More George Bush Non-sense

[TeeLover]

Well I finally got around to seeing F911. Interesting collection of snipets. Most of what was presented about his business ties and involvements can be found thru simple research as well as things that were not in the movie. I didn't see any mention of Salem bin Laded's fatal Texas plane crash. I do appreciate the pain of families of the soldiers killed in action but I feel Moore was trying a little too hard on the public tears soapbox with it.

I agree with Mega that anyone who gets that Bush had something to do with the 9-11-01 events missed something along the way. To me Bush looked more like a man who grossly underestimated the end results of a threat he was aware of and expected to be carried out. Almost as if he was thinking,"Crap - I thought he would just blow up a plane or two."

I also think that Moore should've gone a little further in depth about the election: Florida's recount law, Gore's legal right to request a hand-count in a few counties, Bush landing a suit in Fed Court to stop that, etc.. However, I didn't know about the eggings of the Bush motorcade in DC.

I can see why Bush's administration would be a little worried about the movie - it does seem to be able to influence people looking for a reason to NOT like Bush.

I'm just glad that I thought he was a self-serving nitwit before the movie came out.

Seanchai - still taking stubs for the LadyBoys?



I love free speech.
-- Dubya's comment upon being challenged by an Australian Senator during his speech at a joint session of the Australian parliament, and as the Senator was being asked to leave the premises. In case you're wondering, the White House condenses the content of the senator's free speech to two words: "audience interruption". Canberra, Australia, Oct. 23, 2003

[TeeLover]

http://www.redcoat.net/pics/Bush2.jpg

Says it all...

[Realgirls4me]

I always find it amusing on how right-wing clowns such as "ItsjustBill" conveniently place the onus of being open-minded to those of us on the left of the political spectrum, but rarely does it come back and apply to them.

It's interesting how realgirls can comment on open-mindedness when he's the one criticizing people who listen to O'Reilly or Limbaugh and calls them extremists. I'm sure there are no truthful viewpoints expressed by those talk hosts. Meanwhile, I'm sure he listens to NPR or Franken and has no problem reading the liberal print media and believing everything that's printed. To the rest of you, yes I'm momentarily sinking to his level in the hope that he'll recognize the hypocrasy of his comments.

I also notice that he conveniently passed over the comments about American lives and foreign national lives lost in the attacks on our soil, as well as American and Iraqi lives lost at the hands of Iraqi terrorists. I guess the kidnap victims who face beheading are of no concern to him either. None of them fit into his rant.

ItsjustBill

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Bill. I just lo-o-o-o-ovelistening to the onesided drivel of "talk" (hate) radio where "truth" is always king amidst the sounds of rustling paper as a backdrop. The truth might get bent, tweaked, cherrypicked, embellished, and massaged everyday by its hosts to echo their biases and Conservative ideology, but so what, right ? Why listen to NPR's boring civil, rational, informative, and intelligent discourse presenting all sides when we can have Limbaugh, Hannity, and other right-wing idealogues such as Bill O'Reilly, providing all the answers to one narrow myopic view such as how Liberals and Democrats are the bane of all that is wrong with this country. If these guys really are the truth merchants you implied they are, and not money grubbing divisive frauds preying on a listener's untethered and impressionable ire and fears, answer the following for me, Bill:

* Why do they screen their calls so much only taking calls that agree with them ? It seems to me they might be shorting their audience presenting only one side there, Bill.

* Why are they rarely -- RARELY -- ever quoted as credible sources by other news mediums ?

* Why do they rarely make any appearances outside of Conservative functions ? What are they afraid of ? It seems to me that if one can dish it out ...

* Why do they overlook or dismiss a Conservative's gaffe ? I don't think one of them covered the recent Ryan saga ( The Republican running for the Senate whose wife accused him of forcing her to do some public nudity[?] or sex acts[?] )

Also, Franken will challenge his detractors on the air and in person. The above aforementioned only in the safe confines of their studios, where they control all the strings and frequently cut opposing views off while they keep talking.

