This board is full of tranvestites and crossdressers

[Willie Escalade]

It's a controversial thread, but at least it has folks talking!

[TsJizelle]

I'm sorry that you weren't afforded the opportunities that you deserved (neither was I - my parents just abused me instead, hoping I would 'toughen up,' which of course I did, but only enough so to transition anyway despite unanimous opposition), but don't you think the attitude of the health care system is partly to blame? Forcing a person to essentially be openly trans for two years before they can be a woman (get hormones and gender change) is counter-productive and dangerous. It's a hidden-in-plain-sight 'outing' technique IMO and it also validates social attitudes that make it easy to dismiss beginning transpeople (especially children) as 'going through a phase' or somehow 'less than.' That's not for medicine to decide; it's for us as a culture to decide, and trust, we already do quite a bit of that.

I'm sorry, but transpeople need access to treatment in order to be accepted as members of their chosen gender because you can't learn how to be a woman by being forced to be a man in a dress. I'm glad the system worked for you, but I also feel for those who view it as an impediment.

~BB~

I can only speak on my experiences in Canada, but I still don't think it's entirely the medical system to blame. It's all to do with education, what is being taught in the universities, what our doctors are being informed about and not. things have drastically changed here in Canada. Before you used to have to go see a "specialist", which you can still choose to do, but most GP's are more confident and comfortable treating trans patients. We're entering a gender revolution finally. Visibility is more dominant and positive then ever before.

You've contradicted yourself a bit Bella. You argued with my initial play on words as the starting point of transition being similar to "crossdress". Not saying that's how I see it, but on a less complex standard it's recognizes the similiar characters of being CD, except the obvious difference of TG/TS being raised as one gender while they are the opposite and CD being someone as one gender and just dressing in the "role" of the opposite. But now you are saying that "two years before they can be a woman (get hormones and gender change)is counter-productive and dangerous." So it takes hormones to be recognized as a woman? this contradicts why you initially argued then.

No one forced me to be open about anything. I made this conscience decision to do this. Sadly yes, there is this process. but it's important. I do not know of anyone I've met over the years being denied for hormones after going through the therapy sessions. All we talked about was my life, the way I saw myself, the way I felt about myself and how I deal with life.

You make it sound like because you answered one of the questions wrong in the multiple choice section of your evaluation form you get a big DENIED stamp. It's not like that. They wanted to make sure there's nothing else causing this decision. They want to make sure I was confident in what I was doing, as I did this entirely on my own with very little support. Look at the cases where the parents were involved, it didn't take as long to receive HRT. (again going back to why I think it's lack of education not the system) Not because they dont question who you are, but they question your ability to handle all the changes alone, if you are doing this as an adult. We all know that hormones change us emotionally more than physically. If I had been given HRT at 15, having had no family or friends or real assurance of who I was an individual (not with reference to my gender), I too would've been one of the suicide statistics. This is only because of my age, my lack of support and still young mentality on emotions. If we flood ourselves with something this chemically altering, without ensuring that the roller coaster of emotions we first experience with HRT will not cause us more harm then good, then how is self medicating or rushing our HRT healthier?

I knew who I was, but I have a way of seeing things. If I know it's genuine and true, no matter what obstacle comes my way, it will happen the way it's meant to. Put some trust into things Bella, not everyone in this world is out to get ya. xx

[BellaBellucci]

You've contradicted yourself a bit Bella. You argued with my initial play on words as the starting point of transition being similar to "crossdress". Not saying that's how I see it, but on a less complex standard it's recognizes the similiar characters of being CD, except the obvious difference of TG/TS being raised as one gender while they are the opposite and CD being someone as one gender and just dressing in the "role" of the opposite. But now you are saying that "two years before they can be a woman (get hormones and gender change)is counter-productive and dangerous." So it takes hormones to be recognized as a woman? this contradicts why you initially argued then.

