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02-22-2007 #1
Debate on ManMade Climate Change Has Just Begun
The science as consensus view was originally placed forward by Dr Naomi Oreskes who analysed almost 1,000 papers on the subject published since the early 1990s, and concluded that 75 per cent of them either explicitly or implicitly backed the consensus view, while none directly dissented from it.
Dr Benny Peiser, senior lecturer in the science faculty at Liverpool John Moores University was dubious. After hiw own carefull analysis of the same set of 1,000 documents concluded that only one third backed the consensus view, while only one per cent did so explicitly. Science Magazine rejected his review yet printed Oreskes`. Dr Peiser ,
"There is a fear that any doubt will be used by politicians to avoid action...But if political considerations dictate what gets published, it's all over for science."
Dr Chris Landsea, an expert on hurricanes with the United States National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, resigned from the IPCC, claiming that it was "motivated by pre-conceived agendas" and was "scientifically unsound".
Prof. David Bellamy, the president of Plantlife International and of the Royal Society of Wildlife Trusts, forced out early after stating, "Global warming is a largely natural phenomenon. The world is wasting stupendous amounts of money on trying to fix something that can’t be fixed,” .
Stephanie Hilborne, chief executive of the Wildlife Trusts," We are not happy with his line on climate change."
William M. Gray, Colorado State University professor of atmospheric science, thinks that the biggest contributor to global warming is the fact that "we're coming out of a little ice age." and that " Consensus science isn't science."
David Deming, University of Oklahoma after publishing a paper on bore hole data, " With the publication of the article in Science, I gained significant credibility in the community of scientists working on climate change. They thought I was one of them, someone who would pervert science in the service of social and political causes. So one of them let his guard down. A major person working in the area of climate change and global warming sent me an astonishing email that said, "We have to get rid of the Medieval Warming Period."
Prof. Bob Carter, James Cook University , " Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention... The man is an embarrassment to US science and its many fine practitioners, a lot of whom know (but feel unable to state publicly) that his propaganda crusade is mostly based on junk science."
Dr. Tim Ball, University of Winnipeg, " The survey that Gore cites was a single transect across one part of the Arctic basin in the month of October during the 1960s when we were in the middle of the cooling period. The 1990 runs were done in the warmer month of September, using a wholly different technology,”
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02-22-2007 #3
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Nature is not static,it changes. The climate has been warmer and colder than it is now. To say we have altered it to a significant degree is debatable at best. When ever you hear about this subject you hear of "a concensus of scientist say". Well i hate to inform some people of this but science is not a concensus,it is fact(look up concensus).It has been proven that at least one volcanic eruption that has happened in the last one hundred and fifty years released more greenhouse gases than all of human history combined..Plus i go by the belief that we are a part of nature and the cosmos itself.Anything we do IS a part of nature(or do you consider us beyond it). Without change nature stagnates and dies.Plus have you ever though of the fact that more carbon dioxide and greenhouse gases have brought higher crop yields to a growing humanity(in the billions).One must way the pluses and benefits,not to mention fact or hype or our role in the universe.
"He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither' Benjamin franklin.
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02-22-2007 #4
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Originally Posted by I_love_Cristina_Bianchini
"I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity." - Poe
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Originally Posted by I_love_Cristina_Bianchini
"I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity." - Poe
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If it cannot be proved it is not science but theory.Theory is is faith based and so is religion.
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02-22-2007 #7
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If it cannot be proved it is not science but theory.Theory is is faith based and so is religionP.S. sorry about the double post.I had a comp malfunction.
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02-22-2007 #8
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Touche.
http://crichton-official.com/fear/
We all have answers.Who is right? Only time and death will decide.
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02-22-2007 #9
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We could both go on and on.I admire your tenacity and thouroughness.
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02-22-2007 #10
Prof Dennis Bray, of the GKSS National Research Centre in Geesthacht, Germany, submitted results from an international study showing that fewer than one in 10 climate scientists believed that climate change is principally caused by human activity.
VK Raina, glaciologist, associated with the research and data collection in over 25 glaciers in India and abroad, debunked the theory that Gangotri glacier is retreating alarmingly.
Raina, "Claims of global warming causing glacial melt in the Himalayas are based on wrong assumptions.”
Dr RK Ganjoo, Director, Regional Centre for Field Operations and Research on Himalayan Glaciology maintained that nothing abnormal has been found in any of the Himalyan glaciers studied so far by him.
MN Koul, geologist, engaged in studying glacier dynamics in J&K and Himachal holds similar views,stating that his research on Kol glacier ( Paddar, J&K) and Naradu (HP), revealed both the glaciers have not changed much in the past two decades.
FACT: Greenhouse gases trap heat.
FACT: Man is producing ever larger quantities of greenhouse gases.
LOGICALLY: Man must be contributing to global warming. The only debate left is how big an impact and what we should do about it.
CO2 is only 0.038% of the atmosphere. Of that only 3.4% is man-made.
Mankind IS NOT the primary cause of GW now or for instance during the Medieval period when it was actually warmer than today. Mankind was neither responsible for the little ice age either or the warming taking place on Mars or Pluto today.
when something cannot be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, such as a 100% causal relationship between man-made CO2 and increases in global temperatures, there is only consensus/theory.
All scientific statistical tests are subject to a 95% confidence interval and must be proven with objective data and analysis Therefore, the IPCC`s “very likely” claim is opnion, not scientific fact.
Crop yields have improved because of increasing temperatures but this will reverse if temperatures continue to increase.