As far as your second point goes, I'm concerned about anyone and everyone dying in this illegal and unnecessary attack of a sovereign country, which had NOTHING to do with 9/11. My prior posts will confirm that. The reason I bring up others dying is that close-minded, noncritically thinking morons such as you can only process what they hear and see courtesy of Fox News, or your favorite radio charlatan. That is, what you want to see. Anything different and you start to implode like Robby the Robot did in the sci-fi classic, Forbidden Planet in his final scene. You see the Twin Towers tragically go down on "our soil" taking 3000 innocent lives with them, or read about an American being captured or beheaded, but have nowhere near the depth, compassion, resourcefulness, education, or intelligence to process the tens of thousands of citizens who have suffered or died via our country's hands through illegal wars such as the current one, or oppresive U.S. policies that continue to treat that part of the world -- their soil -- like our back yard due to our vital interests (readil). There are reasons and precedents for their hatred of this country, and it's not because they hate or envy are freedom or liberty as clowns such as dipshit Dubya or Rush would have you believe.

I noticed you dodged my questions, Bill. You didn't answer one. If you're going to point a judgemental finger at me, why don't you prove to everyone in here just how tolerant and open-minded you are of the other side ? I'm not afraid to admit right now that I admire and respect Conservatives such as the late Barry Goldwater, or Senator Chuck Hegel, columnist Cal Thomas or CNN's Tucker Carlson to name a few. I obviously don't echo their political phylosophies and rarely have agreed with them on an issue or topic given my liberal listing, but I respect them nevertheless for a myriad of reasons.
Now it's simply your turn, Bill. Show everyone in here just how tolerant, accepting, and open-minded you are of the other side. Tell us about some Democratic/Liberal phylosophy you agree with, or a Democrat/Liberal politician you respect. Come on. Show us your tolerance and open-mind, Bill. Show us who the real hypocrite is.

( I predict he can't do this, guys. Unlike Conservative Chet-X, people such as Bill live in a black and white world devoid of anything that doesn't fit his us versus themmodel. It's simply easier to make sense of a complicated world that way )

[Realgirls4me]

This has floated around in cyberspace for some time, but I thought I'd repost it in here for ItsjustBill to see.

Things you have to believe to be a Republican today:

Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital for a spirit of international harmony.

The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi- national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

Jesus loves you and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

A president lying about an extramarital affair is a impeachable offense.A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution,which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's driving record is none of our business.

Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host (Limbaugh). Then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.

You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have the right to adopt.

What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.

[Chet_X]

Real, you gotta admit it is hilarious to watch O'Reilly's head explode when it comes to gay=releated issues. . And Alan Colmes...who has a more difficult job than he, trying to make sense of the chaos created by the smarmy Hannity? Though Hannity did raise a lot of money for families of fallen soldiers, so I guess he's not a total prick.

I quit listening to NPR after being Terri Grossed out (is she still the Fresh Air host?). Surfing the Himalayas my ass. The tone of that station is too serene and brain-washy to keep me alert in traffic. Or did they liven the broadcast up a bit after canning Edwards just shy of his on-the-air milestone anniversary? Classy move. If it's okay for NPR to rid themselves of Edwards, why is it not ok for the US to destroy monsters it created?

[twowaybro]

This says it all....the whole American poltical establisment needs an overhaul. This is a one party system and has been so 4 quite some time now. Other than a few superficial social issues these guys pretty much support the same WASP, Elitest, corporate, globalist agenda at the expense of the ordinary American citizen. Plus everyone in the know is aware that "Dubya" is bi-sexual and has had a ongoing relationship with the former mayor of Knoxville, TN since his college days. Can u say hypocrite....naw just an exploiter of this current "conservative" mood swing in contemporary America. I'll be siiting this one out, thank you.

[Realgirls4me]

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... Still waiting for ItsjustBill to demonstrate how open-minded he is to other politicians, entertainers, pundits, views, and positions, from the other side of the aisle. Come on, Bill. Tell us about your admiration for, say, Mark Green, Paul Begala, Barbara Lee, Noam Chomsky, Tim Robbins, or Gore Vidal.