I'm confused about where you see the contradiction. My point was that, at least in this country, it takes hormones to get your license changed and a 'F' on your license is practically a golden ticket for social acceptance, especially if you're on hormones to become 'passable.' It's a much harder life without those things and if society wants us to 'prove' that we really are trans and not a bunch of fetishists, they should also allow us the most reasonable access to the tools which we need to do that possible.

You make it sound like because you answered one of the questions wrong in the multiple choice section of your evaluation form you get a big DENIED stamp. It's not like that.

Sorry. I'm not Canadian. I just know what it sounded like to me, so I reacted. But I stand by the principle.

Put some trust into things Bella, not everyone in this world is out to get ya. xx

LMFAO. Yeah. That'll be the day.

~BB~

[EvonRose]

I do agree with Bella a bit because what proof of womanhood do you have to show when one is not willing to go trough the awkward, painful, sometimes uncomfortable body and social changes? It is easy to stay in the lines of the middle sex and just be a cd when things get rough go back to normal social gender form, it's not easy for the ts like me who dedicate everything we have to our womanhood wether it be a sex change or a non. we go trough the same strife. same boat.

[BluegrassCat]

gender and sexuality have no correlation people are aware of this fact right?? they are two separate things entirely.

this is the root of much of the ignorance behind trans people. there's a confusion between self perception and attraction in other people.

Yup. This should pop up every time you log onto this site, like an HA catechism.

[Jericho]

All the hot chix here, post a pic of your arse...

[lisaparadise]

All the hot chix here, post a pic of your arse...

youve been hangin around dino way to long lol

[Kayden Harley]

crossdressing is simply a sexual fetish akin to liking to suck toes or liking balloons. it should not be considered under the so-called umbrella term of transgendered individual.

transgenderism is obviously more than just a fetish. any crossdresser on here that says they want to transition but don't is just a lying sack of shit or a complete pussy for not going through with it.

That's not true for everyone. Though I always knew there was something different about me, I realized I couldn't live male anymore while I was 3 1/2 years into a relationship with the only guy I've ever loved. When I spoke to him about this, he threatened to leave. Fearing I'd be handicapped without him, I held off on plans (but secretly visited a therapist seeking answers while researching the transitioning process.)

A few months later, after he finally walked out on me, I started HRT, and BAM, my epilepsy started flaring up. My GP ordered me to stop HRT as he felt it was the source of the spike in my seizures and auras.

For a full year after that, I lived as a CD... NOT AS FETISH. But because I needed to fulfill the desire to be a woman, and cross-dressing was all I had left. I dressed up, and sat home.. Alone. Dreaming of what it would feel like to have been born in the RIGHT body.

To make a long story short, I eventually found an LGBT Center in NYC that was willing to treat me (despite of my disease.) Today makes 5 months and a day that I started my HRT, and I am finally on the right path.

My point is, that statements like the one you made can really confuse, and hurt someone. I'm sure there are people on HA who are in a similar situation as I was in. They are not "just a lying sack of shit or a complete pussy for not going through with it." In fact, that statement is ignorant, and untrue for MANY people.

I find the way people treat those in early transition to be disgusting. we all started somewhere and it's called a transition for a reason, there's just not a before and an after, but the whole journey is the in-between.

But just to play on words, we all start out as "crossdressers" so to speak.

I'm no different in the person I am between then and now, except that I have more confidence in who I am, but that's it. Think about that for a second.....

Even the girls who claim they were always "Trans" had to start off somewhere... Yet they're usually the ones to judge CD or girls early in their transition.

- Kay

[KittyPride]

You are so right kayden
Transition is a privilege....

Hormones are not candy
You can get really sick from the side effect

Being trans is who you are not what you do

[daman232323]

Bella, I'm curious what you think of gg's who are bodybuilders, and the men that are attracted to them? They clearly have masculine features, so does that make those men gay in your mind? Not trying to start anything (because we all know no one wins a debate with you ) just curious to find out what your opinion is.