Climate change could mean the extinction of our species

[Ben]

Rapid Arctic thawing could be economic timebomb, scientists say

Methane released by a thinning permafrost may trigger catastrophic climate change and cost the world $60tn:

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...climate-change

[Ben]

[Ananke]

Ben,
So good of you to keep on telling everyone about this. most people are burying their head in the sand!
Anyhow, I think that, whatever we do now, it seems to be too little and too late.
And , surely , whatever we do will be ineffective unless we address the overpopulation.
IMHO, of course!

[Ben]

[paulclifford]

http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/08/...-consequences/

Major Danish Daily Newspaper Warns: ‘Globe May Be On Path To Little Ice Age…Much Colder Winters…Dramatic Consequences’!

Paper features Danish solar physicist Henrik Svensmark on the subject of the UN IPCC: '…many of the climate models used by IPCC and others overestimate the influence of CO2 and underestimate the influence of the sun. … The IPCC is very one-sided, so I don’t think there will be anything reasonable in the next report.'

Also see: Report: Earth undergoing global COOLING since 2002! – Round Up of Current Global Cooling predictions – Climate Depot Exclusive Report
By P Gosselin on 9. August 2013

and,

http://notrickszone.com/2013/08/09/m...-consequences/

The Jyllands-Posten quotes David Hathaway:
‘We now have the lowest solar activity in 100 years,’ David Hathaway from American space research institute NASA newly concluded in connection to the release of new figures for the sun’s activity. He said the activity for the ongoing cycle is half of the previous cycle, and he predicted an even lower activity for the next cycle, which will hit us in few years.”
Suddenly even the greenest of media outlets among us are contemplating what the consequences of a quiet sun may be. The JP then quotes Irish solar specialist Ian Elliott, who saysthese consequences could be dramatic:
It indicates that we may be on the path to a new little ice age. It seems likely we are on the path to a period with very low solar activity, which could mean that we may have some very cold winters.”
Elliott then cites the ice-cold winters of 2009 and 2010 as early signs.
JP then cites at length Danish astrophysicist Henrik Svensmark, who needs no introduction:
Since the 1940s and up to 10 years ago we have had the highest solar activity in 1000 years. The last time we had solar activity that high was when we had the Medieval Warm Period from year 1000 to around 1300. … Historically there has been a close connection between solar activity and temperature for the last 1000 years. Therefore the sun’s activity will also have influence the coming many years. … The unusual thing right now is that sun’s activity is decreasing while there’s a great increase in atmospheric CO2. For that reason the question is how much the earth will cool in atime of decreasing solar activity. … The development is beautifully consistent with a cooling effect of the solar activity in the same period. This could mean that the temperature will not rise for the next 30 years or maybe begin to decrease.”

[NB: the IPCC "one-sided"? You mean . . . biased? How could that be? They're a United Nations organization! They speak truth-to-power! They have nothing but the best interests of mankind at heart! Surely you jest by suggesting they could be misrepresenting data! For what purpose? . . . You mean, maybe as an excuse to impose as much socialism on as many economies as possible? Nah. Couldn't be.

It's true that the old Marxist excuse for imposing socialism — i.e., that capitalism exploits the worker by unfairly confiscating his "surplus value" and calling it "profit" — has been debunked long ago, and that workers have obviously prospered under capitalism. So a new crisis is needed. How about this one: capitalism (read: industrialism, technology, private property) has exploited Planet Earth. And since "there's only one planet Earth," we have to impose socialism and abolish private property in order to "save the planet." Hard to beat that excuse as a glamorous crisis to scare people!]

Here's the late, great George Carlin on that issue as manifested in the silliness of something called "Earth Day":

[Prospero]

What piffle Mr Clifford posts regularly here. I suspect that he is also a member of other forums where he evidences no interest whatsoever in the core interests of the forum, but simply sees it as a potential hunting ground to win support for his neo-con and rabid right wing views. He presents partial evidence whenever he posts.

Mr Clifford why are you in this forum at all?

[hippifried]

It's just party line. The Limbaugh/Armey group is well funded & organized, & planted in every political forum on the web. All this crap comes straight out of that data base. It's all the same bullshit. Take a look. Could even be bots for all I know. What I do know is that engaging them as if they're actually human is an exercise in futility.

[broncofan]

The dead giveaway is that he doesn't just support some variant of right-wing politics. He supports the GOP party line on every subject. A campaigner and professional propagandist.

At least he's shown us that our views of the GOP are not caricatures.

[trish]

Solar activity is distinct from solar luminosity. Solar activity (local phenomena on the Sun's surface ranging from Sunspots to flares and the concomitant ejecta of high speed protons and neutrons that may take up to five days to reach the Earth) is distinct from solar luminosity (which is the flux electromagnetic energy, including ultraviolet and visible light, that takes only eight minutes to reach the Earth, heat it and deliver on the order of a thousand kilowatts of power per square Sunlit meter). The total energy of the former is swamped by that of the latter of orders of magnitude. The particulate ejecta of solar flares ionizes our high upper atmosphere and the high speed collisions create cosmic rays and auroras. Short wave enthusiasts detect this activity as a higher level of background noise. Remember those science projects in school where nerdy kids use Sunlight to brew tea? When was the last time you made a hot cup of tea at night using cosmic rays? How about aurora brewed coffee? The total energy delivered to the Earth by solar ejecta is dwarfed by the just the heat energy that is radiated at night by the warm Earth and trapped under layers of greenhouse gasses. That energy you can actually feel. Indeed the mathematical models that include solar ejecta in their calculations make the same effective predictions as those that exclude the phenomena. So a few years or even a century without Sunspot activity is not going have any cooling effect what-so-ever. Rotational precession cycles are what largely determine the comings and goings of "ice-ages." Sunspots, not so much.

Mr. Clifford and I agree on one thing. Science based on politics is hokum. Yet Mr. Clifford bases his scientific conclusions on the Libertarian-Conservative theory that modern climatology is a Marxist plot.

[Prospero]

If he IS a bot then he is outta here darn soon. So Clifford... what you gotta say?