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09-17-2009 #191
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To many liberals, Patriotism means allegiance to the goals and principals of the American left, which often run counter to, and plot the demise of America as a sovereign nation.
"...I no longer believe that people's secrets are defined and communicable, or their feelings full-blown and easy to recognize."_Alice Munro, Chaddeleys and Flemings.
"...the order in creation which you see is that which you have put there, like a string in a maze, so that you shall not lose your way". _Judge Holden, Cormac McCarthy's, BLOOD MERIDIAN.
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09-17-2009 #192
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Originally Posted by slip969
A person is shot or has a broken leg...whatever. Goes into a hospital but doesn't have insurance. Do you toss him out on the street? By your view, I'm assuming you would.
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09-17-2009 #193
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Any healthcare system should be based on the concept of the healthy paying for the sick. Anything else is simply inhuman.
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09-17-2009 #194
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Originally Posted by archineer
We should have a Surge into Brazil and Thailand for their supply of Tgirls
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09-17-2009 #195
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Originally Posted by TommyFoxtrot
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09-17-2009 #196
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Originally Posted by TommyFoxtrot
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09-18-2009 #197
A friend of mine has a nice saying that explains some of the political situation to me.
A progressive has to say right from the start he could be wrong. It is inherent in believing there is always another better way. A conservative never has to say he's wrong, because what he believes in is already proven to work enough for him.
On the healthy having to pay for the sick... um yeah. We've tried the personal responsibility thing where we expect all people to prepare for the worst, but the reality of the world is that no one person can prepare sufficiently for random illness or disaster on anything but the highest salaries. The only way to handle disaster and illness is to all pay into some pool for dealing with these relatively rare events when they strike the unlucky few.
Who at 20 has the means to deal with cancer or a kidney failure? At 30? How about at 63? We're talking access to hundreds of thousands of dollars, above and beyond all other needs.
Just one more nice guy finishing last...
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09-18-2009 #198
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Originally Posted by thombergeron
Secondly, where were you while Trish was giving her distorted views of conservatives?
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09-18-2009 #199
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The "liberal" vs "conservative" divide in the USA is pretty interesting. I tend to side with the liberal side, but I listen a lot to the conservatives and appreciate the ideas of self-reliance and the inefficiency of government for solving problems. On the other hand, I feel strongly that much of the social progress we've made in US history is due to active government and would not have happened otherwise.
One of my conservative friends pointed out that the percentage of people who don't pay taxes is fast approaching a majority. He worries that when that happens the impoverished majority can tax the hell out of the wealthy minority. Here democracy may become a kind of tyranny.
One of the great problems in the USA is the deep divide between rich and poor. I'm not sure, but I bet this divide is much worse here than in other industrialized countries, and it's due to our legacy of immigration (illegals, impoverished, and slaves) -- a legacy other countries don't have to the same degree. Therefore you cannot compare the societies: what works in one country might not work in the USA.
There is a danger that if we socialize everything we simply cannot pay for it. Consider that we are already borrowing at an enormous and unsustainable rate. The entire economic system in the USA could become unstable and collapse. Indeed some think this is already starting to happen.
It's great to have liberal ideals -- but you need a workable plan and someone has to PAY for it. Clever ideas are very welcome. Dreamy ideals with no plan are not useful.
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09-18-2009 #200
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Originally Posted by MrF