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    Default Re: For the Brits: When will BREXIT referendum happen ?

    Quote Originally Posted by sexyasianescorts View Post
    Vote to leave Do not give into fear!

    Chloe x
    Not being from the UK, I can only ask that you vote leave with all your heart.

    Be brave and take the leap

    PS : for those who fail to see it, above is sarcastic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by flabbybody View Post
    The pension article was in a tweet from someone who would quote Donald Duck if it advanced the Exit viewpoint. I had no idea the source was that dubious.
    One thing I remember about British newspapers when I lived in London was the daily pic of a random bare breasted woman. This was back in the early nineties so I guess political correctness would have done away with that journalistic tradition.
    The Sun's Page 3 lasted from 1970 until last year and is one of those topics where you either 'chill out' or campaign against. Britain's official moron, a chat show host called Jonathan Ross once taunted (ex-) Labour MP Clare Short about it when she said on his show -I think in the 1990s- it should be scrapped. On at least one occasion they printed a photo of a 16 year old which would be illegal in the USA, but is par for the course as far as Rupert Murdoch's is concerned. You can read about it here if you want to -
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_3



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    There are two dates, depends what you vote for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flabbybody View Post
    Cameron's on Twitter bragging about some "deal" he inked today that will keep England in the EU. He's promising so many wonderful things for you guys it's as if the PM has taken a page from Mr Trump.
    It's actually Boris Johnson who has a thing with Donald T
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    Default Re: For the Brits: When will BREXIT referendum happen ?

    I'll paraphrase what JP Morgan CEO said to his London employees:
    'BREXIT will force the bank to reduce head count in our London business units...But don't let my message influence your vote'
    Thanks Jamie.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...vent-of-brexit


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    The Financial Times poll tracker gives the Leave the EU vote a 2% lead over Stay (47% Leave, 45% Remain) and the odds from the bookies also appear to have narrowed. This closing of the gap causing panic in the Remain camp is not dissimilar to the poll that was released prior to the referendum in Scotland in 2014 which gave independence a narrow lead, so it is not clear how far these polls are reflecting the 'deep' vote or the 'superficial' headline vote. In some polls the result is arrived after eliminating the 'Don't Knows' so I expect this group and the overall turn-out to be crucial.

    Meanwhile as The Sun backs an Exit from the UK, we are given the prospect of 'Taking the County Back' from Brussels, only to hand decision making to Rupert Murdoch, a proprietor of newspapers who knowingly broke the law and who is a free market liberal who hates trading blocs and the EU in particular, as is well documented-
    Many years ago, journalist Antony Hilton asked Mr Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union.
    He replied: "That's easy. When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice."

    FT Poll tracker is here-
    https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polli...nce_sem/auddev

    Latest odds are here-
    http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/...bership-result

    Quote from Murdoch is here-
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7080881.html



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    Default Re: For the Brits: When will BREXIT referendum happen ?

    Why you should vote Remain



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    While being amused, I think my first thought was surprise that a boy of that age would be allowed to swear in public, even if it is a song. The Oliver show segment this closes is also on YouTube and quite good, particularly the exposure of the EU regulation mania which in the case of Pillows seems to be fluffed up quite a lot...the Brexit campaign has always been stronger on fantasy than reality.


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    Yea I was a little shocked seeing a youngster singing such naughty lyrics...shock and awe have always been Oliver's shtick.
    But he makes a great point. You can hold Europe in utter contempt and simultaneously support Remain. Haven't the French started every war in history and needed to be bailed out each time?
    Making fun of Europe is a great Anglo-American tradition. Not to be confused with BREXIT being a major blunder.



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    A harsh judgement on France, who did not issue an ultimatum to Serbia in 1914, and did not invade Poland in 1939...and while there may be an irony in the border officials of the UK being based in Calais these days, I don't think there is any support for 'returning' either Normandy or Aquitaine to the English crown, even if some workers in London and the south-east commute from Normandy every day, more the benefits of contemporary travel than politics.

    The interesting poll reported in today's Telegraph has reversed the situation we were in last week, where Leave edged ahead, this poll puts Remain 7% ahead -53% Remain, 46% Leave. The bookies now have Remain at odds on and Leave slipping away to 11/4 against. There is a lot of debate about the polls and whether or not they are telephone polls, face-to-face, or even asking the right people, as Leave voters are shown to be less likely to change their vote. This suggests the turn-out will be as crucial as the 'Don't Knows' do not usually make up their mind until the last few days before the election. As former Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson put it, A week is a long time in politics.

    There was always the possibility that an unforeseen event, or a major gaffe by a leading campaigner could flip the vote, much as in the US election an indictment of Mrs Clinton, or more likely, Trump veering away from a prepared script to say what he thinks could damage their image with the voters, as to some extent has already happened with Trump's initial reaction to the murders in Orlando.

    The murder of Labour MP Jo Cox may be one factor in the reversal of Leave's fortunes, as her killer comes across as an English Breivik, giving his name in court as 'Death to traitors, freedom for Britain'. The Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties have said they will not challenge Labour when the MP's constituency votes for her replacement -but a neo-Nazi has said he will contest the election on behalf of a party he calls Liberty GB, although he has yet to sign up any supporters to get himself onto the ballot paper. But he does represent that part of the Leave campaign that people don't want to talk about as they are even more extreme than Nigel Farage and the United Kingdom Independence Party.

    These apparently tenuous connections may in fact reflect a growing unease with the way that Farage has muscled in on a tepid campaign by leading Conservatives Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and Chris Grayling. The earlier emphasis the Conservatives (and some Labour Leave campaigners) made on trade, finances, sovereignty and politics has been taken over in the last 10 days by immigration, but I think this is a toxic issue in British politics and that it loses more votes than it gains. Leave are also divided as Johnson said at the weekend he supported the idea of an amnesty for illegal immigrants which is not what Farage and the nationalists want to hear. I suspect that as in the US, the key issue in the EU Referendum is the economy, jobs and pensions, and the fear that Leaving the EU is too much of a gamble is swinging the vote back to Remain.

    However, the evidence we do have is that this is still going to be a closely fought campaign, and that the margin of victory will struggle to get into double figures, but right now on a turn-out of 70-80% I give Remain the edge over Leave.

    Two days to go.


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