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    Quote Originally Posted by Clind
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave32111
    You did notice, of course, that in 2007 (for instance), the US gave out $21,197,000,000 in foreign aid?

    I don't support everything the US government does, but I damn well think we do a lot better than most other nations.
    The american goverment sould keep this money for the American people. The all "Charity" matter is well known to everyone that wants to make publiC relations, all this money off course is money that are going to specific goverments, all this money its nothing else but a tool for political influence to several countries and goverments.

    Also this money is exactlly an alabite for the American politic that needs a profile like this.

    The problem is not the Americvan Nation or anything else like this, is generally the capitalist system that create imperialist countries who trying to have bigger part of the "pie", so i m not talking only for the Americans and offcourse not for the people.

    Americans are only the leaders in this game, that make billionaires with the sweat of the people.

    I m not going to support any pirate but i have to say that all this pirates have connectiions with terrorist groups , and this groups off course have closed relations with the goverments, and i m not going to forget that the big nations with USA first was supporting goverments like Somalian because very simple "doing the job".

    Off course this allliances is changing and many times you ve turned your bag to your childs(Bin Landen, Sadam, Taliban, etc).
    You know, it would be that wouldn't keep the US private citizens from giving more foreign aid than their government does.

    *sigh*

    So have you come up with that government system that's better?

    And where are you from, since you seem to be very opinionated without coming up with a solution, or even suggestion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hippifried

    Trish,
    You need to get with the program.


    OMG, trish, look out- if you question the actions of the US Navy you'll turn into a vampire!

    lmfao


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    Quote Originally Posted by Oli
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    You know why merchants don't arm themselves? Because it's illegal. .
    Merchant ships sailing in international waters may carry weapons. Merchant marine ships may not carry weapons in the national waters of many countries, however.
    Which is a big point considering that this ship was sailing into Somalia with relief aid.
    Except the Maersk Alabama was sailing to Mombasa, Kenya with relief aid for Uganda, Somalia and Rwanda.

    And the attack occurred in international waters
    That, I didn't know. The first report I watched on this case said they weren't in international waters... but you know what they say: if you don't care about the news you're uninformed, but if you read/watch the news you're misinformed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave32111
    Quote Originally Posted by Clind
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave32111
    You did notice, of course, that in 2007 (for instance), the US gave out $21,197,000,000 in foreign aid?

    I don't support everything the US government does, but I damn well think we do a lot better than most other nations.
    The american goverment sould keep this money for the American people. The all "Charity" matter is well known to everyone that wants to make publiC relations, all this money off course is money that are going to specific goverments, all this money its nothing else but a tool for political influence to several countries and goverments.

    Also this money is exactlly an alabite for the American politic that needs a profile like this.

    The problem is not the Americvan Nation or anything else like this, is generally the capitalist system that create imperialist countries who trying to have bigger part of the "pie", so i m not talking only for the Americans and offcourse not for the people.

    Americans are only the leaders in this game, that make billionaires with the sweat of the people.

    I m not going to support any pirate but i have to say that all this pirates have connectiions with terrorist groups , and this groups off course have closed relations with the goverments, and i m not going to forget that the big nations with USA first was supporting goverments like Somalian because very simple "doing the job".

    Off course this allliances is changing and many times you ve turned your bag to your childs(Bin Landen, Sadam, Taliban, etc).
    You know, it would be that wouldn't keep the US private citizens from giving more foreign aid than their government does.

    *sigh*

    So have you come up with that government system that's better?

    And where are you from, since you seem to be very opinionated without coming up with a solution, or even suggestion.
    I m from Greece, sugestion about what? about how we will stop the Somalian pirates?
    Yes i have lets rise up, against capitalists who gain from our work, rise up against the puppets goverments who serve this class, lets share the global resourses, lets share the result of our work , lets stop steel third world , and WHEN we do all that , yes i will have sugest about the Dumb ass Somalian pirates.

    My friend you see the tree and you dont see the forest .



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    Quote Originally Posted by Clind

    I m from Greece, sugestion about what? about how we will stop the Somalian pirates?
    Yes i have lets rise up, against capitalists who gain from our work, rise up against the puppets goverments who serve this class, lets share the global resourses, lets share the result of our work , lets stop steel third world , and WHEN we do all that , yes i will have sugest about the Dumb ass Somalian pirates.

    My friend you see the tree and you dont see the forest .
    If the US were following strict capitalism, we would not allow our military to go fight the pirates in the first place. The pirates have not directly entwined themselves with official federal gov affairs (that is to say, the stuff in the constitution itself).

    If we were truly strictly capitalist, we'd simply tell the merchants to go hire mercenaries like Black Water for defense in the region. And if you can afford it, great, if not- their loss.


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    The Big Machine will just move on
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    And the escalation continues...


    French nab 11 pirates as threats mount on US ships
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    MOMBASA, Kenya – A pirate gang that launched an abortive attack on a second U.S. ship loaded with food aid said Wednesday they were singling out American vessels and would kill their crews, while French forces detained 11 other hijackers in a high-seas raid.

