Donald Trump Indicted on 7 Counts

[Stavros]

The Politico article in the link looks into the fractures that might emerge among the 19 Defendants in the Georgia case.

What I don't know is what the legal status is of lawyers like John Eastman and Sidney Powell -if they are not on a Federal Contract, are they allowed to claim 'Attorney-Client Privilege'? Set aside the claim the law was broken, changing the rules, I don't really understand their status, or how they even got into the White House at all.

In the case of Mark Meadows, his problem is that in addition to being a Federal Employee, he must also be aware of the Hatch Act, and the argument that a sitting President has no legal right to personally challenge any election result in any State, let alone get the senior official on the phone to seek a reversal of the outcome.

But this is quite astonishing, if true-

"Meadows made clear in his own testimony at last week’s hearing that Trump viewed the false electors as a significant part of his strategy to remain in power. He said he sent an email pushing the campaign to assemble those slates because he feared a tongue-lashing from Trump.
“What I didn’t want to happen was for the campaign to prevail in court action and not have this” lined up, he said.
“Why?” prosecutor Anna Cross asked him.
“Because I knew I’d be yelled at by the president of the United States,” he said."
Trump’s co-defendants are already starting to turn against him - POLITICO

Seriously? If he is that terrified of the man, why didn't he just resign and let someone else do the dirty jobs as dictated to by Trump? Or, how about telling the man 'You can't do this, it's against the law'?

Pathetic.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Seriously? If he is that terrified of the man, why didn't he just resign and let someone else do the dirty jobs as dictated to by Trump? Or, how about telling the man 'You can't do this, it's against the law'?

Because he was afraid of him. He knew that if he didn't do what Trump wanted, Trump would try to ruin him.

[KnightHawk 2.0]

The Politico article in the link looks into the fractures that might emerge among the 19 Defendants in the Georgia case.

What I don't know is what the legal status is of lawyers like John Eastman and Sidney Powell -if they are not on a Federal Contract, are they allowed to claim 'Attorney-Client Privilege'? Set aside the claim the law was broken, changing the rules, I don't really understand their status, or how they even got into the White House at all.

In the case of Mark Meadows, his problem is that in addition to being a Federal Employee, he must also be aware of the Hatch Act, and the argument that a sitting President has no legal right to personally challenge any election result in any State, let alone get the senior official on the phone to seek a reversal of the outcome.

But this is quite astonishing, if true-

"Meadows made clear in his own testimony at last week’s hearing that Trump viewed the false electors as a significant part of his strategy to remain in power. He said he sent an email pushing the campaign to assemble those slates because he feared a tongue-lashing from Trump.
“What I didn’t want to happen was for the campaign to prevail in court action and not have this” lined up, he said.
“Why?” prosecutor Anna Cross asked him.
“Because I knew I’d be yelled at by the president of the United States,” he said."
Trump’s co-defendants are already starting to turn against him - POLITICO

Seriously? If he is that terrified of the man, why didn't he just resign and let someone else do the dirty jobs as dictated to by Trump? Or, how about telling the man 'You can't do this, it's against the law'?

Pathetic.

Because Mark Meadows is very afraid of his leader the MAGA King Donald Trump,because if he did resign,his leader would go after him.

[Stavros]

Because he was afraid of him. He knew that if he didn't do what Trump wanted, Trump would try to ruin him.

If you are right it only raises more questions about what kind of a man Mark Meadows is. He took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, not Donald Trump, so are you saying he not only thinks, or thought Trump is greater than America, but that he was powerless to disobey him? There may be some twisted psychology at work here, though one recalls the way Mike Pence regarded Trump in terms of some odd belief that he treats him as a Christian, his humility and virtue will be rewarded, something Trump would neither understand nor care about.

No, there is something wrong here, and it may be distilled into the 6th of January, that day when according to his staff, he did nothing as the Capitol was besieged by Trump's disciples. Surely, at critical points in history, people in positions of power are called upon to make decisions that are based on conscience, on their duty and for the benefit of the country, not themselves. I just can't understand how Trump, known to his staff as a moron, a man known to all to be utterly obsessed with himself to the exclusion of everyone else, commanded such slavish loyalty even when the people concerned could see he was destroying their country and its Institutions.

