The term "transgendered". Please chime in

[GroobySteven]

So you're saying that your perpetuating of such dislikeable terms such as ladyboy or shemale (for pornographic convenience) is not relevant to this discussion of transgender terminology? I suggest it is. Such trite and lazy labelling is anathema to many and using the term "tranny" with all its negative connotations - at least in my country - is hardly helpful. But then, I don't single-handed support, develop, promote and peddle transsexual pornography, so cannot possibly be expected to have an opinion until i have done all that you have.

Yet you participate in a forum HungAngels which uses such 'dislikeable terms such as ladyboy or shemale' all through the site (it being a forum aimed at those who enjoy pornography, thus is contextually correct). The labeling is neither trite nor lazy, but perfect market descriptors in the worldwide use for the market of transsexual pornography. The issues if we started using 'transgender' for pornography, I've discussed in detail as being problematic as I'm sure you are aware.
You may have an opinion, but it's unlikely to hold as much weight as someone who has far more experience, has met with more trans men and trans women worldwide and discussed this, and as much as a small handful may disagree, has worked with in advocacy for trans men and trans women's rights.

Let me ask you a question, if you have such a problem with both the usage of the words 'shemale' and 'ladyboy' (and by proxy and your posts, with me personally). Why are you supporting this forum, which is set up purely to market that content and help my company remain profitable?

[trish]

In polite society, I would think the proper adjective is ‘transgender.’ Even though most transgender people have identified with a single gender for most or all of their lives, they nevertheless often transition. One might say of someone that they will transition, or are transitioning or have transitioned. One might even use the latter as a predicate adjective and say, “I’m transitioned.” I would guess ‘transgendered’ came into usage as a poor substitute for this form (or usage) of ‘transitioned’ which sounded right and caught on. You can probably find me in these forums using both ‘transgender’ and ‘transgendered.’

As far as ‘shemale’, ‘ladyboy’ and the rest goes in the context of pornography who cares? Part of the allure of pornography is the way it transgresses polite boundaries. That’s probably part of the definition of ‘pornography.’ Transgressing polite boundaries is sometimes part of the fun of sex. Sure you sometimes whisper sweet nothings into your sweetheart’s ear as you make love to her; but she may also get off at times being called a ‘slut’ or a ‘bimbo’ or a ‘whore‘. On the other hand, she may drop you like hot slug of near molten pig iron: people are weird like that.

[simes]

Yet you participate in a forum HungAngels which uses such 'dislikeable terms such as ladyboy or shemale' all through the site (it being a forum aimed at those who enjoy pornography, thus is contextually correct). The labeling is neither trite nor lazy, but perfect market descriptors in the worldwide use for the market of transsexual pornography. The issues if we started using 'transgender' for pornography, I've discussed in detail as being problematic as I'm sure you are aware.
You may have an opinion, but it's unlikely to hold as much weight as someone who has far more experience, has met with more trans men and trans women worldwide and discussed this, and as much as a small handful may disagree, has worked with in advocacy for trans men and trans women's rights.

Let me ask you a question, if you have such a problem with both the usage of the words 'shemale' and 'ladyboy' (and by proxy and your posts, with me personally). Why are you supporting this forum, which is set up purely to market that content and help my company remain profitable?

You're quite right - I do participate because in amongst all the go, bravado and public self aggrandisement there are some astute people with valid points expressed in an articulate and often thought provoking way. However I don't need to tell you you are right - you already know this. I enjoy reading the threads and browsing the forums. As a person I cannot comment on you - never having met you I am sure you are charming, witty and intensely charismatic.

[gaysian71]

Transgender is the proper term. Transgendered is not.

[CoolAwesomeBXDude]

i side with the term transgender over transgendered. transgendered like the person above me said is not the proper term and it doesnt even sound attractive

[fred41]

Ed, I'd go with 'transgender' because it seems grammatically correct. I can't say with certainty if occasionally I've used 'transgendered' instead because i'm sure , if I did, it wasn't deemed important.
I don't mind grammar nazis because sometimes that's the only way I know I fucked up....grammatically. So I never mind being corrected...grammatically.
But on an activist level...from what I know about you, both from this site and having met you...you put yourself out there in so many ways you shouldn't have to take shit from anyone for simple usage...
There are individuals IRL and on the internet who live for being butt hurt and complaining about it..whether real or for attention, because for some people, whining is their only claim to fame.

...all that apart though, I'd still switch to the word 'transgender' because it's grammatically correct and we should respect the english language and not seem ignorant...


(btw...Ed seems like one of the nicest guys I've ever met. If he was a serial killer you'd never know it. [wellllllllll....within reason. I suspect everyone])

[zerrrr]

Unfortunately, we do not live in a polite society. We live in a society where knowledge is gleaned from six second videos, false flag memes, and fighting on the Internet.

As the Internet has evolved it has not brought us closer together. Rather, it has driven us farther apart and made us less intolerant.

[fred41]

Unfortunately, we do not live in a polite society. We live in a society where knowledge is gleaned from six second videos, false flag memes, and fighting on the Internet.

As the Internet has evolved it has not brought us closer together. Rather, it has driven us farther apart and made us less intolerant.

We live in an era of popular soundbites.
When folks don't do due diligence on their own...maybe just following the herd, speak up.
If you see something that you disagree with or know is blatantly false, even if posted by respected family or friends,on Facebook or Twitter, etc....say something.

...and while doing that...ALWAYS support free speech.
Thank you.




BTW...a true grammar nazi would mention that what you meant to say in your last sentence was either:...made us more intolerant. or....made us less tolerant.

[hippifried]

Regardless of the prefix, gender is not a verb.

[zerrrr]

We live in an era of popular soundbites.
When folks don't do due diligence on their own...maybe just following the herd, speak up.
If you see something that you disagree with or know is blatantly false, even if posted by respected family or friends,on Facebook or Twitter, etc....say something.

...and while doing that...ALWAYS support free speech.
Thank you.




BTW...a true grammar nazi would mention that what you meant to say in your last sentence was either:...made us more intolerant. or....made us less tolerant.

Yeah, it is supposed to be less tolerant.

I just ignore them. My area is full of ignorant fools and it is better to watch them continually make asses out of themselves than bother talking to them.