John Wayne vs Clint Eastwood

[loren]

Clint Eastwood is cool, but I'd hate to see what this country would be like without John Wayne. I mean the guy fought in almost all of America's wars.

[buttslinger]

Well of course Clint Eastwood is gonna win on a damn HOMO SITE!!!!!Clint Eastwood could not have existed in the 1930s, he most certainly could not have carried a film. You had Gary Cooper, Clark Gable, Humphrey Bogart, and Errol Flynn. Now you've got Brad Pitt, Will Smith and Johnny Depp! Who's the better actress, Bette Davis or Julia Roberts? In the Depression, movies were more important. They didn't have cable TV back then. No special effects. Walt Disney.

Of course, I really liked Clint in Eiger Sanction, and Where Eagles Dare.

[Dino Velvet]

Django is the best-known I think of this list, although I haven't seen any -clearly Dino your knowledge of film is in some genres greater than most! I looked up The Great Silence to find Klaus Kinski character is called Loco!

Years ago I knew someone who was obsessed with martial arts films and rated The Fate of Lee Khan as one of the greatest ever made, although I don't believe it is available in any form (not in the UK anyway).

Stavros, please see The Great Silence so we can discuss it. I have an interesting story about the film's premiere too.

[ValerieNelson]

Richard Harris was a great bullshit artist. Morgan Freeman was also excellent again playing Eastwood's friend. Wonder what they talked about while the camera wasn't rolling.

Hrmmm maybe about which was their favorite John Wayne movie was?

[talldudeil]

John Wayne for westerns and Clint Eastwood for other parts, although great in westerns you cannot beat the Duke

[fred41]

Actually, depending upon one's personal definition of a "Western"...they are not always just American. Watch the Australian film "The Proposition"...it's a good "western".

[Stavros]

I saw The Proposition and loathed it. As for it being a western -no. Again, I think most westerns are about private property, greed, and issues of power -lawman -vs-outlaw, but in essence they are all about the growth of capitalism and free markets in the US, which is why the issues of slavery and the treatment of your first nations are fundamental to a good western -including those set in the Civil War. The Dollars films work for me because the motivation is greed, but also because the men whose greed seems limitless partly enjoy hunting other men, but also because they seem incapable or unwilling to settle down, get married, have a family, a homestead. I think John Wayne is often either a husband or a widower or someone whose relationships have failed, whereas Eastwood seems to be the free spirit, more anarchic--?

[Jericho]

I saw The Proposition and loathed it. As for it being a western -no. Again, I think most westerns are about private property, greed, and issues of power -lawman -vs-outlaw, but in essence they are all about the growth of capitalism and free markets in the US, which is why the issues of slavery and the treatment of your first nations are fundamental to a good western.

I loved "The Proposition", thought it had a definite western feel and theme to it.

And while we're on about Australian westerns, i think "Quigley Down Under", deserves a mention.

[robertlouis]

I saw The Proposition and loathed it. As for it being a western -no. Again, I think most westerns are about private property, greed, and issues of power -lawman -vs-outlaw, but in essence they are all about the growth of capitalism and free markets in the US, which is why the issues of slavery and the treatment of your first nations are fundamental to a good western -including those set in the Civil War. The Dollars films work for me because the motivation is greed, but also because the men whose greed seems limitless partly enjoy hunting other men, but also because they seem incapable or unwilling to settle down, get married, have a family, a homestead. I think John Wayne is often either a husband or a widower or someone whose relationships have failed, whereas Eastwood seems to be the free spirit, more anarchic--?

What did you think of Peckinpah's Major Dundee, Stavros? Flawed, as all his films are, but it handled the issues of race etc particularly well, I thought.

[ValerieNelson]

I also liked this HBO movie called, "El Diablo."