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    Default Re: For the Brits: When will BREXIT referendum happen ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jericho View Post
    Either way, we'll stay in Europe....Fucking Hallelujah!
    I'm afraid this is the horrible truth, no end to the red tape, endless bureaucracy & utter fucking chaos facing industry throughout this already fucked up country!
    After 193 years of railway operations in the UK, our friends in Brussels have decided we should all be issued with a train driving licence & have threatened to withdraw it from any driver involved in a minor incident! All incidents to be handled by Brussels instead of our own Rail & Safety Standards Board. Welcome to the real world Mr Hallelujah!



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    Default Re: For the Brits: When will BREXIT referendum happen ?

    Threatened eh? as in not actually happened.
    Meanwhile, where do they stand on having a guard on the train?


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    "The Train Driving Licences and Certificates Regulations 2010 (TDLCR) set out the legal requirements of the licensing and certification system for train drivers in Great Britain. The TDLCR bring into force the requirements of European Commission Directive 2007/59/EC on the certification of train drivers. Minor changes were made by the Train Driving Licences and Certificates (Amendment) Regulations 2015 which brings into force European Commission Directive 2014/82/EU.

    A guide to TDLCR was published in November 2015.
    The Directives form part of the European Commission's plan to improve the efficiency and competitiveness of Europe's railways. The key objectives of both the Directives and TDLCR are to:

    • make it easier for cross-border rail services to operate;
    • create a more flexible labour market for train drivers;
    • introduce common standards of driver across Europe; and
    • increase public confidence in the rail system through the requirement for certain groups of train drivers to hold a licence.

    We are enforcing authority for the TDLCR and we will use the principles established in our HSWA enforcement policy statement to ensure compliance with these statutory requirements."
    http://orr.gov.uk/rail/licensing/tra...d-certificates

    A policy endorsed by the train driver's union ASLEF-
    https://www.aslef.org.uk/article.php?group_id=5072

    Why are trains still using drivers? Driverless trains exist on the DLR, why not the rest of the network?
    And when we leave the EU train drivers in the UK wil not be able to drive in an EU country.



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    Default Re: For the Brits: When will BREXIT referendum happen ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jericho View Post
    Threatened eh? as in not actually happened.
    Meanwhile, where do they stand on having a guard on the train?
    I suspect but I don't know; policy is probably to have nobody on board inc. the driver?
    Honestly, if we don't get away from this fucking madness I'm going to live in Colombia.



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    Default Re: For the Brits: When will BREXIT referendum happen ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stavros View Post
    And when we leave the EU train drivers in the UK wil not be able to drive in an EU country.
    Train drivers from the UK can't go to other countries to drive anyway, keep out of things you know absolutely zero about.



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    Default Re: For the Brits: When will BREXIT referendum happen ?

    Quote Originally Posted by peejaye View Post
    Train drivers from the UK can't go to other countries to drive anyway, keep out of things you know absolutely zero about.
    The whole point of the TDLCR is to standarize requirements across the EU, the assumption being that a qualified driver from England will, if he moves to Ireland, re-train to become familiar with signalling systems, and so forth, just as train drivers from Ireland -a member state of the EU- have moved to a part of the UK and re-trained. Indeed, even an English driver moving to Scotland needs to be re-trained to be familiar with signalling systems there, if what I have read is correct.

    Choosing not to go is not the same as not being able to, while the scarcity of train driving jobs on the continent makes this a remote possibility anyway -but it is now part of the EU system, though obviously not for much longer.

    How does a driver trained in England manage to get a Eurostar service from London to Paris? Or Brussels?



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    Default Re: For the Brits: When will BREXIT referendum happen ?

    Doe's our friends in Brussels have a bet on who can think of the most silliest rule proposals. Here's one for funeral directors. EU recommends a purple flashing beacon on hearses for safety purposes. Not very dignified for the family with that flashing.


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    Default Re: For the Brits: When will BREXIT referendum happen ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stavros View Post

    How does a driver trained in England manage to get a Eurostar service from London to Paris? Or Brussels?
    Eurostar is a different entity; Their drivers have to speak fluently the language(French or Flemish)then spend 6 months in that country where the 2nd language applies, 3 months with a family from outside the industry & 3 months with a railway family in that country, going to work with that driver observing and speaking only that language. Then comes their rule book etc....

    This is the only time UK drivers can work overseas, you'll just after take my word. It's something the EU will try & interfere with but will get absolutely nowhere! It's safety critical & that's that.



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    Default Re: For the Brits: When will BREXIT referendum happen ?

    Then we've got this fucking lunacy to contend with, at a cost of Zillions!
    A United States of Europe! How the fuck you Eurocrats sleep at night is a mystery? Meanwhile we hear today; 1 in 59 people currently living in London, one of the richest cities in the World, are homeless!

    http://publications.europa.eu/resour....0005.02/DOC_2



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    Default Re: For the Brits: When will BREXIT referendum happen ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom1964 View Post
    Doe's our friends in Brussels have a bet on who can think of the most silliest rule proposals. Here's one for funeral directors. EU recommends a purple flashing beacon on hearses for safety purposes. Not very dignified for the family with that flashing.
    The most disturbing fact about it is Tom; it's not April 1st! It's only going to get worse.



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