to over-ride what the media tells us, through reasoning and free will.

For the last 12 years all we've heard about is militant Islam and how Muslims are terrorists, that they are colonising the world with their higher birthrates, repeated terror threats, violence and riots, beheadings on tv and other negativities. So why is it that after 12 years of being fed that, we're probably now even more tolerant, accepting and understanding of Muslims than we were pre-9/11?

Maybe because that is an incredible lie and prejudice against Muslims is a scourge in many different societies? If you don't think that media that promotes bigotry can influence or create more prejudice, you're absolutely ridiculous. It may not be brainwashing Clockwork Orange-style but the mass media has significant influence over the masses.