Pulse Nightclub in Orlando Attack

[giovanni_hotel]

It's only a matter of time, and it will be a "2nd generation" Muslim that carries out an attack, like Ft. Hood, Boston Bombers, Paris, Orlando etc.

For a community <2% of the American population, they commit terrorism at a very high-rate.

But we shouldn't talk about, it'll just drive even more Muslims to become terrorists, right?

Regardless, Islam has no place in Western societies, and it shouldn't have any place on this Earth. Fuck that religion and the people who follow such a backwards, savage religion.

Terrorism is a relative term.
Every time this country goes on a pointless military excursion in the Middle East, the civilians of the country we are bombing must see the U.S. military as alpha terrorists.

As for 2nd generation Muslims, we have 2nd and 3rd generations already here who never have committed a single terrorist attack.

If all Muslims were potential terrorists, this country would be burning down.
It's no different than blaming Christianity for the idiots who bomb abortion clinics, except no one ever puts the blame at the feet of Christianity.

However every psycho who bombs an abortion clinic deeply believes they are following the dictates of their religious beliefs.

You can't allow fanatics to define the totality of an entire faith.

[trish]

It's no different than blaming Christianity for the idiots who bomb abortion clinics, except no one ever puts the blame at the feet of Christianity.

However every psycho who bombs an abortion clinic deeply believes they are following the dictates of their religious beliefs.

You can't allow fanatics to define the totality of an entire faith.

Exactly. Thank you.

Neither do we expect every Christian to know who the fanatics are and warn us of them. We do expect everyone to denounce the murder of innocent doctors and innocent club goers. Unfortunately that is not the case. Just Google Pastor Steven Anderson or Pastor Roger Jiminez. Both good Christian pastors are happy to applaud the murder of what they can only see as forty-nine pedophiles.

It does no good to demonize Jews, Christians nor Muslims. It does no good to demonize any religion. We live in a nation that is pledged to remain neutral with respect to religious belief and protect the religious practices of all. We have no religious tests, nor should we have.

Omar Mateen was born a U.S. citizen. Just like Donald Trump, neither of his parents were born citizens. If Omar is Afghani, then Donald is German. For years Omar has been plagued with questions about sexual orientation. He's been visiting the Pulse off and on for years. He used a gay dating app. My guess is his father's homophobia, and the homophobic thrust of Judeo-Christian-Islamic religious texts twisted him against himself. He was a self-hating, homophobic gay man. His grasp of Islamist radicalism was pretty pathetic. He seems to have had no idea of the distinctions between Sunni and Shia. He praised ISIS and Hezbollah which are of course sworn enemies of one another. One suspects the when he credited ISIS for his murders it was mere chance. He might've just as easily credited the Taliban, Al Qaeda or Hezbollah. He said what came into his head. Yes this was terrorism, but it was first and foremost a hate crime against Latinos and Gays. Stirring up hatred for Muslims is just so far wide of the mark it would be laughable were it not so sickening. We might ask ourselves, "Where - in this country - is the hatred of gays and Latinos coming from? Where is it loudest?" It's not primarily coming from the Muslim community, which remains, out of fear, relatively quiet on almost all issues.

We are told again and again that only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun. There were goods guys with guns at the Pulse. It took them three hours to put an end to the horror. We might ask ourselves, "Why do we let bad guys buy guns in the first place?"

[Jericho]

We are told again and again that only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun. There were goods guys with guns at the Pulse. It took them three hours to put an end to the horror. We might ask ourselves, "Why do we let bad guys buy guns in the first place?"

That's the problem, init.
We don't let bad guys buy guns, we let any guys buy guns.
('we' as in you...No fucker trust Brits to own guns...The Powers That Be know how fucked up we are)!!!

I'm sorry children, it's time for an adult to say "'NO"!

[MrFanti]

Indeed, but he is not an 'Islamic' Mayor as he represents the Labour Party not some Islamic party. Nobody ever said Mrs Thatcher was a feminist Prime Minister even though she was a woman. Anne Hidalgo is the Socialist Mayor of Paris, not the Gay Mayor of Paris.

Personal beliefs are often times, the inspiration for laws for those that have the power to establish them...

[trish]

Guns are not the problem - attitudes are.
How long will it be before London's Islamic Mayor institutes some type of an anti-LGBT law?
-> http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/13/lo...dvertisements/

There is simply no indication that he has any intention to do so. Just stop with the dog whistle already. Sadiq Khan is a human rights lawyer, a feminist and a supporter of gay rights. He flew the rainbow flag over City Hall for God's sake.
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/05/17...rom-city-hall/

[MrFanti]

There is simply no indication that he has any intention to do so. Just stop with the dog whistle already. Sadiq Khan is a human rights lawyer, a feminist and a supporter of gay rights. He flew the rainbow flag over City Hall for God's sake.
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/05/17...rom-city-hall/

I hope to see you defend Christian mayors in the same way....

