More George Bush Non-sense

[AllanahStarrNYC]

I have to thank whom ever posted the wonderful site
www.dubyaspeak.com
If you read some of George Bush most notable quotes on there, you have to realize what an ignorant idiot he really is!

I urge everyone to check it out ASAP!

Here is one of my favorites:

(This is an exchange between G.W. and Welch singer Charlotte Church back in 2001, as reported on MSNBC)

Bush: "So what state is Wales in?"
Church: "It's a seperate country next to England."
Bush: "Oh, OK".

And then we wonder the country is a mess.

Allanah

[Realgirls4me]

Allanah,

Why would you knock our president ? We're definitely a gooder country in the eyes of the world with dipshit in charge.

Oh, and you're welcomed. It was I who posted the link.

[TeeLover]

Sadly, it's not what they say but how they play. Case in point: Yucca Mountain. What a line of crap we (NV) got from his campaign trail on THAT one.

But I'm sure he has good plans for the transgendered community in the future. After all he has admitted to being a part of it himself:

"I want to thank my friend, Senator Bill Frist, for joining us today. You're doing a heck of a job. You cut your teeth here, right? That's where you started practicing? That's good. He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me."
-- Dubya the gender bender in an appearance at Vanderbilt University, Nashville, Tennessee, May 27, 2004

[tsluver247]

My favorite site:
http://www.google.com
Type in Weapons of Mass Destruction
Click "I'm Feeling Lucky" instead of "Google Search"
You get a web site that looks like a error web page (Read it).

http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
is the real site

[tsluver247]

http://www.factcheck.org
is another good site for deciphering the truth in Bush or Kerry's Ads.

[Vicki Richter]

I like how this board is becoming so political... or not. I mean politics are like religion. If I come in here berating other people's religions, I would expect to get an earful. I mean no offense, but who fucking cares. I mean we are throwing out ignorant quotes by someone who regardless of ignorance still managed to become the "leader of the free world." We are being told this by someone who may be more intelligent but instead aspired to be a transsexual prostitute, model, pornstar. I am not claiming to be any better than you Allanah, but please lets be realistic about what he managed to do with his life despite having an apparent past of cocaine use and lacking the skills necessary to be a jeaopardy champ. Ma and pa Kettle might not like Kerry, but again I, like anyone else, should consider the source and move on. Anyway, now I will provide my equally useless viewpoint to this discussion.

I'm not a George Bush fan, but I am even less a fan of politics, political rhetoric, and propoganda in a board where it is totally out of place. I could give a fuck about gay marriage or any person's perceptions about why the USA and England invaded Iraq. For someone soooooooooo far outside of the government to be following mainstream media and thinking they are getting the full story one way or the other, it's really almost laughable. Frankly I don't know why we invaded, but neither does anyone else on this board. If it IS for oil, maybe it was to preserve our long term way of life. I think you just had a party which, by name, should have been considered equally as tasteless as "terrorists and victims", "Nazi's and Jews", or "inquisitors and heretics". OUR country killed hundreds of thousands of Indian men, women, and children and displaced the rest and now we play dress up games with it as a theme. I don't like paying with thousands of lives (and $80 billion dollars) any more than anyone, but coming in here like you know the man and what his motivations are is just silly and inferencial. It could be that 30 years from now or if/when our country is 100% out of oil and we are still able to drive around (maintaining our standard of life) because we have a rapport with a few generations of Iraqi puppet government, that this will be hearalded as a huge win for the free world economy of the future. Again, I don't know or pretend to know, I am just throwing a different spin on it.

Democrats tend to have some really good liberal viewpoints, many that I agree with, but they take it to the extreme. People in our society have this problem with pushing accountability on to others (entitlement) and that is predominantly a Democratic trait. "What can my society give me for free". Republicans are definitely about money and over-zealous religious values that would/could seriously impact my lifestyle if left unchecked. However, I don't think I would really enjoy living in a society where everyone feels that they are entitled either.

[TeeLover]

Dubya's intelligence is a testimony to the beauty of America. Doesn't anyone remember grade school when we were all told, "Yes - ANYONE can become President..."

He proves it.

Of course it also proves that "who you know" or are related to helps as well.

Politicians are like timeshare or used car salesmen. They tell you what you want to hear in order for them to sell the product.