Of all the people other than Trump and Giuliani who need to be punished, Meadows must be right up there. A worthless coward, a charmless sycophant, and now a pathetic loser desperate to avoid being held accountable for his atrocious behaviour when his country was being attacked.

And when the time comes, is Trump going to defend Meadows, or cast him as one of the many he blames for his fall?

[filghy2]

Moral cowardice has been the story of the Republican Party in recent years. Even when he was must vulnerable after January 6 those who really wanted him gone were afraid to act. If Mitch McConnell had persuaded a few others to back his words and support the impeachment the US would not be in this situation.

We all know the real source of Trump's power is the cult-like hold he has over about half of the Republican voters. The other half will largely acquiesce at the end of the day because they have been brainwashed into believing that the greater danger is the supposed liberal conspiracy to destroy their way of life.

[Fitzcarraldo]

If you are right it only raises more questions about what kind of a man Mark Meadows is. He took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, not Donald Trump, so are you saying he not only thinks, or thought Trump is greater than America, but that he was powerless to disobey him? There may be some twisted psychology at work here, though one recalls the way Mike Pence regarded Trump in terms of some odd belief that he treats him as a Christian, his humility and virtue will be rewarded, something Trump would neither understand nor care about.

No, there is something wrong here, and it may be distilled into the 6th of January, that day when according to his staff, he did nothing as the Capitol was besieged by Trump's disciples. Surely, at critical points in history, people in positions of power are called upon to make decisions that are based on conscience, on their duty and for the benefit of the country, not themselves. I just can't understand how Trump, known to his staff as a moron, a man known to all to be utterly obsessed with himself to the exclusion of everyone else, commanded such slavish loyalty even when the people concerned could see he was destroying their country and its Institutions.

Of all the people other than Trump and Giuliani who need to be punished, Meadows must be right up there. A worthless coward, a charmless sycophant, and now a pathetic loser desperate to avoid being held accountable for his atrocious behaviour when his country was being attacked.

And when the time comes, is Trump going to defend Meadows, or cast him as one of the many he blames for his fall?

Meadows was a craven opportunist working for a craven opportunist. They flock together. Trump often uses mafia-type language when he speaks, denigrating "rats" who turned against him. Of course criminals don't like rats, because if someone talks, they don't get to continue with their crimes. None of Trump's crew cared about the Constitution. I can guarantee you that Trump has never even read it.

[Stavros]

The more desperate he gets, the more desperate the language, but the repeated use of extreme words in the end strips them of their meaning. Mark Milley? Guilty of Treason. NBC? Guilty of Treason. And so on. Either it looks like there will be a Saudi Arabian style orgy of executions if Trump is selected by whoever counts the votes to be 'President', or this is just fatuous waffle from a man whose use of the word 'deranged' appears to be more personal than he realizes. One just hopes some nutter with an AR-15 doesn't decide to save his country by wasting its people.

Trump vows to investigate NBC parent company for ‘treason’ (yahoo.com)

[filghy2]

L'etat, c'est moi?

The idea of restructuring the entire US government (including the DoJ) to be under Trump's personal control is not just fatuous waffle. There is a plan to do just that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

[Helvis2012]

Lock him up!

[Stavros]

Score so far:

The Truth 1, Donald J. Trump 0.

"Donald Trump committed fraud for years while building the real estate empire that catapulted him to fame and the White House, a New York judge ruled on Tuesday in a strongly worded rejection of the former president’s bid to throw out a civil lawsuit against him.Judge Arthur Engoron found that Trump and executives from his company, including his sons Eric and Donald Jr, routinely and repeatedly deceived banks, insurers and others by massively overvaluing assets and exaggerating his net worth on paperwork.

His ruling came in a civil lawsuit brought by Letitia James, New York’s attorney general, days before the start of a non-jury trial that will hear accusations that Trump, and the Trump Organization, lied for a decade about asset values and his net worth to get better terms on bank loans and insurance."
Donald Trump committed fraud as he built his real estate empire, New York judge rules | Donald Trump | The Guardian