    Pirates fired grenades and automatic weapons at the Liberty Sun, but its American crew successfully blockaded themselves inside the engine room. The ship was damaged in Tuesday's attack but escaped and was heading to Kenya under U.S. Navy guard.

    A pirate whose gang attacked the aid ship admitted Wednesday that his group was targeting American ships and sailors.

    "We will seek out the Americans and if we capture them we will slaughter them," said a 25-year-old pirate based in the Somali port of Harardhere who gave only his first name, Ismail.

    "We will target their ships because we know their flags. Last night, an American-flagged ship escaped us by a whisker. We have showered them with rocket-propelled grenades," boasted Ismail, who did not take part in the attack on the Liberty Sun.

    The move comes after U.S. Navy sharpshooters killed three pirates Sunday to win the release of a hijacked American sea captain, Richard Phillips of the Maersk Alabama.

    The French forces, meanwhile, launched an early morning attack on a pirate ship after spotting it Tuesday with a surveillance helicopter and observing the pirates overnight. The raid thwarted the bandits' planned attack on the Liberian cargo ship Safmarine Asia, the French Defense Ministry said.

    The statement called the pirate vessel a "mother ship" — usually a seized foreign ship that pirates use to transport speedboats far out to sea and resupply them. The ship was intercepted 550 miles (900 kilometers) east of the Kenyan city of Mombasa.

    The 11 detained pirates were being held on the Nivose, a French frigate among the international fleet trying to protect shipping in the Gulf of Aden.

    France has traditionally been aggressive in fighting piracy — this was its ninth military operation against pirates. Three Somali pirates were in the French city of Rennes on Wednesday facing judicial investigation after being captured in a hostage rescue Friday. Several other pirates are also in French custody after being seized last year.

    Tuesday's attack on the Liberty Sun foiled the reunion between Phillips and the 19-man crew he saved with his heroism. Phillips had planned to meet his crew in Mombasa and fly home with them Wednesday, but was stuck on the USS Bainbridge when it was diverted to help the Liberty Sun.

    The crew left without him, flying to Andrews Air Force base in Maryland in a chartered plane.

    "We are very happy to be going home," crewman William Rios of New York City said before departing Wednesday. "(But) we are disappointed to not be reuniting with the captain in Mombasa. He is a very brave man."

    Third mate Colin Wright, from Galveston, Texas told ABC's "Good Morning America" that fighting off pirates gave him a new appreciation for life.

    "I'll just love to hug my mother," Wright said. "Everybody out there give your mother a hug. Yeah, don't wait. Life is precious. And what a beautiful world."

    The Liberty Sun had left Houston with a crew of 20 American sailors and a load of aid for the U.N. World Food Program. It warded off the pirates with evasive maneuvers, according to U.S. Navy Lt. Nathan Christensen of the Bahrain-based 5th Fleet.

    "We are under attack by pirates, we are being hit by rockets. Also bullets," Liberty Sun crewman Thomas Urbik, 26, wrote his mother in an e-mail. "We are barricaded in the engine room and so far no one is hurt. (A) rocket penetrated the bulkhead but the hole is small. Small fire, too, but put out."

    By the time the Bainbridge arrived five hours later, the pirates had left. A small group of armed U.S. sailors from the Bainbridge went aboard the Liberty Sun to ensure its safe journey to Mombasa.

    Despite President Barack Obama's vow to take action against the rise in banditry and the deaths of five pirates in French and U.S. hostage rescues, brigands have seized four vessels and more than 75 hostages since Sunday's dramatic rescue of Phillips.

    Pirates released a Greek-owned cargo ship Wednesday and Greek authorities said all 24 crewmen on the Titan were in good health. The ship had been hijacked March 19 in the Gulf of Aden.

    In all, Somali pirates are holding over 280 sailors on 15 ships — at least 76 of those sailors captured in the last few days. Pirates have attacked 79 ships this year and hijacked 19 of them, according to the International Maritime Bureau, a piracy watchdog.

    Pirates can extort $1 million or more for each ship and crew seized off the Horn of Africa — and Kenya estimates they raked in $150 million last year.

    The United States has asked the International Committee of the Red Cross and Somali officials to help locate the families of the three pirates slain Sunday by Navy snipers so their remains can be returned, a senior U.S. official said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record.

    The difficulties in getting food aid delivered could leave some Somalis hungry.

    World Food Program spokesman Peter Smerdon said more food aid was to have been delivered by another cargo ship hijacked Tuesday, the Lebanese-owned MV Sea Horse. It was headed to Mumbai, India, to pick up 7,327 tons of WFP food for Somalia.

    "WFP is also extremely concerned that people in Somalia will go hungry unless the Sea Horse is quickly released or a replacement ship can be found," he said.

    Hours before the attack on the Sea Horse, pirates seized the Greek-managed bulk carrier MV Irene E.M. in an unusual nighttime raid. They also captured two Egyptian fishing trawlers carrying 36 fishermen.

    Pirates say they are fighting illegal fishing and dumping of toxic waste in Somali waters but now operate hundreds of miles from there in a sprawling 1.1 million square-mile danger zone.

