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Thread: Do you want a 2nd BREXIT vote?
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02-14-2018 #31
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Re: Do you want a 2nd BREXIT vote?
You are partially correct but I have been saying the European Union should be broken up for about 5 years are so. I think some people have mistaken me for a floating voter who watches television then decides how to vote. You couldn't be more wrong. I don't sit on the fence with anything. I still feel the same and won't be happy till the lot is broken up. You seem to struggle with this? Cameron going was a huge bonus. I didn't actually believe him before the result as he, like most Tories, is a passive liar.
I've STILL yet to see or meet anyone who isn't wealthy who actually voted to remain & I will add; I still think YOU are a Politician or someone who's worked very closely with them but that's your business.
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02-14-2018 #33
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I have trouble believing this could be anyone's favorite quote. In form it looks like a clever or memorable statement but is lacking any depth, insight, or wisdom. It is my favorite quotation, except for all the others.
The issue with referendum is the degree to which an issue is decided in a purely democratic manner as opposed to being mediated through representatives. Likewise in our country, it is not just our representative government that prevents pure democracy but also inviolable rights that we set aside.
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02-14-2018 #34
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I was wondering if you could give some examples of how this might work to your benefit. In particular what regulations would you be able to avoid? So you're saying you think your financial sector is going to be more profitable if banks are able to avoid costly regulations in countries that have less stringent regulations? Why is more legislation appropriate in some places but not others and in what ways would your banks be more competitive if the E.U did not restrict their practices?
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02-14-2018 #35
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Fair enough, I give you credit for voting against Cameron as well as being opposed to the EU, but I still wonder why. The UK was a founder member of the European Free Trade Area in 1960 and the economic growth of the 1960s is often attributed to that, which was a further incentive to join the EEC as it then was. I think you know the political arguments that led to the formation of the European Union in its early form in the 1950s, and I think you are sensitive to the need France and Germany had to put centuries of war behind them and find a new way of living together. For all the criticisms of it -let us not talk about the garbage speech Boris Johnson gave today-, the EU as it is has been a blessing rather than a curse, and if your preferred option were to come to pass -the dissolution of the EU- it would merely be replaced in time by another trading bloc with or without the 'political union' just as the UK in time will realise that 'standing alone' doesn't make sense and either re-join the EFTA or find some other collective to be part of. For the simple reason that this is how capitalism now works best, not through individual, but through collective and creative partnerships. Do you really think the US is going to scrap the North America Free Trade agreement? The UK can only flourish if it has trade with other countries, I cannot think of a more stupid proposition than leaving a market of 500 million with trade worth more than $200 billion a year for an inferior relationship that by definition will leave the UK poorer, even as it seeks re-entry into the very same market it has just left. The USA cannot thrive as an economy without allowing foreign governments to buy its (colossal, and gowing) debt, to invest in its properties and industries, just as supply chains are now global not national.
But maybe the administrations in the US and UK are begging precisely the question: do we need you? But I think the answer is yes, not no, and that if the US and UK turn inwards the long term costs will be severe.
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Re: Do you want a 2nd BREXIT vote?
no. what's the point? we know we're leaving. If anything, the terms of the deal should be subject to referendum.
Or the government should ask the people directly, have consultations, and then put the most popular option to a vote.
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