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Chet,

O'Reilly is a egotistical fraud and a clown -- A CLOWN. I watch his show as often as I can for comic relief. I don't know which I laugh hardest at: Everytime he calls himself a journalist, or when he tells his audience he's an independent free from partisanship and prejudices. Although I have to give he and Fox News president(?) Roger Ailes credit when credit is due for successfully transplanting talk radio to TV and making it work. You gotta give this BS Republican spinster and apologist his props for making his chicanery work. "No-Spin Zone" ??? Try pure spin zone.
... Can you imagine Murrow or Cronkite hawking merchandise at the end of their news programs, talking about how they "slaughtered the competition", telling their audiences that certain people are hiding from him (He offers no proof, just his word) because they're afraid to face him, or rudely cutting their guests or interviewees off when they turn O'Reilly's emotional rants on their ear with reason or logic ?

www.oreillysucks.com

I never understood the NPR Edwards canning, as did millions of loyal listeners. As far as the US destroying the monsters it created, my question is why does it allow them to flourish to begin with ? I realize the answer isn't that easy, but how can the Bush Administration, or any administration for that matter, look at the American public and deny its complicity ? I would be far more tolerant of many of these foreign blunders if they just came right out and admitted they fucked up, instead of reducing it to some good versus evil model it sells to the American public.
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Twowaybro,

I like Vidal's quip about this country having one party with two wings. It's really true. Sure, they differ on salient social issues, but on the meat and potatoe issues such as promoting the sending of jobs overseas, or providing health care for EVERY American, both parties offer basic lip service. republicans are there basically for the wealthy, and when was the last time one heard a Democrat talk about restoring funding to HUD (Which Reagan drastically cut), so we can get the homeless off the streets ?

... I'm voting for Ralph. Why ? Well, because he stands for the ideas I believe in. Why should I vote for one party simply to keep another party out of the White House, both of which are part of a corrupted system ? It's my way of protesting this two wing/one party system. I'm tired of this lesser of two evils crap.

[Chet_X]

Kerry would be well served to muzzle that Zsa Zsa Gabor wife of his...she looked like a total douche, denying that she dropped the un-American bomb, then going out of her way to tell reporter C McNik to shove it. If she is smart, she'll apologize. Also, JK should learn to hurl a fucking baseball like a man, instead of some polo-playing blue blood, if he's going to throw out a first pitch. GHW Bush threw like a girl, too--strange, when the record shows he started at 1B on a college world series team.

I saw Ralph the last night--might have been on O'Rielly ( I love it when Sweet Ole Bill reminds us that he is 6'4" and ready to kick ass). Seems like the only candidate with a plan. Until we get more than two choices we are screwed, as Vicki and two-way bro point out.

Why is it AMerica embraces rematches in sports but not politics? Gore shoulda got another shot. The man can throw a football. plus he can speak--I love listening to the Prince of Tennessee's voice so much I might buy Earth in the Balance, or whatever his book was, on Books on Tape, to hear his bed-time story tones whenever I need nerve-unjangling.

By 2010, Hillary will be President and Bill will head the U.N. By 2020, the Islamic populations of France and Germany will be calling the shots.

[ItsJustBill]

Joe Lieberman is someone i respect.......has a lot of great ideas
Jimmy Carter did a shitty job as President but he is a phenominal human being.
Dick Gephhardt has done a great job in the House.
Barbara Boxer, Joe Biden, Robert Byrd........great senators.
The late Huphert H. Humphrey - a great man.

I like listening to Mike Barnicle, Paul Begala.......

I read the Boston Globe every day.

Note: These are examples......not a comprehensive list.

[Realgirls4me]

My sincere apologies to you, Bill. I stand corrected. I jumped the gun in attempting to pigeonhole you into a one-sided Conservative nut. Keep on listening and reading what the other side has to say.

Chet,

The only thing taller than O'Reilly's height is his ego. He's got Micheal Moore -- a favorite target of his show of late -- on his show tonight, and I'm naturaly curious as to whether ol' Bill will resort to his tactic of taping the encounter in advance so he can edit the parts where he left with egg on his face. He does this with guests who have exposed him in the past ... I'll never forget the encounter he once had with Barney Frank a couple of years ago. Frank pasted his ass for the world to see, and thus, Frank has not been on his show since.

* Kerry muzzle his wife ? Nonsense. It's a bit refreshing to see a candidate's significant other dispense of decorum and speak her mind, particularly toward a Conservative reporter (paper) that hasn't been to kind to either in the past.

* I would just to see Gore and Dubya square off in a debate. We all know now what a pig in the poke ol' Dubya has turned out to be on the intelligence arena.

* What a lot of Americans don't understand is that countries such as France have a heavy Muslim population, thereby giving them good reason -- one VERY good reason -- for not participating in preemptive gaffes such as Dubya's. Imagine if the US had that percentage of mideast Muslim immigrants existing here ?