[here4dafun]

Except that Adam Lanza didn't buy his guns? An Ar-15 uses a NATO approved round. It is no more dangerous than a fucking 9mm, or a 12 gauge. Get the fuck over yourself.

ANY GUN can nearly wipe out a school of unarmed and defenseless CHILDREN. IF ONE of those teachers had been armed, it would have been another story. Stop listening to the media on how "dangerous" and powerful the AR-15 is. All those fucktards are the furthest thing from being knowledgeable about firearms and ammo.

We "Americans" do no have a perversion with firearms. We have a right to them, paid for in blood by thousands of men who gave their lives to make this country.

If you don't like it, go to fucking China where a man just killed 29 people with a KNIFE.

[trish]

The knife incident to which you refer happen two years ago in a Chinese train station. Twenty-nine people were killed by ten men armed with long knives. Not much need to own a long knife either. It’s not like people hunt bear with them. But as long as anyone can buy a Sig Sauer MCX, why would they bother with a long knife. Think how many kids ten guys can mow down with MCX’s. Awesome, right? In Newtown, twenty children were killed by a single teenager with an array of firearms. The same day as the Newtown incident, a man in Chenpeng Village stabbed twenty-three school children. None of them died.

Your argument is essentially, if one mentally troubled mass murderer didn’t buy his weapon ('cause his Mom did, even though she knew her son was unstable), we should just go ahead and sell military style assault weapons to everybody who wants one. Nobody gave their life to preserve that bizarre interpretation of the Second Amendment. Sane people will continue to lobby to limit the sell of these weapons. If you don’t like it, you can shoot us. It will only strengthen our argument.

BTW, if your gun dealer wants you to pay for his merchandise in blood, I’d advise you to make your purchase at a different establishment.

[giovanni_hotel]

Except that Adam Lanza didn't buy his guns? An Ar-15 uses a NATO approved round. It is no more dangerous than a fucking 9mm, or a 12 gauge. Get the fuck over yourself.

ANY GUN can nearly wipe out a school of unarmed and defenseless CHILDREN. IF ONE of those teachers had been armed, it would have been another story. Stop listening to the media on how "dangerous" and powerful the AR-15 is. All those fucktards are the furthest thing from being knowledgeable about firearms and ammo.

We "Americans" do no have a perversion with firearms. We have a right to them, paid for in blood by thousands of men who gave their lives to make this country.

If you don't like it, go to fucking China where a man just killed 29 people with a KNIFE.

Be serious.

The AR-15 is a mock up of the M-16, a semiautomatic weapon that can be easily modified to fire automatically.
Saying it fires a NATO approved round as if that affects the lethal potential of the cartridge is laughable.

The muzzle velocity of an AR-15 is nearly 3x greater than a 9mm glock, which makes the cartridge fired from an AR15 that much more deadly.

You wanna fire a weapon designed for the battlefield?? Go join the military.

The AR-15 would have been outlawed under the previous assault weapons ban, rightly so.
Your chances of surviving being shot by a 9mm handgun are several degrees greater than if you're shot by a .223 round from an AR15.

You don't mitigate the threat of firearms in the hands of deranged shooters by making sure more people have guns.
All you're really doing is increasing the likelihood of collateral damage.

Look at our allies and their view on a well armed civilian populace, then look at the United States.
We do indeed have an abnormal 'connection' to firearms, to the point where many gun enthusiasts become collectors and have more guns than they personally need.

Adam Lanza needed his MOTHER to buy his AR15 because he couldn't pass a background check.

Stop with this piss poor argument that if gun regulations can't stop EVERY single mass shooting, we're better off with no gun regulation at all.

A gun is not a vital appendage for day to day survival.
Imagine how you would feel about someone who never left the house without a machete in the trunk of his car and another sitting under the driver's seat, all for 'protection'.

Most of us IMO would think that individual has some emotional issues and extreme social anxiety.

I don't know when it happened but several generations of men in this country see their masculinity directly linked to their ability to own guns.

This needs to stop.
Men need to be able to validate their existence beyond their ability to efficiently end the life of another human being.

That's not freedom.
It's sociopathic.


As for your last phony fact, it was 10(!!) knife wielding attackers who killed 29 train passengers in China 2 years ago, not one killer.

Huge difference.

But why let facts get in the way when you're defending your right to own assault weapons.

[Ben in LA]

It's like talking to a brick wall.