For the Brits: When will BREXIT referendum happen ?

[Stavros]

OK ,I know I'm about to demonstrate my hopeless American ignorance of British politics but I was watching the news the other night on PBS and with a "hard exit" looming just weeks away and with the forecasts of the expected economic downturn resulting from a hard exit on top of the economic devastation already resulting from Covid-19 why don't you just call the whole thing off? They showed the results of a recent poll that indicated that 57% of Brits wanted to remain in the EU .
Can't someone just give me a short answer.
"You're a stupid arse", doesn't count.

Article 50 of the Lisbon Tteaty allows any member of the EU to cancel its membership. But it involves a two stage process: an agreement on the terms of withdrawal, and on that basis a trade agreement to organise the independent state’s new relationship with the EU. What the UK was promised would be an easy deal has turned into a sequence of tortuous negotiations on the withdrawal agreement, finalised in January, and now the trade agreement.

A ‘hard Brexit’ is an exit from the EU without a trade agreement, or ‘no deal’, and means the UK having to trade on WTO terms alone, and mostly on hard goods as the WTO has failed to produce a consensus on services. To the Brexit fanatics, a hard exit was always their preferred option, calling it a ‘clean break’, and have accused Johnson of turning compromise into surrender even though right now there are still unresolved issues which mean the UK could leave without a deal. But if there is a deal it must involve compromises on Northern Ireland, fishing rights, and the level of State Aid the two stages engage in. Because international agreements almost always require a compromise. In theory a final decision must be made this week, in practice the EU might extend the talks.

Johnson is going to Brussels for a face to face meeting with Ursula von der Layen tomorrow (Wednesday) but it is hard to know what will come of it, though one sarcastic wag in the Telegraph said Johnson will return with two documents- a surrender, and a marriage certificate....

[Stavros]

Apologies for spelling mistake I have only just noticed-
Ursula von der Leyen.

[Stavros]

Both UK and EU officials are warning us that there might not be any agreement on trade, and that if this is so, the UK will leave without a deal on December 31st.

Someone who claims inside knowledge of the dinner Johnson had with Ursula von der Leyen las Wednesday, has claimed Johnson attempted to win over Ms Leyen by attacking Michel Barnier and the French, which Ms Leyen did not find amusing, and when she asked him if he had brought any new proposals on trade he said no. Most of the dinner after that seems to have been held in a mixture of silence and unremarkable conversation, the source claiming Johnson did not seem to realize how offensive he had been.

The account is in this twitter feed-
https://twitter.com/PaulBurston/stat...13829978509312

Broris Johnson said today leaving the EU without a deal would be a wonderful thing, yet in 2016 he wrote, in an article for the Telegraph- (the original is hidden behind a paywall)

"Boris Johnson has said the UK there will be “still have access to the single market”, despite Britain’s historic vote to leave the EU.
In his column for The Telegraph, Mr Johnson said: “I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be.
“EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.
“British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.
“Britain is and always will be a great European power, offering top-table opinions and giving leadership on everything from foreign policy to defence to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing – all the things we need to do together to make our world safer.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7104846.html



Boris Johnson -a liar, an idiot, or both? I am not sure if he even cares what happens in January.

[holzz]

A no-deal may have bad effectgs in the short-term, but it's worth it.
Time to end this brexit mess and once and for all we're done.
Maybe we'll rejoin in a few decades - maybe in 2040 a very old Putin will invade the EU and we'll need each for help and out of gratitude they'll let us back in.

[Stavros]

A no-deal may have bad effectgs in the short-term, but it's worth it.

Perhaps you could tell is how a no deal will be worth it in the long term, having also told us how long the 'short-term' will be. Five years? Ten Years? I suggest you address your remarks with regard to - farming, fishing, passporting in the banking and financial sector, fair trade, and UK-Eu co-operation in policing, security and intelligence. It will make for interestig reading.

[Nikka]

Euro girls will have to move away from the UK? (serious question)

[Stavros]

Citizens of EU countries, or EEA countries, or Switzerland need to apply to the EU Settlement Scheme, this can be done online.

From the UK Government website-

Apply to the EU Settlement Scheme by 30 June 2021 to continue living in the UK - you must have arrived in the UK before January 2021
If you do not apply to the scheme, you may not be able to continue living or working in the UK as you do now.

You do not need to apply if you have: indefinite leave to enter the UK, indefinite leave to remain in the UK, British or Irish citizenship (including ‘dual citizenship’).
Read the guidance:
Apply to the EU Settlement Scheme (settled and pre-settled status)

https://www.gov.uk/transition-check/...nationality-eu

If you’re an EU, EEA or Swiss citizen, you and your family can apply to the EU Settlement Scheme to continue living in the UK after 30 June 2021. You can also apply if you’re the family member of an eligible person of Northern Ireland.
If your application is successful, you’ll get either settled or pre-settled status.
The EEA includes the EU countries and also Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway.

You may be able to stay in the UK without applying - for example, if you’re an Irish citizen or already have indefinite leave to remain.
https://www.gov.uk/settled-status-eu-citizens-families

[Nikka]

Thanks, looks Easy

[holzz]

Perhaps you could tell is how a no deal will be worth it in the long term, having also told us how long the 'short-term' will be. Five years? Ten Years? I suggest you address your remarks with regard to - farming, fishing, passporting in the banking and financial sector, fair trade, and UK-Eu co-operation in policing, security and intelligence. It will make for interestig reading.

we've spent years in this limbo.
Who says a no deal would be bad in the long-term? Who even says the short-term effects would be as bad as made out?
I want it to stop, period.

[filghy2]

we've spent years in this limbo.
Who says a no deal would be bad in the long-term? Who even says the short-term effects would be as bad as made out?
I want it to stop, period.

"The long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead. Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task if in tempestuous seasons they can only tell us that when the storm is past the ocean will be flat again."

John Maynard Keynes