first timer, worried experience will affect my attraction to genetic girls

[sockratees]

Because the vast majority of men who have this attraction are interested in pre-op transexuals or in other words a creation by the porn industry. THe vast majority of transwomen don't wan to be a 'chick with a dick' and they only use their tool to enter the sex industry and make money to get the operation that will get rid of that tool.

If the attraction would be 'I'm attracted to transwomen because they look exactly like a girl and I admire them for what they've been through and all the hard work they did to look exactly like a girl. I'm not bothered by the fact she was born a man', that is healthy and ok, the porn variant however cannot be healthy in my opinion for reasons I explained

Then go for girls who enjoy being what you are attracted to. By the way the porn industry did not "create" this class of individual, they simply exploit the image, perhaps misrepresenting the demographics in the process, but it doesn't mean these women don't exist at all - simply just don't assume you know the person at first sight.

If anything what's "unhealthy" is that there aren't enough of them.

[bluesoul]

If I really liked cock, why would I not focus on it during girl/guy sexual scenes?

for the same reason why there are men who have looked at transsexual women either in porn, or like you, in documentaries and still not attracted to cock.

if you look through this forum, you will come across a thread called fem boy thread finely done right. for many guys, being attracted to a cock is easier to accept when the person it's attached to has a feminine appearance: thus, femboys are attractive to these men because despite them being men, they have far more paramount feminine features and mannerisms.

i'm sure it's possible to summarize every male is fascinated by their own penis, and for some, this fascination can be stronger, but it never fully becomes an attraction to another man, just an attraction to that particular attribute that makes them male. seeing someone who is (in some form) female (like a crossdresser) satisfies their mental equation of what they find attractive (penis) with who they believe they should be attracted to (female person).

btw: you should also be aware. there are guys who actually watch other guys in porn and are even fans of theirs and aren't gay. if you actually check out some body builder forums, the men there are able to critique and admire another naked males physique in a completely non-sexual way. it's the same way some girls can look at another girls boobs or ass without being sexually aroused by it. finding something aesthetically pleasing doesn't necessarily mean you're aroused by it.

I was only saying that it's more difficult to adopt good habits than to simply have a desire to. This is the case with any addictive behavior. Why would that remind you of someone who sued a company for his own lack of self-control? I was merely saying it requires some willpower to break any habit.

your original comment "In all honesty, that's never a bad idea but difficult in practice." matched exactly what that guy's complaint stated. that it was extremely difficult to break a porn addiction in practice (he had tried and failed). his lawsuit failed too

[broncofan]

Of course his lawsuit failed. It's based on the premise that someone else is responsible for his own addiction. Only a moron would think that acknowledging that an addiction requires willpower to break implies that it can't be done or that a purveyor of services is responsible for it.

[whathappenedtome]

for the same reason why there are men who have looked at transsexual women either in porn, or like you, in documentaries and still not attracted to cock.

if you look through this forum, you will come across a thread called fem boy thread finely done right. for many guys, being attracted to a cock is easier to accept when the person it's attached to has a feminine appearance: thus, femboys are attractive to these men because despite them being men, they have far more paramount feminine features and mannerisms.

i'm sure it's possible to summarize every male is fascinated by their own penis, and for some, this fascination can be stronger, but it never fully becomes an attraction to another man, just an attraction to that particular attribute that makes them male. seeing someone who is (in some form) female (like a crossdresser) satisfies their mental equation of what they find attractive (penis) with who they believe they should be attracted to (female person).

btw: you should also be aware. there are guys who actually watch other guys in porn and are even fans of theirs and aren't gay. if you actually check out some body builder forums, the men there are able to critique and admire another naked males physique in a completely non-sexual way. it's the same way some girls can look at another girls boobs or ass without being sexually aroused by it. finding something aesthetically pleasing doesn't necessarily mean you're aroused by it.



your original comment "In all honesty, that's never a bad idea but difficult in practice." matched exactly what that guy's complaint stated. that it was extremely difficult to break a porn addiction in practice (he had tried and failed). his lawsuit failed too

Thanks for this, very informative.

I hope next month's encounter will solve the questions I have. I intend to see an Asian TS of one of the escort sites in London.

I'm also fascinated by crossdressers or boy to girl transformation videos on YouTube like this one:

[bluesoul]

no worries whathappenedtome

[broncofan]

I have no idea why you haven't posted here for a year. But I recall when you used to post here, you would troll people with pictures that had nothing to do with what they said and you would sometimes quote my posts and claim they said something that no honest person could think they said. So I was naturally curious about what else you've written and basically all of your posts are as bad. P.S. you might want to update your screencapture.

[bluesoul]

I have no idea why you haven't posted here for a year. But I recall when you used to post here, you would troll people with pictures that had nothing to do with what they said and you would sometimes quote my posts and claim they said something that no honest person could think they said. So I was naturally curious about what else you've written and basically all of your posts are as bad. P.S. you might want to update your screencapture.

sounds like you took things pretty personally. i actually have no idea who you are

i hadn't posted for a year because i decided to do a little traveling and working abroad. hope you didn't miss me too much

[broncofan]

i hadn't posted for a year because i decided to do a little traveling and working abroad. hope you didn't miss me too much

Traveling abroad and working in a place with no internet. No, I only noticed when I saw you post again and having a normal memory recalled what a childish idiot you are.