[Realgirls4me]

Vicki,

You should care about politics. You, as an American tax paying citizen have a vested interest in our political system given the HUGE role it has in just about every aspect of your everyday life, from the air you breathe, the water you drink, or the roads you drive on, et all. It all comes down to politics be they local or on a federal level. How can you say you don't care ? If your local city council couldn't meet the city's payroll this month for some reason, and consequently, your trash was not picked up, would you then not care ? If the moron-in-charge announced plans to invade Cuba tomorrow against the wishes of what few trusted allies this country has left around the globe, would you care, or are you failing to grasp the repercussions of such an assinine move in the eyes of the world ? I can go on, but I think you get where I'm going.
As far as the dismissal of Allanah's views go, why are you so harsh on her ? She's entitled to an opinion, whether she's part of the beltway or not. Whatever you might think of the path Allanah has taken in her life, I'll bet the house that she didn't do it with the help of her wealthy politically connected father as Dubya did, who not only worked to assure him the govenorship of Texas, but along with those connections and a Republican friendly Supreme Court, worked the system to place him in the most powerful position on this planet. Yes, let's look at what Dubya, er, nepotism, can do for one with strong political connections. If you view Bush as someone who's turned his life around via the Conservative myth that all one has to do to overcome obstacles is pray to a god, bite the bullet, and simply pull oneself by their respective bootstraps, you need to get out and read, if not witness, a hell of a lot more. He's there because of his daddy's political operatives, and the machinations of the Supreme Court, not because of what he overcame. ...I respect Allanah far more -- FAR MORE -- than I do Dubya, and she is far more articulate, if not eloquent, than Bush would ever dream of being.

...So it's okay to install puppet regimes -- as we have been doing -- and kill and maim thousands of Iraqis and American service personel to preserve our way of life ? Why is it our oil, and why don't we work on alternatives to that oil for the coming generations ? And why is our way of life more important than any other member of any other country ? Did the installing of the Shah of Iran work out for us ? It wasn't overnight, but I seem to recall American hostages being taken and held hostage because of the Shah, who was installed close to 30 years prior. So you think turning the whole mideast, and most of the civilized world against us is actually good for us as Dubya has done ?

...Your view of Liberals and Conservatives leaves much to be desired. Too simplistic. I'm not going to touch that. I don't have the time.

[Vicki Richter]

I don't think I was harsh. I just hate seeing our President, whatever you want to call him, trashed all the time. Did I vote for him? No. Did I vote against him? No. Do I think it unpatriotic to hear the President slammed during wartime? Yeah probably. Don't worry, I cringe just as much when hearing people say shit like, "If Kerry wins, I will move to another country". Just because I don't agree with the pope saying I will probably go to hell for my lifestyle, I don't call him names and mock him. It's disresectful to my religion. Similarly, I may not agree with GW, but why use some TS lovers forum as a mechanism to spread political agendas? Everyone is free to do so, but...

Finally, whatever anyone might think, I believe the people in Iraq, by and large, are legitimately happy that we are there. If we can change their society so women are treated fairly... If we can change their society so that human beings aren't slaughtered senselessly and put in mass graves... If we can change their society so that genocide isn't initiated on a people because of their religious differences... If we can change a society where the government tortures and maimes people for failure... If we can change a society whose government gives all the oil money to the top .1% instead of helping it's people... If we can change a society without an inkling of what freedom truly is, then I think it was probably worth it. Maybe not today as people continue to die, but perhaps 10-20 or 30 years from now.

Unlike most of the slams on Bush, none of what I said above is in question. It's all fact, not media hype. It's documented not by a puppet government, but by people who have been persecuted for years. Regardless of our Presidents reasons for going there, the end state should be positive for millions. What is that worth for a 5 year old girl growing up there today?

Everyone here has free speach and I fully respect Allanah's or any other persons ability to utilize it. I have that same privelidge I think. I just have a tendency to be open minded and not fixate on one person as being the problem.

[Vicki Richter]

Vicki,

...So it's okay to install puppet regimes -- as we have been doing -- and kill and maim thousands of Iraqis and American service personel to preserve our way of life ? Why is it our oil, and why don't we work on alternatives to that oil for the coming generations ? And why is our way of life more important than any other member of any other country ? Did the installing of the Shah of Iran work out for us ? It wasn't overnight, but I seem to recall American hostages being taken and held hostage because of the Shah, who was installed close to 30 years prior. So you think turning the whole mideast, and most of the civilized world against us is actually good for us as Dubya has done ?

...Your view of Liberals and Conservatives leaves much to be desired. Too simplistic. I'm not going to touch that. I don't have the time.

1 - Yes.

2 - Because we just made it ours just like generations of Americans have done before. Just like taking this country from the English, the Mexicans, and the Indians. Is it right? No. But it's not like it hasn't been done before.

3 - You honestly don't think we just started the long term improvement of Iraqi way of life and you are calling me simplistic?

4 - I have no idea if it will work. But at least we gave them a chance.

My views are extremely simplistic and I never said the contrary, but please don't pretend that you or most of the people here are vastly superior. We make the majority of decisions about people based upon a small percentage of fact, and only what we are told. We get a radical making a movie (which even he admits isn't a documentary) and everyone who sees it suddenly thinks they are Einstein in terms of politics.

Anyway, I didn't come in here to argue really.