    A flotilla of warships from nearly a dozen countries has patrolled the Gulf of Aden and nearby Indian Ocean waters for months. They have halted many attacks but say the area is so vast they can't stop all hijackings.

    The Gulf of Aden, which links the Suez Canal and the Red Sea to the Indian Ocean, is the shortest route from Asia to Europe. More than 20,000 ships cross the vital sea lane every year.

    Pirate attacks in the region have rapidly increased lately, according to the International Maritime Bureau. In less than four months this year, there have been 79 attacks, compared to 111 for all of 2008.

    In 2003, there were only 21 attacks by Somalis in this expanse of water.

    Last year pirates took 815 sailors hostage and hijacked 42 ships.


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    Hopefully we shall see a bit less of the unwarranted prejudice shown against the French, for a day or two or so.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8000447.stm



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    Quote Originally Posted by Clind
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave32111
    Quote Originally Posted by Clind
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave32111
    You did notice, of course, that in 2007 (for instance), the US gave out $21,197,000,000 in foreign aid?

    I don't support everything the US government does, but I damn well think we do a lot better than most other nations.
    The american goverment sould keep this money for the American people. The all "Charity" matter is well known to everyone that wants to make publiC relations, all this money off course is money that are going to specific goverments, all this money its nothing else but a tool for political influence to several countries and goverments.

    Also this money is exactlly an alabite for the American politic that needs a profile like this.

    The problem is not the Americvan Nation or anything else like this, is generally the capitalist system that create imperialist countries who trying to have bigger part of the "pie", so i m not talking only for the Americans and offcourse not for the people.

    Americans are only the leaders in this game, that make billionaires with the sweat of the people.

    I m not going to support any pirate but i have to say that all this pirates have connectiions with terrorist groups , and this groups off course have closed relations with the goverments, and i m not going to forget that the big nations with USA first was supporting goverments like Somalian because very simple "doing the job".

    Off course this allliances is changing and many times you ve turned your bag to your childs(Bin Landen, Sadam, Taliban, etc).
    You know, it would be that wouldn't keep the US private citizens from giving more foreign aid than their government does.

    *sigh*

    So have you come up with that government system that's better?

    And where are you from, since you seem to be very opinionated without coming up with a solution, or even suggestion.
    I m from Greece, sugestion about what? about how we will stop the Somalian pirates?
    Yes i have lets rise up, against capitalists who gain from our work, rise up against the puppets goverments who serve this class, lets share the global resourses, lets share the result of our work , lets stop steel third world , and WHEN we do all that , yes i will have sugest about the Dumb ass Somalian pirates.

    My friend you see the tree and you dont see the forest .
    No, about a government or economic system that differs significantly from capitalism that actually works?

    Greece is without problems? There are captured ships under Greek flag as well - see the above post. 8% unemployment? (2007) Still dealing with problems with Turkey? Cyprus?

    Surely you don't suggest another failed communist country?


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    actually, it's been completely within the warlords MO to send kids to do the dirty work. It was the same when I was there. I'll never forget the little kid who was posturing up to fire off an RPG at the embassy, could barely handle the damn thing. He took one to the head too. Sad, very sad!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Clind
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave32111
    Quote Originally Posted by Clind
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave32111
    You did notice, of course, that in 2007 (for instance), the US gave out $21,197,000,000 in foreign aid?

    I don't support everything the US government does, but I damn well think we do a lot better than most other nations.
    The american goverment sould keep this money for the American people. The all "Charity" matter is well known to everyone that wants to make publiC relations, all this money off course is money that are going to specific goverments, all this money its nothing else but a tool for political influence to several countries and goverments.

    Also this money is exactlly an alabite for the American politic that needs a profile like this.

    The problem is not the Americvan Nation or anything else like this, is generally the capitalist system that create imperialist countries who trying to have bigger part of the "pie", so i m not talking only for the Americans and offcourse not for the people.

    Americans are only the leaders in this game, that make billionaires with the sweat of the people.

    I m not going to support any pirate but i have to say that all this pirates have connectiions with terrorist groups , and this groups off course have closed relations with the goverments, and i m not going to forget that the big nations with USA first was supporting goverments like Somalian because very simple "doing the job".

    Off course this allliances is changing and many times you ve turned your bag to your childs(Bin Landen, Sadam, Taliban, etc).
    You know, it would be that wouldn't keep the US private citizens from giving more foreign aid than their government does.

    *sigh*

    So have you come up with that government system that's better?

    And where are you from, since you seem to be very opinionated without coming up with a solution, or even suggestion.
    I m from Greece, sugestion about what? about how we will stop the Somalian pirates?
    Yes i have lets rise up, against capitalists who gain from our work, rise up against the puppets goverments who serve this class, lets share the global resourses, lets share the result of our work , lets stop steel third world , and WHEN we do all that , yes i will have sugest about the Dumb ass Somalian pirates.

    My friend you see the tree and you dont see the forest .
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    You really should stop with this communist b.s. The far left has run Greece how many times in the last few decades and your nation is a Basketcase. The whole country needs to get its shit together.


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