[Fyusian]

Then go for girls who enjoy being what you are attracted to. By the way the porn industry did not "create" this class of individual, they simply exploit the image, perhaps misrepresenting the demographics in the process, but it doesn't mean these women don't exist at all - simply just don't assume you know the person at first sight.

Indeed and don't many ladyboys in Thailand choose to continue living with a penis even if they have money for surgery? For some, it's more comfortable because that's what they've always been familiar with and it doesn't define their identity.

I'm not attracted to men, so if I never discovered TS porn I would probably never have been obsessed by that part of the male anatomy. I just don't consider it compatible with who I am. I watched lots of straight porn before, so I saw lots of dicks but my focus has Always been on the girl during BJ scenes for example, never on the cock. That changed with TS porn hence my confusion. If I really liked cock, why would I not focus on it during girl/guy sexual scenes?

If you're not attracted to men you can consider yourself perfectly straight.

A trans-woman with a penis is a different thing all together. For some it's a fetish, it's exotic and taboo for others and of course that brings out all sorts of psychological reasons as to why we're attracted. It's "new" and "fresh" for some of us and/or a unique sexual experience for others.

You don't have to be attracted to cock but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy one on a trans-woman. I can't explain it but if I see a cock by itself, it does nothing for me, but on a woman? I'm fine with it. I perceive a trans-woman as a woman still whether they are pre-op or post and find them attractive.

My trans-attraction was new this year too. I've seen three TS escorts over several months but now have suddenly lost interest after experiencing what they had to offer and I did enjoy it but my attention has gone back to genetic girls again. So I say don't worry, I don't think you'll loose interest in genetic girls. As much as I enjoy anal simulation, I can get that from a genetic girl with a strap-on and also enjoy the pleasures of a vagina too.

That's not to say I've lost attraction to transsexuals. I still find them to very attractive women and have realized there's more to gender than what is between the legs, but I don't think I'd be hiring a pre-op one as an escort again as they are no longer on my mind.

I know some men also actively seek TS's out for relationships but for me, a relationship will come naturally and if that happens to be with a cis woman or trans-woman then so be it. It honestly doesn't matter either way to me so long as I care for the person.

But none of this is anything to feel guilty or shameful about. All men enjoy different sexual experiences.

[Fyusian]

Sorry did not mean to offend you.

I have always been fascinated by transformation as I mentioned earlier and before I discovered porn I never thought about the penis a pre op has. I just considered them to be the same as girls. When I discovered the porn genre it was after years of porn use and I have the feeling it's a result of porn addiction, always needing more intense stimuli to reach the same effect/ tolerance setting in. I cannot believe this is a genuine attraction unless you're bi maybe, but I'm not I find men disgusting sexually.

I would not have a problem dating a transgirl who I would consider to be the same as a genetic girl, but lusting after them for something many transgirls want to remove or feel ashamed of feels wrong. How would you feel if you were a girl trapped in a male body and had to use that 'tool' all the time to save money to get rid of it? For many having a penis seems to be something they are ashamed of and don't want, I think most transgirls want to have the full operation hence why many escort to pay for it. How could I ever feel good about myself playing with that 'tool' if I know it is something they don't want to have and causes them emotional pain?

I just think the fact I got into the porn genre is because of tolerance and addiction, very little to do with 'sexuality' or natural sexual tastes. While I would have no problem dating a transgirl who wants to have an operation and looks/feels like a genetic girl, I do have a problem with persuing a sexual interest that is entirely created by the porn industry and has is not innate at all.

These trans women are the same as genetic women really, they just have another tool. The problem is we still seem to define sex based on genetics and genitalia alone when it should also be based on hormones, physiology and phenotype. There are natural born men and women with the chromosomes of the opposite gender. There are women born with XY chromosomes and they might not even be aware of this yet they are still women. Genetics isn't everything if hormonally, physiology and mentally you are the other sex since genes are only one factor of determining sex. Phenotypically, hormonally and mentally trans-women are women and you'll find that their genitalia does not change that once you meet one.

You're also looking at escorting the wrong way. What about genetic girls who escort to pay for their student fees? To make money for their family? To pay off debts or to open a business? Many are in the escort business to pay off something or to earn money, do you think any truly prefer it? Why have this view only on trans-girls? If a trans-girl has emotional pain from still having a penis then they're going to have that pain whether they escort or not but escorting provides them with a quicker way to have surgery (if that's what they truly desire if they have no intention of working in the adult or escort business long-term).

And to go back to the other question, if you develop a complete taste for t-girls and go off genetic girls forever, what's the big deal if that makes you happy? Alternatively it might just be a fantasy or fetish you want to live out (as I think it was for me) and there's no harm in that.

I've had many different fetishes and fantasies over the years. At one point only lesbian porn aroused me and I went and had a threesome with two girls because of that fantasy. Then that desire only towards lesbian porn stopped, recently it was t-girls and now that seems to have gone too.

That said, I'm going to be aroused over any woman with a hot body, I don't really care what's between the legs but that active desire and fantasy of sex only with a t-girl seems to have gone.