Je suis Bruxelles.

[nitron]

Islam not just a religion , also an ideology.......

[Stavros]

Nitron, I am disappointed that you fell for this drivel, in which 'Sargon of Akkad' reads out a letter from someone in Pakistan whose language and arguments are little more than the same ones 'Sargon of Akkad' uses in his other videos. It even begins with the nonsense that 'the basis of discrimination in the western world has largely been based on race' as if class had not been more important in Britain, France, Germany and elsewhere, not least when race as a concept was not fully articulated until the 19th century. The remark later that Islamic studies in universities in the west is so dominated by Muslims as to make Islamic studies departments little more than Madrasas, is risible and contradicted by his own claim in the same passage that Islamic studies is seen in the west as a theological issue that compares Islam wih Christianity and other faiths doesn't sound like a madrasa to me. I am not sure if you believe this stuff, but the reality is that Islam developed in the same way that Christianity and Judaism developed, out of a founding moment, a text, and so on, and that many of the 'problems' associated with religion, of which is use as a political ideology is the most dangerous apply to almost every religion I can think with the possible exception of Jainism. 'Sargon of Akkad' offers no evidence or explanation for the domineering and violent manner that Christianity was imposed on all of the indignous peoples of America from Hudson's Bay to Tierra del Fuego, let alone the massacres of the Cathars in southern France by militants of the Roman Catholic Church. The attempt to make Islam an exception to other faiths is feeble, and for someone motivated by 'objective truth', as he claims in his founding video, he has no attachment to either objectivity or truth.

As for Marxism, the comments 'Sargon of Akkad' make are breathtaking in their ignorance, for just as Muslims do leave their faith, but just don't make a song and dance about it, so in the USSR and China Marxists were murdered for denying the authority of 'the Party' -the denial of Marxism-Leninism and Maoism-, and murdered in their millions. Political ideologies develop for all sorts of reasons, and when they use violence to make their point their attract followers, they attract just as vicious opponents, yet surely anyone with an argument who can only express it through violence has in effect shown that they have lost it. This assumption that violence is power in its purest sense makes the fatal mistake of not seeing how power always works best as a relationship, and that forcing submission at the point of a gun is a weak form of power because it does not last and is more destructive than creative. Young men who are recruited to a cause that involves bullets, bombs and knives have nowhere to go once the killing is done, and that is literally dead-end politics and the reason why most people and most states have rejected it.

[nitron]

Hey, do you agree , Islam poses a threat to our community? (just like Christianity did, or any ideology in the past?).

[nitron]

Dear Trish:

(I hope your right)."There are no upper limits on gullibility. "

Do you agree , Islam poses a threat to our community?

[trish]

Dear Trish:

(I hope your right)."There are no upper limits on gullibility. "

Do you agree , Islam poses a threat to our community?

Was it a Muslim who posted in another thread, “People like you are traitors of western civilization, traitors of the free world, you need to be held accountable.” I’m not sure what “held accountable” means in this context, but one could take it as a vague threat.
But to answer your question,

Hey, do you agree , Islam poses a threat to our community? (just like Christianity did, or any ideology in the past?).

No. Of course not. Ideas can be intriguing or interesting, but I never found an idea (religious, satanic, philosophical, scientific, political, ideological etc.) to be threatening. From our previous exchanges I’m assuming what you mean by community is the LGBT-community. What our community is threatened by is hatred, jealously, bigotry and prejudice. Not Islam. Not Christianity. (Although I do wish the O’Reilly sect wouldn’t be so quick to anger when wished “Happy Holidays” - but that’s just a very small sect, it’s not all Christians by any means.)

Sometimes a passage in a holy text can be used to rationalize someone’s irrational hatred. Leviticus comes to mind. But there are lunatics who also twist the words of Charles Darwin, Adam Smith and others to the aid of their prejudices. And sometimes there are bigots who rally behind their common hatreds and prejudices and call it religion. But the hatred men have of our community is a visceral one, not a intellectual attitude born of religion or philosophy. They do not hate because a religious law tells them to hate. They hate all on their own, because their minds are small and they can think of no way to relate to a person whose sexuality is different than theirs.

I’m always reminded of the Tennessee man who was murdered outside a highway rest stop. He was holding his wife’s purse while she relieved herself inside and he was guiding a blind man -arm in arm- to the building entrance. The perpetrator took them to be a gay couple. It wasn’t a religious killing, even though the perp was Christian. The perp was just disgusted by the very notion of men having sex with one another.

I’m surprised a Satanist is unaware of these things.

[Stavros]

Hey, do you agree , Islam poses a threat to our community? (just like Christianity did, or any ideology in the past?).

No, for the reasons contained in Trish's eloquent post. And religions are not ideologies, though when treated as such they tend to lose contact with whatever it is that gives them theological grace by stripping away that part which attends to the needs of the soul rather than an earthly and often crude political objective. Just as socialism that seeks social and economic justice, loses its sense of equality and fairness when advocating violent revolution as positive change. How can anyone claim to 'fight for freedom' if it involves killing another human that by definition deprives that person of their freedom to live?

[nitron]

Freedom to live, freedom how to live.
Calamities come from all directions.

, history is the arbiter. We shall see.

[trish]

Anger's energy is quickly spent.
Love vanquishes time.

[hippifried]

Anger's energy is quickly spent.
Love vanquishes time.

So does smashing the alarm clock.

But as a retired hippy, I get the love thing, irrespective of how smart my ass is. So Watersibling Trish, I'm ready to join your cult. How may I serve thee?